Titan Security Doors

[hip55]

In the past few days we have seen a few volatile threads posted with stories of entries into an individual's home without their consent.

We don't have all of the facts as to what happened in those incidents, but we do understand the ramifications that apply to us as upstanding citizens who would vigorously defend their home and family against unidentified intruders.

I began looking for a solution an this is what I have found -a Titan security front door -

http://www.asllocks.com/steel_security_doors.asp

Here's a video -

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Why do I see this as a solution-

If indeed a no knock entry is attempted, a lawful gun owner will have the time to secure their weapons after they realize that it is indeed a team trying to enter their home. That way they won't get into a firefight.

It will also ensure that burglars won't be able to access your home through that door either.

These systems are in the UK and hopefully there is a US manuf that makes them too.

I think that having a speak easy door in the door would be an added plus, as the homeowner would be able to speak directly with any visitor without opening the door.

[hip55]

http://www.asllocks.com/steeldoorimages/titandoor2s.jpg

[hip55]

Found a US manufacturer -

Master Security -

http://www.mastersecuritydoors.com/?tpage=home

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[Hoosier]

Door is a good first step, but then you have windows, and beyond that the actual walls that can be attacked. I'd like to have insulated concrete foam construction for the walls. No idea on what a good secure window solution is. Going to be expensive build out.

H.

[hip55]

The way I look at it is like this-

If for some reason a misdirected group decides that they are going to take down my door, I'll have ample warning of their failure as they decide what to do.

Also, no bad guys are gonna get past it without hitting it with a vehicle.

Either way, my family and I are safe.

I will open the door under my terms.

[Great-Kazoo]

Door is a good first step, but then you have windows, and beyond that the actual walls that can be attacked. I'd like to have insulated concrete foam construction for the walls. No idea on what a good secure window solution is. Going to be expensive build out.

H.

Contact Dennis @ Fantasy in Iron. I don't know if he still does windows and doors as his ventures have him mfg MC products, but it's worth a call. Tell him Jim from up north, who use to work with Greg sent you.

http://local.yahoo.com/info-19605170-fantasy-in-iron-denver

Instead of spending a lot of cash on a Titan style door try this. Locate a complete steel entry fire rated door.
here's one company
http://www.customcraftexteriors.com/steel_fire_rated_doors.html

Any door is only as strong or weak as the frame. I see folks spending lots of money on dead bolts etc. However the actual locking part of it only goes in to the frame maybe 1/2'. And that is in to a wooden frame.

[Irving]

A steel cage around your entry way would be a good solution and is already popular. Basically just like an air lock, that is framed like a steel cage, then dry walled over so it doesn't look like what it really is.

[hip55]

I think I'd rather have a serious door.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think I'd rather have a serious door.

Unless you have serious windows to go with the door, you're screwed. I can't tell you how many homes i have looked at, that have what the client thinks is a strong front door. While i compliment them on the door, i ask, what's to stop me from throwing a lawn chair through the sliding glass door out back?.

[BushMasterBoy]

Serious bunker underground with hidden escape route...you got to protect yourself from the gov anymore. I did not vote for Obozo...

The door is not going to stop them from immediatley hurting you and your family, they will find another way in!

[hip55]

Unless you have serious windows to go with the door, you're screwed. I can't tell you how many homes i have looked at, that have what the client thinks is a strong front door. While i compliment them on the door, i ask, what's to stop me from throwing a lawn chair through the sliding glass door out back?.

I think you missed the point.

As well as stopping burglars from kicking in the door, it will delay everybody so that you can determine what is going on.

A bad guy is going to take a few kicks and then move on.

A team is going to take a few whacks and then talk about what to do.

At least I wont have to confront anyone right away and get my head shot off while trying to determine who's who.

[hip55]

The door is not going to stop them from immediatley hurting you and your family, they will find another way in!

I think it will slow them down so I don't get inadvertently shot.

[HBARleatherneck]

anybody even considered the cost of putting a door like this on each entry into your home?

I would love to have all of my doors super secure. but, there is the expense thing. an angle iron frame around your door and a good fire door would be much cheaper.

a vault door from Liberty starts at $6200. I would expect these doors could cost that much or close.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think you missed the point.

As well as stopping burglars from kicking in the door, it will delay everybody so that you can determine what is going on.

A bad guy is going to take a few kicks and then move on.

A team is going to take a few whacks and then talk about what to do.

At least I wont have to confront anyone right away and get my head shot off while trying to determine who's who.

Sorry, you're not looking at the big picture. Outside of the random home invasion all break ins were planned in advance. They know your routine, time leaving, coming home and how many people are in the house. I don't care if you have 3/8" steel plate, if i want in there is always a way.

Do you know what the biggest deterrent to break ins are outside of a barking dog?? Having any outside lights on, no alternate access to the home, garage doors open etc.
If you make the home look more secure than it is they will move to the next house on the block.
Not to say even with the precautions you take will prevent some form of attempted entry.

As for it being a team "Taking a few whacks" the feds want in they are already sitting down waiting for the coffee to be done.

[hip55]

You guys really misunderstood what this thread is about.

It's not about Feds making coffee after leisurely entering your home or professional burglars casing your house before a break-in.

It's about time, and providing you time to prepare for whoever is trying to kick or knock in your door UNANNOUNCED.

[ldmaster]

Burglary statistics are like zits, everybody has some!

Far and away the most common burglary is by someone who knows you, and your home. Typically, a young person who has had at least casual access to your home and knows things about you - which is why they will go through a window or some other area more easily entered.

Professional burglars are always changing their tactics. The most common is the "knock and enter" scenario, one goes door to door "selling" things - if you answer they try to give you a spiel, usually about something mundane - like replacement windows. If you DONT answer, they alert their accomplices, who follow behind you, you stay on the street going to other doors - while they pull up in the driveway, pop the door, park in the garage and steal you blind. They always have their lookout on the street to tell them if the cops are showing up.

Failure to gain easy entrance usually stops these guys, so this method would work.

But most people aren't burglarized by professionals. There was a rash of burglaries in heather ridge area of aurora a few years back. About 45 of them along the golf course... At the end the burglars were actually entering WHILE the residents were home - using patio doors. Turns out to be two drug users who occupied a 3rd story apartment above the fairways - one did the lookout thing on the balcony, while the other did the burglary.

There are cheaper and better solutions, even to the weak frame problem. It's called barring the door. There are a lot of cheap methods that will help you do this, standard lumber works pretty well. Warning, if you have a NORMAL door, no matter how well you back it with bars, the door itself might fail - best to use a steel clad SOLID core door (fire rated commercial). Barring gets around the weak frame problem, if you do it correctly.

But I've seen the story too, and frankly it's one STATE court ruling in a very specific case - it's almost sure to be thrown out at a higher court and the ACLU is probably on the case as we speak, so the appeal WILL happen (I got an ACLU email about this, so I know they're on it).

We, as citizens, need to start being more active when we talk to your 'representatives' and hold them to the fire when we talk about our civil rights, all too often they'll say one thing to get elected, and totally forget that they promised to be honest and ethical. We should be asking MORE that just "what do you feel about gun rights" we need to get them on videotape making statements that we can hold against them when the time comes, an HONEST politician wont mind one bit. Buy hey... they're politicians!

I like this door though!

[Irving]

I'm with you on your intent Hip.