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It's that time of year again... or maybe just because we are reaching the end of 2012 and the pending apocalypse. UFO sightings are popping up left and right. Stories are hitting the news in greater numbers. Just a few I've seen are listed below.
Cattle mutilations in Colorado (repost yeah yeah)... (http://boingboing.net/2012/08/08/colorado-cattle-mutilations.html)
UFO/Nibiru spotted in Antarctica... (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/13/ufo-spotted-over-antarctica/?intcmp=features)
Brittain visited by a UFO every month but MoD says they pose no threat... (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9468022/Britain-visited-by-one-UFO-a-month-but-MoD-rules-they-pose-no-threat.html)
Former CIA case officer admits evidence of Roswell... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/08/roswell-ufo-cia-agent-chase-brandon_n_1657077.html)
What are your opinions on UFOs? Do you think they are extraterrestrial? or run by the US government? or maybe by some kind of shadow organization (e.g., X-Files Syndicate) controls them, to control us. Or do you think people just "see what they want to see".
Don't be afraid to put on your tinfoil for this thread guys. Everybody here is already certified by the current .gov as gun-nut crazies.
Thoughts?
BushMasterBoy
08-19-2012, 10:49
Drakes Theorem states there should be at least 6,000 other civilizations in our galaxy. We should be building starships like we build trucks, but cutting through the bureauracy and secrecy is the hardest part. Even the president refuses to confirm or deny the existence of extraterrestial beings and their spacecraft.
Drake Equation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation)
DARPA(Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) funded this creation, the "100 Year Starship" Project :
http://100yss.org/ (http://100yss.org/)
Recommended reading:
http://www.amazon.com/An-Introduction-Planetary-Defense-Extra-Terrestrial/dp/1581124473 (http://www.amazon.com/An-Introduction-Planetary-Defense-Extra-Terrestrial/dp/1581124473)
just my .02 cents
flan7211
08-19-2012, 11:00
Yeah not a tin foiler, but on the UFO thing something's gotta give. In the nearly infinite amount of space and star systems, there has to be some other life. Just saying.[Beer]
Come on guys! 45 views and only 10 votes...
The votes are private so don't be bashful.
Drakes Theorem states there should be at least 6,000 other civilizations in our galaxy. We should be building starships like we build trucks, but cutting through the bureauracy and secrecy is the hardest part. Even the president refuses to confirm or deny the existence of extraterrestial beings and their spacecraft.
Agreed. There is a good possibility that the president is an ET.
Aloha_Shooter
08-19-2012, 11:05
Unidentifed objects are real and some of them even fly but the obsession with little gray men as threat or salvation is ... comical. Statistically, there should be tons of other civilizations that have made it to some state of technology BUT they could have lived and died 5000 or more years ago or could still be climbing out of the swamps right now. Number of inhabitable planets in the universe or even galaxy aren't the only statistics to consider.
Unidentifed objects are real and some of them even fly but the obsession with little gray men as threat or salvation is ... comical. Statistically, there should be tons of other civilizations that have made it to some state of technology BUT they could have lived and died 5000 or more years ago or could still be climbing out of the swamps right now. Number of inhabitable planets in the universe or even galaxy aren't the only statistics to consider.
Not only that but at some point there are probably unbreakable laws of physics we haven't even discovered yet. There may very well be distances you simply cannot travel regardless of technology. Our movies have led us to believe that technology can solve any problem and I believe there are still limits.
I use to see them on the Saw Mill every day.[Tooth]
twitchyfinger
08-19-2012, 11:43
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[Coffee]
Uberjager
08-19-2012, 12:00
I love all the UFO conspiracy theories.
buffalobo
08-19-2012, 12:15
Come on guys! 45 views and only 10 votes...
The votes are private so don't be bashful.
Agreed. There is a good possibility that the president is an ET.
Hence the issues with the birth certificate.[Tooth]
To think we are the only advanced species in the galaxy, let alone the universe is hilarious.
Even if you take all the chances and dumb luck into account that came to our species coming to this point, there are many times more stars out there than that. And plenty of planets orbiting them.
Tinelement
08-19-2012, 12:27
They say space goes on forever, gotta be sumthing out there!
Holger Danske
08-19-2012, 12:56
They are piloted by nephelem
BPTactical
08-19-2012, 13:05
Hence the issues with the birth certificate.[Tooth]
Racist!
[Tooth]
buffalobo
08-19-2012, 13:20
Racist!
[Tooth]
Well played, perfect timing, nearly spit Dr. Pepper all over the screen.
[Beer]
mevshooter
08-19-2012, 13:24
Maybe people aren't voting because they don't agree with any of the answers.
I would have voted for the "I believe in the possibility" option, if there was one.
Maybe people aren't voting because they don't agree with any of the answers.
I would have voted for the "I believe in the possibility" option, if there was one.
I'd say that would be a vote for the "I want to believe" option. Maybe I should have avoided the use of X-files humor.
Sorry I can't possibly cover every category with this human brain.
SA Friday
08-19-2012, 14:19
You have to realize that the Milky Way galaxy is pretty remote in comparison to the rest of the known universe. Traveling to Earth by any other species would be quite a road-trip, and for what? WTF would another intelligent species want to discuss with us? "Hey, we know you guys can't agree with each other within your own countries much less the planet, but we travelled at infinite expense to just come say hi..." Uh huh.
The only reason another species would come here is for resource plundering and there are plenty of other planets they can go to for that without the long road trip. Hell, there's at least one other planet and another entire moon made of water within out own solar system. I doubt there is anything so rare on our planet that they would have to out this far to find and mine it.
Then there's the "intel gathering" theory. Once again, this would be a huge energy cost to simply check us out. A basic parameter on the edge of our galaxy would be a more cost effect method.
How about the "study" theory. Ya, maybe, but for a species that has the ability to travel light years of space, this would be like staring at an ant farm. Just don't see it.
So, long explanation short, no UFO's. Not intentionally at least. The only way I can see this happening is an accidental crash.
Great-Kazoo
08-19-2012, 14:21
OT somewhat, I have a cattle mutilation skull from the hills of CO. Once i find my camera i'll post a pic. loos like any other skull, except for that patch of hair even the ants did not mess with.
BushMasterBoy
08-19-2012, 14:26
I don't know of the authenticity of this video. I wonder if the saucer crashed or was shot down? It is my understanding that the saucer in Roswell was shot down as it was near the US only nuclear bomb wing. I just hope we don't kill some high ranking ET's and then get our asses stomped...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXQnMcofVGc
You have to realize that the Milky Way galaxy is pretty remote in comparison to the rest of the known universe. Traveling to Earth by any other species would be quite a road-trip, and for what?
Considering how I feel about driving across Kansas, any life form willing to cross vast distances of nothingness would be proof of drug influenced boredom or lack of real intelligence. [LOL]
Considering what we knew about the universe 500 years ago to what we believe today; then extrapolating that to what our understanding about the universe 500 years from now will be, provides a better perspective for my own ignorance.[Swim]
Be safe.
Come on guys! 45 views and only 10 votes...
The votes are private so don't be bashful.
Agreed. There is a good possibility that the president is an ET.
I don't buy a fundamental premise underlying your survey answers. Your answers based on the concept of extra-terrestrial Unidentified Flying Objects. There are other types of Unidentified Flying Objects.
There are Intelligent Origin UfOs such as at a shoot with reactive targets, 'Is that a a piece of the fender or a piece of the 25 lb gas bottle that was sitting on the Tannerite in that car?' Another example would be 'Is that a roof piece or fender flying through the air? as Jeremy Foley's car rolled down Pikes Peak. Then there is the classic flying saucer UFOs.
But there are also Natural Origin UFOs. Is that a newspaper or a 4x8 foot piece of plywood flying around that funnel cloud? Or how about climbing around some rocks at the sea shore. Was did that thing that flew through the air and landed on my back where I can't see it come from a passing seagull or did was it a splash from a wave hitting the rocks?
So yes I know there are UFOs. I have seen plenty of things, both of Intelligent Origin and Natural Origin that I are unidentifiable to me.
None of the answers cover all the UFOs I have seen.
[Coffee]
Have A Nice Day.
I get the whole argument of traveling over vast distances between neighboring stars. There are some enormous technological hurdles for us to get a man just across the solar system. But we've only been flying for like ~100 years. Human civilization is what, 8000 or so years old? So in just over 1% of the time we've been "advancing" we have driven the technology to put man into space. I just don't think we have a grasp of what is possible in say another 8000 years. As long as we don't blow ourselves up...
tmleadr03
08-19-2012, 15:34
The odds of another race existing? High. The odds of them existing at the same time as us? Low. They would have to hit the same evolutionary steps in tech at the same time as us or only 500 years ahead of us to be able to come visit us. Not likely. They have either died out after exploring the stars or are still in their form of primordial goo.
I don't buy a fundamental premise underlying your survey answers. Your answers based on the concept of extra-terrestrial Unidentified Flying Objects. There are other types of Unidentified Flying Objects.
There are Intelligent Origin UfOs such as at a shoot with reactive targets, 'Is that a a piece of the fender or a piece of the 25 lb gas bottle that was sitting on the Tannerite in that car?' Another example would be 'Is that a roof piece or fender flying through the air? as Jeremy Foley's car rolled down Pikes Peak. Then there is the classic flying saucer UFOs.
But there are also Natural Origin UFOs. Is that a newspaper or a 4x8 foot piece of plywood flying around that funnel cloud? Or how about climbing around some rocks at the sea shore. Was did that thing that flew through the air and landed on my back where I can't see it come from a passing seagull or did was it a splash from a wave hitting the rocks?
So yes I know there are UFOs. I have seen plenty of things, both of Intelligent Origin and Natural Origin that I are unidentifiable to me.
None of the answers cover all the UFOs I have seen.
[Coffee]
Have A Nice Day.
This poll covers a serious topic but I used some sarcasm and pop culture references in my choices. I'm sorry you (and others) can't participate, or that you have elected not to because you fail to see the underlying reason behind each of the possible responses.
No, It's just swamp gas = UFOs are due to unexplained events that are due to nature such as atmospheric disturbances, wind carrying garbage, etc.
"I want to believe". = This category means that you believe in the possible existence of UFOs but have not seen concrete evidence. A reference to Fox Mulder in the X-Files, a character who believed in the possible existence of UFOs and continued in the pursuit of truth behind their existence.
Yes, UFOs are real but controlled by humans. = All of the sightings are a result of man made equipment, spy planes, weather balloons, rockets, satellites, radar targets, equipment meant to deceive people into thinking there are aliens visiting us, etc.
Yes, UFOs are real and controlled by aliens. = Do I need to spell this one out?
I've been abducted (and think I saw theGinsue on the craft). = A reference to another thread posted recently on cattle mutilations in Colorado.
Next time I decide to write up a poll, I'll be sure to contact you first. [Beer]
To think we are the only advanced species in the galaxy, let alone the universe is hilarious.
Even if you take all the chances and dumb luck into account that came to our species coming to this point, there are many times more stars out there than that. And plenty of planets orbiting them.
I agree.
I voted "Yes, UFOs are real and controlled by aliens."
mevshooter
08-19-2012, 17:19
I'd say that would be a vote for the "I want to believe" option. Maybe I should have avoided the use of X-files humor.
Sorry I can't possibly cover every category with this human brain.
I understand the X-Files humor, but I don't really have any desire or "want" to believe in extraterrestrials. It doesn't do anything for me. But I believe in the possibility.
I know you can't possibly cover EVERY category with this human brain, but that also means quite a few people probably won't vote... like most polls.
[Beer]
OK, now that the terms have been defined, I went with "I want to believe."
I have definitely seen flying things I couldn't identify that I could believe were natural events.
I also believe the odds are that there is other intelligent life. But I don't know that they're out there. I also believe that we could be the only ones. I really like the idea that we aren't alone in this great big universe so I want to believe.
I have also had one thing I have seen that I trouble believing was natural. I have no idea whether it was a human or extraterrestrial alien in origin. It could have been either. It certainly doesn't fit in with anything I have read about.
I ain't touching the abduction thing.
I apologize for the smart ass response. I get kinda touchy about language. I have had some bad experiences with people asking inexact questions and then jumping me when I answer the the 'wrong' way. It's the old 'Have you quit beating your dog?' thing. If we had been face to face I would have asked for clarification of the terms to start the discussion.
It is an interestion discussion.
mevshooter
08-19-2012, 17:24
This poll covers a serious topic but I used some sarcasm and pop culture references in my choices. I'm sorry you (and others) can't participate, or that you have elected not to because you fail to see the underlying reason behind each of the possible responses.
No, It's just swamp gas = UFOs are due to unexplained events that are due to nature such as atmospheric disturbances, wind carrying garbage, etc.
"I want to believe". = This category means that you believe in the possible existence of UFOs but have not seen concrete evidence. A reference to Fox Mulder in the X-Files, a character who believed in the possible existence of UFOs and continued in the pursuit of truth behind their existence.
Yes, UFOs are real but controlled by humans. = All of the sightings are a result of man made equipment, spy planes, weather balloons, rockets, satellites, radar targets, equipment meant to deceive people into thinking there are aliens visiting us, etc.
Yes, UFOs are real and controlled by aliens. = Do I need to spell this one out?
I've been abducted (and think I saw theGinsue on the craft). = A reference to another thread posted recently on cattle mutilations in Colorado.
Next time I decide to write up a poll, I'll be sure to contact you first. [Beer]
If you want people's opinions, you're going to get them. Whether you get them in the way you desired to get them or not, ask and you shall receive.
It IS the internet and all.
And back sort of to the topic at hand, I find it interesting this assumption that other "intelligent" forms of life wouldn't have the exact same problems that we do. We would be the only species or creatures that struggle with war, poverty, violence, etc? I think THAT concept is absurd. I would be more likely to believe what someone else mentioned that many other civilizations have come and gone do to war and conflict than they are just simply avoiding us because of our "problems."
Or they have the EXACT same problems as us and don't see it going any better than what they are currently dealing with.
akumadiavolo
08-19-2012, 17:54
I do believe aliens exist, but that they have never been here and likely never will. I think what people see are optical illusions and occasionally experimental craft and such.
If you want people's opinions, you're going to get them. Whether you get them in the way you desired to get them or not, ask and you shall receive.
I apologize for the smart ass response. I get kinda touchy about language. I have had some bad experiences with people asking inexact questions and then jumping me when I answer the the 'wrong' way. It's the old 'Have you quit beating your dog?' thing. If we had been face to face I would have asked for clarification of the terms to start the discussion.
No worries, I'm not trying to be argumentative guys. I was trying to keep it light but I realize how the questions can seem kind of silly.
I didn't vote because there was no option that read "Of course".
Also didn't read any of the other comments and don't know if it was mentioned yet or not but here goes:
UFOs, (Unidentified Flying Objects) do exist and it would be foolish to think otherwise..... anything from a football to a plane can be a ufo depending on circumstances. If something wasn't clearly observed, perhaps light refraction, weather, or whatever did not allow for positive identification of something passing through the air.... then it can fall into the "ufo" category. Now if the discussion is "Do extra-terrestrials and ET flying crafts exist?" then you have a pondering question.[Coffee]
My opinion: Sure, though I have not seen or experienced anything to fully support that. Only logical thought suggesting that if we, (humans) exist, it should be quite possible other capable creatures could exist and perhaps they have the technology to travel to other worlds such as our own.
If I were to see something I felt was an alien craft, can't clearly say how I'd react other than excersize extreme caution and stay out of its way/sight if possible. Not entirely interested in finding out first hand if whatever is piloting said craft is friendly or not, but if its not acting hostile toward me, I'm simply vacating the area.
Badger
You have to realize that the Milky Way galaxy is pretty remote in comparison to the rest of the known universe. Traveling to Earth by any other species would be quite a road-trip, and for what? WTF would another intelligent species want to discuss with us? "Hey, we know you guys can't agree with each other within your own countries much less the planet, but we travelled at infinite expense to just come say hi..." Uh huh.
The only reason another species would come here is for resource plundering and there are plenty of other planets they can go to for that without the long road trip. Hell, there's at least one other planet and another entire moon made of water within out own solar system. I doubt there is anything so rare on our planet that they would have to out this far to find and mine it.
Then there's the "intel gathering" theory. Once again, this would be a huge energy cost to simply check us out. A basic parameter on the edge of our galaxy would be a more cost effect method.
How about the "study" theory. Ya, maybe, but for a species that has the ability to travel light years of space, this would be like staring at an ant farm. Just don't see it.
So, long explanation short, no UFO's. Not intentionally at least. The only way I can see this happening is an accidental crash.
Hmmm...remote you say? We keep our cattle and pig farms relatively remote. Why wouldn't aliens keep their favorite tasty animal in remote locations? As soon as the farm population gets dense enough, its time to harvest.
[Twist]
You have to realize that the Milky Way galaxy is pretty remote in comparison to the rest of the known universe. Traveling to Earth by any other species would be quite a road-trip, and for what? WTF would another intelligent species want to discuss with us? "Hey, we know you guys can't agree with each other within your own countries much less the planet, but we travelled at infinite expense to just come say hi..." Uh huh.
The only reason another species would come here is for resource plundering and there are plenty of other planets they can go to for that without the long road trip. Hell, there's at least one other planet and another entire moon made of water within out own solar system. I doubt there is anything so rare on our planet that they would have to out this far to find and mine it.
Then there's the "intel gathering" theory. Once again, this would be a huge energy cost to simply check us out. A basic parameter on the edge of our galaxy would be a more cost effect method.
How about the "study" theory. Ya, maybe, but for a species that has the ability to travel light years of space, this would be like staring at an ant farm. Just don't see it.
So, long explanation short, no UFO's. Not intentionally at least. The only way I can see this happening is an accidental crash.
Couldn't you apply all of this to just about every old world explorer? "Hey Columbus, don't bother risking your life trying to cross the unknown, we can just go invade France."
I've seen weird stuff in the sky, and so has half the folks I know. It was no sort of aircraft or meteor or the usual stuff. I do not know what it was. I do think it's pretty stupid to assume that something weird you see in the sky has to be from another planet though.
buckshotbarlow
08-20-2012, 21:33
i believe in illegal aliens in the office of the president...does that count for anything? Wait, so that would mean his vp is a ufo cuz it always has garbage coming out of it...?
SA Friday
08-20-2012, 21:47
Couldn't you apply all of this to just about every old world explorer? "Hey Columbus, don't bother risking your life trying to cross the unknown, we can just go invade France."
No, not at all. Columbus was attempting to establish a more direct and controllable trade route with south east asia for the financial gain of Spain. There was both a monetary and resource benefit from it. The cost was relatively inexpensive for Spain too.
I get the whole argument of traveling over vast distances between neighboring stars. There are some enormous technological hurdles for us to get a man just across the solar system. But we've only been flying for like ~100 years. Human civilization is what, 8000 or so years old? So in just over 1% of the time we've been "advancing" we have driven the technology to put man into space. I just don't think we have a grasp of what is possible in say another 8000 years. As long as we don't blow ourselves up...
technology has a funny way of reaching a plateau. its happened all across time for various reasons. also, its not so much we know how to do it and just need the fuel or energy or composite to get there. it defies physics as we know them, which don't get me wrong, theories of physics and chemistry are proved wrong all the time, but to make that leap is more difficult.
I don't know of the authenticity of this video. I wonder if the saucer crashed or was shot down? It is my understanding that the saucer in Roswell was shot down as it was near the US only nuclear bomb wing. I just hope we don't kill some high ranking ET's and then get our asses stomped...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXQnMcofVGc
thats fake as hell. not directing any animosity, just saying its fake as hell.
I had an Uncle that worked at Area 51. He recently (couple years ago) died on the base. Don't know what the hell he did in the Air Force. I know he once was going to retire and they gave him money to stay. He told my cousin once that people like him don't get to retire. Well he was set to retire and came up dead...yea we all think its weird. No secret that he worked at the base..people from the base stayed with my cousin for a couple weeks after he died just to make sure they were ok. Told them that he was part of a very tight knit family and thats why they stayed with her like that. She nick named them spy one and spy two.
Who ever and whatever my uncle did I have no clue, but I know he knew experimental aircraft. Only reason I know this is because he told me that when he retired from the Air Force his friend had a job waiting for him in that field.
Now how it relates to this post. Once at his house my little brother pestered him the entire time about,"Are there Aliens". After a few days he told my little brother to shut the fuck up!! There's no such thing as aliens!!! That's words from the highest security clearance guy I'll ever know. Now maybe his was just getting pissed...maybe it was hitting a nerve because little brother was getting warm. The world may never know...but that's the only time I ever seen my uncle get mad or use language like that towards a kid. He was normally a very easy going kind of quiet guy.
I have a theory I want to share... What if there is intelligent life capable of coming here? Do you honestly believe that they want to come visit us? I think they'd be afraid we'd either A) Shoot on sight (I mean really, look at our movies), B) Capture them and "probe" them- the government would love to see what makes them tick, or C) Try and fork them (See Captain Kirk). Plus I don't think we'd be invited to the intergalactic assembly when they find out some teenager threw her newborn baby into a dumpster.
I had an Uncle that worked at Area 51. He recently (couple years ago) died on the base. Don't know what the hell he did in the Air Force. I know he once was going to retire and they gave him money to stay. He told my cousin once that people like him don't get to retire. Well he was set to retire and came up dead...yea we all think its weird.
One of the biggest "secrets" surrounding Area 51 is that it is an ecological nightmare. Lots of highly toxic chemical waste that is not being handled in a safe manner. EPA has no jurisdiction there. A lot of people have gotten seriously ill, and some of these chemicals are experimental so no-one knows the health hazards or long term effects. I heard that there is at least one secret landfill just off base filled with improperly sealed 50 gallon drums of mystery waste, and that spills occur fairly regularly.
No "aliens" though.
CrufflerSteve
08-21-2012, 10:52
I think there probably many other intelligent life forms out there. Some might even be into exploration.
I simply do not understand why they would travel light years just to look up people's butts. Proctologists from another world?
Steve
Intelligent life on other planets? Hell, I'm still trying to find intelligent life on THIS one...[ROFL1]
My take is that in the last 100 years we just figured out how to fly, got space craft and traveled a decent distance (relative to the universe), but what we have really done is probably just walked to the end of the driveway when there is an entire neighborhood to explore.
I would guess there is some sort of other life form out there and once we reach far enough we may very well see them. Money, War, technology, and the desire to get there will all have a major impact on how far we get.
Intelligent life on other planets? Hell, I'm still trying to find intelligent life on THIS one...[ROFL1]
Well, your first problem is you need to stop looking for it in DC and CA! [Tooth]
I have a theory I want to share... What if there is intelligent life capable of coming here? Do you honestly believe that they want to come visit us? I think they'd be afraid we'd either A) Shoot on sight (I mean really, look at our movies), B) Capture them and "probe" them- the government would love to see what makes them tick, or C) Try and fork them (See Captain Kirk). Plus I don't think we'd be invited to the intergalactic assembly when they find out some teenager threw her newborn baby into a dumpster.
Ok, I'll play along, all opinion, logic based and purely entertainment/hypothesis of course:
What if there is intelligent life capable of coming here? Do you honestly believe that they want to come visit us?
Perhaps there is a vested interest? Not to add ingredients and stir the pot a little more, but when you compare the human species to the others on this planet, we do seem to hold some unfair advantages even though on a level to level account I'd wager money on wildlife nearly every time because..... we human break easy by comparison. What if one of the particular species on this planet, (human ancestor) was 'augmented' or otherwise experimented with in such a way to cause our evolutionary differences? Its a thought.... I'm not really sure the answer is up our ass, maybe someone should tell these aliens that a sample will come out on its own.... unassisted, or even a laxative..... I'm sure, much more comfortable for the control sample than to shove something up there to go looking for it. Just saying.....
I think they'd be afraid we'd either A) Shoot on sight (I mean really, look at our movies), B) Capture them and "probe" them- the government would love to see what makes them tick
Well, ponder our human "instincts".... we're one of the creatures that tends to look toward light sources.... have you seen the movie Cowboys & Aliens yet? Entertaining and interesting in my humble opinion, good movie.... wish Olivia Wilde would have shown a little more, but still, worth watching. While we're not the only creature on this planet its an exploitable trait and one we even use against each other.
We also respond to various stimuli that can disable or render us passive. Maybe an alien source with a vested interest is already aware of this and isn't afraid of our feeble technology.
If we capture and probe one of them that too is a scientific learning experience for them. It suggests that what/if any augmentation our species may have gone through has evolved into question and study for our further evolution.
Lastly does anyone remember back in the day when channels like Discovery and Nat Geo presents, simply observed a creature in the wilds and didn't intrude too much? Or am I falling back into "old guy" status again?.... Anyway, to watch and observe can be a good thing for both the studying party and the studied. Again, all just thoughts.....
For all I know we could be just like a mound of ants awaiting that great magnifying glass held by the all powerful 9 year old with an afternoon of boredom and curiousity ahead otherwise.
Badger
technology has a funny way of reaching a plateau. its happened all across time for various reasons. also, its not so much we know how to do it and just need the fuel or energy or composite to get there. it defies physics as we know them, which don't get me wrong, theories of physics and chemistry are proved wrong all the time, but to make that leap is more difficult.
But then we use muscle confusion and interrupt that plateau! Seriously though, humans tend to break barriers. That's what we do best, for better, or worse.
I had an Uncle that worked at Area 51. He recently (couple years ago) died on the base. Don't know what the hell he did in the Air Force. I know he once was going to retire and they gave him money to stay. He told my cousin once that people like him don't get to retire. Well he was set to retire and came up dead...yea we all think its weird. No secret that he worked at the base..people from the base stayed with my cousin for a couple weeks after he died just to make sure they were ok. Told them that he was part of a very tight knit family and thats why they stayed with her like that. She nick named them spy one and spy two.
Who ever and whatever my uncle did I have no clue, but I know he knew experimental aircraft. Only reason I know this is because he told me that when he retired from the Air Force his friend had a job waiting for him in that field.
Now how it relates to this post. Once at his house my little brother pestered him the entire time about,"Are there Aliens". After a few days he told my little brother to shut the fuck up!! There's no such thing as aliens!!! That's words from the highest security clearance guy I'll ever know. Now maybe his was just getting pissed...maybe it was hitting a nerve because little brother was getting warm. The world may never know...but that's the only time I ever seen my uncle get mad or use language like that towards a kid. He was normally a very easy going kind of quiet guy.
Apparently he wasn't at work the day of the interrogation [ROFL1]
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Regarding Kirk and Star Trek...
How about the Prime Directive? No interference with alien life...just observation? How many times did ya hear that one on Star Trek? Maybe the life out there just wants to observe? I'd pay a dollar to watch the amazing stuff that goes on this planet. Comedy/tragedy every second of the day.
Considering they only ever brought it up to explain why they should ignore it this one time...
I think the whole anal probing thing is a product of popular culture. After all, where is generally the last place you want something jammed up into, even during the most comfortable situations?
sure but my point is technological advances aren't always exponential. remember back to the future part 2? the date that marty went to the future was actually just like a month ago, sometime in july 2012. now sure its a movie but much of the world thought life would really be like that, flying cars and all of these ridiculous electrical devices. we have some of that, but really things haven't changed as much as people in the 80s figured they would. after all, computers were on the rise and developments were being made daily. even now small advances are being made but we haven't come near as far as people assumed. sometimes technology is funny in that many advances are made quickly, and then it levels out for many years, sometimes hundreds. there are certain points where the laws of physics and chemistry have to be completely disproven and broken in order to move forward and that doesn't always happen in a short amount of time, no matter how advanced.
plus, things like war can set us back, or move us forward. if a serious world war ever broke out again, with the amount of devastating weapons even small nations have these days, i think scientific discoveries could take a serious hit. as is always the case some advances in military technology would happen but basic scientific research would in many ways be put on hold.
all i am saying is it is a mistake to assume that our development will be exponential.
But then we use muscle confusion and interrupt that plateau! Seriously though, humans tend to break barriers. That's what we do best, for better, or worse.
Apparently he wasn't at work the day of the interrogation [ROFL1]
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all i am saying is it is a mistake to assume that our development will be exponential.
I think that developments never fail to be exponential, just not in the way that people think. People in the 80's could imagine a flying car much more easily than an Iphone for example.
Aloha_Shooter
08-22-2012, 06:48
If you want people's opinions, you're going to get them. Whether you get them in the way you desired to get them or not, ask and you shall receive.
It IS the internet and all.
Yep and I refused to participate in the poll for precisely the same reason SandD did. You got my opinion in the text, figure it into the results however you want.
ANADRILL
08-22-2012, 07:34
Has anyone been to Skinwalker ranch? It's close, so I figure someone here has taken the time to go.
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