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Mule
02-19-2007, 00:31
If you guys haven't seen this yet.
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html

This will ruin your night, so if its going good, don't read this till morning...

Mule,

Delphi
02-19-2007, 01:05
he's an idiot....

Although his idiotacy does well in dividing the shooting community... "terrorist rifles" for god sakes...

HunterCO
02-19-2007, 01:13
I seen that and one of my freinds/ hunting parteners daughter is married to Zumbos son.

I have not met Zumbo yet and after this I don't know that I want to. [diss]

HunterCO
02-19-2007, 01:31
he's an idiot....

Although I can not disagree that what he said was very anti-gun and disgusts me.

I have to ask this if he is such an "Idiot" why don't you explain the art of still hunting for example??

The floor is yours Delphi!

I have read many of his books and he is a brilliant hunter to bad he turned on us. [diss]

7idl
02-19-2007, 07:38
he's not an idiot, hes an @ss.

A time when all firearms owners need to take a stand TOGETHER, he chooses to be a seperatist.

fuk him

my suggestion is to fire off an email to him and let him know what you think and also send a letter to John Snow demanding his release from their publication.


Assault Rifles For Hunters?
As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."



This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.



UPDATE: As a point of clarification about this blog, it is important for everyone to realize that the opinions expressed here are Jim’s and not necessarily those of Outdoor Life.

I’ve been friends with Jim for many years and have shared countless great times with him talking about both hunting and guns. While I totally support Jim’s right to express his point of view—this is his blog after all—I don’t happen to agree with him on this matter.

His position that AR- and AK-style rifles don’t have a place among our “sporting arms” is not one that I personally, or Outdoor Life as a magazine, happens to share.

In the six years that I’ve worked at Outdoor Life we have never wavered in our support of our Second Amendment rights, which don’t, and shouldn’t, make a distinction about the cosmetic look of the guns that we choose take to our local gun clubs or into hunting camp.

That said, I don’t expect every other hunter and sportsman out there to have a set of opinions that moves in lockstep with mine. So while I don’t share Jim’s view on this, I also know that he is still the same wonderfully talented and good-natured person he was before this post went up. For those of you who have followed him for all or part of his more than thirty years at Outdoor Life, I would ask you to bear that in mind before damning him with personal attacks.

John B. Snow
Executive Editor
Outdoor Life

7idl
02-19-2007, 08:20
In all fairness :roll: (like we had a chance)

he does follow that post up with the following: (LINK (http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/i_was_wrong_big.html))


I was wrong, BIG TIME
Someone once said that to err is human. I just erred, and made without question, the biggest blunder in my 42 years of writing hunting articles.

My blog inflamed legions of people I love most..... hunters and shooters. Obviously, when I wrote that blog, I activated my mouth before engaging my brain.

Let me explain the circumstances surrounding that blog. I was hunting coyotes, and after the hunt was over and being beat up by 60 mph winds all day, I was discussing hunting with one of the young guides. I was tired and exhausted, and I should have gone to bed early. When the guide told me that there was a "huge" following of hunters who use AR 15's and similar weapons to hunt prairies dogs, I was amazed. At that point I wrote the blog, and never thought it through.

Now then, you might not believe what I have to say, but I hope you do. How is it that Zumbo, who has been hunting for more than 50 years, is totally ignorant about these types of guns. I don't know. I shot one once at a target last year, and thought it was cool, but I never considered using one for hunting. I had absolutely no idea how vast the numbers of folks are who use them.

I never intended to be divisive, and I certainly believe in United we Stand, Divided we Fall. I've been an NRA member for 40 years, have attended 8 national NRA conventions in the last 10 years, and I'm an advisory board member for the United States Sportsmen's Alliance which actively fights anti-hunters and animal rights groups for hunter's rights.

What really bothers me are some of the unpatriotic comments leveled at me. I fly the flag 365 days a year in my front yard. Last year, through an essay contest, I hosted a soldier wounded in Iraq to a free hunt in Botswana. This year, through another essay contest, I'm taking two more soldiers on a free moose and elk hunt.

When I started blogging, I was told to write my thoughts, expressing my own opinion. The offensive blog I wrote was MY opinion, and no one else's. None of the companies that I deal with share that opinion, nor were they aware of what I had written until this firestorm started.

Believe it or not, I'm your best friend if you're a hunter or shooter, though it might not seem that way. I simply screwed up. And, to show that I'm sincere about this, I just talked to Ted Nugent, who everyone knows, and is a Board member of the NRA. Ted is extremely active with charities concerning our wounded military, and though he's known as a bowhunter, Ted has no problem with AR 15's and similar firearms. My sincerity stems from the fact that Ted and I are planning a hunt using AR 15's. I intend to learn all I can about them, and again, I'm sorry for inserting my foot in my mouth.




both pages have replies, I suggest you read them.

Mule
02-19-2007, 08:40
The problem with his apology is it never retracts any of his statements. I see it as a CYA thing. Somehow, I don't think the Law enforcement and Military personnel like being called terrorists, since they use the terrorist weapons to protect and serve us.

The other problem I see is that this attitude is not just his. I ran into an older guy at a sporting goods store that pretty much had the same attitude. I guess their form of hunting and target shooting (competing in his case) is the only one that is acceptable......

Mule
02-19-2007, 09:52
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Score for us!!!!!

Alert NOTICE: Remington is in the process of severing our sponsorships with Mr. Zumbo. Remington in no way shares or advocates any of the comments made by Mr. Zumbo on his blog site. A formal announcement will be released by noon today.

If you didn't know, the Brady bunch jumped on this like a wildfire in CA......

The damage is done, I don't see how anyone can stick up for him.
He did more to hurt us in his one blog entry than his whole life of writing books and doing TV shows could ever help.


PS, Since Remington has dropped him. We need to support them. Some of us on other boards are going to go buy a box of Remington cartridges today in support of their decision.

7idl
02-19-2007, 10:18
there may be a silver lining to this ordeal... maybe, just maybe bring people together... time will tell ( time will also tell the damage that he has done.. it is going to take a lot of effort of a lot of people to undo this damage) :evil:

7idl
02-19-2007, 13:36
UPDATE:

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html

new link.


Statement from Outdoor Life
Due to the controversy surrounding Jim Zumbo’s recent postings, Outdoor Life has decided to discontinue the “Hunting With Zumbo” blog for the time being. Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the looks of the firearms we choose to own, shoot and take hunting. Please direct any comments you have to OLletters@time4.com.

AR Will
02-19-2007, 13:40
I sent them and all of Jim Zumbo's sponsors and associted advertizers some hate mail.


One less supporter for Outdoor Life and Jim Zumbo. As a vetren I was
appalled at being labled as a terrorist because I own and use an AR-15,
and saddend by the huge negative impact it had on the perception of gun
owners.

I will also boycott any of Jim Zumbos sponsors.

William Gravitt


Jim Zumbo's sponsors

webmaster@outdoorlife.com; webmaster@remington.com;
tommy.millner@remington.com; dawn.lorello@swarovski.com; Sales;
benglish@mossyoak.com; pstrickland@mossyoak.com;
domain.admin@CABELAS.COM; corporate@cabelas.com; info@stoneypoint.com;
hans@himtnjerky.com; kimberly@himtnjerky.com; connie@himtnjerky.com


edit to add sponsors and my reply

7idl
02-19-2007, 13:42
I put a couple entries into the blog, but with the changes just made by OL, I can't find them.

AR Will
02-19-2007, 13:48
They removed mine and locked the reply section. :roll:

HunterCO
02-19-2007, 13:50
It's a shame Zumbo did this not only did he sell us gun owners and hunters out he gave the Brady bunch a lot of ammo.

I think for all practical purposes he also just ruined his entire career as well as the 40+ years of work.

I was supposed to go coyote hunting with my friend and Zumbo one of these days. I doubt that will ever happen and it's probably for the better I would have showed up with my AR15 and a can on it. I bet the only thing that would have come of it is me getting into a huge pissing contest with him. :evil: :evil:

7idl
02-19-2007, 14:02
they (OL) has locked everything down....

damage control, IMHO.

time will tell.


and just because OL removed it, doesn't make it go away.

this is just the tip of the iceberg!



*I did tell OL they best restore all the posts unless they want to be labled as anti speech too!

Mule
02-19-2007, 16:32
I just got back from buying some Remington .223 ammo.

If I am willing to boycott a company, I'll sure as heck support them if they do the right thing.

I think I'll try some on a Coyote this weekend......

So far, it appears that OL is the only one that has semi supported him. All they seem to have done is pull the controversial blog....
I can see it now - Blog entry, what blog entry????? Gee, we don't remember Zumbo sticking his foot in his mouth.... Why, he's an alright guy......


PS, since OL pulled his stuff, here's a link to a google posting of it.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:jDZ0K76hUJUJ:outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html+http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us



If anyone wants to use my short but sweet letter format, please do. This is what I have emailed everyone on the list.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I don't see anything on your web page about this issue. I would hope that you stand up for 2nd Amendment rights and pull Mr. Zumbo's sponsorship. If you try and ignore it, I believe the thousands of people enraged by this will show you how serious we are by not buying your products. I would hope that you follow Remington's lead and pull his sponsorship and make a statement on your web page. The question remains, will you do the right thing?
Thank you for your time.

car-15
02-19-2007, 18:03
I have a feeling someone is going to be looking for a new job. [popcorn]

Mule
02-19-2007, 18:14
I got this reply from Cabelas. It looks to me like they are trying to find a way out of their contract with him. The big boys are speaking!!!!!
On a side note, Outdoor Life is not taking emails anymore.


Discussion Thread
Dear Mr. xxxxxx,

While Cabela’s believes everyone has the right to express their own opinions, we strongly disagree with Jim Zumbo’s February 16 posting on his Hunting with Jim Zumbo blog on Outdoor Life’s Web site.

Throughout our 46-year history, Cabela’s has firmly supported all aspects of shooting sports. We strongly support the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States and the right of every U.S. citizen to purchase, own and enjoy any legal firearm of their choosing.

While we fully support Mr. Zumbo’s First Amendment right of free speech, we believe his opinions on this matter are counter to those shared by Cabela’s and many of our customers. Cabela’s Legal Department is currently reviewing contractual obligations and commitments regarding our sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show.

Have a great day.
Sincerely,
Brent
<*))))))><l

AR Will
02-19-2007, 19:37
this was the response I recieved from Gerber Knives, one of his sponsors


Following Jim Zumbo's recent comments, those of us at Gerber would like
to clarify that we respect the opinion of our sponsored hunters and
users however, we do not necessarily agree with all their opinions, nor
do we endorse their public statements. Our presence and development in
the tactical and hunting markets is proof-positive we are committed to
supporting these industries and all those involved.
Since Jim's blog was published he has issued this apology:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/i_was_wrong_big.html.

Thanks for supporting our rights and for supporting Gerber Legendary
Blades.

Jason Kintzler
Senior Communications Manager


:roll:

westy1970
02-19-2007, 20:25
Here is a letter I wrote to the companies the do business with him.

To whom it may concern,

As a veteran and an outdoorsman I was shocked and dismayed by Jim Zumbo's remarks on his outdoor life blog. I will no longer support any company that chooses an obvious enemy of the 2nd Amendment as their representitive. I am not a terrorist and resent being called one by someone i thought was on "our" side. His comments will only help the Brady campain.

CJ Jackson



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Old boys have their playthings as well as young ones; the difference is only in the price.

-Ben Franklin

Mule
02-20-2007, 10:59
Here is the reply from Mossy Oak. Brady bunch Jim is finished.....

Mossy Oak strongly advocates the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights,
which gives us the right to keep and bear arms regardless of type. The
Second Amendment is vital to the outdoors lifestyle we all appreciate
and enjoy here at Mossy Oak and across the entire outdoor industry.

"It is unfortunate that a long-time hunter and outdoor writer took a
personal position that was unsupportive of the Second Amendment which
does not differentiate between firearm types." said Butch English,
Executive VP of Sales and Marketing for Mossy Oak. "As a result of
comments made by Mr. Jim Zumbo in recent postings on his blog site, Haas
Outdoors, Inc. the home of Mossy Oak Brand Camo has ended all
sponsorship ties with Mr. Zumbo effective immediately. While we strongly
disagree with Mr. Zumbo's opinion, we respect his constitutional,
guaranteed right to speak freely."

As shooters and hunters, we should all help educate and promote
responsible firearm information and safety. It is important for the
outdoor industry to focus our attention to educate those opposed to any
type of anti-hunting or anti-Second Amendment movement.

Mule
02-20-2007, 11:11
Just got word that the Jerky place has dropped him too.
OL and Gerber Knives seems to be the only ones not dropping him. Gerber came out with a reply that he had said he was sorry........

Flyer
02-20-2007, 18:08
Good riddance, nice to see his sponsers put him in his place......He made his own bed and pissed in mine....WTH was he thinking? :roll:
Who needs Gerber? I like my Kershaw!

westy1970
02-20-2007, 20:13
I will be selling both of my Gerber Tools and buying a different brand.

MuzzleFlash
02-20-2007, 20:56
JZ is no longer blogging at OL. Short of them posting pictures of Nugent horse whipping him, I don't know what else we can ask for.

Here's what I sent to Gerber:

sales@gerbergear.com:

I will never buy another product of yours so long as you support Jim Zumbo, a traitor to the second amendment.

His comments about AR-15 rifles being "terrorist weapons" are ludicrous and deeply offensive. Nicolas Berg was brutally beheaded on video by terrorists in Iraq. Does that make your products terrorist weapons?

I greatly enjoy hunting and shooting sports and will not support anyone who proffers the rights for which our soldiers fight to gun-hating politicians. He has a first amendment right to say stupid things. I have a right to not support him or companies such as yours that enable such stupidity.

//sig

car-15
02-20-2007, 22:16
its not looking good for jim, just seen his show was due to be on oln (the outdoor channel), and they are showing something else,(adventures abroad) and they have supressors on their weapons, shooting some kind of african deer.[roll]

7idl
02-21-2007, 05:02
other related items:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_102081.asp


The Blog Heard 'Round The Industry
Jim Zumbo angers firearm enthusiasts
by Jim Shepherd
posted February 20, 2007


Jim Zumbo, Hunting Editor for Outdoor Life magazine, angered firearms enthusiasts across the country with a weekend blog posting. His blog has now been suspended and sponsors are severing ties with Zumbo in spite of his apology.
This article is provided by Jim Shepherd in association with the "Outdoor Wire," a feed service specializing in the outdoor industry.

Legendary hunting writer Jim Zumbo has incurred the wrath of thousands of shooting enthusiasts with a weekend posting on his now-suspended blog for Outdoor Life magazine.

In the posting, Zumbo said "assault rifles" (or "terrorist" rifles as he went on to refer to them) had "no place" among "our hunting community." Adding that in his "humble opinion…these things have no place in hunting" because "We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern."



Zumbo went on to say "game departments should ban them from the praries (sic) and woods."

That kicked off a firestorm among owners of so-called "black rifles". Within hours, internet sites had reproduced the offending blog, kicking off thousands of angry emails and internet postings.

Subsequently, in what may one day be classified as the worst apology ever written (aptly titled "I was wrong, BIG TIME") Zumbo attempted to soothe readers, attributing his remarks to being tired following a long day of hunting coyotes in extreme weather conditions.

He went on recount his 40 years of NRA membership and the United States Sportsmen's Alliance, an organization, which, he wrote, "actively fights anti-hunters and animal rights groups for hunter's rights." He also told readers he had plans to go hunting with an AR-style rifle to give them a try.

At that point, however, there was little, if anything, that would assuage an angry horde of electronically mobilized AR fans. They considered Zumbo's remarks as being tantamount to a sellout, with Zumbo offering up "black rifles" as a sacrificial lamb for anti-gun forces.

In an appearance on Tom Gresham's national radio show "Gun Talk" Sunday afternoon, Zumbo attempted to apologize, but listeners didn't seem to be buying his verbal apology. If anything, any attempt to assuage them only fanned the flames of outrage.

Over the course of the afternoon and evening, various executives associated with Zumbo posted their own comments on his blog site, attempting to deflect the anger at directed at Zumbo away from their companies.

It didn't work.

Instead, they found themselves under attack with angry feedback calling for everything from a boycott of all Remington products (a pair of Remington execs were mentioned as having been with Zumbo on his now ill-fated hunting trip) to cancellation of Outdoor Life magazine subscriptions and campaigns against all companies with connections to Zumbo.

Yesterday morning, responding to an onslaught of negative publicity, Remington CEO and President Tommy Millner released a statement severing "all sponsorship ties with Mr. Zumbo, effective immediately."

Zumbo was entitled to his opinion, Millner wrote, but the inflammatory comments were solely his and did not reflect the views of Remington.

"Remington has spent tens of millions of dollars defending our Second Amendment rights to privately own and possess firearms, " wrote Millner, "and we will continue to vigorously fight to protect these rights. As hunters and shooters of all interest levels, we should strive to utilize this unfortunate occurrence to unite as a whole in support of our Second Amendment rights."

In conclusion, Millner expressed regret at the termination of a long-standing relationship with a "well-respected writer and life-long hunter."

Outdoor Life announced they were discontinuing the "Hunting With Zumbo" blog "for the time being" due to the "controversy surrounding Jim Zumbo's latest postings."

Their notice went on to remind readers "Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of our Second Amendment rights which do not make distinctions based on the looks of the firearms we choose to own, shoot and take hunting."

Yesterday, anyone who didn't comment risked being lumped in with anti-gun forces. Any voices calling for reason and tolerance found themselves shouted down. And those writers professing support for Mr. Zumbo privately certainly weren't willing to go on the record with that support.

Additionally, Cabela's has not yet dropped their sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show, Cabela's Frank Ross is being quoted as having said their legal department is "currently reviewing contractual obligations and commitments regarding our sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show. "

"Jim's comments are as unfortunate as they are inappropriate," said National Shooting Sports Foundation president Doug Painter. "No one should divide firearms into good-gun, bad-gun categories."

Zumbo's ill-considered blog may not have been intended to create good-gun, bad-gun categories, but it has certainly raised firebrand rhetoric to an art form. Rather than hunters being supported by recreational and competitive shooting enthusiasts, they have now become "Fudds" to shooters who feel they have been labeled "terrorists" by a "hard-core hunter."

It's truly not a pretty picture, but may observers say it accurately reflects a widening gap between "traditional" and "non-traditional" shooting enthusiasts.

With Congress reconsidering the Assault Weapon Ban and Connecticut and New Jersey considering legislation that would limit handgun purchases to one per month, this latest schism is already being used as further evidence of the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently.

Jim Shepherd

westy1970
02-21-2007, 16:08
Dear fellow 2nd Amendment Supporters,

I am writing to thank all of you for your activism in making us aware of the comments made on Mr. Zumbo’s blog. Hi Mountain Jerky and Seasoning has been a sponsor of his hunting show on the Outdoor Channel, but is in the process of terminating our relationship. We do not support his statements regarding his view of the Second Amendment and would not have supported the show or had his endorsement on our packaging in the past had we known this. We fully stand behind the individual right to keep and bear arms as our Founding Fathers intended. It is truly heartwarming to see the grass roots activism in support of our Second Amendment, please know Hi Mountain Jerky and Seasoning stands behind you.

Thank you,

Hans Hummel
President
Hi Mountain Jerky, Inc.

Delphi
02-21-2007, 16:15
he's an idiot....

Although I can not disagree that what he said was very anti-gun and disgusts me.

I have to ask this if he is such an "Idiot" why don't you explain the art of still hunting for example??

The floor is yours Delphi!

I have read many of his books and he is a brilliant hunter to bad he turned on us. [diss]

I have never said he isnt a good hunter, but his anti gun statements were idiotic. I'm not a hunter I will openly admit I dont know much about it.

All I know is where he might be brillant in one catagory he sure as hell knows how to get himself in a boat load of trouble...

I think his career is over anyways now...

MPfiveengineer
02-21-2007, 21:35
I was supposed to go coyote hunting with my friend and Zumbo one of these days. I doubt that will ever happen and it's probably for the better I would have showed up with my AR15 and a can on it. I bet the only thing that would have come of it is me getting into a huge pissing contest with him. :evil: :evil:


Man, I as well as MANY OTHERS would pay to see that right now. If you do go, please allow me to come along and bring a video camera.

7idl
02-22-2007, 08:08
I'd tell him he's not welcome here in CO.

MuzzleFlash
02-22-2007, 12:35
Outdoor Life officially gave him the boot.

HunterCO
02-22-2007, 12:37
This is a post Zumbo made on Nuge's site.


The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.

They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?

But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.

My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.

I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.

Jim Zumbo

Here is the link.

http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286904.html

Atrain
02-22-2007, 14:20
And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges.

What the... http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o86/Atrain_dlp/cat-2.jpg

I can't believe he said that.

You know a man once said:

"I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words."

Looks to me like that man, whose career was centered around firearms, stripped his career from himself by using "sheer ignorance and irresponsable use of words".

I understand his desire to make ammends but he should really shut up now, take a looooong vacation, and try back at a later date.

westy1970
02-22-2007, 15:43
And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges.

What the... http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o86/Atrain_dlp/cat-2.jpg

I can't believe he said that.

You know a man once said:

"I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words."

Looks to me like that man, whose career was centered around firearms, stripped his career from himself by using "sheer ignorance and irresponsable use of words".

I understand his desire to make ammends but he should really shut up now, take a looooong vacation, and try back at a later date.


+1. Dude, you stripped yourself of a career.

7idl
02-22-2007, 19:31
I don't see the word "sorry" in there.


he's an elitist, narrow minded and a stereotypical "fudd". He is the very heart and soul of the biggest problem in the hunting world, IMHO.

7idl
02-22-2007, 20:06
From Outdoor Life magazine

LINK (http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/columnists/article/0,19912,1592623,00.html)


Outdoor Life And Jim Zumbo Part Ways
By Todd. W. Smith
Editor-in-Chief

Outdoor Life magazine Editor-in-Chief Todd Smith released the following statement today regarding writer Jim Zumbo:

February 2007


In light of comments made by Jim Zumbo in his February 16, 2007 blog posting on the magazine’s website, Mr. Zumbo has offered to terminate his association with Outdoor Life, and the magazine has accepted his offer. Accordingly, he will no longer be contributing to the magazine in print or online. His final column with Outdoor Life will appear in the April 2007 issue, which has already gone to press.

We respect Mr. Zumbo's First Amendment right to free speech, and we acknowledge his subsequent apology and admission of error. However, Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of all aspects of the shooting sports and our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the appearance of the firearms we choose to own, shoot or hunt with.

We regret this turn of events, as Mr. Zumbo has been a good friend to this magazine and lifelong advocate for hunters and hunting rights. As long as it was something he was personally ok with - 7

We appreciate the comments we've received from our loyal readers about this matter and encourage them to continue to correspond with us. Please direct any additional comments to OLletters@time4.com.

robsterclaw
02-22-2007, 23:44
And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges.

What the... http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o86/Atrain_dlp/cat-2.jpg

I can't believe he said that.

You know a man once said:

"I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words."

Looks to me like that man, whose career was centered around firearms, stripped his career from himself by using "sheer ignorance and irresponsable use of words".

I understand his desire to make ammends but he should really shut up now, take a looooong vacation, and try back at a later date.

Yes he did it to himself. But if no one had complained to his sponsers, posted on his blog, sent emails to Outdoor Life mag, etc. I doubt he would have been fired and lost his sponsers. It was people, rightfully so, lodging complaints that fired him. It is nice to know that some people listen to what the people want.

Atrain
02-23-2007, 12:09
Because of the way people and companies responded to this issue, do you think it actually sent a good message to people trying to ban these firearms or do you think his comments will ultimately have a damaging effect?

Delphi
02-23-2007, 22:56
^^^^

wow i actually agree, very good reasoning.... still i dont like the guy saying those things ya know?

Driftwood
02-24-2007, 21:42
MSNBC wrote up an article on this:

Gun Remark Makes Outdoorsman An Outcast
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17307316/?GT1=9033

Obiwan
02-25-2007, 08:17
He has a right to an opinion

He has a right to voice that opinion

But just like our own Ward Churchill, the right of free speech does not protect you from the results of that speech

westy1970
02-25-2007, 09:05
In related news,
On Feb. 14, 2007, Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) introduced H.R. 1022, a bill with the stated purpose, "to reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes." Having a hunter say that they are not useful for hunting is exactly what banners need to hear. Then they can say, "See, even the hunter don't want them." Very dangerous times we live in. Please contact your representative and make your voice heard again.

Mule
03-09-2007, 12:56
Ok, it's now time to get on the anti HR-1022 band wagon....
We all showed that our voice can be heard in this matter, now it's time to take the fight one step further.

Here are some things to do.
1) Join Gun Owners of America and start writing letters, they make it easy!
http://www.gunowners.org
PS, I'm a life member. You also get a free two day training course in AZ if you do a life membership.

2) Sign this petition - on line.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/409898348?ltl=1172448514

3) Locally and part of GOA, join Rocky Mtn Gun Owners. We lost out of state CCW permits because not enough people in CO put pressure on TWO Republicans that voted FOR the bill.....
http://www.rmgo.org/

Yes, I'm a member at RMGO too.

Fight the SOFT war - writing letters and calling.
Greg aka Mule

Hey Mod/Boss....
I'm going to start a new thread on this one. Sorry to hijack this thread....

Obiwan
03-10-2007, 09:06
An Olive Branch has been extended to Mr. Zumbo

PAt Rogers and Denny Hansen have offered him a spot in a carbine class

Only JZ knows if he has had any change of heart, but if he can be assimilated, it may mend some fences rather than building more