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bobbyfairbanks
09-09-2011, 00:36
Did I miss something? It seams like every one is going too the M&P. Every tactical course I have seen, has the instructors using them. Adds for tactical has M&P's in pouches. I see cops carrying them. I feel like I really missed out on something and I almost want to buy one just to see if it is any good. But then where would I be. Is it time to sell my 1911's and get another polymer gun? Are they that much better then Glocks and XD's? Ok seriously I would never sell any 1911 and get a polymer. But there is something going on here and I need to know what it is.
sneakerd
09-09-2011, 08:08
Quite simple- they are imho the best polymer-frame pistol out there.
bchase75
09-09-2011, 08:38
Second that. I really like my M&P 40c. Accurate, good trigger, but the thing that really sets it apart for me is the ergonomics. Very comfortable in the hand, and it points very naturally.
sneakerd
09-09-2011, 08:46
I wish there was a dedicated competition model, like Glock has in the 34? Long-slide, etc from the factory. There are also very few add-ons avail for the M&P. I have purchased aluminum base-pads from 10-8, may or may not get the Apex trigger kit, recently found a serviceable magwell from Smart-Lock Technology, also ordered a KKM barrel from Brownells. There really isn't much more out there for the gun.
bchase75
09-09-2011, 08:52
Check out the M&P 9L or the Pro model.....I believe the barrel length is 5 inches on both, and the Pro comes with fiber optic sights.
sneakerd
09-09-2011, 08:56
Mine is the 4.25" Pro Series.
bchase75
09-09-2011, 09:05
Nice....I didn't know they made a Pro series M&P with a 4.25 in. barrel.
I was thinking of this one:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765952_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Seems like it'd be good for competition.
strm_trpr
09-09-2011, 09:06
I would get one but the 45c in tan does not come without a safety!!! I am sick of black guns.
sneakerd
09-09-2011, 09:07
I have considered buying the 9L as well. Still not very many add-ons avail, nor a true competition model. The 9L Pro series is as close as they have at this time.
I want in on the "M&P is awesome" thread, too! I have a 45 with the apex competition trigger and I love it. As a lefty I really like these guns. The ergonomics happen to fit me very well. They've proven first hand to be very reliable across the board. There's a variety of models to choose from. They're just...good. The compact model is also the only clear choice for me* when I get a carry gun. I'm a big (tall with larger hands) guy and I've never held a compact gun that fit me nearly as well.
*Remember I said for me. Your experience may vary.
The M&P is a nice gun with updated options (tac-rail & adjustable backstrap). Most cops don't have the money to go drop on an Hk [Tooth] or FNH so they buy the affordable nice pistol.
....Is it time to sell my 1911's and get another polymer gun? Are they that much better then Glocks and XD's? Ok seriously I would never sell any 1911 and get a polymer....
Well, if you are leaning toward a polymer but have delusions of grandeur about 1911's, look into a polymer 1911, the 2011:
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bobbyfairbanks
09-09-2011, 10:34
Ya know what the kicker is, I was going to buy one of these when they first came out. They where offering a great rebate (or something like that) at the time. The guy at the store I was at said they are junk, don't buy it.
DANGERTASTIC!
09-09-2011, 11:07
The M&P is a nice gun with updated options (tac-rail & adjustable backstrap). Most cops don't have the money to go drop on an Hk [Tooth] or FNH so they buy the affordable nice pistol.
Most cops arent even allowed to carry HK, its gotta be either Sig or Glock.
I sold my XD to buy my M&P, Im glad I did.
Both are my carry pistols. I trust my life with them both.
68Charger
09-09-2011, 12:57
I've been considering an M&P 357c for a new CCW, get a .40S&W barrel, and get 2 calibers... there are also 9mm conversion barrels if you're so inclined.
need to go try one out, they seem to be just what I'm looking for... will have to see who has them locally.
trout_champ
09-09-2011, 16:40
I love my M&P40c also. It is my carry gun and it is easily the best handgun I’ve ever owned. I sold my 4”XD to buy the M&P and I am glad I did. As a bigger than average dude the adjustable back strap is nice and the pinkie extender on my mags are great. And they were free from S&W when I called them. I also like the fact that I can run full size magazines with a little spacer like the XD compact. I am saving up to buy another and maybe a .357 drop in barrel for my 40c.
Randy
I had an M&P 9mm and a Gen 4 Glock 17 and was undecided on which to keep. After installing an Apex Tactical DCAEK trigger and RAM, it was an easy choice. I traded the Glock in towards an AR-15. I shot several hundred rounds through both pistols together outdoors in one long session and consistently shot the M&P more accurately and faster than the Glock. I think the M&P quality is as good as the Glock and they are typically cheaper as well.
Ya know what the kicker is, I was going to buy one of these when they first came out. They where offering a great rebate (or something like that) at the time. The guy at the store I was at said they are junk, don't buy it.
The guy at the gun store either had a bad experience with one on a rare day, or is just stupid and talking out his ass.
68Charger
09-12-2011, 13:55
Based on the latest catalog, it appears they have dropped .357sig from the M&P lineup...
it's a shame, because there's not much difference between a .40S&W and a .357sig? It's a different barrel, and maybe a recoil spring (I don't belive there's a different on the M&P platform on the recoil spring), and the marking on the slide- they use the same mags, even.
so sales were so low that they couldn't continue to bother with making another barrel?
so now if I want to continue down this road, I'll either have t hunt for a M&P357c, or get a M&P40c and a Lone Wolf or KKM barrel to shoot .357sig
or just give up and get a Sig... [Pepsi](but I like Ambi controls)
With the .45 compact how does it compare to a glock 30 as far as weight and width of the slide?
sneakerd
09-12-2011, 14:49
By the way- I have found the ultimate Kydex holster and mag pouch set for the M&P- or any others for the matter. Look up Comp-Tac on the internet. Superb stuff, fairly priced. Just got the competition set, holster plus double mag pouch. Could not be happier. We all know what it's like to try to find the right holster rig.
Based on the latest catalog, it appears they have dropped .357sig from the M&P lineup...
I saw it on the S&W website when I was checking if they made the 40c in tan. Just checked again and it's still there.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757956_-1_757781_757781_image
68Charger
09-12-2011, 18:04
it's on their website, but not in their catalog:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/2011_Catalog_PartI.pdf
check pages 15-16, no .357sig
NM, Found it in their LE & Mil catalog- does that mean it's restricted sales?
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/2010_SW_LawEnforcementCatalog_1.pdf
Bobby, people can only see my mediocre results at the IDPA matches for so long before they go out and buy their own.
bobbyfairbanks
09-12-2011, 22:39
I don't know how I wold respond to that.
blacklabel
09-12-2011, 22:43
Bobby, people can only see my mediocre results at the IDPA matches for so long before they go out and buy their own.
Awesome gun+terrible shooter=mediocre results?
It would sell me.
[ROFL1]
sneakerd
09-12-2011, 22:52
I've put quite a few rounds and/or owned most of the major manuf polymer pistols. Glock, I've had 4 I think. XD, I've owned one and never looked back. HKs, a few- including the P2000. Beyond the polymers.... 226- I've owned 4. 228- 1, CZ75- 1, Browning HP- 2, I could go on if you make me. The M&P 9mm Pro Series is superior to all I've shot.
The biggest reason I think people go with the M&P is comfort. It fits, and it fits well. If it doesn't fit, change out the backstrap and it will usually fit nicely after. More companies should make their guns adjustable to the shooter's hand. The more comfortable you are, the better you are going to shoot, it's not rocket science. As far as reliability goes, it is a good to great gun, not amazing or anything, but damn good. My 45 had only failed to feed a few times in a couple hundred rounds. I would trust it, and like I said, comfortable. Oh ya, and it has a tac rail. Did I mention easy to tear down and clean?
Bailey Guns
09-13-2011, 07:14
By the way- I have found the ultimate Kydex holster and mag pouch set for the M&P- or any others for the matter. Look up Comp-Tac on the internet. Superb stuff, fairly priced. Just got the competition set, holster plus double mag pouch. Could not be happier. We all know what it's like to try to find the right holster rig.
I bought my first Comp-Tac holster about 10 years ago. Where ya been???
[Coffee]
But you're right, great company, great product and great service. Sign up for their newsletter, too.
Glock owned the LE handgun market for a long time and still has more than their share of it.
Smith & Wesson has a lot to offer in their guns that make them more desirable over a Glock to LE agencies:
You don't have to pull the trigger to disassemble the gun.
Interchangeable back-straps...though Glock offers this now, they were a little late to the party.
An American company that offers screamin' package discounts (gun & gear) to LE agencies.They do have a long way to go to catch up with Glock on aftermarket support and accessories. But Glock's been in the combat Tupperware business a lot longer than S&W.
I still haven't decided if limiting their .45 caliber gun to 10 rounds (I know...they offer that abortion-looking hi-cap mag) was a smart idea or not. I guess in the long run it doesn't matter...it doesn't to me, anyway. But so many people are on the "capacity is king" band-wagon they may have missed the boat on that.
For most people, I don't think there's any question the M&P is more comfortable than the Glock. I own one Glock...a 19...and really like shooting it. I even carry it on occasion. Parts are plentiful and they're exceedingly easy to repair on the rare occasion they need repair. Pretty hard to argue with their track record. I've owned a couple of M&P pistols but I'm just not into polymer guns.
Like lots of others, I like the 1911.
Thank God for diversity!
sneakerd
09-13-2011, 09:54
It does occasionally take me some time to catch on!!!
sneakerd
09-15-2011, 15:00
And.... just got the email from Brownells- my new KKM barrel and HD springs are on the way now. With a little luck, maybe they'll show Saturday so I'll have them in time for the range Sunday morning!!
sneakerd
09-17-2011, 16:54
Got the new match barrel today! It's in the gun so we'll see how it shoots tomorrow morning.
trout_champ
09-17-2011, 21:19
Got the new match barrel today! It's in the gun so we'll see how it shoots tomorrow morning.
+1! How does it fit? I’m looking to get one.
Randy
Honor Bound
05-13-2012, 20:54
One thing that separates the M&Ps from Glocks is their grip angel.
M&Ps match the same grip angle as 1911s. Glocks do not.
Not sure if it's already been stated but Colorado State Patrol carry the M&P 40.
Broadsword
05-15-2012, 12:54
I carry a sidearm for a living. A company I worked for issued me an M&P 40 and sent me to two gun schools over a three week period. When I got home from those schools I sold my 1911 and bought a brand new M&P9. I have never looked back.
Broadsword
1000 rounds through my m&p 9 without any issues. I shoot everything from federal to wwb and lead reloads. I installed the apex kit and this thing has a better trigger than some 1911's. For the money, you cant beat the m&p
Lex_Luthor
05-16-2012, 10:52
Ok, question: M&P compact model, best to choose a model with or without the thumb safety?
bchase75
05-16-2012, 11:07
My M&P 40C doesn't have a thumb safety, but that's how I like it. If you prefer thumb safeties on this kind of firearm, I say go for it, but for me personally I don't see a need for it with this particular pistol.
[ROFL2]
Ok, question: M&P compact model, best to choose a model with or without the thumb safety?
If you're really on the fence you can get it with the safety and remove it without too much trouble.
Teufelhund
05-16-2012, 12:55
I removed the thumb safety from my M&P, only took a few minutes. You only have to knock out one roll pin; the armorer's tool in the grip of the pistol works perfect for this.
If you email S&W and ask them for the little plugs to fill in the holes that are left when you remove the safety, they will mail them to you for free.
Lex_Luthor
05-16-2012, 13:54
Awesome! Thanks guys. I think I'm getting convinced to give the M&Pc a chance.
Since you want a small gun, go ahead and look at the Shield.
Lex_Luthor
05-16-2012, 14:24
The Shields are super nice. I do really like them. I suppose that 8 shots is still good, but I think I could still conceal a 9c or 40c pretty easily. I kind of like the idea of having an extra 4 rounds per mag + 1 in the chamber. Haven't fully decided yet.
One difference that the M&Pc has over the shield is that they support the standard mags. With an added sleeve you now have a full-size grip which is fantastic for the range. Depends on what you want out of the gun but it's a benefit I really enjoy.
Lex_Luthor
05-16-2012, 14:55
One difference that the M&Pc has over the shield is that they support the standard mags. With an added sleeve you now have a full-size grip which is fantastic for the range. Depends on what you want out of the gun but it's a benefit I really enjoy.
That's something that draws me to it as well. I like that similarity with my XD.
I compete with my 40c and would not with a Shield.
Lex_Luthor
05-16-2012, 15:13
Sometime, could I possibly tag along with you to the range? I have yet to shoot a .40 and would like to see if I would dig it in a carry gun.
Of course. I've got a friend who wants to shoot a gun for the first time. If I ever get around to setting it up I'll let you know. Probably be at the Shootist.
Have had a 40c and a full size 45, neither with the safety. I have loved them and would not want the thumb safety. Just my .02
Lex_Luthor
05-17-2012, 09:03
I might buy the one with the thumb safety and then take it out like Fromk and Teufelhund mentioned above. It's selling for cheaper. And if S&W would send me a pin to put in its place, should be pretty simple. Now, just to decide whether or not to sell my XD... hahaha
SoSleepy
05-17-2012, 09:43
Since you want a small gun, go ahead and look at the Shield.
Yeah, I've been thinking about adding the 9c or a shield to the rotation as well. I haven't had a chance to try the shield yet but I've heard that it has a better trigger than the 9c (or 40c). This is all the shooters personal preference of course. Anyone want weigh in on this? I have also heard that S&W might be putting the shield style trigger set up on the new M&P's and, as previously stated, the extra capacity and mag options of the 9c are a nice feature over the shield. Really want top give the M&P a shot (9c or 9 shield) so any advice/input on the pros/cons would be much appreciated. Is there much of a difference between the shield and compact besides the width?
Teufelhund
05-17-2012, 09:53
If you get one with the safety and decide to remove it, here's a good instructional video. This guy is no gunsmith, but he demonstrates what you need to know to remove the safety:
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He doesn't do it in this video, but installing the tiny polymer plugs in the holes was the hardest part IMHO; they fit very tight (held in by friction) and are hard to hold onto. Maybe I just have fat fingers. Good luck!
MuzzleFlash
05-18-2012, 02:54
I carry a M&P 40c. I added Trijicon night sights and later added the CT laser. The mag in the gun is a 10rnd compact mag. The spare mag is a full size 15 rounder with the sleeve because if I have to go to mag #2, I'm in a world of shit.
CDNN has been selling M&Ps for about a year now. I got a full size this week in .357 with the 4.25" barrel for $399 + $23 for overnight FedEx. I like the fact that you can buy a drop in .40 barrel and be up in another cheaper caliber in under a minute. The .40 and .357 use the same mags. I need to look into the Apex trigger for the full size. For the carry gun, I think the factory trigger should suffice.
madmike283
05-23-2012, 19:45
...but I've heard that it has a better trigger than the 9c (or 40c). This is all the shooters personal preference of course. Anyone want weigh in on this?
I just handled a Shield for the first time this evening. BluCore had just got one in before I left. The trigger is better than the M&P IMO. The Shield has a shorter take-up and smoother than the gritty M&P. Can't tell if the reset is any better.
I would choose a Shield for carry, but I already have a 4.25" and 5" fun gun in 9mm.
Singlestack
05-23-2012, 20:49
I absolutely love the Shield! Have 575 flawless rounds thru mine. It shoots better than I do and the recoil seems (to me, at least) to be comparable to a 9c that I rented. Have on order a Garrett Industries Silent thunder STX OWB holster in Coyote Brown; already have a K2 dual magazine carrier for it. Plan to get a full size later this year; hopefully by then they will have the Shield trigger shipping in the other M&P models. I put the rubberized Talon grips on it, and it feels fantastic.
Singlestack
Lex_Luthor
05-25-2012, 09:32
I absolutely love the Shield! Have 575 flawless rounds thru mine. It shoots better than I do and the recoil seems (to me, at least) to be comparable to a 9c that I rented. Have on order a Garrett Industries Silent thunder STX OWB holster in Coyote Brown; already have a K2 dual magazine carrier for it. Plan to get a full size later this year; hopefully by then they will have the Shield trigger shipping in the other M&P models. I put the rubberized Talon grips on it, and it feels fantastic.
Singlestack
Do you carry it with the safety disengaged? Or safety on? My sister just got a M&P40 Shield, and she LOVES it. When I first heard about them coming out, I suggested she go take a look at them and she absolutely fell in love.
Lex_Luthor
05-30-2012, 08:56
Just got a M&P40c with Crimson Trace grips and man oh man, I'm loving it already. Can't wait to shoot it! [Flower]
Gravy Sandwich
06-28-2012, 07:43
Recently switched to a 5" M&P Pro with Apex trigger components for matches, and am very impressed with it. If the Performance Center sear I pulled out of the Pro works in a Shield, I'm all over it.
Love my M&P 9 4.25". Took some advice from FromK and got a APEX DCAEK along with the RAM. I have Ameriglo NS for it and it shoots amazing. The APEX components makes a world of a difference.
Recently picked up a 9c for carry and thinking of switching the NS and DCAEK kit over to it and buying the competition kit for my 4.25"
Absolutely obsessed with these guns!
The M&P pistols rock [Beer]
I own three of them myself. They are very reliable and easy to work on. I am not an official "Gunsmith" but I have done about 30 M&P trigger jobs and they are always easy to work on and you can make a really kick ass trigger action. You can make an M&P trigger as good as a high end 1911 trigger job for a faction of the cost. $50 in parts and a few hours of elbow grease can produce a significantly reduced pre/over travel with a very crisp 2 - 2.5lb trigger pull.
For the USPSA competition shooters who like to compete in the Production division the M&P is a hard act to follow.
One thing that separates the M&Ps from Glocks is their grip angel.
M&Ps match the same grip angle as 1911s. Glocks do not.
Not sure if it's already been stated but Colorado State Patrol carry the M&P 40.
Grip angle on all of those the same.
Its the grip ergos that are different. Glock has a stupid hump on the back of the grip, but the angle is tha same.
Cylinder Head
07-03-2012, 22:42
Grip angle on all of those the same.
Its the grip ergos that are different. Glock has a stupid hump on the back of the grip, but the angle is tha same.
Depending how you measure it:
Glock- 18 degrees
1911- 13 degrees
Not the same.
Marine24
07-09-2012, 08:09
Ran a 100 rounds of Freedom Munitions FMJ and JHP 9mm ammo through my M&P Pro without any issues. Loading the magazine seemed a little different compared to my 1911.
The M&P will need Apex's forward set sear and trigger kit to get closer to my 1911.
Couldn't do much on accuracy given the typical poor lighting at the indoor range and not having my reading/shooting glasses with me. Despite that, most of the hits were about on inch low at 6 o'clock on the bullseye shooting at 15 yards. Blame crappy sight picture for that.
Overall, good piece of gear.
grubby669
07-11-2012, 01:56
Love my M&P 9 4.25". Took some advice from FromK and got a APEX DCAEK along with the RAM. I have Ameriglo NS for it and it shoots amazing. The APEX components makes a world of a difference.
Recently picked up a 9c for carry and thinking of switching the NS and DCAEK kit over to it and buying the competition kit for my 4.25"
Absolutely obsessed with these guns!
I have the APEX FSS Comp. In my 4.25 M&P 9 and absolutely love it.
I'm doing some debating on getting a shield now too! The factory trigger on that thing is 100x better then the stock M&P's.
wildkcars
07-12-2012, 10:23
+1 for FSS it improves all aspects of the trigger. Hated the hinge and the mushy feel in my pro. I hated the MP when I first bought it. I was a glock guy. I never could hit anything with my glocks but I loved them. Went to MP to 1000 rounds or so but I am a hard core convert MP is more accurate the any glock I have ever owned. The ergo of the grip and controls just feels more natural and fits better. Love em I quess is what i am saying. Hinged trigger is still stupid though.
Any of you guys ever switch from XDM to M&P? What are your likes/dislikes comparatively
Marine24
07-12-2012, 13:28
I compared both the XDM Competiton and M&P Pro in 9mm before settling on the M&P.
I was looking for a 5" or greater barrel with fiber optic front sight, which both provided.
What swung me to the M&P Pro was ergonomics, just fit in my hand better and lower bore axis compared to the XDM Comp.
Price on the M&P Pro was also cheaper.
What tripped the scale for me was the fit.
Tinelement
07-12-2012, 13:29
Just picked this up and ran over to the range.
Wow! What a sweet girl!! I'm hooked.
First 10 trigger pulls. First one was a flyer, corrected and it was on. Very happy with the first run. Look forward to getting some more rounds down range.
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/61b8520a.jpg
Just picked this up and ran over to the range.
Wow! What a sweet girl!! I'm hooked.
First 10 trigger pulls. First one was a flyer, corrected and it was on. Very happy with the first run. Look forward to getting some more rounds down range.
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/61b8520a.jpg
I was drooling over this gun
Tinelement
07-12-2012, 14:13
I was drooling over this gun
Me too. Just took some liquid courage to send the I'll take it!!
[ROFL1]
Marine24
07-13-2012, 12:35
For those still kicking around the idea of dropping in a forward set sear trigger kit in to the M&P, don't wait. Rob at Bower's Tactical just dropped one in my M&P Pro, plus a reset assist mechanism.
Even though the Pro series is supposed to have better triggers, they still can be improved upon. Work Rob did made it as 1911 like as you can probably make a striker fired pistol. Very little take up with the crisp break of a quality 1911 trigger.
At Apek's recommendation, Rob kept the stock trigger return spring that set the trigger pull around the 3lb mark. If you use the trigger return spring that comes in the FSS kit, pull weight is in the 3.75-4lb range according to Apek.
If you don't mind my asking how much was the kit/install from Bower's? I've been pondering getting mine done.
grubby669
07-13-2012, 13:32
For those still kicking around the idea of dropping in a forward set sear trigger kit in to the M&P, don't wait. Rob at Bower's Tactical just dropped one in my M&P Pro, plus a reset assist mechanism.
Even though the Pro series is supposed to have better triggers, they still can be improved upon. Work Rob did made it as 1911 like as you can probably make a striker fired pistol. Very little take up with the crisp break of a quality 1911 trigger.
At Apek's recommendation, Rob kept the stock trigger return spring that set the trigger pull around the 3lb mark. If you use the trigger return spring that comes in the FSS kit, pull weight is in the 3.75-4lb range according to Apek.
I did the install on mine myself! It is the best mod I have ever done to a handgun period! I would not hesitate to do it again. If I decide to get a 9c it will have the apex stuff on it before it even hits the range!
Marine24
07-13-2012, 13:38
If you don't mind my asking how much was the kit/install from Bower's? I've been pondering getting mine done.
It was $195.43 out the door. FSS kit was $159.95 plus $22.00 for the RAM kit, which is in line with pricing at Brownells and Apex. I didn't look at the detailed receipt, but appears Rob installed it for free.
I know a number of people who have done it themselves, but easier for me to just drop it off instead of me chasing small springs around the garage.
Tinelement
07-13-2012, 14:57
Took the M&P out next to my G19 today. I know I should be really comparing it to the G17, but I don't one, so there!! [ROFL1]
Anyway. 7 yards. 124 GR Winchester FMJ. Wasn't pulling the trigger as fast as I could, but was't taking 10 seconds to aim either. Just a steady speed. I shot 10 from the M&P and then immediately shot 10 from the G19. Reloaded and did the same again. I consider myself a very average shooter!!
I was really happy with the results and am REALLY pleased with the M&P. I have about 200 rounds thru it in the last two days. I shoot it right up there with my 1911's. I can see how they are compared.
Thought I'd share!
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/b317b58b.jpg
sneakerd
07-13-2012, 22:19
The more you shoot that M&P, the better it will get!
longrange2
07-15-2012, 07:20
I need to add these parts to my M&P 9C. The trigger pull is not bad but you can't even feel the trigger reset, very mushy.
Marine24
07-16-2012, 05:48
Yeah, that about describes my trigger on the Pro. I'm still learning about trigger reset but you could feel it if you know what you are looking for, but with the RAM, the reset has a more pronounced feel and you can hear it
josh7328
07-16-2012, 12:44
I had a 9c that I stole from my wife. Absolutely amazing gun. We fired quite a few rounds through it, even using crappy steel cased ammo, and it never hiccuped. It was the most accurate and reliable gun I've ever shot in its size and caliber. The thing that made me get rid of it, was the grip. Yeah, yeah, I know 99% of people love the ergos of the pistol, however for my hands and grip, it seemed akward to hold, no matter which backstraps I used. If your hands work with the M&P, GO FOR IT! It is an amazing pistol. Using Tulammo, I could keep a full magazine in the head of an M9 target standing at 25 yards firing at a decent pace. After getting rid of the M&P, I tried a gen 4 G23 (lousiest pistol I've ever owned), an LC9(good gun, hard to shoot), a 1911 officer (Jam...Jam...Jam) and finally ended up with an XDM .45 compact. The Springer has been the only pistol yet that I felt was on par with the M&P, with a grip that works for me.
I love my 1911's, no question, BUT, I am now 73 with arthritis in my hands - very few working joints left in my fingers. HOWEVER, I tried an M&P Shield in 9mm. It is my new concealed carry friend. Fits my hands, easy smooth trigger, etc. etc. My son and grandson now each own one, too!
Well, I'd say my shooting has improved a great deal since this thread was started.
blacklabel
10-10-2015, 18:55
What sights are you guys running on your M&Ps? I'm thinking about the Ameriglo I-Dots but I'm not convinced.
What sights are you guys running on your M&Ps? I'm thinking about the Ameriglo I-Dots but I'm not convinced.
Lol. Zombie thread. [zombie1]
I have the Ameriglo I-dots on one of my Glocks and really like them. I had a set of the Heine "straight eights" on a previous pistol and liked them too and the Ameriglo ones seem just as nice.
blacklabel
10-10-2015, 19:46
Lol. Zombie thread. [zombie1]
I have the Ameriglo I-dots on one of my Glocks and really like them. I had a set of the Heine "straight eights" on a previous pistol and liked them too and the Ameriglo ones seem just as nice.
Gotta keep HBAR off my back.
Do you find them quicker to aquire than 3dots?
Factory 3 dots with the rear blacked out with permanent marker.
I've never been a huge fan of three dot sights, especially in the dark. Seems too east to get confused about which dot is which. Lol.
I find it pretty easy to stack two dots like a little snowman. Hard to screw it up even in the dark.
blacklabel
10-10-2015, 20:18
Factory 3 dots with the rear blacked out with permanent marker.
I think I'll give that a shot before I put out the money for new sights.
I removed the thumb safety from my M&P, only took a few minutes. You only have to knock out one roll pin; the armorer's tool in the grip of the pistol works perfect for this.
If you email S&W and ask them for the little plugs to fill in the holes that are left when you remove the safety, they will mail them to you for free.
Can you still do this? Can you do this with the Shield as well?
I think I'll give that a shot before I put out the money for new sights.
I do the same thing Irvng mentioned on some of my handguns. Except I black out the rear dots with a sharpie and then fill the front dot with neon green fingernail polish. Really draws my attention to the front sight.
I think I'll give that a shot before I put out the money for new sights.
I do the same thing Irvng mentioned on some of my handguns. Except I black out the rear dots with a sharpie and then fill the front dot with neon green fingernail polish. Really draws my attention to the front sight.
I shot a Glock with Warren tactical sights and really liked that sight picture. It is just a hi-viz red front with plain black rear. Ray is onto something and I'd like to try that myself.
I like the plain black rear sight with a noticeable front sight. I have the Warren Tactical ones you mentioned on my 34 and my 43 wears a plain black rear blade with a tritium front with a yellow ring around it.
Oh, and what I do like about the I-dot sights is that the rear dot isn't even hardly noticeable during the daytime. Kind of like having a plain black rear sight. But in the dark it gives you a point of reference for the rear sight.
So where do you guys focus when checking your sight picture before pulling the trigger? I focus on the front sight, but more to make sure the "block" of the front sight is level with the rear, with the same amount of light on both sides. I don't really look at the dots so much. At least I don't think I do.
You're supposed to look at the sights? Well, I'll be damned.
Might have to give that a try at the next match. Might help my scores.
Only beyond 7 yards or when shooting bowling pins. :p
kidicarus13
10-10-2015, 21:25
I've never been a huge fan of three dot sights, especially in the dark. Seems too east to get confused about which dot is which.
Just choose a contrasting front sight...
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Teufelhund
11-05-2015, 19:07
Can you still do this? Can you do this with the Shield as well?
The M&P hasn't changed. It's still easy to remove the safety. I followed a video on YouTube and it was super easy. The Shield has a different safety though; I don't know if it's possible to remove it.
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