View Full Version : CCW at Coors Field?
DD977GM2
04-14-2011, 09:38
Any one ever had an issue with CCWing at Coors field? I can not remember if they have permanent metal detectors at any of their entrances.
I do remember the occasional patdown from the ticket folks at Mile High before a Bronco game.
Anyone CCW there? I hate being downtown without a way to protect myself.
My Dad and I are thinking of going to a game next week with my youngest and my Sister's youngest and get rock pile seats or something cheap since the kids wont be that into the game.
GM2 [M2]
Colorado Luckydog
04-14-2011, 09:46
It's against the rules according to their web site. I have never carried there but they do not have metal detectors. I'm sure you could carry there if you wanted.
DD977GM2
04-14-2011, 10:01
It's against the rules according to their web site. I have never carried there but they do not have metal detectors. I'm sure you could carry there if you wanted.
As you now thier rules do not holdup in court and is only an issue if I refuse when asked to leave if they find out etc etc etc.
It's against the rules according to their web site. I have never carried there but they do not have metal detectors. I'm sure you could carry there if you wanted.
However they do have people with metal detector wands at every gate.
DD977GM2
04-14-2011, 10:13
However they do have people with metal detector wands at every gate.
OH SNAP [Bang]
Have carried Many a Flask filled with my favorite beverage. Never been checked for it. However they look into womens purses.
DD977GM2
04-14-2011, 10:54
Have carried Many a Flask filled with my favorite beverage. Never been checked for it. However they look into women's purses.
I will change out my purse to an IWB and carry up front on my junk cuz they never groap you HAHAHA. I may like it if it is from a hottie female ticket lady [LOL]
I went last year, and out of the 5 people I was with only the girl w/ a purse was checked.
It was pretty funny laughing as they frisked her, and let me go in. [Muaha]
However they do have people with metal detector wands at every gate.
Yea be careful with the people wanding. I was at the pepsi center a couple weeks ago and they wanded me and I had to walk back to the car or surrender my knife...I didn't tell them about the pistol on me though[Muaha]
Lex_Luthor
04-14-2011, 11:44
Yea be careful with the people wanding. I was at the pepsi center a couple weeks ago and they wanded me and I had to walk back to the car or surrender my knife...I didn't tell them about the pistol on me though[Muaha]
Did you leave them both, or bring back the pistol and go in? And since they had already checked you, did they re-check you or just let you in?
Coors Field area is far from the worst part of Denver, and during the afternoon with tens of thousands of citizens and uniformed policemen everywhere you'll be reasonably safe from the bad guys.
Now, if you are walking by yourself a few blocks from there after the pubs close on a Friday or Saturday night, that's another story.
Coors Field area is far from the worst part of Denver, and during the afternoon with tens of thousands of citizens and uniformed policemen everywhere you'll be reasonably safe from the bad guys.
Now, if you are walking by yourself a few blocks from there after the pubs close on a Friday or Saturday night, that's another story.
Just pay the 10.00 for the Boyz to watch yer stuff.
Bailey Guns
04-14-2011, 12:16
Coors Field is owned by the Metropolitan Major League Baseball Stadium District. I don't know if that's a gov't entity or private entity.
Just pay the 10.00 for the Boyz to watch yer stuff.
um we charge 20 these dayz homie[LOL][LOL][LOL][LOL]
colocowboy01
04-14-2011, 13:13
um we charge 20 these dayz homie[LOL][LOL][LOL][LOL]
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colocowboy01
04-14-2011, 13:14
Coors Field is owned by the Metropolitan Major League Baseball Stadium District. I don't know if that's a gov't entity or private entity.
I have been told that it is private property.
ronaldrwl
04-14-2011, 13:33
They seem more concerned with glass bottles than anything else. I've never been checked. Only our backpacks. But I've never carried to a game. It's a long walk back to the car (lazy).
It does say on their website guns are not permitted.
Did you leave them both, or bring back the pistol and go in? And since they had already checked you, did they re-check you or just let you in?
I put both in the car since I didn't feel like walking back twice. I did leave some change in their collection bin so when I got back I walked up to the guy asking for my change back and he didn't wand me again...I could have carried if I had it back on me!
Coors Field is owned by the Metropolitan Major League Baseball Stadium District. I don't know if that's a gov't entity or private entity.
Since I get to collect sales tax for the Stadium District, I gotta assume that it's owned by the .gov.
Coors Field is owned by the Metropolitan Major League Baseball Stadium District. I don't know if that's a gov't entity or private entity.
I don't think it matters. IIRC if they have either a metal detector, or someone with a metal detector at every entrance (regardless of private or public) you can't carry there. Even if they don't wand everyone, they are there. You can bet your ass the management knows the law too, and thats why they pay the slouch to sit on a bench with a metal detector right next to the entrance.
My mom used to work at Coors Field, thats how I know the metal detector guys are placed at every entrance.
I don't think it matters. IIRC if they have either a metal detector, or someone with a metal detector at every entrance (regardless of private or public) you can't carry there. Even if they don't wand everyone, they are there. You can bet your ass the management knows the law too, and thats why they pay the slouch to sit on a bench with a metal detector right next to the entrance.
My mom used to work at Coors Field, thats how I know the metal detector guys are placed at every entrance.
OK so if they have metal detectors how have we been getting in with StSt flasks for the past 7 years? DUH
newracer
04-14-2011, 18:04
I don't think it matters. IIRC if they have either a metal detector, or someone with a metal detector at every entrance (regardless of private or public) you can't carry there. Even if they don't wand everyone, they are there. You can bet your ass the management knows the law too, and thats why they pay the slouch to sit on a bench with a metal detector right next to the entrance.
My mom used to work at Coors Field, thats how I know the metal detector guys are placed at every entrance.
Well here is the CRS, simple having wands does not cut it. Also every person must be screened. See the section in bold.
18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions.
(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.
(b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.
(2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:
(a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;
(b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty;
(c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.
(4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:
(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;
(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and
(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.
(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.
(6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209.
Well here is the CRS, simple having wands does not cut it. Also every person must be screened. See the section in bold.
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/col/ballpark/information/index.jsp?content=security
Prohibited Items:
Alcoholic beverages, illegal drugs or medical marijuana
Non-alcoholic beer
Glass bottles and aluminum cans
Aerosol cans (including sunscreen)
All hard-sided coolers and containers, regardless of size
All hard-sided briefcases, regardless of size
All soft-sided bags and containers larger than 16"x16"x8"
Camera tri, dual or single leg pods by non-media personnel. Video cameras are permitted as long as live game action is not recorded in order to protect Colorado Rockies local and national rightsholders.
Bota bags, wine skins or camel packs
Sticks or clubs (including signs attached to sticks)
Fireworks, firearms or other weapons
Bullhorns or noise makers
Confetti
Animals (except service animals for Guests with Disabilities are permitted)
Beachballs, balloons and other inflatables
Skateboards, rollerblades or shoes with wheels
Stools or folding chairs
Large squirt guns or super soakers
Fish nets and poles
Any fruit or vegetable larger than a grapefruit must be sliced
Laser pointers
Insulated coolers, cups and thermoses larger than 22 ounces
Pizza boxes larger than personal size
Also the CRS does permit it, you don't have to meet all 3 criteria, only 1 of 3 will make it illegal. The way the law is set up is so that if the building has A Or B OR C, not A AND B and C.
Also, it is not a "public building" per say, since it is not owned technically by the city. It is owned by the private entity called Denver Metropolitan Major League Baseball Stadium District. The law you posted also allows them to deny carry rights to anyone on their property, which they do not allow.
and since you had to be annoying and bold a law I already knew
tl;dr You can't carry your gun in Coors Field.
Byte Stryke
04-14-2011, 19:12
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don't forget itz only 20 bonz fo the boyz in da hood to watch yo stuff
[Poke][Tooth][LOL]
Since I get to collect sales tax for the Stadium District, I gotta assume that it's owned by the .gov.
Colorado Mills charged/charges that pif tax and that isn't government owned. Don't know if that is the same though, since it was only the stores on site that charged it.
xiondavis
04-14-2011, 21:23
Read it again... Subsections A, b, and c of Section 4 of that CRS are joined with an AND. The way I read it, all three conditions must be met for carrying to be against that section...
newracer
04-14-2011, 22:48
The Denver Metropolitan Major League Baseball Stadium District was formed by the state government and not a private entity. It is a subdivision of the state so if anything a local government and there for (more big font).
18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions.
(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.
In addition no where in the CRS are firearms banned in the stadium. Glass bottles are banned however.
Also even if it was only one of the three, there are not doing any of the three. They do not screen every person, the metal detectors are not permanent, and they do not have the ability to hold your weapon while in the building.
Geology Rocks
04-15-2011, 16:11
I am going to tonights game and I will not be carrying..:(
joe
Just put your gun inside your mit and hold it closed.
Geology Rocks
04-16-2011, 09:19
If anyone wants to carry I recommend going int he side entrance. Where we went in there was a 20 year old girl scanning our tickets, no guards, no nothing. Would have been easy. Plus the only police officers I saw were Denver and I don't think they could have caught anyone. I also didnt see any signs on the doors or anything saying no firearms permitted. just an fyi
The Denver Metropolitan Major League Baseball Stadium District was formed by the state government and not a private entity. It is a subdivision of the state so if anything a local government and there for (more big font).
In addition no where in the CRS are firearms banned in the stadium. Glass bottles are banned however.
Also even if it was only one of the three, there are not doing any of the three. They do not screen every person, the metal detectors are not permanent, and they do not have the ability to hold your weapon while in the building.
Formed by a local government =/= owned by the local government. The Rockies organization owns a lease on the building, the Rockies are a private entity, meaning while they lease they own the building. Making it a Private building, and meaning they can do whatever they want and ban firearms if they want too.
Also, buy purchasing a ticket you automatically agree to their terms and conditions of entering the park. One of those is that there are no firearms allowed. Check the back of your tickets, it says it in small print. Small, but still there and in plain sight. By purchasing a ticket you are effectively waving your right to CC at Coors Field. It also says if you do not agree, to sell your ticket back to the box office. So basically, you buy the ticket your are saying 'I will not carry my gun into coors field'. That is a legally binding contract, will they take you to court? Probably not, but why risk it? You might lose your permit.
Byte Stryke
04-16-2011, 14:51
Formed by a local government =/= owned by the local government. The Rockies organization owns a lease on the building, the Rockies are a private entity, meaning while they lease they own the building. Making it a Private building, and meaning they can do whatever they want and ban firearms if they want too.
Also, buy purchasing a ticket you automatically agree to their terms and conditions of entering the park. One of those is that there are no firearms allowed. Check the back of your tickets, it says it in small print. Small, but still there and in plain sight. By purchasing a ticket you are effectively waving your right to CC at Coors Field. It also says if you do not agree, to sell your ticket back to the box office. So basically, you buy the ticket your are saying 'I will not carry my gun into coors field'. That is a legally binding contract, will they take you to court? Probably not, but why risk it? You might lose your permit.
so they aren't a government agency, how are they going to revoke my permit?
Best they can do is to tell me to leave.
their "Security" Cannot even force you to leave.
If I Refuse then the PD Becomes involved and its criminal trespass.
I remember a friend of mine was being "Forceably Escorted" from McNichols and was "Dropped" down a flight of stairs.
4.5 Million later...
while I Agree that it is a private holding under lease, you must also remember that it is a property operated for public patronage, which is no where near the same as private property. ALL of the laws regarding CCW Signage must still be followed.
My House, Private Property
Local 7-11, Private holding operated for public patronage.
you walk into my house, we have a HUGE Problem
you walk into a 7-11, no problem.
I Can and probably will use force to remove you from my home and will be protected in doing so.
7-11 manager will call the local PD if you create a huge issue.
I Could go on and on but yeah, I think you get the point.
ronaldrwl
04-16-2011, 17:17
Did you get checked?
They can take it away because its "private property" and they can do whatever they want on their property as per the law as it is currently written. You agree when buying a ticket to follow the rules, one of those is no firearms. You are held liable for any violations of the rules you agreed to by buying a ticket.
Byte Stryke
04-16-2011, 23:25
They can take it away because its "private property" and they can do whatever they want on their property as per the law as it is currently written. You agree when buying a ticket to follow the rules, one of those is no firearms. You are held liable for any violations of the rules you agreed to by buying a ticket.
yeah I want to see a non-government private company revoke a government issued permit.
WT... Are you smoking?
The only way that would happen is if they asked you to leave and you refused and were arrested for it.
other than that... good luck
lebru meant that they can take away your gun, not your permit. By "take away" he means that they either require you to return it to your car, or give it to them to dispose of before you enter. Same as anything else.
ldmaster
04-17-2011, 22:07
1. Coors Field is operating under a sole-lease agreement, essentially it is NOT a "public building" as noted in CRS the definition of a public building doesn't fit. It's the definition that rules, and Coors Field doesn't fit it.
2. They can't "take away" anything, if they find it the FIRST thing they'll do is call for the cops they have there. The cops will tell you you can't enter with it and probably run you to see if you have a permit. The cop might disarm you briefly, but Coors Field cant.
3. Went to San Diego and hit the Shamu place. Big signs leading up to it talk about what you can and cannot carry into the amusement park. I've got a gun and a Taser. They're well concealed in my bag. I get up to the "search" area and am asked to look in the bag. The Taser is in plain sight for some stupid reason, but it's bright yellow and just has "X26" on it. He closes the bag. At the same moment some guy who looked at least 75 had had HIS bag searched and they found...
Wait for it...
a McDonald's hamburger...
They swarmed the old guy. Seriously, my family and I started laughing. The old guy was protesting, but not loudly, and it wasn't about the hamburger - it was about the response. Like six people surrounded him.
so the world was safe from clogged arteries, but not from Glock or Taser Intl.
Still laugh about it.
They didn't seize his hamburger, they told him to eat it or take it to his car. Didn't wait around to see.
Seriously though, the training these people receive is that if the FIND a weapon, they dont get into it with the person, THAT is why the police are there at all games.
And the franchises do NOT want to piss off their fan base, they don't dig around in crotches or pink delicate bits to determine if you've taped razor blades to them. They want 40 thousand people to come, get drunk on expensive cheap beer, and get out of the stadium quickly. Public relation nightmares take place when you make a big deal out of something like this where the other fans can see you.
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