No Shooting in National Forests Now? (Merged)

[Ranger]

Going camping this weekend and my buddy said he heard somewhere that all the national parks in Colorado were banning shooting because it might spark a fire. Sounds like B.S. to me, but thought I would see if anyone else heard of this nonsense? I mean, it's dry out there, but hell I was just at Guanella this past weekend in a torrential downpour!

[Inconel710]

Check with the ranger office for the area you're camping in. They'll let you know about any bans.

[clublights]

I found this

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_20373203/national-forest-fire-bans-include-shooting-restrictions

[Ranger]

I found this

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_20373203/national-forest-fire-bans-include-shooting-restrictions

Thanks for that. It's unclear if Pike National Forest is part of that since it mentions Clear Creek County but only Roosevelt and Arapaho forests.

[spencerhenry]

no external combustion engines? what the hell is an external combustion engine, a steam engine?

just wait, a shooting ban implemented to "prevent ignition sources" will become permanent in some areas regardless of conditions.

[palepainter]

As much as the state is burning right now, I would not hesitate to comply with requests..Myself that is.

[fossilfuel]

Has there ever been a forrest fire that has been confirmed to have been started by gun fire?

[Alpine]

Has there ever been a forrest fire that has been confirmed to have been started by gun fire?

Yes, work mates started a fire out at Pawnee National Grasslands, but the idiots were shooting tracers.

[Byte Stryke]

Yes, work mates started a fire out at Pawnee National Grasslands, but the idiots were shooting tracers.


you are hereby obligated to beat their asses and provide proof of such ass-beating

[DSB OUTDOORS]

I love camping, shooting, BBQing, etc!! But where I live and going through that last fire BS!! On Evac notice for a week!! MX'r had to Evac. not knowing if one has a home to go home too??? FNG SUCKS!!! I support any thing for any type of fire restriction ban they dish out!!

Only takes one STUPID MOTHER FUCKER too screw it up for all. And the last few were "FOREST SERVICE FNG PEOPLE!!!"

Don't be "That Guy"!! The Stupid Mother Fucker that had to shoot some thing, or just had to flick a smoke out the window because they don't want to stink up their car, or it was just a small camp fire!! [Rant1][Rant2]
If you are that stupid. Stay the fuck home and burn down your own FUCKING house! Not mine or any one elses!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Byte Stryke]

I love camping, shooting, BBQing, etc!! But where I live and going through that last fire BS!! On Evac notice for a week!! MX'r had to Evac. not knowing if one has a home to go home too??? FNG SUCKS!!! I support any thing for any type of fire restriction ban they dish out!!

Only takes one STUPID MOTHER FUCKER too screw it up for all. And the last few were "FOREST SERVICE FNG PEOPLE!!!"

Don't be "That Guy"!! The Stupid Mother Fucker that had to shoot some thing, or just had to flick a smoke out the window because they don't want to stink up their car, or it was just a small camp fire!! [Rant1][Rant2]
If you are that stupid. Stay the fuck home and burn down your own FUCKING house! Not mine or any one elses!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dave if you continue to hold back you are going to burst something...


Let it all out Brother, tell us how you truly feel!

[DSB OUTDOORS]

Dave if you continue to hold back you are going to burst something...


Let it all out Brother, tell us how you truly feel!
Shit Guy, since I lost my Tasha and you lost your Dad. You know the feelings I'm talking about! WELCOME to the Dark Side!!! [Beer]

[anomad]

Going camping this weekend and my buddy said he heard somewhere that all the national parks in Colorado were banning shooting because it might spark a fire. Sounds like B.S. to me, but thought I would see if anyone else heard of this nonsense? I mean, it's dry out there, but hell I was just at Guanella this past weekend in a torrential downpour!

Make sure you understand the difference between national parks and national forests and other land management agencies.

The local agency for the area you wish to camp should have plain advisories posted on their web page.

www.geocommunicator.gov or the Colorado hunting atlas http://ndis-flex.nrel.colostate.edu/HuntingAtlas/
can help you determine the appropriate land management agency for your area with an online mapping interface.

[Fmedges]

I love camping, shooting, BBQing, etc!! But where I live and going through that last fire BS!! On Evac notice for a week!! MX'r had to Evac. not knowing if one has a home to go home too??? FNG SUCKS!!! I support any thing for any type of fire restriction ban they dish out!!

Only takes one STUPID MOTHER FUCKER too screw it up for all. And the last few were "FOREST SERVICE FNG PEOPLE!!!"

Don't be "That Guy"!! The Stupid Mother Fucker that had to shoot some thing, or just had to flick a smoke out the window because they don't want to stink up their car, or it was just a small camp fire!! [Rant1][Rant2]
If you are that stupid. Stay the fuck home and burn down your own FUCKING house! Not mine or any one elses!!!!!!!!!!!!

One person or nature

[DSB OUTDOORS]

One person or nature
If you know "Mother" nature. Tell her to STOP FUCKING CREATING FOREST FIRES!!!!! And tell her I said to quit that SHIT!!!!

[GilpinGuy]

If you know "Mother" nature. Tell her to STOP FUCKING CREATING FOREST FIRES!!!!! And tell her I said to quit that SHIT!!!!

Man, I feel your ffear in regard to fires. I had one just last week 1/2 a mile from my house caused by lightning. Scared the shit out of me. Throwing stuff in the Jeeps, making decisions about what to take and what to leave behind, etc. was nerve-wracking to say the least.

The greenies would say, "Mother nature says 'Stop building homes where I may start a forest fire. That's what I do time to time, ya know."

And while it sucks, they do have a point. Fires that are caused naturally like lightning are part of the cycle and we just have to accept the fact that they might happen if we live in the forest. Yeah, it fucking sucks if it happens. So does getting struck by lightning, but you can't control that either. I've simply accepted that I might lose my home to a fire one day. And I will do nothing to risk starting a fire myself. All you can do is be responsible.

Fires cause by some stupid prick are another story completely. Fines/jail time for these asshats should be VERY steep indeed.

[Ranger]

Outside of shooting tracers, which I never have a reason to shoot, I just can't imagine plinking into a dirt backstop is going to cause a fire, particularly with low caliber weapons. I'll call around and see what I can find out tomorrow and report back so we all know.

[Uberjager]

Wasn't one of them started by someone shooting a propane tank?

[GilpinGuy]

Wasn't one of them started by someone shooting a propane tank?

You might be thinking of the one that started when a guy backed into a propane tank in the foothills near Boulder. Might have been a guy filling the tank, but I'm not sure now. That was the one last summer that started near Boulder and got HUGE I believe.

If it was a guy SHOOTING a propane tank, that would have been blown up on the DLEMM instantly. [Coffee]

[Irving]

I thought this latest one near Lake George {Stringer Fire?} was from someone shooting some type of fuel tank.

[GilpinGuy]

I thought this latest one near Lake George {Stringer Fire?} was from someone shooting some type of fuel tank.

How the hell do you do that with conditions like they are? Oh yeah, you're an asshole.

Here's some info on that one: Springer Fire
(http://www.inciweb.org/incident/2916/)
"The fire has been determined to be human caused and may be related to recreational shooting." [the bold was mine]

If this was truly caused by recreational shooting and it was because some jackass shot a propane tank, that NEEDS to be reported. Just saying "related to recreational shooting" is flagrantly misleading, if indeed it was a jackass shooting a propane tank.

[Irving]

Someone on here was saying that his buddy was down there shooting and heard an explosion from a near by group and started seeing heavy smoke shortly after so he packed up and got the heck out of there.

[GilpinGuy]

Someone on here was saying that his buddy was down there shooting and heard an explosion from a near by group and started seeing heavy smoke shortly after so he packed up and got the heck out of there.

Damn, I'd bug-out too. Looks like he made the right move.

[Colorado Osprey]

Local news is reporting that there is no shooting in the national forest along the Front Range in Colorado including the Pike National Forest.

They are calling it the "Peak to Peak" shooting ban.

[Beprepared]

I thought this latest one near Lake George {Stringer Fire?} was from someone shooting some type of fuel tank.
Authorities refuse to confirm anything. My wife was working in Cripple Creek and Guffey the other day and a Sheriff deputy told her "gun fire couldn't penetrate tank" [Bang] . So what caliber were these suspects shooting?

[DSull]

The rumor is that someone was shooting at a propane tank and started the Springer Fire, we've been under the threat of evacuation since Monday. We've worked to cut and clear a 30 foot zone around our house so if the fire reaches here we try to fight it. Teller CO. S/O is looking for an arsonist who set 9 fires, 7 in two hours in the same area. If I catch someone setting a fire here they're dead meat.

[Bitter Clinger]

Local news is reporting that there is no shooting in the national forest along the Front Range in Colorado including the Pike National Forest.

They are calling it the "Peak to Peak" shooting ban.

Thats such a pile of bullshit. Looks like the man figured out a way to keep us from shooting in the [M2]mountains. Bastards ......

[Ronin13]

I'll get in contact with my... uh... um... source, with the Clear Creek County SO and see, I really want to go buy some bullets, and go take my homemade target stand up to Squaw this weekend and punch some paper. Indoor ranges are nice and all, but with range fees and crowds I'd rather go up in the wilds and "bust some caps, yo!" [Coffee]

[Ah Pook]

National Forests have been under a fire/shooting ban since April, in Boulder County. No sure if that was a county ban or all FS land controlled by the Boulder district. I can't help but think that the brain trust that visits Lefthand Canyon influenced the decision.

I can't wait for July 4th.

[Wiggity]

As of last weekend, shootig is allowed according to a LEO I talked to while shooting in monument.

[Ed_S]

Here is the link to the current map showing the ban area in the Front Range: http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5362960.pdf

[waxthis]

Does anyone have a link to weather or not firearms are banned in Roosevelt, specifically Pingree Park...I can’t find anything concrete.

[waxthis]

Just spoke with the park service...Ban will go into effect Monday 6-25-12, will be posted under Alerts and Warnings at that time......FK!!!!!!![Mad]
AhCrap (http://www.fs.usda.gov/arp)

[Mtn.man]

WOW now the zombies are goint to be at an advantage.

Sword Fight.

[Ronin13]

So I need to ask, I can't go to Squaw Pass to shoot anymore? It's technically in the Arapahoe NF.

[waxthis]

So I need to ask, I can't go to Squaw Pass to shoot anymore? It's technically in the Arapahoe NF.

I would think not. Guess we just have to keep an eye on the link I provided...[Dunno]. Perhaps it may be time to get a little proficient with swords and throwing knives.

[Ronin13]

I would think not. Guess we just have to keep an eye on the link I provided...[Dunno]. Perhaps it may be time to get a little proficient with swords and throwing knives.

I finally get to become a Zombie Killing Ninja!? WOOHOO! Well I guess can I just bill the state of Colorado for my range fees to go to privately owned ranges instead of using public land? [Coffee]

[Mtn.man]

Obama might just pick them up.



















NOT

[quondom fremd]

Does anyone have a link to weather or not firearms are banned in Roosevelt, specifically Pingree Park...I can’t find anything concrete.

I don't think they can ban the possession of firearms, only the discharge of a firearm in the areas

[Zundfolge]

Wasn't one of them started by someone shooting a propane tank?



_FHTXwpVMvs

[waxthis]

I don't think they can ban the possession of firearms, only the discharge of a firearm in the areas

Discharge was the intent....

[Ed_S]

Here is the official update for the NF: http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/arp/news-events/?cid=STELPRDB5375582

[waxthis]

Here is the official update for the NF: http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/arp/news-events/?cid=STELPRDB5375582

No Pawnee either.. Oh man, the zombies are gonna be feasting!!!

[Irving]

You can still shoot on private property in Pawnee though right?

[CrufflerSteve]

Looks like it is still Stage 1 for Pike Forest so the South Range should still be open but leave exploding targets home. Even tannerite. I'd hate to have to explain to a ranger how it really isn't a fire danger.

Steve

[Novice shot]

For me, its just for the safety aspect to comply with the temporary restrictions. I wouldn't want to be the "1" . I compare it also for the select few who shoots and cannot police up after themselves ie, glass, shells and trash etc....

[Ronin13]

For me, its just for the safety aspect to comply with the temporary restrictions. I wouldn't want to be the "1" . I compare it also for the select few who shoots and cannot police up after themselves ie, glass, shells and trash etc....

I honestly believe this is a major headache for the FS, and local LE... they're probably well aware of the good guys vs the idiots. That's probably why they're doing this, they know now that the idiots outnumber the good guys (like us)... If it weren't for all the idiots, they probably wouldn't have even considered adding shooting to the list of "naughty stuff to do during a fire ban."

[sabot_round]

_FHTXwpVMvs

^^^THIS^^^ is exactly what happens!!! Not that I have ever tried it.

How about a acetylene tank??[Beer]

[Daniel_187]

I went shooting last weekend in National Forest, and guess what? No fire. Better yet shot into and old stump and still no fire. What cause's fires is ass hats setting off fire works and shooting things there not suppose to.

[car-15]

another one started by "target shooters"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47926409/ns/weather/

[Ranger]

Well, I ended up taking a few small caliber guns up to Pike NF so that my bases were covered. Found a ranger and asked and he told me that he was not aware the Pike was banned and to just be careful. Ended up at a pretty remote spot that was mostly dirt and plinked out a few .22's and called it a night. No fire :). What really pissed me off is that not a single one of them was able to even hardly cause a dent in the propane tank... :D

I am worried, particularly with the lastest news that "target shooters" set off a fire this weekend, that this is going to be a back door way to ban shooting in any forest, ever.

[mpatch]

Does anyone have a link to weather or not firearms are banned in Roosevelt, specifically Pingree Park...I can’t find anything concrete.

considering you cannot even get to Pingree because of the fire and from the looks of it you wont be able to until the snow flies

kinda a moot point

[olopc]

Anyone know if they are prohibiting ATV's and dirt bikes? This is a real bummer. The 4th of July is a tradition for shooting in the Arapaho Forest. I have been able to do it without starting a fire for several years. But, I do understand the potential for sparks.

[olopc]

I guess I can answer my own question with the link above. As long as spark arrester is working, should be ok - and, as always, stay on the roads.

Under Stage II fire restrictions the following acts are prohibited on the ARP:

No open fire, except when using a petroleum stove, grill, or lantern with a buffer cleared of all vegetation on all sides for at least three feet.
Smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle or building.
Possessing or using fireworks or other pyrotechnic device.
Using an explosive.
Using any internal or external combustion engine (including chainsaws) without a spark arresting device properly working.
Possessing or using a vehicle off National Forest System Roads, except when parking in areas completely cleared of all vegetation and operating a vehicle as described in a valid ARP Motor Vehicle Use Map.
Welding, or operating acetylene or other torch with open flame.
Discharge of a firearm, except when possessing a valid Colorado hunting license while lawfully involved in hunting and harvesting game during the appropriate season.

[brianakell]

No shooting on many forest service areas currently. Right or wrong, dont want to see anyone get a ticket!

http://www.reporterherald.com/news/high-park-fire/ci_20924771/forest-service-bans-discharge-firearms-colorado-units

[blacklabel]

I understand why they banned shooting but it still sucks. I'm not a big fan of proper ranges.

[Ah Pook]

Thanks for the link. That's the first time I've seen all effected areas in on article.


The restrictions will be placed on the Boulder, Canyon Lakes, Clear Creek and Sulphur Ranger Districts and Pawnee National Grassland.
The fire restrictions also prohibit:


Open fire, except when using a petroleum stove, grill, or lantern with a buffer cleared of all vegetation on all sides for at least three feet.
Smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle or building.
Possessing or using fireworks or other pyrotechnic device.
Using an explosive.
Using any internal or external combustion engine (including chainsaws) without a spark arresting device properly working.
Possessing or using a vehicle off National Forest System Roads, except when parking in areas completely cleared of all vegetation and operating a vehicle as described in a valid ARP Motor Vehicle Use Map.
Welding, or operating acetylene or other torch with open flame.
Discharge of a firearm, except when possessing a valid Colorado hunting license while lawfully involved in hunting and harvesting game during the appropriate season.

[merl]

yeah, dangerous precedent if fire bans also apply to shooting. There is a fire ban every single summer.

The part that really pisses me off. Wyoming, right across the border, same fire bans do not apply to shooting. This is for adjacent forests.

map:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5376173.pdf

[C.hud]

plan on shooting today in pike national forest, called the jeffco sheriffs and they said their current burn ban DOES NOT include target shooting.

[yankeefan98121]

awesome!

[wadero]

Got online to find out this exact information and knew to come here first.

[rockhound]

park county is in stage 2 so no shooting

STAGE II:
The following acts are prohibited on all private property, public land, roads and trails
described herein, until further notice:
1. Building, maintaining, attending, or using a fire or campfire.
2. Smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle or building, a developed recreation site or
while stopped in an area at least three feet in diameter that is barren or cleared of all
flammable materials.
3. Operating a chain saw without a USDA or SAE approved spark arresting device properly
installed and in effective working order, and have a chemical pressurized fire
extinguisher of not less than 8 ounces capacity by weight, and possessing one large size
pointed shovel with an overall length of at least 36 inches. The extinguisher shall be with
the chain saw operator; the shovel may be kept with the fueling supplies, but readily
available for quick use.
4. Operating motorized vehicles off designated roads or trails.
5. Blasting, welding or other activities, which generate flame or flammable material.
6. Fireworks and recreational shooting




jeffco:
e: Unincorporated Jefferson County enters full fire ban Jefferson County, Co. – Effective June 26, 2012 at 5:00 p.m., unincorporated Jefferson County entered a county-wide fire ban due to the increase in fire hazard conditions. Also, the Jefferson County Board of County Commissioners approved an ordinance giving the Sheriff the authority to ban the sale, use, or possession of fireworks in unincorporated Jefferson County.
Pursuant to the ordinance, the sale, use, or possession of fireworks in all of unincorporated Jefferson County is banned, including all federal lands. Violations of this fireworks ban shall be a class 2 petty offense and the penalty for a violation of this ordinance shall be a fine of not more than six hundred dollars ($600.00) for each separate violation.
What is allowed in a fire ban?
• Only devices that are liquid fueled or gas fueled are allowed. Simply put, gas grills, gas fire pits, gas stoves, and gas lanterns are allowed. The rule of thumb is whether or not the fire can be “turned off,” rather than “put out.”
• Charcoal grills are permitted at private residences only that are east of C470, east of Highway 93, and east and north of the intersection of C470 and Wadsworth Blvd.
What is not allowed in a fire ban?
• Charcoal grills are not permitted anywhere, including private residences, west of C470, west of Highway 93, and west and south of the intersection of C470 and Wadsworth Blvd.
• Anything which produces an open flame which is not liquid fueled or gas fueled. This includes tiki torches, fire pits, and chimineas’. This includes private residences.
• The use of any fireworks.
• Smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle or building, or while stopped in an area of at least three feet in diameter that is barren or cleared of all combustible material.
• Using any fire to burn trash, debris, fence rows or vegetation, or any campfire.
• Operating a chain saw without a USDA or SAE approved spark arresting device properly installed and in effective working order, and having a chemical pressurized fire extinguisher of not less than eight ounces capacity by weight, and possessing one large size pointed shovel with an overall length of at least thirty-six inches. The extinguisher shall be with the chain saw operator. The shovel may be kept with the fueling supplies, but readily available for quick use.
NOTE: The Sheriff’s Office will strictly enforce a zero tolerance policy on all fireworks violations in the fire ban area.
These bans are pursuant to the ordinance adopted at Jefferson County, Policy Part 3, Chapter 6, Section 2, authorizing the declaration of open fire and/or firework sale, use, or possession bans.

[car-15]

here is the order I dont see anything about not being able to shoot in it, would I? no, can you? looks like it....

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5377217.pdf

[Ridge]

here is the order I dont see anything about not being able to shoot in it, would I ? no, can you? looks like it....

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5377217.pdf

You are using an explosive device. Don't do it.

[car-15]

You are using an explosive device. Don't do it.
i'm with you, imho you would have to be out of your mind to shoot in the forest right now, but it dont look like they shut it down yet.