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I just stopped by the BlueCore Shooting Center in Lakewood and talked to 2 of the owners.
They told me that they are former Navy Seals and that they are expecting to open the doors on March 31st. They also told me that they were all firearms instructors and will offer CCW classes.
When I pulled up they were outside doing some woodworking ie making some counters or cabinets.
They seemed like good guys and are quite aware of the previous owners' reputation.
They also confirmed that they will not allow steel core ammo in order to preserve the range though long guns are cool.
I for one am psyched about it! [AR15]
Here's the info -
http://www.blucoreshootingcenter.com (http://www.blucoreshootingcenter.com/)
info@blucoreshootingcenter.com
7860 West Jewell Ave. Lakewood, CO 80232
303-988-5587
gnihcraes
03-02-2011, 22:18
I'll give them a shot when they open. Hopefully it can continue on a positive note from here on out.
To those wondering....that is the old Green Mountain Family Shooting Center......aka K2 shooting center before it was GMFSC.
that building can't seem to keep a range in it. and if they have the same people running it, the guy is hardly a navy seal. His son may have been ex-army but I highly doubt it because they questioned my sister showed them her Military ID for the discount, thinking she had faked it or something. No way to treat your customers. They were just some punk gun snob (you know the type) who think they knows best about everything. I visited it when it was GMFSC and was reloading my magazines and he snatched it out of my hand while I was in the range saying I was doing it un-safely and that next time he would kick me out of the range. He also kept bashing me for my choice in firearms (my XD), saying that if I am not shooting a 1911 I should not be shooting at all....Granted he was cracking a joke, but I didn't pay money to go and have him crack jokes while I'm putting lead down range.
However, since they are under new-new management I will be impressed. I strongly suggest supporting this range, because it is a great area for the SW Metro area, for those who don't want to venture to The Shootist in Englewood or further.
Anyone heading over there, let them know about the site and have them sign up. If they're decent they'll get a LOT of business from this group and a lot of good press.
And maybe offer us deals [UZI]
I told them that I would spread the word here, and told them about this forum.
They thought I was referring to AR15.com.
I made sure that they knew I was talking about this forum.
FireMoth
03-02-2011, 23:51
Hope they can keep it open.
From Foothills, to K2, to Green Mountain, that facility hasn't had a lot of luck
Does long gun = ar15? If so, I can't wait for them to open.
FireMoth
03-03-2011, 00:10
Facility when it was re built as K2 got (5) rifle points, seated only, 100yds with electronic target carriers. back stop was rated .50BMG, but they put a kybosh on the heavy iron when it changed hands to green mountain. don't know what the new guys are doing with it.
Its all subterranean, and though well ventilated, its LOUD. bring good ear pro for the rifle range.
GMFSC allowed ar15's if you were a "member". Members paid 120 a year, and only got 2 dollars off each range trip. The last owner decided to do that because some punk brought his ar15 there and rapid fired some rounds down range and ended up destroying some tracks.
but as firemoth said, their backstops were rated to .50bmg and said anything to that size was more than welcome. and yes, bring double hearing protection because you will need it. I wore ear plugs and electronic shooting ear muffs and still walked out with ringing ears.
all in all it is a really nice and clean facility, good lighting, up to date tracks with digital range read outs.
FireMoth
03-03-2011, 03:25
The previous failures had to do, in my opinion, with mismanaged and non existent retail operations.
Like movie theaters make money on concessions, ranges sell ammo, guns, supplies. K2 did ok, they just didn't know what their customer base wanted really, and didn't give them selves over run room on the facility.
GMFSC didn't have anything. range fees alone just cant support a business.
If they figure out what people want to buy, and have a good little guns hop upstairs, they can make it work. but it wont without.
GMFSC allowed ar15's if you were a "member".
I've taken my AR in there and they've never questioned me on being a "member" and that was right before they closed!
I hope this new management will do a good job. It's the only indoor range my wife likes!!!
ghettodub
03-03-2011, 09:54
I'm hopeful that this gets up and running and is a good place; i'm moving right down the street from there in a few weeks.
Does long gun = ar15? If so, I can't wait for them to open.
Yep- I specifically asked and they said that ARs were fine.
Just no steel core ammo.
Yep- I specifically asked and they said that ARs were fine.
Just no steel core ammo.
this is good news.
I've taken my AR in there and they've never questioned me on being a "member" and that was right before they closed!
I hope this new management will do a good job. It's the only indoor range my wife likes!!!
I tried to take mine there the week after christmas in 2009, and the guy said I had to purchase his membership....so I never went back. must've changed.
Glad to hear it's opening again, and under new owners. I may have to drop in and check it out. I went to GMFSC a few times, but their personalities and customer skills were seriously lacking. I also like to pick up my brass. Had a nice restroom at least.
I happened to be headed by there on the way home tonight and stopped in. Had an awesome conversation with one of the guys that will be running the shop, he should be posting this weekend with some additional information.
I'm looking forward to it opening. There are going to be some things that people won't like and will bitch about, but what don't we bitch about. Hell, ByteStryke started a thread on a new way to secure an AR (magwell lock) and his thread got torn all up! I'll be happy that there's a range in that area with good ventilation and a nice setup.
Anyways, look for more info soon. Told him to hit this site and arfcom hometown forum.
It will be nice to have it back open, as long as they don't staff it with dickheads and dykes like the last outfit did. I prefer to go to Ben Lomond, since I'm a member, but shooting indoors now and then is a nice option.
Mobat555
03-04-2011, 10:03
GMFSC allowed ar15's if you were a "member".
This is a testament to level of intelligence of the workers, since a month before closing I took a mosin to shoot an it was "A-Ok"!
SideShow Bob
03-04-2011, 23:07
If it turns out to be a decent indoor range, it'll be a nice short drive from Aurora once the SH 285 construction is done.
If it turns out to be a decent indoor range, it'll be a nice short drive from Aurora once the SH 285 construction is done.
there are closer ones to you, the shootist in englewood has a decently well kept shooting facility, and its discounted range fee is you buy their ammo. ventilation could be better (which is what I liked about the building this one will be in)
SideShow Bob
03-07-2011, 18:47
there are closer ones to you, the shootist in englewood has a decently well kept shooting facility, and its discounted range fee is you buy their ammo. ventilation could be better (which is what I liked about the building this one will be in)
Yes, there is also The Firing Line even closer, but neither allow rifles other than .22lr.
Yes, there is also The Firing Line even closer, but neither allow rifles other than .22lr.
Interesting, didn't know that. Although i've never shot my rifle at either of those indoor ranges. This particular facility is actually really nice on the inside.
I also had a conversation with one of the new owners a couple of months ago. He said that their company, BluCore, a security company, was always paying to bring clients to a range. So they decided it might not be a bad idea just to own one. They knew or met the woman that was the last owner and bought it from her. As I understand, they did not have any previous assoication with GMFSC.
He was telling me that they are opening up a full gun shop upstairs and having the entrance to the range be through the shop. They were redoing all the lighting in the range. They also had a company who specializes in ventilation for gun ranges come in and replace the entire ventilation system. He told me previously it was strictly a pull system, and they were changing it to a push-pull system to clear up the lead and smoke particles better.
He and I discussed the less than stellar reputation the range has had in the past and agreed that its important to show that things have changed. If I recall correctly, they hadn't set the range fees at that time, but were planning to lower them from the GMFSC fees.
I have high hopes for the range, not only because its just a couple of miles down the road from me. I'll update if/when I have any more info. I've been meaning to give the guy a call as I've got his card here somewhere. Maybe we can get a CO-AR15 day set up with them.
MuzzleFlash
03-09-2011, 16:24
Do they allow full auto in subgun calibers?
Maybe we can get a CO-AR15 day set up with them.
I'm down for that! Keep us posted[Beer]
DSB OUTDOORS
03-11-2011, 20:28
Count me in!! I've shot there every time they changed ownership. I still love the place. Even when they had the flooding problem!! Right before K2 took over. [Beer]
Mobat555
03-25-2011, 12:44
http://www.blucoreshootingcenter.com/
Website has been updated, but still no one answering the phones.
Pistol Range fees - $12 / hour ($9 / hour, Law Enforcement / Military/ Minors*/ Seniors)
Rifle Range fees - $24 / hour ($21 / hour, Law Enforcement / Military/ Minors*/ Seniors)
MONDAY: 12 pm - 8 pm
TUESDAY - FRIDAY: 10 am - 8 pm
SATURDAY : 9 am - 8 pm
SUNDAY: 10 am - 6 pm
After looking at the membership options I'll be keeping a closer eye on this. It's about time someone offered one that doesn't just give a discount on range fees. It will probably be worth a few more minutes in the car.
Mobat555
03-25-2011, 13:06
Deal Killer
The BluCore Shooting Center
There are 3 different ranges. We have a total of 12 pistol lanes and 5 rifle lanes. Both the pistol and rifle ranges feature Action Target brand targeting systems.
We require you to use our ammuntion in the pistol bays. You are allowed to use your own ammuntion in our rifle bay.
Bummer. Why do ranges do that? Like their ammo is better than ours. Goddamn lawyers.
Probably to help stay profitable.
Mobat555
03-25-2011, 13:25
Probably to help stay profitable.
Its why paintball fields do it, but thats a difference of $15-$20 per 2000.
Rather then $15-$20 per 100 for anyone shooting 45 ACP.
patrick0685
03-25-2011, 13:29
Its why paintball fields do it, but thats a difference of $15-$20 per 2000.
Rather then $15-$20 per 100 for anyone shooting 45 ACP.
where are you getting 45 that cheap
Mobat555
03-25-2011, 13:30
where are you getting 45 that cheap
LOL, my intent was to say you can save $20 buying your own 45 ACP, not that I am getting 100 for $20.
We require you to use our ammuntion in the pistol bays.
Looks like I'll take my business elsewhere...
Friggin LAME!
I read through their website, and I don't see that info... What am I missing?
never mind, I'm an idiot. I found it.
Byte Stryke
03-25-2011, 18:12
Probably to help stay profitable.
if you cannot stay profitable at $24/hr you need to buy cheaper crack.
I like the indoor rifle thing, but I can't justify 24 bucks an hour or even 250 bucks a year...
MuzzleFlash
03-26-2011, 00:19
I pay $70/yr for membership at CCCSC and they have walled in shooting positions to keep out of the weather. So I think I'll continue to drive to Idaho Springs.
If I need to go someplace local to shoot, I'll give Silver Bullet a spin. At least they let me shoot my handgun reloads.
Anyone want to start a pool to see how long this iteration of failed business models lasts?
The last place had their rates as "per hour" but only if it was busy enough to have a line. I was never there where it was so busy that we either had to pay extra, or leave our lane. I went back when they were good though.
blue core opens Thursday. Range visits are $12 bucks. Chatted with them today.
blue core opens Thursday. Range visits are $12 bucks. Chatted with them today.
Plus the cost of their ammo right?
High Altitude
03-27-2011, 10:29
If you have to buy their ammo and pay per hour, I won't go.
hurley842002
03-27-2011, 11:08
If you have to buy their ammo and pay per hour, I won't go.
They will likely find out rather quickly, if they only allow their ammo, and it's not reasonably priced, they aren't going to do so well. Also, like others have said, what if you want to shoot your personal defense ammo?
Plus the cost of their ammo right?
Didn't heat anything about that...
Didn't heat anything about that...
Page 3 last post.
If it's 12 bucks plus ammo, I might as well keep driving up to my place in the mountains...unless their ammo is super cheap.
And 24 bucks for rifle? I'm a starving student...forget that!
The only deal breaker here is if they allowed BP-but I know that's never happening at an indoor range. Oh well, the excitement was nice while it lasted. Too bad, too-it's only a few blocks from my place.
Page 3 last post.
got ya. I wasn't really following this thread, just swang by and talked with them since I live close by. Honestly, if you are using their own ammo and it is cheaper than walmart I see no problem with that. I always buy factory since I have no room to reload, and never really stockpile so meh.
They open Thursday so maybe I will go shoot some rounds down and see how it is.
If it's 12 bucks plus ammo, I might as well keep driving up to my place in the mountains...unless their ammo is super cheap.
And 24 bucks for rifle? I'm a starving student...forget that!
Basically. Hopefully they allow my Mosin to shoot steel core downrange =D
So essentially, if you handload and like to punch paper with wadcutters indoors where it's warm, dry, and not windy, they don't want ya there.....right? I'm assuming they'll insist you have to buy their .22 ammo also?
DeusExMachina
03-28-2011, 11:34
What if the ammo they sell doesn't work in your gun? Guaranteed lost customer.
What if the ammo they sell doesn't work in your gun? Guaranteed lost customer.
Or better yet, they same stuff you already have in your range bag[Dunno]
if they are selling a box of 50 9mm for less or right at $8, I would still go there.
have we confirmed you HAVE to use their ammo? like how the shootist give you a discount if you shoot their ammo, will they do the same and just pay the usual range fee to use yours?
Mobat555
03-28-2011, 14:55
have we confirmed you HAVE to use their ammo? like how the shootist give you a discount if you shoot their ammo, will they do the same and just pay the usual range fee to use yours?
It's on the updated website, second line:
We require you to use our ammuntion in the pistol bays. (http://www.blucoreshootingcenter.com/range.htm)
Every time I try and call, no one answers.
ghettodub
03-28-2011, 15:14
Lame, i'll just keep going to the Shootist, which is almost as close, and lax range rules, for pistol
I'll probably end up waiting a couple weeks to check it out thanks to that ammo rule. The only way I'll go there is if I get a membership since I don't want to deal with hourly rates. However, if the ammo is unreasonable I would have no reason to keep going there so I wouldn't go at all.
My big concerns are shooters with odd calibers. What if they're out of stock on something? Are you just out of luck that day? Is "their" ammo factory or remanufactured? I just can't see that lasting.
I was really looking forward to that membership program, too. I'd be back on a weekly schedule if that place works out. Although...if they let me hang a tennis ball on the range I might reconsider...
I'm just going to keep heading the Shootist for the time being and try to remember to buy $10 of ammo for the range discount.
I could see restrictions on steel core on the pistol ranges, but what are they gonna do when the guy with the .32 H&R Magnum wants to go ventilate some paper? .32 NAA? 9x18 Ultra?
If someone wants to shoot their .357 Maximum tungsten core ram buster silhouette ammo, they can go over to the rifle side, but don't make me buy "range special" .45 ACP that my gun may not like...
DeusExMachina
03-28-2011, 16:36
Most indoor ranges that let you shoot rifles do not allow steel core. Silver Bullet will take a magnet to your ammo to check this.
It's on the updated website, second line:
We require you to use our ammuntion in the pistol bays. (http://www.blucoreshootingcenter.com/range.htm)
Every time I try and call, no one answers.
I saw that right after I posted....weak.
will they let you collect brass?
It's on the updated website, second line:
We require you to use our ammuntion in the pistol bays. (http://www.blucoreshootingcenter.com/range.htm)
Every time I try and call, no one answers.
Actually, their Range Rules PDF seems take it one step further:
"No outside ammunition for pistol or tactical rifle use. Personal ammunition is
allowed for precision rifle shooting after it has been inspected"
Bummer. I know that for me personally, nearly every time I (and friends) go a range, we will use up the ammo we brought in and due to the excitement, end up purchasing more on site.
BTW -- new member, first post here because I was googling places to shoot around Boulder Co.
Never got around to checking out Left Hand Canyon before it was closed down, but from what I usually heard about it, it didn't same like a place more responsible shooters tended to gather anyway.
I did, however, check out Green Mountain Family Shooting center about a year ago to sight in my SU16CA. The guy monitoring the rifle lanes was pretty friendly but I recall the lady working there puffing her chest (so to speak) unnecessarily. And yeah, it was pretty loud in there!
If there's a place around Nederland that anybody knows about, I'd rather drive up there than the traffic to the Silver Bullet...
DoubleTap
03-30-2011, 18:34
If the business model is bad, they will fail or change. Their website is very good; they are remodeling or updating the range; they are offering creative training and seem to be the real deal re: ex-special forces with the goods. If you can come up with a better business model, let's talk and build it and take all the business. I plan on using them and maybe joining the club. I am really looking for a good outdoor range but the large amenable ones seem to be 2 hours outside of town. The park range near the tech center will suffice.
[UZI]
BD
the shootist isn't bad, and its pretty close (10-15min east of this location).
they open tomorrow, anyone want to be a guinea pig?
the shootist isn't bad, and its pretty close (10-15min east of this location).
they open tomorrow, anyone want to be a guinea pig?
I was going to head down there to check out the range and retail, but probably won't shoot. End of the month and all...
I'll post in this thread with what I find, but I'm sure I won't be the only active user there.
Please do. Getting smashed this weekend at my little brothers 21st birthday, so I won't be very sober to shoot a gun ;)
I am really looking for a good outdoor range but the large amenable ones seem to be 2 hours outside of town.
Not necessarily a bad thing. Keeps the rif-raff and yahoos away. Paid membership and a locked gate helps too, but morons are generally too lazy to drive that far and that long to go act like fools at a range. www.blgc.org
Daniel_187
03-31-2011, 09:46
I was looking on there website and was a little bummed, they want you to buy their ammo to use the pistol range and am willing to bet its not going to be cheap
StagLefty
03-31-2011, 10:08
While I kind of understand them trying to sell their ammo. It kind of defeats what most of us here try to do by either reloading or searching for ammo deals.That's keeping our shooting costs down,especially on range time. I guess I'm waiting to see what they're charging for ammo by someone who actually goes there.JMHO [Beer]
Daniel_187
03-31-2011, 11:54
While I kind of understand them trying to sell their ammo. It kind of defeats what most of us here try to do by either reloading or searching for ammo deals.That's keeping our shooting costs down,especially on range time. I guess I'm waiting to see what they're charging for ammo by someone who actually goes there.JMHO [Beer]
I agree 100%
While I kind of understand them trying to sell their ammo. It kind of defeats what most of us here try to do by either reloading or searching for ammo deals.That's keeping our shooting costs down,especially on range time. I guess I'm waiting to see what they're charging for ammo by someone who actually goes there.JMHO [Beer]
Well I just may be in a position to provide a report soon as it looks like I'll need to be sighting in a new Arsenal AK and I don't know of a better option for that particular task at this time.
Just saw this bit too -
• Firearms being transported to and from the facility must be secured inside a case
or holster (if holstered, your firearm needs to be clear and safe prior to entering.
• Loaded firearms are not allowed anywhere on the premises except inside the
shooting range and within the designated shooting areas (Exceptions for Law
Enforcement only).
So no going in to look at retail stuff with a CCW.
DeusExMachina
03-31-2011, 22:49
Firing Line has the same rule.
Only other place I'd seen that is in FL, where its the law. I guess we voluntarily give up our rights here.
I guess it's the same thing at a pistol match.
MuzzleFlash
04-01-2011, 00:07
If the business model is bad, they will fail or change. Their website is very good; they are remodeling or updating the range; they are offering creative training and seem to be the real deal re: ex-special forces with the goods ....
BD That's what I love about free enterprise. Losses are just as important as profits and as long as they're not getting taxpayer funded dollars I don't care if they require patrons to wear orange jump suits. I wish them no ill will, but I'll be damned if I'll set foot in the place with those stupid ammo policies and I don't need to pay $24 per hr for the privilege to shoot their expensive ammo. Silver Bullet is 20 minutes from my house. The CCCSC club range in Dumont is 45 minutes away and I can shoot there all day for gas money and ammo cost.
Just saw this bit too -
• Firearms being transported to and from the facility must be secured inside a case
or holster (if holstered, your firearm needs to be clear and safe prior to entering.
• Loaded firearms are not allowed anywhere on the premises except inside the
shooting range and within the designated shooting areas (Exceptions for Law
Enforcement only).
So no going in to look at retail stuff with a CCW.
so you can carrying your holstered gun into the range, but it has to be cleared and safe?
Byte Stryke
04-01-2011, 01:54
Firing Line has the same rule.
Only other place I'd seen that is in FL, where its the law. I guess we voluntarily give up our rights here.
and I will not shop there either.
Has anybody visited this place since it opened last Thursday?
Byte Stryke
04-02-2011, 19:40
Has anybody visited this place since it opened last Thursday?
nope... won't go either.
Just saw this bit too -
• Firearms being transported to and from the facility must be secured inside a case
or holster (if holstered, your firearm needs to be clear and safe prior to entering.
• Loaded firearms are not allowed anywhere on the premises except inside the
shooting range and within the designated shooting areas (Exceptions for Law
Enforcement only).
So no going in to look at retail stuff with a CCW.
I dont waive my rights to go shopping.
Are you guys kidding ? You can not go into shooting range without unloading you carry piece ?? Is there a huge "gun-free zone" sign on the front door[ROFL2]
I dont waive my rights to go shopping.
I guess you'll never do any competition shooting either then.
I guess you'll never do any competition shooting either then.
My thoughts exactly. Is it really that big of a deal? The range I worked at didn't allow any loaded guns (or for that matter one with a closed action) in the lobby unless you were a uniformed, on duty police officer. Never heard a single complaint.
I don't like that rule either, and probably wouldn't go there, but I'm not going to go so far as to say that you are surrendering your rights; because you're not.
gnihcraes
04-03-2011, 17:18
So Silver Bullet was packed today and there was an hour or more wait. I thought it was a good opportunity to check out Blue Core, so I drove down there. CLOSED! I figured they would be open on Sundays? Doesn't really say anywhere on their doors or windows that I could find.
Thought I give them a chance to show me around the range and ask questions, might have even bought some ammo and shot there, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
I also have to note, that if I must buy a box of ammo at whatever their retail price is, and 4 shooters on the range if I take the whole family, I'm looking at dropping $150 for a trip to the range. With my own ammo, that price drops significantly.
Hopefully they can get on here and offer up some New Customer discounts or something? (hint hint)
O'well, back to Silver Bullet, which turned out to be a great time.
Brought my wife to Silver Bullet yesterday where she shot for the first time ever (Armscor M1600 .22LR). They had said about an hour and half wait but I don't think we had to wait any more than 20 minutes. We had fun with our own targets and ammo and their ventilation seems better than the last time I was there.
So Silver Bullet was packed today and there was an hour or more wait. I thought it was a good opportunity to check out Blue Core, so I drove down there. CLOSED! I figured they would be open on Sundays? Doesn't really say anywhere on their doors or windows that I could find.
Thought I give them a chance to show me around the range and ask questions, might have even bought some ammo and shot there, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
I also have to note, that if I must buy a box of ammo at whatever their retail price is, and 4 shooters on the range if I take the whole family, I'm looking at dropping $150 for a trip to the range. With my own ammo, that price drops significantly.
Hopefully they can get on here and offer up some New Customer discounts or something? (hint hint)
O'well, back to Silver Bullet, which turned out to be a great time.
DSB OUTDOORS
04-03-2011, 17:50
Hopefully they can get on here and offer up some New Customer discounts or something? (hint hint)
Or we approach them as members of "COLORADO AR-15 SHOOTERS" and see if they can give us a members discount card or something?? [Beer]
What do you think Marlin?? [Tooth]
gnihcraes
04-03-2011, 17:58
Or we approach them as members of "COLORADO AR-15 SHOOTERS" and see if they can give us a members discount card or something?? [Beer]
What do you think Marlin?? [Tooth]
I'm not trying to run them out of business, just trying to get a reasonable price or perk to try out their range. Grand Opening type of thing?
[UZI]
DSB OUTDOORS
04-03-2011, 18:23
I'm not trying to run them out of business, just trying to get a reasonable price or perk to try out their range. Grand Opening type of thing?
[UZI]
I'm with ya man, but I think a CO AR-15 membership would be cool!! Just log in @ the range to show we are members and get a 3% discount or what ever? Every little bit helps. They would make a hell of a lot of money off of US if they would! Me especially. I can shoot where I live but only to an extent, don't want to piss off neighbors! [Tooth]
SuperiorDG
04-04-2011, 12:13
I don't like that rule either, and probably wouldn't go there, but I'm not going to go so far as to say that you are surrendering your rights; because you're not.
When it was Green Mountain they made me give up my concealed carry gun to go into the rifle range. Didn't make any since to me, but it was their property.
When it was Green Mountain they made me give up my concealed carry gun to go into the rifle range. Didn't make any since to me, but it was their property.
Yep I had to leave all pistols and pistol ammo with them up front to enter the rifle range.
Losermonkey
04-04-2011, 19:03
Firing Line has the same rule.
Only other place I'd seen that is in FL, where its the law. I guess we voluntarily give up our rights here.
Maybe a month or two ago I went to Firing line and asked what the best way to bring my pistol inside was if I didn't have my case. One of the guys said since I have my CCW I can have it "Locked and loaded as long as it remains concealed until I am on the range."
Then last week I went in with my 44 in a case, bought a box of range ammo, and had a box of .40 with me for my carry pistol. He never said anything about the .40 ammo or asked any questions.
When it was Green Mountain they made me give up my concealed carry gun to go into the rifle range. Didn't make any since to me, but it was their property.
I would have walked. Dumbest rule I've heard yet.
Stopped by today to see what the ammo prices were to go shoot on their range (my son's karate dojo is across the street). It appears that they aren't open yet. There is nothing in the display cases and tools and stuff everywhere.
I'll update when I see anything new.
MuzzleFlash
04-05-2011, 17:09
When it was Green Mountain they made me give up my concealed carry gun to go into the rifle range. Didn't make any since to me, but it was their property.
Yep I had to leave all pistols and pistol ammo with them up front to enter the rifle range.
There's a reason we speak of them in the past tense.
Mobat555
04-05-2011, 17:46
Stopped by today to see what the ammo prices were to go shoot on their range (my son's karate dojo is across the street). It appears that they aren't open yet. There is nothing in the display cases and tools and stuff everywhere.
I'll update when I see anything new.
I called yesterday and they said hopefully by the end of the week.
hmmm...said they'd be open 3/31 and still not open.
I had high hopes, but I see them failing soon.
hmmm...said they'd be open 3/31 and still not open.
I had high hopes, but I see them failing soon.
3/31 was likely just a target date (no pun intended) and delays can happen. I'm sure they'd rather be fully prepared to make the best first impression than open the doors too soon...
3/31 was likely just a target date (no pun intended) and delays can happen. I'm sure they'd rather be fully prepared to make the best first impression than open the doors too soon...
true, but even their websites business model doesn't give me high hopes.
sic_semper_tyrannis
04-09-2011, 15:10
Looks like the "range rules" page has been updated:
•You are required to purchase our ammo to shoot at our pistol range, in the following calibers: .9mm, 223, .357, .38, .380, .40, .44, .45, and 7.62x39
•You may function test and train with your self supplied, personal defense pistol ammunition, up to 1 box of 50 rounds.
•You may provide and shoot your personal ammunition on our rifle range, to include specific hunting loads and sight-in for AR style rifles.
• **All training and multiple magazine firing of all AR/Tactical style rifles will be conducted on our pistol range, and the shooter will be required to purchase and shoot our ammo.
So, I interpret this quite simply: You have to buy their ammo, even for .223, and apparently AR shooting will take place on the pistol range.
And here is their updated range rules:
•Firearms must be unloaded and cased unless on the firing line.(Exceptions for Law Enforcement)
•The range officer is in charge of the range at all times.
• Ear and eye protection must be worn at all times.
•No one is allowed in front of the firing line.
•Always point firearms downrange.
• Place targets at eye level.
•Do not shoot the floor or ceiling of the range.
•All rounds must impact the bullet trap / backstop.
•No rapid fire. (you must control the firearm)
•Drawing from the holster is prohibited, unless you have prior approval.
•Shooters under 18 must be accompanied by an adult.
•Food and drink are prohibited in the range.
•Smoking/smokeless tobacco is prohibited in the store and the range.
•Shell casings must be swept past the firing line.
•You may pick up your own brass.
•No private instruction of any kind is allowed on the premises.
I bolded the last two rules, as everything else is standard. This shows that you CAN collect your own brass. However, the "no private instruction" thing is somewhat disconcerting. So, if I bring a date to the range, am I not allowed to show her how to shoot? Am I going to have to pay some tactical ninja to give my girlfriend lessons? (This is rhetorical of course, because I wouldn't put up with that BS for a second).
Also, here is a gem of a quote I found on the main page:
"No other range in Denver brings this much real world and combat experience together in one facility. BluCore personnel have deployed to combat zones all over the world conducting operations against the most dangerous terrorists in the most extreme conditions."
That right there, coupled with the absurd ammo policy, tells me everything I need to know about this place. It sounds like a bunch of holier-than-thou Tactical Teds who have way too much ego to run an effective business. I'm sure they will sell plenty of Extreme Shock ammo there.
If I remember correctly, Green Mountain didn't allow rifles on the pistol lanes, so that would be a plus for the new crew.
As far as the no private training rule, I would guess that it's a similar rule that most gyms have and aimed at any kind of formal, "professional" instruction and not so much the "here baby keep your finger off the trigger and eye focused on the front post" informal date training and they probably worded the way they did to give themselves some flexibility with enforcing it.
I'm going to have a couple of rifles to sight-in soon and will most likely do it at BlueCore, so I'll reserve further judgment till I've checked it out in person.
Looks like the "range rules" page has been updated:
•You are required to purchase our ammo to shoot at our pistol range, in the following calibers: .9mm, 223, .357, .38, .380, .40, .44, .45, and 7.62x39
•You may function test and train with your self supplied, personal defense pistol ammunition, up to 1 box of 50 rounds.
•You may provide and shoot your personal ammunition on our rifle range, to include specific hunting loads and sight-in for AR style rifles.
• **All training and multiple magazine firing of all AR/Tactical style rifles will be conducted on our pistol range, and the shooter will be required to purchase and shoot our ammo.
So, I interpret this quite simply: You have to buy their ammo, even for .223, and apparently AR shooting will take place on the pistol range.
And here is their updated range rules:
•Firearms must be unloaded and cased unless on the firing line.(Exceptions for Law Enforcement)
•The range officer is in charge of the range at all times.
• Ear and eye protection must be worn at all times.
•No one is allowed in front of the firing line.
•Always point firearms downrange.
• Place targets at eye level.
•Do not shoot the floor or ceiling of the range.
•All rounds must impact the bullet trap / backstop.
•No rapid fire. (you must control the firearm)
•Drawing from the holster is prohibited, unless you have prior approval.
•Shooters under 18 must be accompanied by an adult.
•Food and drink are prohibited in the range.
•Smoking/smokeless tobacco is prohibited in the store and the range.
•Shell casings must be swept past the firing line.
•You may pick up your own brass.
•No private instruction of any kind is allowed on the premises.
I bolded the last two rules, as everything else is standard. This shows that you CAN collect your own brass. However, the "no private instruction" thing is somewhat disconcerting. So, if I bring a date to the range, am I not allowed to show her how to shoot? Am I going to have to pay some tactical ninja to give my girlfriend lessons? (This is rhetorical of course, because I wouldn't put up with that BS for a second).
Also, here is a gem of a quote I found on the main page:
"No other range in Denver brings this much real world and combat experience together in one facility. BluCore personnel have deployed to combat zones all over the world conducting operations against the most dangerous terrorists in the most extreme conditions."
That right there, coupled with the absurd ammo policy, tells me everything I need to know about this place. It sounds like a bunch of holier-than-thou Tactical Teds who have way too much ego to run an effective business. I'm sure they will sell plenty of Extreme Shock ammo there.
Totally agree with you here. Most likely, actually I won't use their range. Just stupid to have to buy their ammo...might as well have to buy their guns to shoot at their range!
any word on cost of ammo? i am buying all my own stuff still, and if they can beat walmart prices (9 a box of 9mm) then it might be worth it.
any word on cost of ammo? i am buying all my own stuff still, and if they can beat walmart prices (9 a box of 9mm) then it might be worth it.
No way in hell they can beat WalMart prices and make any money at all on any kind of ammo. WalMart buys literally TONS of ammo for all their stores and can get huge discounts. NFW one little gun range could come close to their price, IMO.
No way in hell they can beat WalMart prices and make any money at all on any kind of ammo. WalMart buys literally TONS of ammo for all their stores and can get huge discounts. NFW one little gun range could come close to their price, IMO.
unless they reload their own and sell it?
I only see their current business plan surviving for six months. Either they will shut down or they will adapt to more reasonable rules. There is no reason to have to buy their ammo (especially for $12/24 an hour) or to have to pay $12/24 per hour. The only benefit they have over other ranges is the rifle range, but that won't justify their pricing model.
I'll wait it out. I could justify 24 bucks for the day if I can bring my own ammo.
jscwerve
04-10-2011, 12:56
Guess I will jsut continue to go to the south site for $20 in gas. When I'm shooting rifle it is typically for hunting or sighting in, for that I load my own for what works best for MY gun. It does me no good whatsoever to go to a range where I can shoot rifle, yet not work up my own reloads.
As far as pistol, I am quite positive they can't beat my per round cost of my own, and I'm sure as hell not buying someone elses reloads (if they sold them).
I was excited to try them out since I move to the west side of town, nowI think I will just have to pass.
ChunkyMonkey
04-10-2011, 16:23
When I'm shooting rifle it is typically for hunting or sighting in,
What kind of nonsense is that? I shoot to exercise my flexion. [Tooth]
scottyd223
04-10-2011, 18:44
So I'm loving the idea of this range being handled by some shooter friendly people. I have gone elsewhere even though it is just blocks from my home because of the pricing and previous customer service. After reading the entries here, I stopped by to see what the ammo prices were before spouting off about "I'll never shoot there because I reload" and such.
Seems quite reasonable... a box of 9mm, for example was $13.99. They buy it for $12.99 (HSM) so they aren't looking to make a fortune by gouging you on ammo pricing. .40 caliber was a buck more I think. So, factor in the 5% discount for members buying ammo and they are going to make a whopping quarter on each and every box of 50 rounds.
For me, I'm sold. Great location, excellent facility, and my conversation with Eric - one of the primaries - tells me that they are definitely trying to do this right. He even mentioned that they may modify their policy in the future depending on how it goes for people but clearly, at this point, it is more of a safety issue since YOU (whomever you may be reading this) might be an excellent reloader but some people just aren't.
I for one highly recommend the local shooting community give these guys a try - they could become one of our best options to shoot around here if we treat them well and they seem both friendly and quite sharp to me. I will do what I can to help them succeed because they seem to be getting it right as far as I can tell.
DeusExMachina
04-10-2011, 18:59
No offense, but I'm sure it's great for shooters that don't know or don't care. I'm not going to pay $14 for a box of ammo I have stockpiles of for $9-10 a box.
Also, I want to shoot 147gr 9mm. Am I just SOL?
Nothing anyone can say can change how stupid this policy is.
sneakerd
04-10-2011, 19:33
I agree with Deus. The only reason I am able to put as many rounds downrange a month as I do (about 1,000) is because I buy it in bulk and me and my buds watch for deals. Paying high retail at the range for ammo I have in my garage that I paid wholesale for will only decrease my range time and irritate me and cause me to shoot like shit and grumble about it. [BooHoo]
Guess I will jsut continue to go to the south site for $20 in gas. When I'm shooting rifle it is typically for hunting or sighting in, for that I load my own for what works best for MY gun. It does me no good whatsoever to go to a range where I can shoot rifle, yet not work up my own reloads.
As far as pistol, I am quite positive they can't beat my per round cost of my own, and I'm sure as hell not buying someone elses reloads (if they sold them).
I was excited to try them out since I move to the west side of town, nowI think I will just have to pass.
Silver bullet sells their reloads... suspect to me
So I'm loving the idea of this range being handled by some shooter friendly people. I have gone elsewhere even though it is just blocks from my home because of the pricing and previous customer service. After reading the entries here, I stopped by to see what the ammo prices were before spouting off about "I'll never shoot there because I reload" and such.
Seems quite reasonable... a box of 9mm, for example was $13.99. They buy it for $12.99 (HSM) so they aren't looking to make a fortune by gouging you on ammo pricing. .40 caliber was a buck more I think. So, factor in the 5% discount for members buying ammo and they are going to make a whopping quarter on each and every box of 50 rounds.
For me, I'm sold. Great location, excellent facility, and my conversation with Eric - one of the primaries - tells me that they are definitely trying to do this right. He even mentioned that they may modify their policy in the future depending on how it goes for people but clearly, at this point, it is more of a safety issue since YOU (whomever you may be reading this) might be an excellent reloader but some people just aren't.
I for one highly recommend the local shooting community give these guys a try - they could become one of our best options to shoot around here if we treat them well and they seem both friendly and quite sharp to me. I will do what I can to help them succeed because they seem to be getting it right as far as I can tell.
first post- also suspect to me, didn't think this place was open yet so you must have the inside scoop?
Byte Stryke
04-11-2011, 05:43
Seems quite reasonable... a box of 9mm, for example was $13.99. They buy it for $12.99 (HSM) so they aren't looking to make a fortune by gouging you on ammo pricing. .40 caliber was a buck more I think. So, factor in the 5% discount for members buying ammo and they are going to make a whopping quarter on each and every box of 50 rounds.
how do you factor is that if I Give you a large lump of cash for a membership, that the 5% somehow becomes solvent?
pay me here or pay me there.
I understand each and every range has the right to make their rules as they wish them.
Just as it is my right to go tell those ranges to piss up a rope and not visit them.
I won't be forced to be retail range ammo simply to shoot your range.
you want to drip a magnet on it, I understand that.
But squeezing me to practice with crap ammo to make you money is not going to work.
bellavite1
04-11-2011, 07:10
[quote=rammit;335517]Silver bullet sells their reloads... suspect to me
True, but we do not force you to buy them.
As long as your ammo meets the specs (no steel or alluminum case, no steel core in the bullet), you are more than welcome to bring your own, reload of factory.
And the ammo for sale is not our reloads, it is Ten X.
n8tive97
04-11-2011, 07:30
Stopped by Blu Core yesterday to shoot my new M&P 9mm Compact and my new Springfield XD.45 ACP. The 9mm ammo was comparable to every where you can purchase ammo. The .45 ACP was high, I bought it 7 dollars per hundred cheaper Saturday. Both guns shot the ammo without one issue.
To me, its a better option than spending $9 bucks to get in a State Park, then $25 to stand in line to shoot and have some jack ass in your face yelling at everyone all day. No to mention if your not standing in front of the man making the reservations, you will get passed up.
Cherry Creek - $34 just to shoot + $34 for 2 boxes of ammo, wait an hour to shoot to spend an hour shooting plus an hour and a half of drive time, jack ass yelling, stop to change targets and then listen to the jack ass give the shooting instructions all over again! = SUCKS
Blu Core - $12 to shoot + $36 for 2 boxes of ammo, get right on the range, powered targets, clean, friendly and fast, 40 minutes of drive time = Much better option
I would still rather join a club that has all ranges as an option, pistol, rifle, skeet and archery, but there is a 2 year waiting list for any of them within 25 miles of Denver.
My two cents.
I would still rather join a club that has all ranges as an option, pistol, rifle, skeet and archery, but there is a 2 year waiting list for any of them within 25 miles of Denver.
No waiting at BLGC, but it's a drive for ya, that's for sure. Great place, but you'd need to plan a full day of shooting fun. You can camp there too. Membership is well worth it if you can make the time to go there and use it.
DeusExMachina
04-11-2011, 08:11
You don't know where to buy 9mm, then. Factory (non reload) 9mm is $9-10.50 per 50.
There are at least 3 better indoor pistol ranges in the area over Cherry Creek. One of which is maybe 10 minutes from there. $15 to shoot + your own ammo.
Cherry Creek only makes sense if you're entering with a group, get in the park free or really want to shoot rifle and shotgun without driving an hour.
n8tive97
04-11-2011, 08:22
[quote=DeusExMachina;335578]You don't know where to buy 9mm, then. Factory (non reload) 9mm is $9-10.50 per 50.
Where? Help a member out!
There are at least 3 better indoor pistol ranges in the area over Cherry Creek. One of which is maybe 10 minutes from there. $15 to shoot + your own ammo.
Where at?
* Shoot me a PM if you dont want to post, I would be forever thankful!
MuzzleFlash
04-11-2011, 09:40
... a box of 9mm, for example was $13.99....
I shoot 9mm subguns (which they probably won't allow anyhow). I can load 50 rounds for around half that price. It wouldn't be unusual at all for me to go through 300 rounds in an hour on the range. So that's an extra $42 and I don't get to keep the brass. No way, José.
If they're not making good coin on the ammo, then why require it? If they're worried about the backstop, maybe they should implement a Silver Bullet type policy and prohibit steel core. If they don't want to sort brass, then prohibit aluminum and steel cases.
Daniel_187
04-11-2011, 09:44
+1. I have a few boxes at home that I picked up at the fun show for cheap and it was all mixed brass.
DeusExMachina
04-11-2011, 10:01
I shoot 9mm subguns (which they probably won't allow anyhow). I can load 50 rounds for around half that price. It wouldn't be unusual at all for me to go through 300 rounds in an hour on the range. So that's an extra $42 and I don't get to keep the brass. No way, José.
If they're not making good coin on the ammo, then why require it? If they're worried about the backstop, maybe they should implement a Silver Bullet type policy and prohibit steel core. If they don't want to sort brass, then prohibit aluminum and steel cases.
You should post your collection. [Tooth]
DeusExMachina
04-11-2011, 10:07
[quote=DeusExMachina;335578]You don't know where to buy 9mm, then. Factory (non reload) 9mm is $9-10.50 per 50.
Where? Help a member out!
There are at least 3 better indoor pistol ranges in the area over Cherry Creek. One of which is maybe 10 minutes from there. $15 to shoot + your own ammo.
Where at?
* Shoot me a PM if you dont want to post, I would be forever thankful!
Walmart. Its the only reason I go there (and, apparently rope lights for the safe too!) You can get steel cased Tula for $9ish and I buy brass cased Federal 115gr FMJ for $10.50.
Since I'm carrying 147gr RA9T and getting into suppressors, I'm going to buy some American Eagle 147gr FMJ which translates to about the same price including shipping from sgammo.com
Firing Line is OK as long as you don't go on a Sunday afternoon or are sensitive about being mistreated by weary employees, or you aren't a dick (if you're not nice to them, they will not be nice to you). The Shootist (opposite side of Denver) isn't so great in the ventilation department but charge I think $17 if you use your own ammo, cheaper if you use theirs. They are usually less busy and have relaxed rules. Silver Bullet is pretty good, on the north side of Denver.
I don't know where you live, but if you're close to BluCore, Silver Bullet is pretty nearby. If you live near Cherry Creek, Firing Line is close. If you're in Littleton, Shootist is close. Silver Bullet even lets you shoot (25 yard) rifle.
None of the above have dumb ammo rules or time limits.
I would still rather join a club that has all ranges as an option, pistol, rifle, skeet and archery, but there is a 2 year waiting list for any of them within 25 miles of Denver.
My two cents.
Golden Gun Club (http://www.goldengunclub.com/) is still taking members, no waiting list.
As far as BluCore, I'm not going there. The ammo thing and the CCW thing are deal breakers for me. The private instruction thing, depending on what that really means, is also a no go for me. I have brought a number of friends and family that were first time shooters out to the ranges, and if I can't teach them safety and basic skills there, then I'm not going.
I'm giving serious consideration to either sending them an e-mail or calling them with my opinion on these issues. I would really like them to succeed, but they will have to make it convenient for me if they want my business.
ChunkyMonkey
04-11-2011, 12:34
but there is a 2 year waiting list for any of them within 25 miles of Denver.
My two cents.
Golden, kiowa, and one north of DIA.. none of them have 2 year waiting list. They are all within 1/2 hour of denver downtown.
Golden Gun Club (http://www.goldengunclub.com/) is still taking members, no waiting list.
As far as BluCore, I'm not going there. The ammo thing and the CCW thing are deal breakers for me. The private instruction thing, depending on what that really means, is also a no go for me. I have brought a number of friends and family that were first time shooters out to the ranges, and if I can't teach them safety and basic skills there, then I'm not going.
I'm giving serious consideration to either sending them an e-mail or calling them with my opinion on these issues. I would really like them to succeed, but they will have to make it convenient for me if they want my business.
Thanks for mentioning the Golden Gun Glub, Storm. It's outdoors and even closer than the Lead Valley range, which I was considering. Indoor ranges have really gotten old for me, so I'll definitely be looking into this place too.
I dropped in yesterday.
One of the owners gave me a tour of the facility- it is very nice. He told me the ventilation system replaces the air in the handgun range every 90 seconds.
We talked about ammo, fees and options that locals have. He explained his views on the ammo situation, with liability of using improper handloads an issue.
He also said they are constantly evaluating policies.
I think if more folks went by and told them their views they would definitely listen.
I also told him about this forum and suggested that they consider a "discount" for the members here, maybe after joining this forum and becoming an "Industry Partner". He said he would consider it.
So I walked away with a good feeling about the place, but in my mind I'm not liking the $20 club fee on top of ammo you have to buy.
The handgun range was almost full though....
was their ammo stuff they reloaded? or factory ammo? if its the same price as walmart, i'll continue to just drive into the mountains for less than $12 bucks in gas.
Well...so far Blue Core doesn't have promising results. If a range REQUIRES that I shoot their ammo, I won't be going there...period. I reload to save money and shoot more often. I don't pay high $$$ range fees with a ton of restrictions attached to them. As another user posted, I'll just put $15 in my gas tank and drive to a free outdoor range to shoot. I am glad this forum has been active, so now I don't waste my time or $$$ going to this place. [Censor] them.
AirbornePathogen
04-11-2011, 17:02
Absolutely. 24 bucks to shoot my "tactical rifle" and I have to buy their ammo? And I can't carry concealed on the premises? Screw them. My new place is only a couple-three miles from the Shootist anyway.
Yeah, they really need to sign up here and discuss this with the membership, or at least read these comments. Nothing like going into business with your head firmly up your ass and a "my way or the highway" attitude. There may be legal reasons for this nonsense, but they need to state their case.
The fear of bad reloads is ridiculous. Each bay has walls between it. The only person who should be getting hurt is the shooter, or the person standing over their shoulder. If something goes wrong with reloaded ammo, then ALL the liability falls to the person who reloaded the ammo. Requiring that people purchase ammo from them, only guarantees that they'll be wrapped up into a lawsuit should anything happen.
In reality, a good lawyer will sue everyone that they can anyway, but that is besides the point. Also, their insurance company could require them to force customers to purchase in store ammo. If that is the case though, then they need to shop for a new policy.
Thanks for mentioning the Golden Gun Glub, Storm. It's outdoors and even closer than the Lead Valley range, which I was considering. Indoor ranges have really gotten old for me, so I'll definitely be looking into this place too.
You're Welcome.
It's a nice place to shoot. Up to a 500yd rifle range and a lot of shooting points (75 points, IIRC). While being safe, the rules still pretty loose out there, at least with respect to some places. If you can make it out on a day without a match it's really nice. There's a few people out there but it's usually not crowded.
If you're not familiar with the layout of the range, there's a satellite map (google) of the range on the website.
Mobat555
04-12-2011, 18:39
FYI 100 yard rifle range will not be open for another 6 weeks.
I missed this when I went over tonight, thus I didn't shoot.
ldmaster
04-12-2011, 21:03
I'm just thinking...
Someone gets injured, bad load, or whatever.
I don't think they are going to like what a jury will do to them when it can be shown that they buy ammo based on price and REQUIRE people using their range to shoot their ammo.
I'm just guessing, but this has got to be a profit thing. They might say it's to reduce the chance or problems associated with ammo, but that's such hogwash it doesn't bear repeating.
I don't see them staying in business very long with this policy, unless they have super low ammo prices.
I can see requiring range ammo for "tactical rifle" on the pistol range. My guess is their .223 tactical range ammo is loaded with frangible bullets to minimize the chances of damage to the backstop or ricochet. Otherwise, unless they are very competitive on pricing, IMO they should allow any commercial ammo on the range (excepting perhaps steel core).
FYI 100 yard rifle range will not be open for another 6 weeks.
I missed this when I went over tonight, thus I didn't shoot.
Thanks for saving me a drive today. The quest to check my rifle's zero continues.
Thanks for saving me a drive today. The quest to check my rifle's zero continues.
Same here. That's what I was looking forward to doing soon.
DeusExMachina
04-13-2011, 19:07
It's about the only use Cherry Creek has to me. Maybe check out that public range in Dillon?
any word on cost of ammo? i am buying all my own stuff still, and if they can beat walmart prices (9 a box of 9mm) then it might be worth it.
First post. Thanks for all the information that I've gotten from this site so far. Stopped by Blucore yesterday. Pistol range is much cleaner than previous Owners. The staff is really friendly.
50 rds .40 185gr= $14.99
50 rds .357 sig 125gr = $25.99
Ammo was HSM remanufactured. They do have "premimum" ammo, but I didn't ask what that was.
So, they aren't trying to make their profit on ammo. Since the range fee for the pistol bays is only $12 (cheaper than the shootist) and the place is close to me I will go back. Heck, with the price of gas I'm not sure its worth driving to find a place to shoot my reloads. At least i can pick up my brass and save it for a rainy day.
Byte Stryke
04-15-2011, 17:37
First post. Thanks for all the information that I've gotten from this site so far. Stopped by Blucore yesterday. Pistol range is much cleaner than previous Owners. The staff is really friendly.
50 rds .40 185gr= $14.99
50 rds .357 sig 125gr = $25.99
Ammo was HSM remanufactured. They do have "premimum" ammo, but I didn't ask what that was.
So, they aren't trying to make their profit on ammo. Since the range fee for the pistol bays is only $12 (cheaper than the shootist) and the place is close to me I will go back. Heck, with the price of gas I'm not sure its worth driving to find a place to shoot my reloads. At least i can pick up my brass and save it for a rainy day.
Straw, Glass or did you just go straight from the Pitcher?
[ROFL1]
Thought I would at least share the ammo prices....
50 rds .40 185gr= $14.99
50 rds .357 sig 125gr = $25.99
Ammo was HSM remanufactured. They do have "premimum" ammo, but I didn't ask what that was.
Jason,
Thanks for the info.
While the prices aren't horrible, I'm not shooting someone elses remanufactured ammo through my guns. If I reload, yea. It's my stuff and my choice, but I'm not going to void my the warranty on one of my guns by basically shooting someone else's reloads.
This is still a no go for me.
watergun
04-17-2011, 15:09
Here is the scoop, when the range was K2 it started out decent. They had a good crew of guys working in there who had good customer service and were knowledgeable. The owner and the manager at the time were good guys as well. Just to make things clear there was an old man who was the owners father and claimed to be the owner, nothing was further from the truth. He was a nuisance, and a danger to the customers with his loaded pistol.
However, the owner in my opinion and judging by what was said to us on a daily basis was, he was in over his head on the money spent to bring that range up to speed after foothills shooting center was bought out, roughly (1.8 million). Then the manager quit (or got fired, I don't remember) because he was telling the customers lies about what we could provide as product when we were not even set up as dealers with these companies and the owner tried to do the right thing and take care of the customers and ended up having to become stocking dealers with a lot of these companies that require large minimum orders. Because of this I believe this act of trying to take care of the customer used up any extra money to promote K2.
The owner then hired a new manager (a female), and this was the beginning of the end. She supposedly managed the store by day and taught martial arts by night in the same location. She is one of the reasons K2 ultimately failed and the crew quit, left or got fired because of her abrasive personality and lack of knowledge when it came to firearms. Those who had exposure to her would know. K2 ended up having the wrong type of firearms for sale (mostly hunting rifles) and did not have enough of the evil black rifle flavor due to the old manager ordering what ever he wanted and not thinking about the business as a whole. In addition, the first manager, after being fired (or quitting) disappeared with some of the inventory and BATFE was called to have an audit done because the FFL was handled poorly when it came to keeping records & firearms came up missing.
This brings us to Green Mountain Family Shooting Center. The previous owner of K2 closed the business and left to pursue other endeavors. the owners Father however knew of a wealthy individual that he claimed was a personal friend and talked that individual into buying the range. Unfortunately, this person who bought the range outright from the bank trusted the former K2 owners father and the people that they hired, which were previous customers of K2, to run just the range since they did not posses an FFL.
The previous owners father claimed he was the owner of GMFSC and when the person who purchased the range found out he was making these claims, he had to be forcibly removed from the premises by Lakewood P.D. The idiots that were running the range were stealing from the owner who purchased GMFSC and had no experience or knowledge on how to treat customers, run a safe range, or even shoot. I am speaking from personal experience with these employees, and had a less than favorable time when I tried to go and shoot when it was GMFSC. Because of the employees of GMFSC and their actions which the owner was unaware of until recently, it was shut down, sold and bought by Blue Core Shooting Center.
This brings me to my point, I went in there today and talked with the new owners running the range. These guys are the real deal and are who they say they are. They are quiet professionals, they are courteous and know what they are doing. Lets give these guy's a clean slate and give them our business now that we know the history of K2 & GMFSC and why these particular business before them failed.
This is the inside scoop, I left out names on purpose, those who were customers at K2 know. And as for the employees at GMFSC, there names are not worth remembering.
High Altitude
04-17-2011, 18:47
I have no doubt the new owners are stand up guys but IMHO in order for a range like this to be successful it needs to be flexible and have multiple profit centers to draw upon like training/classes/shooting comps/gunsmithing/retail sales etc.....
No per hour charges, no only use our ammo, no no drawing from holsters allowed, no rapid fire etc...... I am not saying that they have all these type of rules, I am only listing rules that turn people away.
The last thing I want to do is stand there making a pile of brass from ammo that I bought from the range target shooting. I want to be able to use my ammo that I have either bought or reloaded and actually get in some practice/training.
Here is the scoop, (snip)................
watergun
04-17-2011, 22:59
I understand, they must be listening to the feedback they are getting from everybody, because I went in there today and they said it was $12hr. if you bought their ammo and $16hr if you bring your own ( no WOLF ammo or steel core). They also said they will be opening up the upstairs for retail sales and that they have multiple classes being put together, anything from basic NRA to advanced tactics. Also, the rifle range will be open in approx. 6 weeks
Unfortunately, at K2 we used to allow reloads, until one day two middle aged men came in shooting a S&W .357 with their reloads and after about 15 minutes of shooting they blew the gun literally in half and pieces flew out the back of the stall. The cylinder split in two and blew the top of the frame off. We ended up using the gun in a training class and had to tell everyone no reloads on the range. It only takes one idiot to ruin it for everyone, i.e. rapid fire and drawing from the holster as well. BTW they said at the bottom of their range rules that drawing from the holster is a possibility if you have the approval from one of the staff members.
Chad4000
04-17-2011, 23:25
And I'm sure to be"qualified"you'll have to take one of their classes lol
Guess we'll see. I'd love to see the place thrive. I went to GMFSC a few times, and it could have been a nice place but for the staff. Even my grandson didn't like it. I still think these new owners need to come around here so we can get to know them, and them us. That would benefit everyone concerned, the members here could be a decent piece of their customer base.
I told the owners about this forum, invited them to join. I also told them to contact Marlin if they were considering being a vendor here.
I understand, they must be listening to the feedback they are getting from everybody, because I went in there today and they said it was $12hr. if you bought their ammo and $16hr if you bring your own
They aren't listening here if they are still charging by the hour...
I can justify $12(16) for an indoor range to shoot for the day (couple hours, usually).
I can justify $24 for an indoor rifle range so I can eliminate the elements.
I can't justify 48, 72, 96 to shoot for a couple of hours...
They aren't listening here if they are still charging by the hour...
I can justify $12(16) for an indoor range to shoot for the day (couple hours, usually).
I can justify $24 for an indoor rifle range so I can eliminate the elements.
I can't justify 48, 72, 96 to shoot for a couple of hours...
Yeah, I can agree with this. I don't want to be hindered with a "parking meter" in my stall. If there's people waiting, I could understand, but if not, leave me alone and I'll leave when I'm done. I can't stand to stay in an indoor range for long anyway, between the smoke and the constant pressure of the earmuffs squeezing my gourd. If I could take the muffs off for a break now and then, that would be different.
Eric from BlueCore was a guest on KHOW's Caplis and Silverman this afternoon. Only caught the tail end of the segment, but he was commenting on the recent Cherry Creek Mall kidnapping before it wrapped up.
watergun
04-18-2011, 18:27
I understand, they must be listening to the feedback they are getting from everybody, because I went in there today and they said it was $12hr. if you bought their ammo and $16hr if you bring your own ( no WOLF ammo or steel core).
Sorry I wasn't clear, I was commenting on the ammo situation and them letting us use our own ammo. The price per hour still sucks. It looks like if you want to save money a membership is the way to go (which I am guessing is part of their marketing plan to recoup the initial investment).
GMFCS charged by the hour, but I never once paid for more than one hour. They also let me shoot all the rental guns I wanted, for the price of only one. That was back before it went down hill though.
Mobat555
04-18-2011, 19:08
Sorry I wasn't clear, I was commenting on the ammo situation and them letting us use our own ammo.
Happy to see positive changes already.
GMFCS charged by the hour, but I never once paid for more than one hour. They also let me shoot all the rental guns I wanted, for the price of only one. That was back before it went down hill though.
Bluecore allows you to shoot any (all) of their rental guns for a single fee. If the range is empty, they are not going to chase you out after one hour. I haven't been back since they have updated their ammo policy. I'll probably go in sometime this week and report anythig new.
I think it is important for a business to have strict rules in writing for when they need to implement them, and then go easy on the rules.
I think it is important for a business to have strict rules in writing for when they need to implement them, and then go easy on the rules.
Well said.
sneakerd
04-18-2011, 20:55
Wow- excellent point by Irving. Never thought of it that way.
I think it is important for a business to have strict rules in writing for when they need to implement them, and then go easy on the rules.
Exactly. That way management can aim for as much flexibility as possible for the best all-around customer experience, but whip out the hard rules for instances where customers are clearly taking advantage of this discretion and/or fostering an unsafe environment or simply optimize the experience when things get busy.
I think it is important for a business to have strict rules in writing for when they need to implement them, and then go easy on the rules.
No way. That leads to confusion. I would wonder what the rules are if I see the written rules and then see someone not following the rules. There are no rules if they aren't always enforced. The exceptions have to be in writing in the rules.
GMFSC always told me that the hourly rate would never apply unless there was a line. That way, I knew before hand that there was always the possibility that I could be asked to leave if it got crowded.
You obviously can't bend the rules for some people, in front of the same people that you aren't bending the rules for. Can't have a big sign that says, "No drawing from a holster. No matter what. Ever." Then having a guy drawing from a holster. Quick way to lose business. At the same time, you have to be able to concede at certain times. Being too rigid with the rules can end up in the same place as no or not enough rules.
I suspect that the successful running of a business requires a certain finesse, that not everyone has. If it was as easy as setting up the right rules, then everyone could do it and whatever percent of small businesses wouldn't fail every year. We all know that you can't please everyone. Hopefully, you can conduct your business in such a way that the majority of your customers think they are being pleased.
And all that, is exactly why I'm not in business for myself. Among other things. :)
No way. That leads to confusion. I would wonder what the rules are if I see the written rules and then see someone not following the rules. There are no rules if they aren't always enforced. The exceptions have to be in writing in the rules.
Thus enters the term "Range Nazi". Nothing wrong with extending the customers' time if it doesn't affect any others waiting. Most people enjoy a little slack on things like this....couple extra revs on the ferris wheel, few more minutes on the horse, couple more laps in the go-kart, etc. If there's nobody waiting, WTFN?
Anyway, who can tolerate two full hours of standing in a stall and blasting away, without a break or taking the muffs off? I sure couldn't anyway.
UberTong
04-21-2011, 09:32
Just had my first customer service experience with BlueCore. Called in looking for Stag Arms products, was interrupted by the guy on the other end just saying 'nooope'. Ok, do you sell Stag at all? Nope.
Awkward silence, no offer to try this or that AR. I guess nobody wants my money here. I'm so tired of the 'gun store guy' being a dick.
Just had my first customer service experience with BlueCore. Called in looking for Stag Arms products, was interrupted by the guy on the other end just saying 'nooope'. Ok, do you sell Stag at all? Nope.
Awkward silence, no offer to try this or that AR. I guess nobody wants my money here. I'm so tired of the 'gun store guy' being a dick.
Funny you mention the "gun store guy" because there's definitely a gun store version of "The Comic Book Guy" except instead of being a sarcastic-take-it-or-leave-it-know-it-all the gun store guy is a grumpy-take-it-or-leave-it-know-very-little. However, since I don't have personal experience with the BlueCore staff yet, I don't mean to imply this applies to them -- just speaking generally.
But yeah, when you inquire about a particular product and it's not available, you expect the employee to follow up with other options, not the "nope" followed by the awkward silence. You might as well have asked if you could borrow the keys to the guy's car.
Mobat555
04-21-2011, 10:09
Just had my first customer service experience with BlueCore. Called in looking for Stag Arms products, was interrupted by the guy on the other end just saying 'nooope'. Ok, do you sell Stag at all? Nope.
Awkward silence, no offer to try this or that AR. I guess nobody wants my money here. I'm so tired of the 'gun store guy' being a dick.
To think all it would have taken was him saying "Our retail portion of the store is not open yet so we are not currently carrying and firearms for sale at this time"
[Luck]
UberTong
04-21-2011, 10:14
To think all it would have taken was him saying "Our retail portion of the store is not open yet so we are not currently carrying and firearms for sale at this time"
[Luck]
My feeling exactly, I swear some of these guys thrive on opportunities to belittle the customer and push business away.
Back in my corporate days, one of my duties was to educate sales people on the use of semantics. Instead of saying "We would have to special order that..." saying "We don't currently have one of those, but I'd be happy to get one for you..." turns a negative into a positive. Likewise "Nope, we don't carry that." could be replaced by "We don't currently offer that particular item; Is there an alternative you might be interested in?", or "We don't carry that particular brand, but we have XXXX available, let me check if they have something similar..."
The same information is communicated, but the tone is very different afterwards. A smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from the mistakes of others...
SuperiorDG
04-21-2011, 11:02
I think you folks are being a little hard on these guys. I went by a week or so ago and talk to one of the owners. He just retied after 20 some years as a SEAL. I don't think they have too many sales training or customer serves classes in that branch of the military. These guys just seem to me to be good old boys that have retied after serving our country and are now doing what they love. Give the guys a chance and maybe go by and talk to them as people new to the business world who also love to play with guns.
UberTong
04-21-2011, 12:18
I think you folks are being a little hard on these guys. I went by a week or so ago and talk to one of the owners. He just retied after 20 some years as a SEAL. I don't think they have too many sales training or customer serves classes in that branch of the military. These guys just seem to me to be good old boys that have retied after serving our country and are now doing what they love. Give the guys a chance and maybe go by and talk to them as people new to the business world who also love to play with guns.
I respect the guys for everything they did for our country. I will shake their hands, look them in the eye and thank them from the bottom of my soul. But that doesn't mean I have to buy from them. Now, outside of their military service, its still a sales relationship. On the flip side of that token, I have met and dealt with salespeople also of a special forces background that are great salespeople. And aside from the sales training, it just takes a little effort...like the other gent said. "No we don't carry that at the moment, have you considered anything else." I guess my general takeaway was disinterested and not motivated to sell. Engage a willing customer in dialogue. Shit, I'm looking for a Stag, you could have sold me a Bushmaster. (example)
theGinsue
04-21-2011, 12:30
Thread Derail: UberTong - check your PM's!
Back to the regularly scheduled thread, already in progress:
I know for a fact that at least one of the main folks from BlueCore has become a member on this site. That tells me a lot about these folks - if they want to be active here, they are trying to do the right thing for CO shooters. They may need a little time to hone their customer service skills but I think they certainly mean well.
UberTong
04-21-2011, 12:44
Sorry for the derail, I thought I would share my experience to offer improvement to gun stores when a customer calls in.
ldmaster
04-21-2011, 12:49
it's pretty fair that if someone is going to advertise their military service as a selling point, that we are not obligated to "give them a break" just because of it.
It is all too common for places to treat us gunaholics like ignorant peasants simply because they, like many of us, spent time in the armed services. It's a poor excuse for poor service.
There were times when I was in business that I had to learn from the school of hard knocks, even though my intentions and product was the best - I was guilty of committing some customer service sins that I'm not proud of.
I'm going to go down there and report back on my experience, I'm pretty disarming when I try to be...
I'll edit this post when I do!
Ok, I checked out BluCore today to break-in my Arsenal SGL21, so I would like to add to the few actual firsthand experiences in this thread.
My first impressions:
Pros:
1. The two members of staff on hand were friendly and helpful (although I didn't need much help or ask many questions)
2. The facility was clean and the pistol lanes are some of the nicest I've seen. I've only been to the facility once before, when it was run by Green Mountain, and honestly can't remember if it was much better or worse, but the ventilation, targeting system and number of lanes is good.
3. When the rifle range opens, unlike with Green Mountain, you won't be limited to sitting down and sighting in only.
4. You can shoot rifles on the pistol lanes, unlike Green Mountain as well.
5. You can bring your own ammo to the pistol lanes. (wish I had known before I got there).
6. Target controls display actual distance.
Cons:
1. 20 round box of 7.62x39 is $35.99. See #5 above though.
2. Pistol lanes are only 15 yards. Cool for actual handguns, but won't be satisfactory for most who are there with a rifle.
3. $24 for the rifle range is cost prohibitive, in my opinion. That being said, the cost encourages a serious look at membership benefits.
Another kind of con is their distance from where I live, but I'd go there again and may even consider a membership... but I will be scouting out some of the outdoor ranges first.
Also, it was less busy that I anticipated for a Saturday afternoon and I did not have to wait for a lane.
So i was doing a search to find other places to shoot and came across this forum.
I stopped by bluecore the other day after learning that the pricks at GMFSC are no longer owners. I was really impressed, the guy showed me around the place and i cant think of any negatives. I have several NFA that they dont have issues with and i also reload. I just got a new scope on my msar and shot it at the pistol range.
Being a reloader, the memberships there are really attractive. I can stop in for 30 min in a day and check my loads and not freak at spending $50 just to do it.
I didnt get to spend much time there but ill post new experiences as appropriate.
That's fantastic that they allow you to bring your own ammo. :)
FWIW - There was an article about BluCore in the Sunday Denver Post. Talks about the owners, their security training business, and the new range. Section K, Business section. Says they've been in the training business since 2009, but the range is a new thing.
FWIW - There was an article about BluCore in the Sunday Denver Post. Talks about the owners, their security training business, and the new range. Section K, Business section. Says they've been in the training business since 2009, but the range is a new thing.
or here:
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_17913204
or here:
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_17913204
Well, some of us old farts flat out refuse to read newspapers online. I prefer the old ink and paper, thank you!
DeusExMachina
04-25-2011, 11:29
Sounds like a personal problem.
I initially had high hopes for BluCore till we saw the ammo policy and then I was with a lot of you saying I would never go. Well, apparently BluCore heard the complaints and changed the ammo policy as most of us are now aware.
As ammo prices are going up, I decided I needed to order some ammo. But, I wanted to try out a different bullet weight in one of my pistols before I ordered. I didn't have time to go to the National Forest during the week and wanted to see how accurate different loads would be. So, I decided to go give BluCore a shot (no pun intended). I live only a few miles away, so its quite convenient for me.
I brought my gear in, chatted with the guys. They were friendly and the place is much cleaner and more professional looking than when it was Green Mt Family Shooting Center (GMFSC). They have a great selection of paper targets to choose from and the ones I looked at ranged from $0.25-$0.50. You pay after you shoot, so its easy to grab a few more targets if you need them. Before I headed in, I read the range rules and it said no rapid fire. I asked them about it and they said that they understand the importance of rapid fire in training, but just asked that you don't shoot too fast to keep complete control of your pistol. Fair enough.
I overheard another guy ask them about the price being per hour. They told him that it is a per hour charge, but if they aren't backed up, they will let you shoot as long as you want. This is the same rule that most ranges have as far as I am aware.
My 11 yr old son was off from school yesterday, so I brought him along. He didn't shoot this time, but kids 11 and over are permitted to shoot with an adult. Sounded like they previously had it at 8 and over, but two jackasses already screwed that up by letting kids shoot guns they couldn't control. Based on the description the guys at BluCore gave, I really can't blame them.
Range was clean and well lit. I shot my own ammo and they also let you pick up your own brass. I also wasn't bothered while I shot. Range Officer was not breathing down your neck like GMFSC.
I also chatted with the guys in general after I shot. These guys are new to this too and understand that some of the rules and regs of the range will have to evolve. They seem to be intelligent and have a lot of training. I think when we have an issue with a rule, if we can provide them a good reason why it shouldn't be that way, and can still be done safely, they will consider it.
They also asked me my opinion about what AR15 accessories I would like to see them carry in the retail shop. They understand that most people will buy the majority of their gear online, so wanted to know what I would like to see locally.
As I do need to practice more and want to be able to test out my reloads, I signed up for the year membership for $269.99. I know its not cheap, but I think I will get my monies worth out of it.
I was pleasantly surprised by my experience at BluCore and hope more of our members will go try them out (and no, I received no compensation for my review [ROFL1]).
are they allowing reloads now?
are they allowing reloads now?
Yes. That's what they told me.
I stopped by and shot at Blue Core today. Overall, a good experience. The gents at the counter were friendly, and there was no wait to get a lane. They asked to look at my ammo, but didn't give me a hard time for the reloads. My friend bought a couple boxes of 9mm at 13 bucks and some change for the S&B. We shot our guns, had a good time, and left. Here's a few things that caught my attention:
As far as rental guns go, there were pretty slim pickins. About all I saw were a couple Ruger LCP's, a Sig, a couple wheel guns, and about 50 XD's. I'm sure they will expand sooner or later, but it's obvious right now that they're more into a variety of caliber than gun.
Their range rules say drawing from the holster is only permitted from approval. My friend and I are both Security Officers, and he was in uniform (just got off). When he asked if he could draw from the holster, they came in and asked him to demonstrate his technique. The guy said all was good, and my friend went ahead with shooting. I don't know if it was this easy because he was in uniform, but it seems to me that they just want to make sure you're not going to be sending bullets all over the place.
The rules also state you can pick up YOUR OWN brass. I don't know why the emphasis on only your own, but I wasn't questioned when picking up my .45 casings, and I know I picked up a few that weren't mine.
They make it very clear that they don't want wolf, or any russian ammo for that matter. Don't know why they hate it so much (other than the fact that a lot of it is steel core and they just don't want to have to differentiate), but their ammo prices are good enough that I won't be crying about it.
Overall, a good experience. Clean facility, nice people, and good prices. I hope they can keep their prices low, but one of the guys there said they will go up a little with the coming increase in price of ammo. As long as it's not too bad, I'll keep going back. Hell, might even get a membership!
One more thing-They expect to have the retail store open in about four weeks and the rifle range in six. If you want to shoot your AR in the pistol bays you can, but at 15 yards max, I don't see the point unless they will let you do reloading drills and such.
[Beer]
stevelkinevil
04-30-2011, 09:46
was thinking about giving this place a shot on Sunday as its gonna be to cold for heading to the mountains, however looks like the rifle range is not up yet, and seriously? $24 per hour??!! that's 40 rounds of cheap ammo!
Their range rules say drawing from the holster is only permitted from approval. My friend and I are both Security Officers, and he was in uniform (just got off). When he asked if he could draw from the holster, they came in and asked him to demonstrate his technique. The guy said all was good, and my friend went ahead with shooting. I don't know if it was this easy because he was in uniform, but it seems to me that they just want to make sure you're not going to be sending bullets all over the place.
[Beer]
I fully support BluCore's or any range's staff vetting a request like this. Firstly, it's nice of them to make an exception (after a demo) and secondly, you never know what the skillset of the person in the lane next to you is or what's going on in their brain at any particular moment, so some vetting of special requests puts me more at ease.
So i've been back more than a couple times to Blue core. after the third round i decided to get a membership. I went pretty late and ended up chatting with one of the guys after they closed. i think ive spoken with all of the staff and they are all good people.
one thing that really impressed me as i was packing up near 8:00, one of them was in there vacuuming each of the stalls. this just tells me that they really care about the range and work to keep it nice.
As far as asking to see someone draw from a holster before they allow it, im completely ok with that. Ive seen someone shoot their ankle off doing this because they didnt now what they were doing. Frankly, ide rather not get shot because someone feels like being john wayne for a day. Ive also seen so much stupid crap happen at every outdoor range its not even funny. Im glad that this place has the sense to limit the risky behaviors to those who know how to do them.
Im totally impressed with this place.
Buzzkill69
04-30-2011, 14:34
So i've been back more than a couple times to Blue core. after the third round i decided to get a membership. I went pretty late and ended up chatting with one of the guys after they closed. i think ive spoken with all of the staff and they are all good people.
one thing that really impressed me as i was packing up near 8:00, one of them was in there vacuuming each of the stalls. this just tells me that they really care about the range and work to keep it nice.
As far as asking to see someone draw from a holster before they allow it, im completely ok with that. Ive seen someone shoot their ankle off doing this because they didnt now what they were doing. Frankly, ide rather not get shot because someone feels like being john wayne for a day. Ive also seen so much stupid crap happen at every outdoor range its not even funny. Im glad that this place has the sense to limit the risky behaviors to those who know how to do them.
Im totally impressed with this place.
How much was the membership?
How much was the membership?
$270
Sounds like alot, but for as much as i used to shoot this would pay for itself quickly.
The biggest advantage for me is for reloading. I basically stopped for a year because it got too difficult to drive an hour to go test reloads. Now i can do up a few loads, drive down the street and not freak at paying $17 for shooting 15 minutes. It makes a big difference.
Buzzkill69
04-30-2011, 14:45
$270
Sounds like alot, but for as much as i used to shoot this would pay for itself quickly.
The biggest advantage for me is for reloading. I basically stopped for a year because it got too difficult to drive an hour to go test reloads. Now i can do up a few loads, drive down the street and not freak at paying $17 for shooting 15 minutes. It makes a big difference.
Being close definitely helps. $270 is a little spendy but not too bad. What all is included with the membership? I am thinking about getting one myself.
5% off products in store, a t-shirt, and free range visits. Also the pistol range fee for guests of members is $11 instead of 14.
well, after sitting and reading through all these posts i decided to bite the bullet and give them a try...i have to say, much nicer than what i was expecting after hearing all the negative comments. When i walked i was helped immediately and i was on my way to the range. i found it to be a better facility than silver bullet and the guys there were extrmely friendly..i haven't been to many other indoor ranges but it was better than i was expecting, and the bring your own ammo was a plus. i was there a little over an hour bought 5 targets and was out for under 20 bucks! It was an overall good experience. will definitely go back..the membership prices seem pretty good, but i dont shoot indoors much.
Hope this helps some people decide on them
I fully support BluCore's or any range's staff vetting a request like this. Firstly, it's nice of them to make an exception (after a demo) and secondly, you never know what the skillset of the person in the lane next to you is or what's going on in their brain at any particular moment, so some vetting of special requests puts me more at ease.
That's the way I saw it. I wasn't really interested in holster drawing this time, but I'm sure if I asked they would have let me (after a quick demo, of course).
DeusExMachina
04-30-2011, 22:10
I went today after meeting up with a member to sell my M&P. He was a member at the range, so I got in as a guest. Always happy to save a couple bucks.
The ventilation was great, no black boogers afterward. My only complaint was that it was really cold (probably due to the ventilation?) and there wasn't enough brooms to sweep up. Some dude that was there must have REALLY liked to sweep, because he wouldn't give it up and wasn't paying attention to anyone when I tried to ask him for it. I thought he worked there or something but no, he just really liked to sweep brass I guess.
I was kind of disappointed that the range was only 15 yards and not 25 yards, but oh well.
$270 for a year membership seems pretty spendy, but if you go once a week or even twice a month it would be worth it. I'm about a half hour away so I probably wont go too often, as the Firing Line is about 10 minutes away and I haven't had any problems.
ghettodub
05-01-2011, 16:00
Went there this morning since it's just down the street from my house. Nothing but good reviews from me. Agreed that it's really cold, but if that's the price to pay for the awesome ventilation, i'm game.
I think I"m gonna do one of the year membership deals with my brother and a few other people. If we had five, it ended up being like 170 a person or something, and considering how much I shoot, that'll pay off in no time. Along with the other perks, like discounts on the store when it opens, range reservations, etc
Mobat555
05-01-2011, 16:11
Went there this morning since it's just down the street from my house. Nothing but good reviews from me.
I went this afternoon (since its down the street from me) and have to say I was fairly impressed with the ventilation as well. Nice they only charged $11 for my nephew (being a minor). Will go back for sure.
The only thing that stuck me as odd was this comment:
"The rifle range will be open soon and if you want to sight in an AR15 you can use it, but if you intend on blowing through a bunch of rounds we will ask them to move to the pistol range."
I went again today. Had a good experience again too. I asked about drawing from a holster. One of the guys came and watched that I did it safely. He also gave me some good pointers to improve my draw without being pushy.
I shot some slugs from my Benelli M4 as well.
ghettodub
05-01-2011, 16:20
I went this afternoon (since its down the street from me) and have to say I was fairly impressed with the ventilation as well. Nice they only charged $11 for my nephew (being a minor). Will go back for sure.
The only thing that stuck me as odd was this comment:
"The rifle range will be open soon and if you want to sight in an AR15 you can use it, but if you intend on blowing through a bunch of rounds we will ask them to move to the pistol range."
I think I may have been in front of you in line today, because I remember hearing them say that to someone else, hehe [Beer]
so they allow you to bring your own ammo for pistol range?
Will have to check them out this week.
Mobat555
05-01-2011, 19:43
so they allow you to bring your own ammo for pistol range?
Will have to check them out this week.
Yep so $16 if you bring your own ammo and $12 if you use theirs.
Yep so $16 if you bring your own ammo and $12 if you use theirs.
When I was there it was 17 and 14. Not trying to be a douche or anything but it those few bucks matter to some.
But do they allow handloads with lead bullets? Like wadcutters or semis? You know, "target" loads? That always blew my mind about GMFSC, "no lead bullets", yet only paper targets, which go hand in hand with lead wadcutters or semis......goofballs.
But do they allow handloads with lead bullets? Like wadcutters or semis? You know, "target" loads? That always blew my mind about GMFSC, "no lead bullets", yet only paper targets, which go hand in hand with lead wadcutters or semis......goofballs.
I was going to ask them but I forgot. I'll check next time I'm in.
Yep so $16 if you bring your own ammo and $12 if you use theirs.
good news. thanks man.
High Altitude
05-03-2011, 09:52
Yep so $16 if you bring your own ammo and $12 if you use theirs.
Is that still a per hour rate or is it a flat fee rate?
Mobat555
05-03-2011, 09:57
Is that still a per hour rate or is it a flat fee rate?
Per hour but I have been told they do not hound you after an hour unless there is a line.
Also take note I was wrong it is $17 I read my receipt incorrectly.
$17 / hour / Individual
$14 / hour / Individual with the purchase of ammunition
($11 / hour, Law Enforcement / Military / Seniors / Minors / Guests)
$24 / hour / Individual for shotgun use
DeusExMachina
05-03-2011, 10:11
Per hour but I have been told they do not hound you after an hour unless there is a line.
Also take note I was wrong it is $17 I read my receipt incorrectly.
$17 / hour / Individual
$14 / hour / Individual with the purchase of ammunition
($11 / hour, Law Enforcement / Military / Seniors / Minors / Guests)
$24 / hour / Individual for shotgun use
I kind of got the feeling that if you're approaching an hour and there's people waiting, they'd let you know. At least I hope so.
Mobat555
05-04-2011, 08:38
Took this video shooting on Sunday and if you look closely its kind of a testament to how well ventilated Blucore is. Watch the smoke dissipate after every shot.
Did an audio replace to not assault your ears with gun fire.
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Mods feel free to delete/move/modify if you feel this is not fitting to the thread.
That video made me feel 80 years old.
SuperiorDG
05-04-2011, 09:27
Did an audio replace to not assault your ears with gun fire.
So you decided to assault us with polka music.[Beer]
ghettodub
05-04-2011, 09:57
I kind of got the feeling that if you're approaching an hour and there's people waiting, they'd let you know. At least I hope so.
One of the guys came in when an hour hit for me and saw that was already packing up and asked if I was finished. Politely though.
So you decided to assault us with polka music.[Beer]
[ROFL2]
Stopped in this afternoon and had the place to myself. Looks like they're trying really hard to make people welcome, guy working the desk was great, as was James who came in while I was on my way out. No issues, both guys were really nice and I'm looking forward to having a decent indoor range available.
I went there a couple of weeks ago. The owners were really nice and I would go there again.
I went there a couple of weeks ago. The owners were really nice and I would go there again.
seems like the frowns are turning upside down!
seems like the frowns are turning upside down!
I was going to say the same thing. I'm really happy the tone of this thread has turned around since the place opened. Still waiting for the 100yd range to open before I stop in myself.
pickenup
05-05-2011, 17:40
Yup, nice to see this thread turning positive.
colomason
05-06-2011, 15:36
I had visited this Range while it was in the hands of the previous owners and could not get out of there fast enough, they were rude obnoxious and did not have time for customers, the range itself was ok for an indoor facility,
the problem was mostly with bad attitudes, those people are most likely still unemployed and in my opinion are unemployable with their very rude personalities. the guys at BlueCore need to be aware of this Bad Taste left behind and will need to work hard to ensure this does not happen again and promote high quality service to build their reputation on, One mistake here guys and it will stay with you, that being said, I wish them the best of luck with their new venture.
I had visited this Range while it was in the hands of the previous owners and could not get out of there fast enough, they were rude obnoxious and did not have time for customers, the range itself was ok for an indoor facility,
the problem was mostly with bad attitudes, those people are most likely still unemployed and in my opinion are unemployable with their very rude personalities. the guys at BlueCore need to be aware of this Bad Taste left behind and will need to work hard to ensure this does not happen again and promote high quality service to build their reputation on, One mistake here guys and it will stay with you, that being said, I wish them the best of luck with their new venture.
It seems as though they are on top of it...i had nothing but excellent customer service....don't let the bad wrap of previous owners influence you from trying someone new
I was there on Saturday with some friends. Shot for about an hour and half, since not every lane was in use they charged for an hour. I brought my own ammo, which they did a quick spot check of.
Smoke cleared very quickly, I likely won't go back until the rifle range is open. They didn't have any problem with me using my SBR AR15 or PS90. Controlled rapid fire was allowed.
Now I did get some extra attention, the SBR is quite loud to begin with and in the enclosed space was entertaining [ROFL1]
UberTong
05-30-2011, 13:46
Hey guys,
I just wanted to post my review of the BlueCore facililty, formerly Green Mountain. From the time pulling into the parking lot, it was clean, neat and well done. Once I walked into the range front desk which is below the retail store (opening in June) I was greeted by two BlueCore employees. I can't speak highly enough of what a good experience I was given. Both employees were helpful, courteous, knowledgeable and had great attitudes.
Once out on the range, I knew I would buy a membership. After shooting at a few clubs here in CO I was disappointed...they were dirty, dingy and worn out. BlueCore is nothing like this- the front area was spotless, the range was immaculate with modern shooting lanes and a great ventilation system that kept the range air cool and clean.
I also had the opportunity to meet and speak with Sean and James who I believe were both owners. These guys were great! Funny, down to earth guys who obviously pride themselves on customer service and a top of the line facility.
I recommend anyone to go to BlueCore, try it, sign up and you will have a great experience.
My experience seems to be inline with everyone else, they were awesome to deal with. Definitely going back there soon. Especially since I live less than5 mins away. :)
DeusExMachina
05-31-2011, 00:00
I'm tempted to make the ~30 min drive instead of going to the Firing Line after a delightful experience at 10AM Sunday of the guy and his kid in the lane next to me dumping magazine after magazine into the same target as fast as they could with some ported .45 shooting Wolf or some other non-brass, smokey-as-hell ammo. With Firing Line's shit ventilation, the cloud just kind of hovered around me until they ran out of ammo.
mackbamf
05-31-2011, 14:26
Anyone know when they expect to open the rifle portion of the range?
I was in there last Thursday and they said that they hoped to have the rifle range and shop open in 3 weeks. Also said they were going to carry a lot of AR related supplies and were a authorized Magpul retailer.
I had a good experience there too as well.
Another plus on the rifle range, they were going to have one lane where you could shoot prone or from shooting sticks to cater to hunters etc.
mackbamf
06-01-2011, 21:52
Sounds like the place is doing much better. I won't be heading down until the rifle range is open. Having an indoor range will be great once the summer is over, would have been nice if it had been open a few months ago.
Rooskibar03
06-06-2011, 13:07
I know I'm relatively new to the shooting community and don't have really any other experience to base my comments on but after another visit yesterday with my dad, who was visiting from out of town, I gotta say anyone who is an frequent shooter will love this place.
They were rather busy, at more then one time I saw every lane full. Dad and I went through 6 different weapons and probably 400-500 rounds. Had a blast, everyone was super helpful, the place is clean and very little if any waiting.
I've made my decision on my first purchase(229) after spending time with several guns there. My next visit will be with my own firearm and I suspect I'll be laying down for a membership.
On a side note, guy there with a full auto MP5 yesterday tearing it up. How do I go about getting me one of those. [M2]
SuperiorDG
06-06-2011, 13:43
I gotta say anyone who is an active shooter will love this place.
Being new, you will soon find out that being and "Active Shooter" is not a good thing. [Help]
BTW: It is a nice place to shoot.
Rooskibar03
06-06-2011, 14:04
Being new, you will soon find out that being and "Active Shooter" is not a good thing. [Help]
BTW: It is a nice place to shoot.
Noted and corrected.
On a side note, guy there with a full auto MP5 yesterday tearing it up. How do I go about getting me one of those.
Lots of cash, LOTS of cash! Most of us normal unwashed masses have to be happy with renting them.
So finally went the other day, got the tour, and should be 1-2 weeks until the 100yd rifle range is open, and 1-2 weeks until the shop is open. Went ahead and got the membership there since I'll be shooting a lot and Mil membership is pretty inexpensive.
UberTong
06-16-2011, 11:31
So finally went the other day, got the tour, and should be 1-2 weeks until the 100yd rifle range is open, and 1-2 weeks until the shop is open. Went ahead and got the membership there since I'll be shooting a lot and Mil membership is pretty inexpensive.
Nice Ronin! I was going to head in there Saturday morning to shoot and pick up a membership. I've been impressed with the facility and the staff time and again.
1-2 weeks until the 100yd rifle range is open, and 1-2 weeks until the shop is open. Sweet! Looks like I'll finally get to go visit when I get back from my 4th of July vacation. It'll even give them an extra week.
BluCore Shooting Center is offering Memberships at 10% off this weekend only (Friday, Saturday and Sunday)!!! Come on in and get your membership before the price goes up. We are expecting the 100 yard rifle range to be open next week and will be raising the membership price at that time. The hundred yard range looks totally awesome!!! Extremely well lit, clean and user friendly...
Come on out and see us!
Happy Father's Day
BluCore Shooting Center is offering Memberships at 10% off this weekend only (Friday, Saturday and Sunday)!!! Come on in and get your membership before the price goes up. We are expecting the 100 yard rifle range to be open next week and will be raising the membership price at that time. The hundred yard range looks totally awesome!!! Extremely well lit, clean and user friendly...
Come on out and see us!
Happy Father's Day
Welcome to The Forums Jims!
Are you one of the owners?
Help I'm addicted... went again last night with my brother and his friend (both were first time shooters at that range) and we got to meet Eric, one of the owners who happens to be a member at the gym where my brother's friend is a trainer. What a great guy and very knowlegbale. Gave us a free 5min refresher on fundamentals and tactics for "keeping your weapon in your work space" during reloads and things of that nature. Stuff I'd learned from Chris Costa, but reminders can only help.
Love that place and am proud to be a member... now if I can just save up enough to get my Rem 700 so I can take advantage of their rifle range when it's set up to dial in my scope.
I'm going by today to see if I qualify for the Patriot Membership (Vetran, no longer active or reserve).
UberTong
06-17-2011, 10:22
Help I'm addicted... went again last night with my brother and his friend (both were first time shooters at that range) and we got to meet Eric, one of the owners who happens to be a member at the gym where my brother's friend is a trainer. What a great guy and very knowlegbale. Gave us a free 5min refresher on fundamentals and tactics for "keeping your weapon in your work space" during reloads and things of that nature. Stuff I'd learned from Chris Costa, but reminders can only help.
Love that place and am proud to be a member... now if I can just save up enough to get my Rem 700 so I can take advantage of their rifle range when it's set up to dial in my scope.
Ronin, I'm heading over there Saturday morning...going to attempt to get my new sight somewhat dialed in maybe I will see you there, god knows I could use some [Help] dialing in my first sight.
Ronin, I'm heading over there Saturday morning...going to attempt to get my new sight somewhat dialed in maybe I will see you there, god knows I could use some [Help] dialing in my first sight.
Unfortunately I won't be able to make it- and the rifle range is not open yet so you'd only have 15.5yds to do it... I am however going to 5280 Armory's Gunz 'N Gear show at 5420 Marshall Street (East of Wadsworth on 55th to Marshall then south 1 block it's on the left)... Doing that around 11 or so then I'm going to a concert at Red Rocks around 1.
Of all posts, in the history of posts, has any post ever done such a complete 180 degree turn on the opinion on any given subject?
I'm glad to hear the BlueCore guys are doing well by everyone. I wish they were closer.
Of all posts, in the history of posts, has any post ever done such a complete 180 degree turn on the opinion on any given subject?
I'm glad to hear the BlueCore guys are doing well by everyone. I wish they were closer.
That's what Eric told me last night! He said a lot of people had told him about this thread and how skeptical everyone was because of the history that place had. He's happy to see there are so many satisfied people and they're doing a great job of improving and taking customer comments to help make it a great place to go shoot.
ghettodub
06-17-2011, 12:55
Went there again this week, and was a great experience again!
SuperiorDG
06-17-2011, 13:07
Of all posts, in the history of posts, has any post ever done such a complete 180 degree turn on the opinion on any given subject?
I'm glad to hear the BlueCore guys are doing well by everyone. I wish they were closer.
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you'll so, look back and you will see. I've always said to give the guys a chance and you may be surprised. [Beer]
Guess I'll have to go check it out! Somebody please report when the rifle range is open. I've got a few I'd like to sight in, and indoors would be nice.
Joined the club today - see you there.
scratchy
06-17-2011, 23:08
I'm in when the rifle side is open. I'm very happy to see the great reports about this place. It may not be cheap but they do deserve to earn a living.
TwoSevenEcho
06-18-2011, 00:51
Went over to Blue Core yesterday (Friday) to inquire about the rifle range and the guy told me it will be open on Tuesday with 5 lanes dedicated to rifles. Look forward to this!
I'm in when the rifle side is open. I'm very happy to see the great reports about this place. It may not be cheap but they do deserve to earn a living.
My one year membership with the discount was $242.00- that's just a tad over $20 per month.
IMO that's pretty hard to beat!
Ran into Hip55 at BluCore yesterday. I haven't been to that facility since it was K2. I like what they've done with the place and I like how they're running it. I wish it were closer, but we can use it year 'round. The wife and I are considering a membership. It would be good to get out and shoot on a more regular basis.
Ran into Hip55 at BluCore yesterday. I haven't been to that facility since it was K2. I like what they've done with the place and I like how they're running it. I wish it were closer, but we can use it year 'round. The wife and I are considering a membership. It would be good to get out and shoot on a more regular basis.
Nice meeting you -
It was a pleasure for me as well.
Ok everyone, you have been asking and we have been promising. The Rifle Range is NOW OPEN.
Our rates are:
$24 per hour per person. And......
$20 for a rifle/pistol combo per hour per person.
Some people have hinted that our rifle range prices have gone up. Well they did. But we also extended the time from 30 mins to 1 hour. GMFSC was charging $21 for 30 mins.
So hurry up and come see us before the lanes fill up!
James
BluCore Shooting Center
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