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I am looking for a Taurus TCP for my ex in California. She has had some shady people follow her around, and I want her to be able to protect my Daughter. I have read that the TCP .380 is illegal to have in California. I do not see why it would. Can someone please explain? And also how would she go about getting a permit to carry? When I lived there you had to have a legit reason to have a permit (attempts on your life and stalkers ect) I know this place sucks and she should move, but that is not an option right now. I told her to get a Gunbroker account, and that I would try to find someone who would ship to her. I have looked on GB and they are saying the TCP .380 cannot be shipped to Comifornia. I know Taurus is frowned apon by some people here, but I like them and it is in her price range. I would not mind a Kel-tec or Ruger either. Thanks for your help.
wctriumph
10-14-2012, 19:08
If she wants a gun she can go to any gun shop and purchase a legal gun as long as she can pass a background check. All private sales must also go through a gun shop w/ background check. There will be a 10 day waiting period on all sales I believe.
As far as getting a permit to carry, unless she lives in Kern County and is white, or knows someone, forget it, ain't gonna happen my friend.
None of my business but if she lives and hangs out with shady people, you may want to try and get your daughter back with you.
clublights
10-14-2012, 19:16
Doesn't Cali have a " list of approved pistols" ?
clublights
10-14-2012, 19:26
Yup they do
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov
SideShow Bob
10-14-2012, 19:30
I'm guessing here, but I imagine that the reason it is not on the CA. Approved list, is that it is not a model that will not fire when the magazine is removed.
CA. Has some strange requirements, and some manufactures would rather not re-engineer their firearms just to be able to sell in that state.
If she wants a gun she can go to any gun shop and purchase a legal gun as long as she can pass a background check. All private sales must also go through a gun shop w/ background check. There will be a 10 day waiting period on all sales I believe.
As far as getting a permit to carry, unless she lives in Kern County and is white, or knows someone, forget it, ain't gonna happen my friend.
None of my business but if she lives and hangs out with shady people, you may want to try and get your daughter back with you.It is not the people she is hanging out with, it is the town she lives in (VALLEJO) and it is really bad there right now. She is a really good mom and is not what I am worried about. Today she went to a bad part of town and had some dude follow her to 3 different stores.
Approved list, is that it is not a model that will not fire when the magazine is removed.
That's not the case. There are plenty of pistols on the list that are capable of firing without a magazine. To get on the list a manufacturer has to submit a certain number of pistols for testing. Every variation has to be done separatly and not many manufacturers are willing to send that many guns. A famous case is that you can only get a .44 desert eagle in black because the different finishes make it a different gun for some reason. There are also restrictions on overall dimensions in some areas which was originally done to make saturday night specials illegal. California...hilarious!
Regarding the CCW...pretty much just Kern and maybe a couple other mid-state counties. They are also only valid in the county it is issued for so there's no traveling around with it. Last time I checked the number of ccw's in LA county numbered in the twenties. Before that it was the thirties so it's going down. That should give you an idea of what's going on out there.
If you want to make sure she gets a gun then the easiest way is for her to go to a local shop and buy one. To get a gun transfered she has to do a background check and wait ten days anyway. At least that way it has to be on the list so no worries there.
Of course she won't be able to legally carry it around in a state where it would do much good in a pinch. That's just the way it is. Take it or leave it.
UncleDave
10-14-2012, 20:21
All handguns have to pass a drop test, which some manufacturers do not want to pay for, and have to have a magazine safety read as gun cannot fire with mag removed. Your ex will have to potters a basic handgun safety test and the DROS and 10 day wait. For a CCW, depends on the county most forget about it. What county is she in?
this thread shows how limited your rights really are in CA. makes me appreciate our laws here
UncleDave
10-14-2012, 20:27
Ok she is in Solano County. I grew up there. Vallejo is terrible, think Mad Max. No way she is getting a permit there. The good news is as long as the weapon is legal most cops don't care of you carry and it is a class b misdemeanor. So in Vallejo I used to carry permit or no.
All handguns have to pass a drop test, which some manufacturers do not want to pay for, and have to have a magazine safety read as gun cannot fire with mag removed. Your ex will have to potters a basic handgun safety test and the DROS and 10 day wait. For a CCW, depends on the county most forget about it. What county is she in?Solano county.
Wow you can have a FN 5.7 but not a Taurus TCP. And Cobra Patriot 45 and all the cheap saturday night specials. The gun list is stupid.
There are two other things I didn't mention in my previous post.
First is that the Handgun Safety Certificate isn't that big of a deal. It costs $25, is good for 5 years, and any place that sells handguns is required to give the test. It just takes a few minutes for a few pretty easy questions and a quicker handling test. Turner's Outdoorsman is a suprisingly good resource for this stuff. http://www.turners.com/engage/video_study_guide.php is a video guide and http://www.turners.com/engage/faq.php#a is a general faq to California gun ownership. I applaud them for making things as easy and clear for California shooters.
Second, and most importantly, I really hope things work out for them and your daughter remains safe. Mostly that it happens without either of them ever needing a gun.
As stated, have her go to a gun shop there and get one, it's much easier. If you try to buy one here and have it shipped to her FFL there, the FFL here has to do a small load of shitty paper work to get it sent into Comifornia, it's not like most other states. All of the FFL's here in the Taint refuse to send anything there because of the paper work.
spqrzilla
10-14-2012, 21:56
The good news is as long as the weapon is legal most cops don't care of you carry and it is a class b misdemeanor. So in Vallejo I used to carry permit or no.
Not true the last time I checked. It is prosecutor discretion whether to prosecute as a felony or misdemeanor.
I am looking for a Taurus TCP for my ex in California. She has had some shady people follow her around, and I want her to be able to protect my Daughter.
Your ex..
FAIL.
Does that make it more clear for you?
Thanks for the your help guys. What about carrying it in her car? I know one of the biggest things would be piece of mind at home, so that alone would be worth 300.00 to her. I have heard really bad things about the Cobra Patriot 45 acp, and some good things. Jeff from Gunblast seems to like it, as far as I know he seems to know his stuff. I ask cause that is one of the only smaller 45's on the list of guns.
The car is also a no go. The gun has to be in a locked container, unloaded, with no ammunition touching the gun, and out of reach of the driver. That's the simple breakdown of the law. "Locked" doesn't have to be much, though. My container was a regular, non-descript backpack with a little combination luggage lock and the ammo was in the outer pocket. There may be something about it only being lawful going to and from the range. Since I worked at one I that was almost always the case with me but I can't remember if that was an actual, obscure law or some stupid thing I heard some random idiot say. I have to look that up. Either way, once again the rules make it very hard to get to and use a gun in an emergency situation. It sucks. The people that wrote the laws had no grasp of the realities people face using firearms as a hobby, protection, or breaking the law.
Two more things for you to do. Go check out www.calguns.net (http://www.calguns.net/) which is the local forum for the state and a book called "How to Own a Gun and Stay Out of Jail" which has a homepage here http://www.gunlawpress.com/. Both of those are kept up to date with the latest legislation and all kinds of helpful info.
I don't know how experienced she is with shooting but I wouldn't recommend a small .45. It's been my experience that someone who can shoot their gun confidently is in much better shape than someone who can't. That means practice and most people won't do it (especially women) if it means using a punishing gun. These days a good hollowpoint will negate much of the 9 vs 40 vs 45 thing. Maybe a revolver she so she can get range time with 38 special and bump it to 357 magnum for home? Maybe a shotgun? You know her better than I do. Just my 2 cents.
The car is also a no go. The gun has to be in a locked container, unloaded, with no ammunition touching the gun, and out of reach of the driver. That's the simple breakdown of the law. "Locked" doesn't have to be much, though. My container was a regular, non-descript backpack with a little combination luggage lock and the ammo was in the outer pocket. There may be something about it only being lawful going to and from the range. Since I worked at one I that was almost always the case with me but I can't remember if that was an actual, obscure law or some stupid thing I heard some random idiot say. I have to look that up. Either way, once again the rules make it very hard to get to and use a gun in an emergency situation. It sucks. The people that wrote the laws had no grasp of the realities people face using firearms as a hobby, protection, or breaking the law.
I don't know how experienced she is with shooting but I wouldn't recommend a small .45. It's been my experience that someone who can shoot their gun confidently is in much better shape than someone who can't. That means practice and most people won't do it (especially women) if it means using a punishing gun. These days a good hollowpoint will negate much of the 9 vs 40 vs 45 thing. Maybe a revolver she so she can get range time with 38 special and bump it to 357 magnum for home? Maybe a shotgun? You know her better than I do. Just my 2 cents.I was just thinking about the 2-3 inch barrel, expanding issues with smaller rounds. I figure if you have a 45 you do not need to worry about expanding issues. As far as gun experience she has none, I am still talking her into the idea of getting one. I explained to her that she needs training, cause without it the gun might end up being used against her. I am going to teach her what I can when I go out, after that I was planning on having her take a class. I am not aware if anything exists like that there do to their stupid laws. Seems like the criminals have more right in Comifornia than the people do. I am thinking that she would be okay with a bigger gun with me teaching her, but I guess I could be way off base.
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2012, 23:49
I was just thinking about the 2-3 inch barrel, expanding issues with smaller rounds. I figure if you have a 45 you do not need to worry about expanding issues. As far as gun experience she has none, I am still talking her into the idea of getting one. I explained to her that she needs training, cause without it the gun might end up being used against her. I am going to teach her what I can when I go out, after that I was planning on having her take a class. I am not aware if anything exists like that there do to their stupid laws. Seems like the criminals have more right in Comifornia than the people do. I am thinking that she would be okay with a bigger gun with me teaching her, but I guess I could be way off base.
People need to stop equating BIGGER with being OK. Here's what you need to ask yourself and the X.
Can she clear a jam in under 1.5 sec
Can she rack the slide if a FTFire happens in under 1.5 sec
Can she clear a stovepipe in under 1.5 sec
I am going out on limb and say the answer to all the above is no. Your level of training transferring over to an inexperienced shooter no matter how much you know, will only sink in and register so far.
She doesn't need a bigger gun, she needs a gun she can handle well, be able to hit COM (consistently) with, feel comfortable and confident with, every time she uses it.
Get her a revolver and let her learn on that. Getting her a 40 or 45 because that is what you feel comfortable with could put her in danger if not cost her, her life.
What works for you sure as hell does not work for every one. I cannot tell you how many MEN sent their SO to a class with their 45, and they were a danger to not only themselves but anyone within range.
Once in CA see about going to an indoor range that rents guns. Spend the money, before spending the money.
Fell free to Flame away.
Why not a .38 revolver? Very user friendly for an inexperienced shooter and unlikely to ever jam. A hell of a lot more reliable than a Cobra or a TCP.
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2012, 23:51
The car is also a no go. The gun has to be in a locked container, unloaded, with no ammunition touching the gun, and out of reach of the driver. That's the simple breakdown of the law. "Locked" doesn't have to be much, though. My container was a regular, non-descript backpack with a little combination luggage lock and the ammo was in the outer pocket. There may be something about it only being lawful going to and from the range. Since I worked at one I that was almost always the case with me but I can't remember if that was an actual, obscure law or some stupid thing I heard some random idiot say. I have to look that up. Either way, once again the rules make it very hard to get to and use a gun in an emergency situation. It sucks. The people that wrote the laws had no grasp of the realities people face using firearms as a hobby, protection, or breaking the law.
Two more things for you to do. Go check out www.calguns.net (http://www.calguns.net/) which is the local forum for the state and a book called "How to Own a Gun and Stay Out of Jail" which has a homepage here http://www.gunlawpress.com/. Both of those are kept up to date with the latest legislation and all kinds of helpful info.
I don't know how experienced she is with shooting but I wouldn't recommend a small .45. It's been my experience that someone who can shoot their gun confidently is in much better shape than someone who can't. That means practice and most people won't do it (especially women) if it means using a punishing gun. These days a good hollowpoint will negate much of the 9 vs 40 vs 45 thing. Maybe a revolver she so she can get range time with 38 special and bump it to 357 magnum for home? Maybe a shotgun? You know her better than I do. Just my 2 cents.
^Amen^
People need to stop equating BIGGER with being OK. Here's what you need to ask yourself and the X.
Can she clear a jam in under 1.5 sec
Can she rack the slide if a FTFire happens in under 1.5 sec
Can she clear a stovepipe in under 1.5 sec
I am going out on limb and say the answer to all the above is no. Your level of training transferring over to an inexperienced shooter no matter how much you know, will only sink in and register so far.
She doesn't need a bigger gun, she needs a gun she can handle well, be able to hit COM (consistently) with, feel comfortable and confident with, every time she uses it.
Get her a revolver and let her learn on that. Getting her a 40 or 45 because that is what you feel comfortable with could put her in danger if not cost her, her life.
What works for you sure as hell does not work for every one. I cannot tell you how many MEN sent their SO to a class with their 45, and they were a danger to not only themselves but anyone within range.
Once in CA see about going to an indoor range that rents guns. Spend the money, before spending the money.
Fell free to Flame away.I know there is a lot of people on here that know a lot more about guns and training then I do, you being one of them. I can shoot and I have had a good amount of training, I have also taught other people how to shoot. As a matter of fact that is one of the things I do for my company. I was just going off of the limited guns in her price range that are on the lists. Do you really think a revolver is best? One of the things she is worried about is having enough time to rack the slide. Being that there would be kids in the house it would never have one in the pipe. I have never liked having revolvers around kids being they are to easy to operate, so this is one thing I would worry about. But that would be something we could work on if a revolver is better for her. Thanks
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2012, 00:13
I know there is a lot of people on here that know a lot more about guns and training then I do, you being one of them. I can shoot and I have had a good amount of training, I have also taught other people how to shoot. As a matter of fact that is one of the things I do for my company. I was just going off of the limited guns in her price range that are on the lists. Do you really think a revolver is best? One of the things she is worried about is having enough time to rack the slide. Being that there would be kids in the house it would never have one in the pipe. I have never liked having revolvers around kids being they are to easy to operate, so this is one thing I would worry about. But that would be something we could work on if a revolver is better for her. Thanks
You just answered your own questions. Why carry a gun if it's not loaded??
If she has the gun it should be on her person, in the home.
Any gun is easy to operate. One of the biggest problems i have with CA and i have many ,is the legal / liability issues of safe gun storage. From what i understand, from the people that live there. If your gun falls in to someone's hands you are held liable. That means in the home, locked (trigger) in a gun safe and no access from any one else. All these answers regarding safe storage, i believe can be found on the CADOJ web site, and also a few CA hometown gun boards.
As for gun training and CCW, few if any counties issue to civilians, san bernidido cty does. The state of CA requires you to attend one of their approved firearms classes IF you are lucky enough to have the CCW option. Our daughter was unable to use a NRA cert from me as i am not a CA resident. She was required to attend a CA approved course even though she is a current CA LE. Ca doesn't give a shit about anyone's safety.
I honestly think a revolver is a good option for people that may not keep up their training but there are some downsides. I'll address what I took as your main concern about having kids in the house. I firmly believe that until they know how to safely handle it and what the consequences of taking that lightly are, they should have NO access to it and maybe not know it's there. It should be kept locked up in a place they can't get to it. Tethering a little gun vault on a top closet shelf is one example. This goes with any gun, though.
As far as other aspects of a revolver go there are many advantages and disadvantages ranging from ease of use to limited capacity and a double action pull that can make a shooter dangerously innacurate. She needs to figure that stuff out on her own by seriously trying a few things. Not just taking a few flinching shots and gingerly holding a couple guns at a counter. A good class should square her away on that. I kinda wish she was in the LA area so I could recommend my old range and the guy that did the basic pistol training there.
The other option is that she doesn't get a gun. If there are any doubts that she would not learn to use it properly it can be way more of a danger to have around. If she was closer and you could responsibly help out and see that it's getting done that would be one thing but you're here in another state. You have to use your own judgement there. I wouldn't dream of making the final call about your situation. It's a tough one.
You just answered your own questions. Why carry a gun if it's not loaded??
If she has the gun it should be on her person, in the home.
Any gun is easy to operate. One of the biggest problems i have with CA and i have many ,is the legal / liability issues of safe gun storage. From what i understand, from the people that live there. If your gun falls in to someone's hands you are held liable. That means in the home, locked (trigger) in a gun safe and no access from any one else. All these answers regarding safe storage, i believe can be found on the CADOJ web site, and also a few CA hometown gun boards.
As for gun training and CCW, few if any counties issue to civilians, san bernidido cty does. The state of CA requires you to attend one of their approved firearms classes IF you are lucky enough to have the CCW option. Our daughter was unable to use a NRA cert from me as i am not a CA resident. She was required to attend a CA approved course even though she is a current CA LE. Ca doesn't give a shit about anyone's safety.I have just always figured if I did not have the time to rack a slide I am screwed anyway, just my reasoning. My whole life I have always kept my mags loaded and the chamber empty, I would not feel comfortable changing that now. The only time I carry locked and loaded is at work, and that is usually with a 1911 or OSS. That was the way I was brought up and it makes me feel comfortable with my kids. Now do not get me wrong my kids are very well informed on guns and know better than to pick one up. You cannot hand my 5 year old a gun without him being able to look into the slide/cylinder and checking for a magazine, before slide is closed. My 2 year old is learning what he can, but he is only 2 so naturally I do not have the trust I do with my older boy. I could be totally backwards on how I am teaching them, and how I have taught myself but that is what I am comfortable with. Please forgive my grammar by the way never my best subject.
UncleDave
10-15-2012, 06:05
Not true the last time I checked. It is prosecutor discretion whether to prosecute as a felony or misdemeanor.
Sorry you are misinformed. The only time that this is a wobbling charge, one that can go either way is if there are aggravating circumstances. For instance an assault charge. Otherwise it is a simple misdemeanor that is easy to beat.
A far as kids in the house. When I was growing up in the 70-80's in the farming area of Solano everyone had guns, no one locked them up and kids knew not to touch them without dad's permission. That was a different world though. How old is your daughter? If old enough she should be doing training with mom. I started shooting at 5 years old. For home forget the trigger locks and get one of those biometric handgun safes. They are not more than $150. If you want to get the gun for her, have her go to one of the indoor ranges that rent guns and have her try out a selection. There are a number of good shops near there. Then once she is comfortable with one send her the money.
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2012, 07:48
Sorry you are misinformed. The only time that this is a wobbling charge, one that can go either way is if there are aggravating circumstances. For instance an assault charge. Otherwise it is a simple misdemeanor that is easy to beat.
A far as kids in the house. When I was growing up in the 70-80's in the farming area of Solano everyone had guns, no one locked them up and kids knew not to touch them without dad's permission. That was a different world though. How old is your daughter? If old enough she should be doing training with mom. I started shooting at 5 years old. For home forget the trigger locks and get one of those biometric handgun safes. They are not more than $150. If you want to get the gun for her, have her go to one of the indoor ranges that rent guns and have her try out a selection. There are a number of good shops near there. Then once she is comfortable with one send her the money.
Remember we are talking about CA not CO. Their mentality is similar to the UK when it comes to guns. Use the gun in self defense and you are the criminal. EVERYTHING hinges on what county you live in.
The ownership of a gun is worlds apart from LA to San Bernadino to Fresno counties. In one cty you sign up for a CCW class and within 60 days (not incl 10 day wait) you have a ccw. In another don't waste you time.
The penalty while state mandated are then viewed by the DA who has your future in their hands.
There are down sides to a revolver, the biggest is round capacity. The up side is a revolver is a no brainer when it comes to operating it. Like that old camera ad. Point and Shoot. 5 rounds in a situation knowing how to use it trumps 7-17 rounds with too many oops factors.
Gun safety is universal, yet in CA your gun does not have a trigger lock and in safe storage, Jail Time, once again depending on what cty depends on how sever a penalty you receive. They cannot sell you a gun in CA unless you receive instruction on the proper use of a trigger lock
A good pepper streaming canister (not spray) such as the MK IV that is mfg in wyo produces a solid 20' + stream of slow down to stopping power. This might allow them to flee a scene safely. Great use in a home where children are. Out in the genpop 5-6 shot revolver is a great confidence enhancer for the less trained and comfort level shooter.
EVERYTHING will be determined by what the X feels comfortable with. Some women just don't like revolvers or pistols. Find out what works then go from there.
UncleDave
10-15-2012, 08:27
In CA it is either a trigger lock or a safe, not both. As far as the county in question I h
Grew up there and lived there for 30 years I have many friends and family still there, quite a few in law enforcement. While I would bee cautious about any advise taken over a internet discussion thread I do believe I have a good handle on the area and the local politics Jim.
KestrelBike
10-15-2012, 08:36
I honestly think a revolver is a good option for people that may not keep up their training but there are some downsides. I'll address what I took as your main concern about having kids in the house. I firmly believe that until they know how to safely handle it and what the consequences of taking that lightly are, they should have NO access to it and maybe not know it's there. It should be kept locked up in a place they can't get to it. Tethering a little gun vault on a top closet shelf is one example. This goes with any gun, though.
As far as other aspects of a revolver go there are many advantages and disadvantages ranging from ease of use to limited capacity and a double action pull that can make a shooter dangerously innacurate. She needs to figure that stuff out on her own by seriously trying a few things. Not just taking a few flinching shots and gingerly holding a couple guns at a counter. A good class should square her away on that. I kinda wish she was in the LA area so I could recommend my old range and the guy that did the basic pistol training there.
The other option is that she doesn't get a gun. If there are any doubts that she would not learn to use it properly it can be way more of a danger to have around. If she was closer and you could responsibly help out and see that it's getting done that would be one thing but you're here in another state. You have to use your own judgement there. I wouldn't dream of making the final call about your situation. It's a tough one.
Isn't California just lovely, that it works solely to create problems for the law abiding trying to protect itself from the criminals it bleeds its heart out for?
One of many reasons to leave.
I honestly think a revolver is a good option for people that may not keep up their training but there are some downsides. I'll address what I took as your main concern about having kids in the house. I firmly believe that until they know how to safely handle it and what the consequences of taking that lightly are, they should have NO access to it and maybe not know it's there. It should be kept locked up in a place they can't get to it. Tethering a little gun vault on a top closet shelf is one example. This goes with any gun, though.
As far as other aspects of a revolver go there are many advantages and disadvantages ranging from ease of use to limited capacity and a double action pull that can make a shooter dangerously innacurate. She needs to figure that stuff out on her own by seriously trying a few things. Not just taking a few flinching shots and gingerly holding a couple guns at a counter. A good class should square her away on that. I kinda wish she was in the LA area so I could recommend my old range and the guy that did the basic pistol training there.
The other option is that she doesn't get a gun. If there are any doubts that she would not learn to use it properly it can be way more of a danger to have around. If she was closer and you could responsibly help out and see that it's getting done that would be one thing but you're here in another state. You have to use your own judgement there. I wouldn't dream of making the final call about your situation. It's a tough one.I guess I did not see this post last night. In my house everything is locked up except for at night, I have a 1911 that is close to both me and my wife. As far as my children go I started my oldest when he was 2 and he does very well. He knows to check the gun prior to holding it, he knows to point it in a safe direction at all times with his finger outside of the trigger guard. He actually schooled a 37 year old friend of mine when my buddy had his finger on the trigger, it was really impressive for me rather embarrassing for him. Also when that guy shot himself in the leg on YouTube my boy told me exactly what he did wrong. Me and my wife are both very responsible when it comes to this cause you only get one chance to do it wrong. I have caught crap on here in the past when I said that I ask my friends the CC to take the round out of the pipe at my house. I have a bunch of reasons for this and all of my friends have respect for me and my wishes. Don't take this the wrong way I believe in carrying and defending yourself, I am just very protective of my kids especially when it comes to guns.
I'm not doubting you at all but this thread is about someone else's house. Someone who currently has no experience. Who is very far away. Where your daughter lives.
don't buy the safe here either, one of the guys I work with (based in CA) said he has to have a CA approved safe to store his guns in. Though that may only be because of his C&R it's better safe than sorry.
Isn't California just lovely, that it works solely to create problems for the law abiding trying to protect itself from the criminals it bleeds its heart out for?
One of many reasons to leave.Oh I agree and have been telling her the same thing. It is getting to the point to were she is asking me to do right by our daughter if something happens to her, meaning to leave her with her family in California. Now I would not pull her out right away cause this is all she has known for 11 years, but I would eventually have her with me.
I'm not doubting you at all but this thread is about someone else's house. Someone who currently has no experience. Who is very far away. Where your daughter lives.Just making sure it seemed like it was kind of directed towards me, sorry if I misunderstood. My belief is if you properly train kids and take their curiosity away you have less to worry about, which is what we did and how I was taught. Even know me and my wife keep everything locked up and ammo separated with the exception of the home defense gun. I have been told in the past that I am wrong and should never have kids around guns which is something I completely disagree with, so that is why I am probably quick to explain why. I have a friend that is trying to teach his kid the same thing, but is kind of starting late IMO and I will say why. He asked me to test his kid which I did. I handed him a blank .22 revolver I have and the first thing he did was pull the trigger, which led to my kid telling him he should not hold a gun (I agree). My daughter's mother does not share the same view I do on guns so she will not ever be around them, so I would imagine that this will be in a safe at all times. If she cannot get a permit she will not carry it in her car or any were but at home, unfortunately CA has crappy laws that gives criminals a great advantage over law abiding citizens. With this thread I am now questioning if my wife should carry a revolver instead of a semi auto? I can clear a jam/stovepipe ect pretty quick, she is a different story. She can shoot pretty good and loves her guns, but I am not sure how she would react under duress. She has a SCCY 9mm as that will be her truck gun once she has tried it out, it has had a good fluff and buff and hand cycles great.
don't buy the safe here either, one of the guys I work with (based in CA) said he has to have a CA approved safe to store his guns in. Though that may only be because of his C&R it's better safe than sorry.Would it be like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wypFgcqHyvc
There are a couple things here that are huge red flags and I think that you should reconsider. First you stated that your wife has no working knowledge or training with firearms. Second you stated that you are trying to "Talk her into it" and finally you have shown that both of you need to do a lot of research about the laws and the real implications of the decision for her to own a gun. I am not trying to be hostile here, but you are putting them in a bad position by trying to convince her to do something that she either is not comfortable with or does not want to do.
If you are still even remotely considering getting, or having her get a gun, stop. She needs to want it, and more importantly she needs to want the training first. I know that you have your daughters best interest in mind, but having her mother own a gun does not help that situation in the slightest. She needs to be trained to defend herself and your daughter using as many means as possible, a firearm being just one of them. Use her recent experience to motivate her to seek training and pay for that. It will help her realize and identify danger and stay away from it as opposed to preparing her to shoot her way out of it. Pay for her to get the training and she will find the means that suit her best, and that is the best that you can hope for. Effective use of pressure points and a less than lethal weapon (tazer or mace) is better than an uneducated or untrained person wielding any gun. Plus if she does seek firearm training she will be educated about the laws as they apply to her and will have a better idea about what to get than you do, unless you actively seek out all of the information regarding firearm ownership in her county.
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2012, 13:03
In CA it is either a trigger lock or a safe, not both. As far as the county in question I h
Grew up there and lived there for 30 years I have many friends and family still there, quite a few in law enforcement. While I would bee cautious about any advise taken over a internet discussion thread I do believe I have a good handle on the area and the local politics Jim.
Politics doesn't keep his X and or children safe. The law and knowing it does which is what in my 1st reply i suggest ,the CADOJ web site and a class. I too know multiple LE's in CA and like CO each of them is giving their interpretation / opinion about the law. Fortunately i did not live there, then again ny 30 years ago was different than it is today as is CA.
Would it be like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wypFgcqHyvc
No it's the same safe you would get here but has a compliance sticker on it. So they can get their cut of the sale price.
There are a couple things here that are huge red flags and I think that you should reconsider. First you stated that your wife has no working knowledge or training with firearms. Second you stated that you are trying to "Talk her into it" and finally you have shown that both of you need to do a lot of research about the laws and the real implications of the decision for her to own a gun. I am not trying to be hostile here, but you are putting them in a bad position by trying to convince her to do something that she either is not comfortable with or does not want to do.
If you are still even remotely considering getting, or having her get a gun, stop. She needs to want it, and more importantly she needs to want the training first. I know that you have your daughters best interest in mind, but having her mother own a gun does not help that situation in the slightest. She needs to be trained to defend herself and your daughter using as many means as possible, a firearm being just one of them. Use her recent experience to motivate her to seek training and pay for that. It will help her realize and identify danger and stay away from it as opposed to preparing her to shoot her way out of it. Pay for her to get the training and she will find the means that suit her best, and that is the best that you can hope for. Effective use of pressure points and a less than lethal weapon (tazer or mace) is better than an uneducated or untrained person wielding any gun. Plus if she does seek firearm training she will be educated about the laws as they apply to her and will have a better idea about what to get than you do, unless you actively seek out all of the information regarding firearm ownership in her county.My wife loves guns and has been around them all her life, this is my ex I am talking about. And I have told her that having a firearm without the proper training is or can be worse than not having one. The town she lives in is a very dangerous place so trying to stay away from bad things is really not an option. I want her to have proper training and be confident in using a gun to protect her and my daughter. As much as I would love to have my daughter live with me and be under mine and my wife's care (Really good mom) I would hate to look at my daughter everyday knowing she could not be with her real mom. So it is not just my kid I am worried about, as me and her are very good friends as well. One of the things she has told me was she wanted a knife to carry, do to being in the medical industry she knows were vital arteries and pressure points are. The reason I was not comfortable with that is you have to be up close and personal with a knife, which can be taken and used against her.
ShipDate
10-15-2012, 20:47
this thread shows how limited your rights really are in CA. makes me appreciate our laws here
I agree. I lived in Cali up until the mid-80's and it was nothing like it is now. What a mess.
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