View Full Version : M&P apex trigger kit questions?
nathan0259
05-20-2012, 22:01
I shot my M&P today and the trigger is dog poo. My question is what is the best bang for your buck to improve it? I have read that all you need is the hard seaer and I have also read that the duty/carry kit is the way to go. So to the the guys that have done both or one what say you?
It depends on what you want out of the trigger. The sear is a must and the entire DCAEK or CAEK kits are a great place to start. I installed the CAEK minus the striker spring (already light enough w/o it) and here is what changed for me:
Got rid of the "false" reset, reduced take up and over travel, lightened trigger pull (guessing around 3 lbs), crisp break, and smooth pull.
However, the trigger pull wont get much lighter if you just use the DCAEK. Hope this helps
nathan0259
05-20-2012, 22:24
Perfect answer, thank you. Does it have a more positive reset now? That was really messing with me.
I've also been thinking about an Apex kit. If installed, will it take me out of the Stock Service Pistol class in IDPA?
rustycrusty
05-21-2012, 00:30
do all be trigger work you want- as long as it doesn't make it SA only you are fine.
heavily modified trigger (as long as safeties are intact) IDPA approved
don't you dare stipple that frame though- kicks you into ESP
I was wondering about that. My removable back piece is stippled, but no one has ever said anything about it. Does that still count? Thanks for the info by the way.
rustycrusty
05-21-2012, 01:03
that baffles me. manual says checkering or stippling anywhere is a no go in SSP
upside is that they wont check.
sorry to derail thread topic
Perfect answer, thank you. Does it have a more positive reset now? That was really messing with me.
Its hard to say. The reset is better for me because my m&p had a false reset before it would actually reset if that makes sense. So with that gone, I know when it has reset but I dont really think it is any more positive or distinct. You could always try out the RAM from apex if you still dont like the reset after installing the kit. I dont have any exp. with it though.
I have this info in other threads but it's worth repeating. I would not recommend putting the competition kit on an M&P with no manual safety unless it's strictly a competition gun. My 45 has it and that thing is pretty light. While doing the installation I thought about removing the safety since everything was taken apart. After I went out to the range I changed my mind real quick. Sounds like Trigg3er Happy had a good tip up there. Also keep in mind that the trigger will work itself out after you put some rounds through it.
I've also thought about the RAM but it's a little pricey for something I'm not sure if I need.
nathan0259
05-21-2012, 21:16
I have this info in other threads but it's worth repeating. I would not recommend putting the competition kit on an M&P with no manual safety unless it's strictly a competition gun. My 45 has it and that thing is pretty light. While doing the installation I thought about removing the safety since everything was taken apart. After I went out to the range I changed my mind real quick. Sounds like Trigg3er Happy had a good tip up there. Also keep in mind that the trigger will work itself out after you put some rounds through it.
I've also thought about the RAM but it's a little pricey for something I'm not sure if I need.
Not doing the competition kit, I want the duty/carry kit
A competent gunsmith should be able to make an M&P trigger really nice with a smooth and crisp 3 - 3.5lb pull without needing to swap any parts. This is done by optimizing what is already there.
If you want a more pronounced trigger reset sound and feel the APEX RAM kit will do just that.
MileHighOutlaw
07-04-2012, 21:35
Who in town has the Apex parts in stock to do a trigger job? I just purchased a V Tac model and not to impressed with the stock trigger.
I would like to know also who has these. Or who would be a competent smith to rework what I have.
sneakerd
07-04-2012, 22:10
FYI- I have found that the M&P trigger (including the Shield) gets better the more rounds you put down the pipe. I've put approx 2500 rounds thru both of my Pro Series 9mm M&Ps, and would not try to change it unless you gave me the kit. I also suggest a "recoil reduction" captured spring kit by Sprinco. Excellent quality, and it WORKS.
DO you have a link for the spring recoil kit? I would like to find one of these trigger kits local
sneakerd
07-04-2012, 22:27
online only- the company is called Sprinco. $80- you'll have it in a couple of days. I put it in both of mine- after making sure it worked as advertised in one.
sneakerd
07-04-2012, 22:34
By the way- from what I have seen- the finish on the VTAC guns is extremely fragile, at least on the tan guns.
MileHighOutlaw
07-05-2012, 11:10
I wouldn't say it was fragile but it does seem to wear quickly. It is going to be my carry in the woods gun so I'm sure it's going to get some wear and tear. Thanks for the info on the springs I went and ordered mine today!
A competent gunsmith should be able to make an M&P trigger really nice with a smooth and crisp 3 - 3.5lb pull without needing to swap any parts. This is done by optimizing what is already there.
If you want a more pronounced trigger reset sound and feel the APEX RAM kit will do just that.
Agreed. I did it myself in about 15 minutes and I'm not a trained gunsmith. I just knew where to buff and polish a little bit. It's even smoother now after a thousand rounds following the polish.
Sorry to jump on a dead thread, but I have an M&P9 and 40 and both have the carry APEX kits on them. Ping me if you are still looking at this option.
Thanks!
NightCat
09-07-2012, 12:01
If you're close to me too, hit me up if ya want someone to help with the DCAEK...I did mine in like, 30m. Super easy. definitely worth it!
rockymtnrifleman
10-11-2012, 20:09
I have the apex trigger sear in mine, got it that way on a trade from a COAR member on a trade. Its far better than the stock M&P trigger, on my 40 that I had i couldnt feel the reset at all!!!, my M&P 45 you could feel the reset. I prefer the apex trigger sear over stock EVERY time! and for $40 you can't beat it.
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2012, 23:01
Its hard to say. The reset is better for me because my m&p had a false reset before it would actually reset if that makes sense. So with that gone, I know when it has reset but I dont really think it is any more positive or distinct. You could always try out the RAM from apex if you still dont like the reset after installing the kit. I dont have any exp. with it though.
This kit?
What about them saying it does not work with the mag disconnect models and Don't they all have the mag disconnect??
RAM S&W M&P RESET ASSIST MECHANISM
This product works in Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm, .357 Sig and .40 S&W models only that DO NOT INCLUDE a thumb safety, Magazine Disconnect or the Internal Locking SystemPRODUCT
WILL NOT WORK IN VTAC VARIANT DUE TO CHANGE IN SEAR HOUSING BLOCK CONFIGURATION
Mine doesn't have a mag disconnect, but I bought it about 4 years ago.
I bought a 45 when they first came out with the thumb safety and mag disconnect. They can both be removed. I wonder if that means the ram kit would work. No idea.
The 9c and Pro I got in recent years have neither of those things.
So anybody have an idea what removes the grittiness in the takeup? Some say replacing the sear, and some say replacing the striker block... So is it the sear or the striker block? Or could it be both? The shape of Apex's striker block and the hardness and polish look like they would really be the key to removing the grit.
I've got a 40 pro, and I'm quite happy with the trigger break, and just want to get rid of the gritty take up. So I'd like to just replace the striker block if I can get away with it since they're only like $35.
All of the grit is from the striker block. I've put the kits in one piece at a time to isolate what each part does to the feel.
All of the grit is from the striker block. I've put the kits in one piece at a time to isolate what each part does to the feel.
Thanks, you rock J! Just the answer I needed and a quick response. This will save me about $60 worth of incidentals.
Gonna order one tonight :)
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