Bin laden dead

[Monky]

I am so buying this shirt.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q229/trancebear/c089f88a.jpg

purchased :) [Tooth]

[2008f450]

Obama looks like a man posessed...

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1105/617_obl_hfs_sit_room_0502.jpg

Im surprised Biden is awake.[ROFL1] News says WH discussing wheter to release the corpse pics. I say put them on tv for allto see.

[Zundfolge]

Obama looks like a man posessed...

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1105/617_obl_hfs_sit_room_0502.jpg

I see this pic and I really wish I could get my hands on a copy of the feed they're watching.

I wish Wikileaks would do something useful for once and get us that footage [Pop]

[Mtn.man]

Obama looks like a man posessed...

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1105/617_obl_hfs_sit_room_0502.jpg

Oh he's posessed

[lebru]

and the impact on my life today was......negligible. I actually didn't notice a single thing change today from yesterday. Good shit, but also don't really care much. The guy has been sick and ailing for years, hasn't led an assault on the US personally since 2001, and was purposely dragging it out for as long as possible so the US would spend trillions of dollars finding him, causing political and social unrest in the US. He succeeded in doing that. He knew the US would pursue him like they did in Vietnam, the guy isn't an idiot. I watched a Dan Rather special on him from the 80s, he is actually a very smart person. Who else could hide in plain sight from US?

Did anyone catch the fox news segment last night? I honestly swear around 2am I got home, and turned it on to hear one of the correspondents say "...lets not forget, in the 1980s Osama bin Laden fought along side invading Russian forces to forge a terrorist safe-haven in Afghanistan...." My lord there is so much misinformation going around, everyone got trigger happy as soon as they heard he was dead and just started making shit up. Did anyone see the news story, was it the AP, that said he was killed by a tomahawk....and then people said a predator drone....and then people were saying murdered by a rival al qaeda sect.


Sigh.


Don't get me wrong, I am glad we can finally move on. I just don't think it is as significant as people have blown it out to be. He was in Pakistan since 2005, and since then how many people got fucked up looking for him in Afghanistan? I also predict 90% of America will forget about it by early next week.


edit: I also forget to add this bit. Donald Trump is announcing next week he demands to see a death certificate, in long form, he is also suing the white house in a defamation suit for airing their special broadcast during his air time of celebrity apprentice :P

[mx'r]

and the impact on my life today was......negligible. I actually didn't notice a single thing change today from yesterday. Good shit, but also don't really care much. The guy has been sick and ailing for years, hasn't led an assault on the US personally since 2001, and was purposely dragging it out for as long as possible so the US would spend trillions of dollars finding him, causing political and social unrest in the US. He succeeded in doing that. He knew the US would pursue him like they did in Vietnam, the guy isn't an idiot. I watched a Dan Rather special on him from the 80s, he is actually a very smart person. Who else could hide in plain sight from US?

Did anyone catch the fox news segment last night? I honestly swear around 2am I got home, and turned it on to hear one of the correspondents say "...lets not forget, in the 1980s Osama bin Laden fought along side invading Russian forces to forge a terrorist safe-haven in Afghanistan...." My lord there is so much misinformation going around, everyone got trigger happy as soon as they heard he was dead and just started making shit up. Did anyone see the news story, was it the AP, that said he was killed by a tomahawk....and then people said a predator drone....and then people were saying murdered by a rival al qaeda sect.


Sigh.


Don't get me wrong, I am glad we can finally move on. I just don't think it is as significant as people have blown it out to be. He was in Pakistan since 2005, and since then how many people got fucked up looking for him in Afghanistan? I also predict 90% of America will forget about it by early next week.


edit: I also forget to add this bit. Donald Trump is announcing next week he demands to see a death certificate, in long form, he is also suing the white house in a defamation suit for airing their special broadcast during his air time of celebrity apprentice :P

Really? He isnt an idiot? He's fucking dead....and so are lots of Americans because of him.

Edit.. My life did change this morning when I heard the news. I was in a good mood for the first time in over 2 weeks. Fuck him and All the dune koons.

[lebru]

Really? He isnt an idiot? He's fucking dead....and so are lots of Americans because of him.

Edit.. My life did change this morning when I heard the news. I was in a good mood for the first time in over 2 weeks. Fuck him and All the dune koons.

Would an idiot know how to make the USA commit to a costly foreign war for more than 10 years, fighting in the wrong country the entire time, that disrupted the social, economic, and political balance in America? He knew what he was doing, and knew how to do it. He also has a degree in civil engineering.

[mcantar18c]

No, he hasn't personally led an assault against the US in quite a while. It's not about eliminating an immediate threat. The up close and personal death of OBL by US hands is a message both to our citizens and to those who mean to do harm against us that we are not a nation to fuck with, that we do not forget and we do not give up, and no matter where you are or how long it takes we can and will find you and kill you. And THAT is significant.

[lebru]

No, he hasn't personally led an assault against the US in quite a while. It's not about eliminating an immediate threat. The up close and personal death of OBL by US hands is a message both to our citizens and to those who mean to do harm against us that we are not a nation to fuck with, that we do not forget and we do not give up, and no matter where you are or how long it takes we can and will find you and kill you. And THAT is significant.

Right, fuck with the USA and you have about 10 years or more to hang out in a custom built mansion near the capital city of a country in the middle east before we find you. Meanwhile, we are going to spend a shitload of money and lives trying to find you at the same time, not accepting your surrender and continuing to fight in the wrong place. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-surrender-bin-laden-631436.html) We are really efficient aren't we?

[CMP_5.56]

Exactly what my wife was saying... She made me laugh last night when she said 'Team 6 my ass.. I bet that guy from Greeley got his ass!' ...she likes the word 'ass'. [ROFL2]

I have the same tendency, to overuse the word ass in a run on sentence. [ROFL1]

[Mtn.man]

pretty sure from the picture and Hills response they are watching Slick Willy Does the Oval.

[BushMasterBoy]

No body? No proof! Typical scam from the politicians...

[mcantar18c]

Right, fuck with the USA and you have about 10 years or more to hang out in a custom built mansion near the capital city of a country in the middle east before we find you. Meanwhile, we are going to spend a shitload of money and lives trying to find you at the same time, not accepting your surrender and continuing to fight in the wrong place. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-surrender-bin-laden-631436.html) We are really efficient aren't we?

When a country supposedly cooperative with us helps hide him, intentionally misleads us, and doesn't let our military in (officially anyway), it makes it a little tough to find the bastard.

And in response to that article...
What, you really think we should have accepted that deal? We don't negotiate with terrorists, period. And they'd keep on doing their crap had we taken it, that wouldn't have changed. Their deal was they'll tell us where bin Laden is if we stop bombing them and give them evidence that he was a BG.... oh man what a deal lol.

[Dirt Diver]

When a country supposedly cooperative with us helps hide him, intentionally misleads us, and doesn't let our military in (officially anyway), it makes it a little tough to find the bastard.

And in response to that article...
What, you really think we should have accepted that deal? We don't negotiate with terrorists, period. And they'd keep on doing their crap had we taken it, that wouldn't have changed. Their deal was they'll tell us where bin Laden is if we stop bombing them and give them evidence that he was a BG.... oh man what a deal lol.

Agreed.

[Irving]

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[mx'r]

Would an idiot know how to make the USA commit to a costly foreign war for more than 10 years, fighting in the wrong country the entire time, that disrupted the social, economic, and political balance in America? He knew what he was doing, and knew how to do it. He also has a degree in civil engineering.

Well then maybe he should have stuck to building shit instead of destroying it and he would still be alive. He's a TOTAL fucking idiot and he's DEAD because of it. BTW, most civil engineers that I've met are fucking idiots too.

[Irving]

Where did everyone hear of all of this?


I laughed when I got home and read this. I got out of my car on a delivery, and a bum pushing a shopping cart ran up to me and yelled, "Hey, Osama is dead man!"

I shit you not. Poor Grand Junction. :p

[Mtn.man]

Yeah even street peeps have Ipods.

[Jer]

I've been singing this song to myself for a little over 24hrs now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNrdmjcNTc

Anyone else?

[Irving]

Can't see it, but I'm guessing/hoping it is the Team America song.

[Jer]

Can't see it, but I'm guessing/hoping it is the Team America song.

Haha.. that one too but this one is actually Toby Keith - Courtesy of the Red, White & Blue.

[mcantar18c]

+1 what song was it?


EDIT: crap my phone's slow. In the time it took to find the quote button, load the page, type that in, find the submit button, and submit it, ya posted lol. And no the only thing that's been playing in my head since last night is the line "Don't you tell me not to worry bout bin Laden" from the song "Have You Forgotten" by Darryl Worley.

[Mtn.man]

Ding dong the Witch is dead...

[mcantar18c]

Glad I didn't buy that tshirt.... I like these better [Tooth]
I'm definitely getting the first one. Considering the 2nd and third as well.


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(top line says "We will not tire")

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Nothing significant on the back of this one. Love the description, now my sig line lol.

[alxone]

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-50863389838911_2157_24762536

now its time we get that f*ck*ng waldo[ROFL1]

[ghettodub]

)

http://www.rangerup.com/osamaseal.html
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http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-50863389838911_2157_23941922
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I'm ordering this for sure...

[UberTong]

Had to share this, Jon Stewart's commentary on Osama. To kill a mockingturd...[ROFL1]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20110503/bs_yblog_upshot/bin-laden-news-finds-pundits-forsaking-usual-comfort-zones

[bowhunter]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/vtec_teggy/00801625.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w126/kialeh/KILLED.gif

Where did the obama clip come from?

[ghettodub]

Some interesting pictures from the post. Pisses me off with all these people crying and mourning...

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2011/05/pakistani-reactions-to-osama-bin-ladens-death/

[UberTong]

Some interesting pictures from the post. Pisses me off with all these people crying and mourning...

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2011/05/pakistani-reactions-to-osama-bin-ladens-death/

Definitely interesting pictures, I just get a nice warm fuzzy feeling from that peaceful religion of Islam over there.

Did anyone hear Mendenhall's comments? The Steelers RB...

[patrick0685]

Did anyone hear Mendenhall's comments? The Steelers RB...

no what did he say?

[Mtn.man]

Steelers should trade him for 5 goats and send his ass to Pakistan.


At the very least he should now be on the Watch List.

[UberTong]

no what did he say?

''I believe in God. I believe we're ALL his children. And I believe HE is the ONE and ONLY judge.''
''Those who judge others, will also be judged themselves.''
''For those of you who said you want to see Bin Laden burn ... I ask how would God feel about your heart?''
''There is not an ignorant bone in my body. I just encourage you to think.''
Mendenhall's string of tweets ended around 6 p.m. Monday. He has not tweeted since.

When did people get so soft and opinionated that ridding evil is something we have to be apologetic for it and always say the flip side 'pc' comment? I'm stoked that Osama is dead, and off the face of the earth...

[BushMasterBoy]

Obama killed Osama....it rhymes!

[lebru]

When a country supposedly cooperative with us helps hide him, intentionally misleads us, and doesn't let our military in (officially anyway), it makes it a little tough to find the bastard.

And in response to that article...
What, you really think we should have accepted that deal? We don't negotiate with terrorists, period. And they'd keep on doing their crap had we taken it, that wouldn't have changed. Their deal was they'll tell us where bin Laden is if we stop bombing them and give them evidence that he was a BG.... oh man what a deal lol.

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.

[TFOGGER]

I said it before: I'm glad he was neutralized. The taking of a life does no one honor(extra credit if you can name the movie quote). It was a necessary task, as are many others that will not receive anywhere near this level of attention from the average citizen. I'm not really convinced we're any safer after 2 TRILLION dollars have been spent in the "war on terror", but I thank and honor those that have served our country in it's name.

[StagLefty]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

ALL 7-11's & MINI MARTS ARE CLOSED.....Death in the
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[Elhuero]

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.


you have a very narrow minded and flawed understanding of foreign policy and economics.

[Elhuero]

''I believe in God. I believe we're ALL his children. And I believe HE is the ONE and ONLY judge.''
''Those who judge others, will also be judged themselves.''
''For those of you who said you want to see Bin Laden burn ... I ask how would God feel about your heart?''
''There is not an ignorant bone in my body. I just encourage you to think.''
Mendenhall's string of tweets ended around 6 p.m. Monday. He has not tweeted since.

When did people get so soft and opinionated that ridding evil is something we have to be apologetic for it and always say the flip side 'pc' comment? I'm stoked that Osama is dead, and off the face of the earth...


if somebody hassled me about it I'd say "I don't rejoice in death, I rejoice in the doing of justice"

[UberTong]

if somebody hassled me about it I'd say "I don't rejoice in death, I rejoice in the doing of justice"

Well said...


So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.

We can split hairs on 'the war', lets face it. War is never good, it's one of the worst things humankind does. But...war is a necessity, I truly believe that. War is a necessity, because evil is real, tangible and prevalent in our global society. So did we spend all of that money and time, JUST for Osama...no. It makes me wonder from your comment, how should we have reacted according to you? Well...he took responsibility for 9/11 but its really gonna take us a lot of time and money, so we will let this one slide...getcha next time! Do I expect Osama's death to make a radical change? Not at all, but bottom line is that sack of stool killed Americans on our soil, for that...I'd hunt someone for 10 years too.

[patrick0685]

''I believe in God. I believe we're ALL his children. And I believe HE is the ONE and ONLY judge.''
''Those who judge others, will also be judged themselves.''
''For those of you who said you want to see Bin Laden burn ... I ask how would God feel about your heart?''
''There is not an ignorant bone in my body. I just encourage you to think.''
Mendenhall's string of tweets ended around 6 p.m. Monday. He has not tweeted since.

When did people get so soft and opinionated that ridding evil is something we have to be apologetic for it and always say the flip side 'pc' comment? I'm stoked that Osama is dead, and off the face of the earth...

thats why sports players should stick to playing sports

[ChunkyMonkey]

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.

US have not had a terrorist attack since we draw the extremists into those hell holes. He IS the hero for most if not ALL SUNI and many shite muslim groups. Suni and Shite sects are strictly in the middle east. The largest muslim populations in the world are in the South East Asia (completely 2 different sects other than Suni or Shite). They have been using Osama to recruit the young and ignorants that not even the world strongest nation could beat Islam 1444. Well yesterday changes everything.

Do some more research!

NO SOUP FOR THEM!!

[tmckay2]

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.


well to those that lost loved ones on 9/11 it probably was. sure was to me and continues to be and always will be until we rid the world of every terrorist. the moment you start splitting hairs about whether your liberty and safety is worth this amount of money, or this amount of time, or this and that, is the moment you lose the battle. to them, its worth everything. if it isn't worth everything to us, we will sooner or later lose.

i can't believe the death of osama bin laden is honestly being debated as a good thing. i mean i literally cannot bring myself to believe it. imagine if it had been debated whether killing hitler was a good thing. imagine if people in ww2 said "aw shucks, it just isn't worth the time, money and blood". what kind of a world would we live in now? their safety and liberty was threatened, they sacked up and killed the bastards, and we are free today because of it. sure, you kill one evil and another will pop up. its inevitable. but we can't give up or get lazy. if we do, our children's and grandchildren's lives may be drastically different, and far worse, than ours. its been the responsibility of every generation to protect the future for the next generation and allow them to continue the way of life that their ancestors always provided for them. ill be damned if i'm going to take part in being the generation that loses its backbone and screws it up for everyone else.

[mcantar18c]

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.


OK I'm just gonna go through this point by point, make it as clear as possible for ya....


So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting

Yes. I ask you to look through the history books, and please if you can, show me an event where our country saw a greater loss of innocent (civilian) life on American soil at the hands of an enemy (or anything other than a force of nature). 9/11 was the biggest tragedy in terms of loss of life and attempted destabilization that this nation has ever seen. If it had taken 50 years of fighting to serve justice to those responsible, it would be worth it.


So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country

The wrong country? What on God's green Earth makes you think we've been in the wrong country?
Sure, we found OBL in Pakistan (we have been operating in there for quite some time, BTW, so moot point), but guess what? Killing OBL was only one goal in the Global War on Terror. These people HATE us and will attack us no matter what, be it on our soil or theirs. We're simply taking the fight to them so they don't have a chance to bring it back to our shores, and as far as I'm concerned we're doing a pretty damn goo job of it... have we had a [successful] major attack on US soil since 2001? Nope.
And if you're getting at the idea that we should be in Pakistan instead of Afghanistan cause that's were OBL was hiding, you should really do your homework on the dynamic there. The Af-Pak border is nonexistent, and in fact sociologically speaking those two countries do not border each other at all... there is an unofficial entity, Pashtunistan, separating them, and THAT is where most of this is happening.


two wars

If you're referring to Iraq and Afghanistan, you REALLY need to do more of your own research and less listening to the MSM. Iraq is an entirely different conflict, with different motives and different goals.
Iraq: Saddam Hussein was leading a genocide against the Kurds and becoming more of a threat to our national security every day. UN wasn't doing anything, no surprise there. So we go in, dissolve his regime, and capture him. Mission accomplished. Then insurgents popped up to fill the power vacuum. So we work to squash the insurgency while building a legit infrastructure so that we don't end up with another oppressive regime in 10 years. That's a bit of a work in progress.
Afghanistan: "Lets kill us some terrorists. Oh look, they've got deep roots in Afghanistan and Pakistan, lets put our troops there. Oh shit Pak is on our friends list and they say no troops. Ok lets put them in Afghan then." And that's about the gist of it. Had al-Qaeda and the Taliban been operating heavily out of Scottland, or Canada, we'd be fighting there right now instead.


billions of dollars

Iraq: $780 billion.
Afghanistan: $401 billion.
Total: a little over $1 trillion ($1 trillion 180 billion)

US national debt, 2008: $9.6 trillion.
US national debt, 2011: $14.7 trillion.
Difference: $4.1 trillion.

Conclusion: Wars in Iraq and Afganistan are not what we should be looking at with financial concerns.


over 5000 killed or critically wounded

Loss of life and limb is an unfortunate, but obvious and unavoidable byproduct of war. People talk about losing 5000 soldiers in the recent conflicts... personally, I'm thankful — that number is incredibly low given that we've been fighting for almost a decade in multiple countries. More people die in car accidents every-single-year in the US; yes that's right driving on I25 is more hazardous to your health then being shipped to Iraq.


utter destruction of our economic stability

Lets go back to those history books. War is profitable. War stimulates economy, creates jobs, etc. WWII is what brought us out of the Great Depression. Our economy is in the shitter for a number of reasons, but war is not one of them.


Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop

As I've already said responding to your last post, that was not the goal.


he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia.

al-Qaeda is, or was, one of the largest and most well connected terrorist groups in the world, operating out of Iraq, Afghanistan/Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Southeast Asia, Central America, just to name a few. Oh, yeah, and the other groups didn't fly planes into our trade centers. Don't worry though, the other's will get their's when the time comes.


He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups

Right. They have his face printed on every newspaper and magazine over there, praising him and calling him their martyr, beloved leader, etc. because he didn't really have all that big of an influence.
OBL was a major player leading the mujahideen resistance against the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. Mujahideen —> Taliban (kind of). After the USSR invasion he formed al-Qauda, then we went in and OBL fought to protect the people once more from the evil invaders. He was their hero, and his influence stretches across the world.
Taking him out is one of the most significant accomplishments this country will make in our lifetime.


Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect

I have no response to this, other than:
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/9821/facepalmjesus1.jpg


which is why they were going to turn him over.

You can't possibly believe they were actually going to turn him over. That would have gone something like
"OK Taliban we stopped bombing you guys, and we gave you clear evidence that OBL is a bad guy, now tell us where he is"
"We don't think that's very good evidence, but fine. He's over on grid square __, third cave on the left"
*US goes and checks third cave on the left*
"Hey asshats he wasn't there. You lied"
"No we didn't, we swear that's the last place we knew he was. He runs with al-Qaeda now, how do we know where he is?"
And then we're back at square 1.

[spyder]

I laughed when I got home and read this. I got out of my car on a delivery, and a bum pushing a shopping cart ran up to me and yelled, "Hey, Osama is dead man!"

I shit you not. Poor Grand Junction. :p
Our bums don't really get off the benches for anything but a hotdog.
Yeah even street peeps have Ipods.
Well, I'm poor. Wait, ipods get the news now days?

[UberTong]

Well said mccanter18c....my fave quote was 'pointless fighting'....how about gtfo. Try telling pointless fighting to my family member who just got back from his 3rd tour and has LOST men each time, he still wont tell you its pointless. Or the wife, husband, son, daughter of someone in the towers on 9/11.

Anyway, I'm over the OBL topic. He's dead, I am happy justice has been done and we have more work to do here and abroad. Amen.

[Jer]

I have the same tendency, to overuse the word ass in a run on sentence. [ROFL1]

What are you talking about? Look at all those periods. [LOL]

[Scanker19]

Just because people have died doesn't mean it was for a reason. Twist it how you want these wars have taken a completely different direction than when they started. We are more focused on making friends than getting terrorist. I know hearts and minds, but there is a point where we turned this from a go get them defend out nation to building another nation.

I never agreed with the Iraq war and have grown to hate it over the years. We could have easily made them into a puppet friend government. He was more secular, and gave more to women than most arab nations than most give him credit for. They learned their lesson 12 years prior but we had to go in. It would have only taken a few months right. Most deaths are pointless in that shit hole unnecessary war. For what WMDs? Kurds freedom? What about N. Korea, Darfur, and the other oppressed countries in the world? where were we then? What was Iraq doing that was so bad we had to waste 4,000+ plus americans to do? That war was based on lies and for what? shit the mission changed 3 times on the way into Iraq.

Afghanistan had a good reason, but now we are trying to push our culture on them? What are they native americans? where are the missions?
Female engagement teams. They are there to empower the women of Afghanistan as if they men there gave two fucks. That isn't their way of life and will not change over night. Once we tried to change the country is when that war became stupid as well.

Some people need to stop reading Propaganda posters.

The cost isn't, as provided in the example, a big reason for the national debt but it isn't helping either. Things closely related are. Has anyone seen FT Carson recently as compare to what it looked like 5 years ago? Why are they completely rebuilding the commissary? We brought an entire division here and built space for 4/5 of them. Why did we really have too much money?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Gosh, I ll loan you some 'commas' Jordan! Use them!

http://img.artlebedev.com/mandership/105/govno_PCshnoe.jpg


:D

[Scanker19]

Gosh, I ll loan you some 'commas' Jordan! Use them!

http://img.artlebedev.com/mandership/105/govno_PCshnoe.jpg


:D

what i use commas and even write it to wear it was almost readable minus that time that i did not do that but i will accecpt you commas as long a it moves out of the house for that Russain "B"[Tooth]

[Irving]

http://i.imgur.com/bWDmU.png

[tmckay2]

Just because people have died doesn't mean it was for a reason. Twist it how you want these wars have taken a completely different direction than when they started. We are more focused on making friends than getting terrorist. I know hearts and minds, but there is a point where we turned this from a go get them defend out nation to building another nation.

I never agreed with the Iraq war and have grown to hate it over the years. We could have easily made them into a puppet friend government. He was more secular, and gave more to women than most arab nations than most give him credit for. They learned their lesson 12 years prior but we had to go in. It would have only taken a few months right. Most deaths are pointless in that shit hole unnecessary war. For what WMDs? Kurds freedom? What about N. Korea, Darfur, and the other oppressed countries in the world? where were we then? What was Iraq doing that was so bad we had to waste 4,000+ plus americans to do? That war was based on lies and for what? shit the mission changed 3 times on the way into Iraq.

Afghanistan had a good reason, but now we are trying to push our culture on them? What are they native americans? where are the missions?
Female engagement teams. They are there to empower the women of Afghanistan as if they men there gave two fucks. That isn't their way of life and will not change over night. Once we tried to change the country is when that war became stupid as well.

Some people need to stop reading Propaganda posters.

The cost isn't, as provided in the example, a big reason for the national debt but it isn't helping either. Things closely related are. Has anyone seen FT Carson recently as compare to what it looked like 5 years ago? Why are they completely rebuilding the commissary? We brought an entire division here and built space for 4/5 of them. Why did we really have too much money?

the brits found a nuke in iraq way back when buried in the ground. never made much news because we had already determined there were no wmd's. my best friend has toured many-a-chemical weapons facility and seen the ordinance. but wmd's don't exist.

instead of people stopping the reading of propaganda posters, some people need to branch out past major news outlets and check reports, check first hand accounts and smaller news agencies based over there. youll find that we found far more than most americans know.

since you seem to know everything there is to know about war and foreign policy, what would you have us do doctor? we are in afghanistan, we defeated the taliban the first time, now they are making a push and the country is so unstable that it can't support itself. should we up and leave? carpet bomb the cities? bulldoze the towns with tanks? its frustrating but we are doing all that we can do. its not so cut and dry. the good people don't trust us, the bad people look just like the good people, and there is so much corruption that we can't get a decent government in there without just putting in a bunch of puppets which makes the good people trust us even less. all the while we are being shot at and blown up by roadside bombs. if you know ANYTHING about history, the absolute worst thing we can do is go into iraq or afghanistan and leave before stabilizing the country and rebuilding infrastructure.

[Scanker19]

Leaving seemed to be the best thing we did in Vietnam.

Would leaving be bad? Would it make us look like clowns?

Yes. At what point do we stop? When do we stop putting effort towards something with no end?

These wars have done nothing to help us here at home. Gas is close to $4, six year olds are being molested at the airport. Things have gone from bad to worse. Again at what point do we say "this was a bad idea" cut our losses and leave. We are fighting a war with an emotion, because as you said the bad guys look like the good guys. Its very hard to persuade an emotion to an individual little less an entire region of the world. These people have as many stereotypes about us as we about them. There will never be a time where we mark off the last terrorist. The best thing we could do to be proactive at home and be ready to flex if and when the come to us.

I never claimed to know everything, it just seems to me that we are just treading water in these wars, losing lives and money in the process.

[mcantar18c]

New details released, or made up, regarding the raid... confirms the dog....

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/05/17/new-details-in-bin-laden-raid/

[Jer]

New details released, or made up, regarding the raid... confirms the dog....

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/05/17/new-details-in-bin-laden-raid/

"school bus sized chinook"

Really? Did they mean short bus sized?

"their weapons silenced, guaranteeing surprise"

You go popping off 5.56 inside of a building and everyone within that building is going to know after the first shot suppressed (er... I mean 'silenced') or not.

"and a tracking dog named Cairo"

Is nothing classified anymore?!?! What about Cairo's family? Surely Al-Qaeda will use this information to exact revenge.

[Hoosier]

Is nothing classified anymore?!?! What about Cairo's family? Surely Al-Qaeda will use this information to exact revenge.

Haha