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Anyone ever get one? I heard you don't have to pay a red light or speeding ticket unless a cop physically hands it to you.
I got one and had to pay it.
Trying to find the news article where its only valid if the cops hands you the ticket.
Scanker19
05-29-2012, 15:42
Trying to find the news article where its only valid if the cops hands you the ticket.
If by valid you mean counts towards points and insurance, yes.
I was told when I got caught speeding by one that an officer reviews every ticket before they are sent out.
If by valid you mean counts towards points and insurance, yes.
I was told when I got caught speeding by one that an officer reviews every ticket before they are sent out.
Yeah there's an officer name on it.
I researched this a few months ago when the wife was busted for running a red light.
Basically you have to hide out for 90 (?) days. Don't answer the door, watching for cop cars parked in your neighborhood when you're coming & going, etc. If your out mowing the lawn and they stop by then you just got tagged not only with the ticket but now with additional fees.
If your a single guy in an apt. go ahead and give it a try. Kids and spouse potentially could sort of complicate things if everybody isn't on the same page.
I paid, it was easier than hiding out for 3 months.
Robb
I researched this a few months ago when the wife was busted for running a red light.
Basically you have to hide out for 90 (?) days. Don't answer the door, watching for cop cars parked in your neighborhood when you're coming & going, etc. If your out mowing the lawn and they stop by then you just got tagged not only with the ticket but now with additional fees.
If your a single guy in an apt. go ahead and give it a try. Kids and spouse potentially could sort of complicate things if everybody isn't on the same page.
I paid, it was easier than hiding out for 3 months.
Robb
I just don't like the idea that if you drive my car and get caught the ticket will be under my name.
Tinelement
05-29-2012, 15:51
I got a speeding ticket via camera up in the Fort. It was like $40 so I just paid it.
I didn't contest it since in the picture I was pulling on a Coors Light. Figured I wouldn't push my luck!
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Emoticons/15b6d0f9.gif
Anyone ever get one? I heard you don't have to pay a red light or speeding ticket unless a cop physically hands it to you.
Thats what i told my girlfriend when she got one. She didnt pay. When she got served by the sheriff guess who ended up paying for her fee to be served.
[NoClue]
OneGuy67
05-29-2012, 15:55
I just don't like the idea that if you drive my car and get caught the ticket will be under my name.
Deagler,
If I understand what you just posted, someone else was driving your vehicle and they sent you the ticket. If that is correct, you can send in a copy of your driver's license and sign the form stating you weren't the driver at the time of the ticket and they will dismiss it.
JohnTRourke
05-29-2012, 15:55
DON'T PAY IT
the law says you have to be personally served.
Now they can charge you for serving you and then you do have to pay it, but it simply doesn't happen. They have other $hit to do than chase down a $40 ticket.
tear it up, throw it away.
Haven't paid one yet.
Paying them because it's just a little bit of money encourages this bullshit revenue crap and makes it profitable. If everyone stood up just a little and stopped licking boots, this $hit would stop.
Scanker19
05-29-2012, 16:03
Just get rid of them like they did here in the Springs, something about them not helping or some bullshit like that.
airborneranger
05-29-2012, 16:23
Just get rid of them like they did here in the Springs, something about them not helping or some bullshit like that.
They also cost too much money.
BushMasterBoy
05-29-2012, 16:29
I had one of those cameras flash me in the eyes so I almost wrecked...fing stupid devices. I never got a ticket. Whats next robocops? Wish some taggers would go spray all the cameras!
Deagler,
If I understand what you just posted, someone else was driving your vehicle and they sent you the ticket. If that is correct, you can send in a copy of your driver's license and sign the form stating you weren't the driver at the time of the ticket and they will dismiss it.
Sign what form? The ticket?
OneGuy67
05-29-2012, 17:05
Sign what form? The ticket?
There should be something you received that you can affirm you weren't the driver. You will need to send in a copy of your DL (for the photo) to show you weren't the driver at the time.
SideShow Bob
05-29-2012, 17:06
Wish some taggers would go spray all the cameras!
Don't try it, they record video and flash to highlight details such as tag #s and facial details.
If you have a CDL, pay it. Don't tempt fate or you lic.
There should be something you received that you can affirm you weren't the driver. You will need to send in a copy of your DL (for the photo) to show you weren't the driver at the time.
Ok I see it it's on the back of the ticket :)
Waywardson174
05-29-2012, 17:16
I just don't like the idea that if you drive my car and get caught the ticket will be under my name.
It states on the ticket that if you are not the driver to photocopy your DL and send it in to them. You can tell them who was driving or not, your choice. My Dad owns my truck, didn't send in his photo, so he lost his right to contest it by mail.
Rooskibar03
05-29-2012, 17:20
I have several attorney clients and a red light camera a block away from office and all of them have said don't pay a photo ticket.
That said I woud like to see if that holds in court. I haven't got one and I don't plan on it.
DON'T PAY IT
the law says you have to be personally served.
Now they can charge you for serving you and then you do have to pay it, but it simply doesn't happen. They have other $hit to do than chase down a $40 ticket.
tear it up, throw it away.
Haven't paid one yet.
Paying them because it's just a little bit of money encourages this bullshit revenue crap and makes it profitable. If everyone stood up just a little and stopped licking boots, this $hit would stop.
JohnTRourke
05-29-2012, 18:09
It states on the ticket that if you are not the driver to photocopy your DL and send it in to them. You can tell them who was driving or not, your choice. My Dad owns my truck, didn't send in his photo, so he lost his right to contest it by mail.
don't send them shit
they sent you a not legal form
if you send something back, you are admitting that it's ok and then YOU have to contest it.
What the state is doing isn't legal by it's OWN DAMN RULES.
DON'T PAY IT.
DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT
just tear it up and throw it away.
They had a story on this and the photo vans on Fox news. Even the news caster said he throws them away.
Edit for link
http://kdvr.com/2011/04/28/photo-radar-tickets-may-not-be-worth-the-paper-theyre-written-on/
They just send them out and hope the sheeple will pay, trash it. dont answer the door for strangers for 90 day's, (someone that looks alot like me did this a couple of times) and they never came knocking. I have renewed my dl since and have never heard from them. and I have to turn in a dmv record every year for work as well, and they have never shown up. DISCLAIMER: I'm not a lawer I dont even play one on tv,this is just my opinion, do as you please. below is a video on the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rrd0L8DYrM
I WAS taken to collections for not paying a no front plate parking ticket I received in Denver.
I WAS taken to collections for not paying a no front plate parking ticket I received in Denver.
That's a different story
I know, I just wanted to put it out there in case anyone else has any. I figured I'd call their bluff. The city of Denver owns their own collections agency. So they ticket you, then turn it over to their collection agency and get 3 times the price.
kidicarus13
05-29-2012, 23:05
I know, I just wanted to put it out there in case anyone else has any. I figured I'd call their bluff. The city of Denver owns their own collections agency. So they ticket you, then turn it over to their collection agency and get 3 times the price.
So how do they go about collecting? Threats through the mail and...?
GilpinGuy
05-29-2012, 23:05
Aren't there stats that show that there are more traffic accidents near red light cameras because people jam on the brakes when the light turns yellow, causing rear end crashes?
The cameras are just revenue generators. No clue on the legality of blatantly not paying though.
So how do they go about collecting? Threats through the mail and...?
They never actually sent me anything that said that they sent me to collections, just that BS about how ever 30 days I didn't pay, I now owed more and more money. I eventually saw it as an active collection on my credit report though, and ended up paying it. I was totally set on NOT paying it, just based on principle*, but I wanted to try and get a house so I'm trying to keep my credit as clean as possible.
*The principle being that how F'ing DARE Denver tell me that I owe THEM money for not having a front plate on my car. It is against their rule, but they are not out any money for me having done so. It is RIDICULOUS for them to tell me that I owe MORE money, because I didn't pay them when they asked. It's not the same as defaulting on a loan or not paying for a purchase. Denver didn't lose money because I parked with no plate, and fuck them for telling me that I owe them MORE, for not paying what I never owed in the first place.
**Cops, yes I know that is against the law. I don't care.
a parking ticket is issued by a actual officer, totally different story than a photo ticket that is issued by a contracted private company and sent through the mail. plus a parking/plate ticket is not a moving violation and is tied to the vehicle, a red light/speeding ticket is a moving violation and tied to the operator.
a parking ticket is issued by a actual officer,
Not in the city of Denver they aren't. It is the worthless POS meter maid trash. I mean, the police in Denver CAN issue tickets, but you basically have to be called in by someone in order for an actual police officer to write the parking ticket.
JohnTRourke
05-30-2012, 05:51
Aren't there stats that show that there are more traffic accidents near red light cameras because people jam on the brakes when the light turns yellow, causing rear end crashes?
The cameras are just revenue generators. No clue on the legality of blatantly not paying though.
NO, what happens is (and it's well documented) is that they shorten the yellow light time, which causes accidents.
It's well proven if you want to reduce accidents at an intersection you just increase the yellow light time (and it's a tiny increase)
but
of course
that raises no more money for the ever growing state.
kidicarus13
05-30-2012, 06:24
Doesn't seem as though it's worth it to not pay $40-$60 and have it screw up your credit.
JohnTRourke
05-30-2012, 06:54
Doesn't seem as though it's worth it to not pay $40-$60 and have it screw up your credit.
May those chains rest lightly upon your shoulders. [Salute]
Byte Stryke
05-30-2012, 09:31
"I have no memory of receiving a citation and you have no signature or other evidence I received one. Your Honor, do we have a witness from the Postal service here?"
hollohas
05-30-2012, 09:39
I know, I just wanted to put it out there in case anyone else has any. I figured I'd call their bluff. The city of Denver owns their own collections agency. So they ticket you, then turn it over to their collection agency and get 3 times the price.
They don't however own the photo radar vans. They contract with a private OUT OF STATE company. The dummies don't even hire a local company to send out fake tickets...
"I have no memory of receiving a citation and you have no signature or other evidence I received one. Your Honor, do we have a witness from the Postal service here?"
That worked in a call a friend got from the City of Denver- but it was for a parking ticket. They told him "The parking enforcement officer (gag) placed the ticket in your door." He replied "there was nothing in my door, there was nothing anywhere on my car indicating that I committed any parking infraction." Dismissed...
YMMV
SouthPaw
05-30-2012, 11:42
"I have no memory of receiving a citation and you have no signature or other evidence I received one. Your Honor, do we have a witness from the Postal service here?"
This would be my defense. I have not received one yet (knocks on wood) but I will not pay them. I am not paying for ANYTHING that I did not sign for. $40 is half a tank of gas for my truck. IIRC, at one time there was a thread on this kind of tickets and seemed like 50% of the people did not pay them and had no problems.
Doesn't seem as though it's worth it to not pay $40-$60 and have it screw up your credit.
No front plate tickets used to be $25, and i would readily pay them. They arbitrarily raised the price to $75, and I changed my tune. I have a deep hatred for Denver and avoid it as much as possible.
No front plate tickets used to be $25, and i would readily pay them. They arbitrarily raised the price to $75, and I changed my tune. I have a deep hatred for Denver and avoid it as much as possible.
My question for the City of Denver is this: What if you drive a car where it is physically impossible to mount a front plate on it? Some examples would include mid-2000's 997 Porsche 911s, about 95% of all Ferraris, etc... Granted the money for the ticket if you own one of these is no big deal, but if I did own one it would be a matter of principal dammit!
Daniel_187
05-30-2012, 18:02
My question for the City of Denver is this: What if you drive a car where it is physically impossible to mount a front plate on it? Some examples would include mid-2000's 997 Porsche 911s, about 95% of all Ferraris, etc... Granted the money for the ticket if you own one of these is no big deal, but if I did own one it would be a matter of principal dammit!
Am with you Ronin. Am NOT going to drill holes in my $120,000 car, Denver can eat my poo.
Bitter Clinger
05-31-2012, 00:35
My question for the City of Denver is this: What if you drive a car where it is physically impossible to mount a front plate on it? Some examples would include mid-2000's 997 Porsche 911s, about 95% of all Ferraris, etc... Granted the money for the ticket if you own one of these is no big deal, but if I did own one it would be a matter of principal dammit!
I was wondering the same but for classic cars that never had them to begin with. I have a 47 coupe that had no frontplate no front turn sigs and no seatbelts. I know im ok on the seatbelts but i really dont wanna screw up my bumper pn my baby just to plaster the same info that is 8ft back ya know?
I was wondering the same but for classic cars that never had them to begin with. I have a 47 coupe that had no frontplate no front turn sigs and no seatbelts. I know im ok on the seatbelts but i really dont wanna screw up my bumper pn my baby just to plaster the same info that is 8ft back ya know?
Exactly... my mom had a 1950 Plymouth Coupe and you couldn't put a gun to her head to drill into the original front bumper. There should be exceptions, but my money is that they're too stubborn to accept case by case basis exceptions to the rules.
Back with the red light camera stuff, a friend of mine got a ticket with a nice picture of him behind the wheel of his wife's car- the ticket? "Over the line while stopped at a red light." ??? He was stopped, didn't run the light, no his tire was a few inches beyond the white line and bumper partially in the crosswalk! OMG! Cost: $75.00. Bullshit if you ask me...
Bitter Clinger
05-31-2012, 10:05
I have a ummmm "friend " that got a couple of these over the years. He just wadded them up and tossed em, and "he" never heard from them after the fact.
I have a ummmm "friend " that got a couple of these over the years. He just wadded them up and tossed em, and "he" never heard from them after the fact.
Ok, I know it's an old thread but instead of creating a new one I'll just post here.
I also have a friend who got the camera ticket for turning right on red without full stop.
They mailed him a ticket two times and after not seeing any kinda response from him they tried to serve him one but he didn't open the door.
So one day my friend comes home and finds a little note on his door from the post office, the little "sorry we missed you" note that says there was an attempt to deliver a letter from Aurora PD with signature required...
It also says that my friend has 15 days to claim that letter at the post office before it'll be send back to Aurora PD...
Any advice for my friend?
[Beer]
ChunkyMonkey
07-19-2012, 02:50
Ok, I know it's an old thread but instead of creating a new one I'll just post here.
I also have a friend who got the camera ticket for turning right on red without full stop.
They mailed him a ticket two times and after not seeing any kinda response from him they tried to serve him one but he didn't open the door.
So one day my friend comes home and finds a little note on his door from the post office, the little "sorry we missed you" note that says there was an attempt to deliver a letter from Aurora PD with signature required...
It also says that my friend has 15 days to claim that letter at the post office before it'll be send back to Aurora PD...
Any advice for my friend?
[Beer]
Don't pay it unless you got served in person. Between my office and my house we have 2 of those cams, I have plenty of those tickets.
Tickets in Colorado must be served to you within 90 days by an authorized person. Beyond the 90 days, no tickets, no collections, no nothing.
A quick googl'in yields
http://www.denverlegalview.com/2011/05/red-light-camera-ticket-vs-standard-traffic-ticket-in-colorado.shtml
dont listen to folks here telling you to not pay the ticket !!!
i did that and it cost me an extra 30 bucks bringing the ticket to 70.00 total . pay it fast and be done with it .
JohnTRourke
07-19-2012, 07:34
dont listen to folks here telling you to not pay the ticket !!!
i did that and it cost me an extra 30 bucks bringing the ticket to 70.00 total . pay it fast and be done with it .
did they serve you in person?
or did you just stupidly pay the late fee?????
DON'T PAY IT UNLESS THEY SERVE IT LEGALLY.
did they serve you in person?
or did you just stupidly pay the late fee?????
DON'T PAY IT UNLESS THEY SERVE IT LEGALLY.they came to my house over the damn thing to serve papers .
I think it is important to know whicj cities are serving.
Waywardson174
07-19-2012, 08:14
they came to my house over the damn thing to serve papers .
Cop salary - $15-20/hr
Income from serving you - $70/5 minutes
Never underestimate the math skills of a bureaucrat.
Sorry you got screwed.
OneGuy67
07-19-2012, 08:32
Cop salary - $15-20/hr
Yo might want to nudge that up a bit...say $25-35 an hour.
rockhound
07-19-2012, 08:38
Exactly... my mom had a 1950 Plymouth Coupe and you couldn't put a gun to her head to drill into the original front bumper. There should be exceptions, but my money is that they're too stubborn to accept case by case basis exceptions to the rules.
Back with the red light camera stuff, a friend of mine got a ticket with a nice picture of him behind the wheel of his wife's car- the ticket? "Over the line while stopped at a red light." ??? He was stopped, didn't run the light, no his tire was a few inches beyond the white line and bumper partially in the crosswalk! OMG! Cost: $75.00. Bullshit if you ask me...
the other thing about the license plates is people from out of state are exempt because many states do not have front plates at all
also my wife got the same ticket.
some advice on the board is great and some advice like "red light tickets " is bad . lesson learned , get a ticket , pay the damn thing asap .
buckeye4rnr
07-19-2012, 09:03
My question for the City of Denver is this: What if you drive a car where it is physically impossible to mount a front plate on it? Some examples would include mid-2000's 997 Porsche 911s, about 95% of all Ferraris, etc... Granted the money for the ticket if you own one of these is no big deal, but if I did own one it would be a matter of principal dammit!
I had this happen in Ohio(different state I know) and told them my car had no place to attach a front plate, something like 30 states don't require a front plate, and I'm not about to drill holes in my bumper to satisfy some stupid law that is only enforced in one city and has been targeted for removal by the house of reps every year for 5 years.
They didn't give a flying f and made me pay it.
Chad4000
07-19-2012, 09:17
yeah or what about motorcycles? obviously no front plate there....
I just dont put one on my cars...
JohnTRourke
07-19-2012, 11:01
they came to my house over the damn thing to serve papers .
well yeah
then you gotta pay.
You're the first i've ever heard of.
big deal
you paid $30
if EVERYONE forced them to come (and it certainly cost them more than $30) this shit would stop because......................
it wouldn't make any money.
think of it as a $30 donation to the rapidly dwindling cause of freedom.
JohnTRourke
07-19-2012, 11:02
some advice on the board is great and some advice like "red light tickets " is bad . lesson learned , get a ticket , pay the damn thing asap .
wow
jeeez
I hope those chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.
ChunkyMonkey
07-19-2012, 11:03
some advice on the board is great and some advice like "red light tickets " is bad . lesson learned , get a ticket , pay the damn thing asap .
Never.. have 3 of them at the moment - from city of greenwood village and denver. I have a full time lawyer employed for our office too - same advice.
The city of Denver even admitted, it's almost voluntary, but they raised almost $1million a year from this scam.
well yeah
then you gotta pay.
You're the first i've ever heard of.
big deal
you paid $30
if EVERYONE forced them to come (and it certainly cost them more than $30) this shit would stop because......................
it wouldn't make any money.
think of it as a $30 donation to the rapidly dwindling cause of freedom.
no i paid 70 . 40 for the ticket and another 30 for the delivery and yes it is a big deal when you pay for a parents bills a pregnant wife and trying to move . that extra 30 bucks is not breaking the bank but i can think of a whole lot better places to put it .
ChunkyMonkey
07-19-2012, 11:08
Better lesson is obviously NOT TO SPEED through a red light! As far as front plate.. I never had one since my very first car. They look fugly imho. I got a ticket once from parking the vehicle in Denver downtown. [Beer]
Better lesson is obviously NOT TO SPEED through a red light! As far as front plate.. I never had one since my very first car. They look fugly imho. I got a ticket once from parking the vehicle in Denver downtown. [Beer]all im saying is if you live downtown they will send someone to your house , maybe because its walking distance from the courthouse ? whatever the reason if i get anymore ill pay the damn thing asap.
clublights
07-19-2012, 21:11
If I get another... and If I have to pay an extra "service fee" It'll still be less then the 4 I've avoided.....
Charge it to the game playa.
clublights
07-19-2012, 21:17
Oh and so I don't look as bad..
it's one red light and 3 speed trap van's
I don't run that many red lights, but them damn van's pop up and get me
sellersm
07-19-2012, 21:26
They never actually sent me anything that said that they sent me to collections, just that BS about how ever 30 days I didn't pay, I now owed more and more money. I eventually saw it as an active collection on my credit report though, and ended up paying it. I was totally set on NOT paying it, just based on principle*, but I wanted to try and get a house so I'm trying to keep my credit as clean as possible.
*The principle being that how F'ing DARE Denver tell me that I owe THEM money for not having a front plate on my car. It is against their rule, but they are not out any money for me having done so. It is RIDICULOUS for them to tell me that I owe MORE money, because I didn't pay them when they asked. It's not the same as defaulting on a loan or not paying for a purchase. Denver didn't lose money because I parked with no plate, and fuck them for telling me that I owe them MORE, for not paying what I never owed in the first place.
**Cops, yes I know that is against the law. I don't care.
Debtor's prison. Many states are doing this questionable activity (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/us/probation-fees-multiply-as-companies-profit.html?_r=4&pagewanted=all)
There's even hospitals getting in on the act with 'hiring' collection agency staff that appear to be hospital staff, who will 'persistently inquire' as to how you're gonna pay the bill!
Debtor's prison. Many states are doing this questionable activity (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/us/probation-fees-multiply-as-companies-profit.html?_r=4&pagewanted=all)
There's even hospitals getting in on the act with 'hiring' collection agency staff that appear to be hospital staff, who will 'persistently inquire' as to how you're gonna pay the bill!
Yeah hospitals/medical bill collections are getting bad. My father passed away last October, he didn't leave me anything to work with and no plans, no estate, no life insurance. Took what I could scrounge up to take care of his funeral costs. Luckily he was a veteran. He had many little debts with collectors hounding me day in and night months later. Sent them copies of death certificate etc. His auto insurance even after they got what they needed kept calling for collecting hoping I would pay I guess. Finally after yelling at them on the phone threatening to sue them they stopped.
I got one red light ticket right before I moved ages ago, sent to my old address where I shared an apartment with a friend. I ignored it my friend said they tried to serve me, he just told them I moved and no clue where I lived now. Never heard a thing from them. :D
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