Would You Buy From This Guy?

[Colorado Luckydog]

Here's a copy of part of his ad from Colorado Gun Market.

"Prospective buyers will need to provide a cashier’s check (no cash or personal checks, please), a photo copy of their Colorado Driver’s License, and a signed statement that they are legal to own a handgun in Colorado."

No way I would give him a copy of my drivers license. Buying a money order would suck if you got there and the gun was not as stated.

I"m out!

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't have any problems with his conditions. He probably wants a cashier's check so he doesn't have to worry about a wad of cash or having a personal check bounce and he wants to be sure he's selling to a responsible individual. I would probably tell him in advance that the driver's license copy he gets will have the address, DOB and other personally identifying information blanked out -- the police will be able to get that by checking records on the DL number if they need to.

[MCarp71]

I'm with ya! Why the hell would he need a copy of your DL? Dirt Bag!!

[Sparky]

Nope. No DL copy.

[Sawin]

I agree. I am always happy to sign a bill of sale if requested, but do not want my mailing address on the BOS. I'm happy to provide my CO-DL# or concealed handgun permit# so law enforcement can locate me if necessary, but some random individual could not. A money order or cashier's check seems to be more of a pain in the butt for both parties, so i'm not sure why he's demanding that too... He should just look at the cash and ensure it's not counterfeit if that's what he's worried about.

[Scanker19]

I never give out info that is not public record. You can do a lot of stuff with info on a DL.

Dealing with private parties I would do a simple BOS i.e. Name, that's about it.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I'd rather go through FFL over private BOS.

[Ah Pook]

...and a signed statement that they are legal to own a handgun in Colorado."
From whom?


It's okay for little Jimmy to own a gun.

Yours Truly,
Little Jimmy's Mother.

Is this for a used, NIB, $800 Glock?

[hatidua]

There's a limit to how many hoops I'll jump through to buy something and that exceeds my limit.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[Clint45]

Here's a copy of part of his ad from Colorado Gun Market.

"Prospective buyers will need to provide a cashier’s check (no cash or personal checks, please), a photo copy of their Colorado Driver’s License, and a signed statement that they are legal to own a handgun in Colorado."

No way I would give him a copy of my drivers license. Buying a money order would suck if you got there and the gun was not as stated.

I"m out!

A cashier's check is different from a money order. Weird he doesn't accept cash.

I've seen a few sellers stating they wanted a copy of a DL over the years -- I haven't got a problem with a BOS that has my name and DL number on it, but you don't need a copy of it.

[TFOGGER]

Sellers are free to make whatever conditions they like as a part of the sale. If they specify that the buyer must wear a red rubber clown nose and oversized floppy shoes, they may, but it will seriously limit the number of buyers. I have no issue showing my DL or CCW to a seller, but as far as a copy, not only no, but F**K NO. As far as a bill of sale goes, if the seller wants one with my information, I will require AT LEAST the same information on my copy from him. Requiring a cashier's check is just stupid, as they are FAR to easy to tamper with or counterfeit.

[SouthPaw]

Had one guy on armslist that tried to pull something similar on me when we met up for a deal. He never mentioned a BOS in the emails and phone calls we exchanged prior to the sale. I show up and he says he wants to write down ALL the info on my DL on the bill of sale for his records. I told him that was fine but I wanted ALL his info off his DL too. It changed his mind rather quickly and we ended the deal with handshake and a smile :).

[MrPrena]

About 6 years ago, I thought getting a driver license (copy) was a normal practice. One of the seller asked me to get a copy of driver's license, and I did give it to him. Thankfully, he is a reputable seller.

I learned that it is really not required, and I would not do it again. As some stated, I would rather pay sales taxes and do 4473 than BOS that requires too many of my personal information.

[Akyla]

Saw that ad today too. Too many hoops, including some I won't jump through. Appears like someone who is really uncomfortable making a private sale but trying to be cautious in strange ways.

[Great-Kazoo]

NOBODY gets my DL info. I am surprised for how many tout privacy / off the books guns, you are more than willing to cheerfully hand over your DL and or CCW permit number.[Rant1] ?????????????????????????

Regarding the mention of LE needing to contact you. Cell Phone and e-mail records will give them that info w/out you providing it. Based on personal experience they will contact you, without spending too much time doing it.
Cashiers check no problem once i inspect the items for sale. If the seller is ..mil lets see how happy they are to give you their service / ssn, DL info. Don't see them cracking off with that real soon.
Too Many hoops for a gun you could by in a store or on line w/less shit.

[brutal]

I'll initial a BOS with my legal name and telephone number only. Seller can verify with a look at my DL or CHP, but no way I'm giving anyone the numbers, or copies. Buyers are also free to decide what TOS they are willing to tolerate and either party can walk if an agreement cannot be made. If it's that great a deal and you cannot pass, conduct the transaction through an FFL if agreeable.

[Jumpstart]

No BOS just cash and carry here.

[sniper7]

anybody that wants a copy of my drivers license I view as a potential identity theft criminal. If they want to see it to verify I am a resident and of age, that is fine, but if they want copys, I tell them to fuck off and won't deal with them.
My person info is a lot more important that save a 4473 check or to save some $$ on a gun i want.

[Whistler]

Don't mind a BOS with my name and I'll show my DL/CCP but no copies, writing down the info and such. Why should I assume that risk?

[Adawg38]

I require Chinese Yuan to convert to US dollars incase the money is counterfeit, DL copy, 2 personal pics of you, you need need to also say Rubber Baby Buggy Bumper while patting your head and rubbing your stomach when we meet so I know for sure it is you before I make a sell with you. [Tooth]

[hatidua]

I've met enough people on this forum where I can usually find what I want from someone that I more or less know from past dealings. After a while, you end up dealing with the same group of people anyhow.

[centrarchidae]

If someone wants to do cash and a handshake, I'll do cash and a handshake. Unless he pegs my dirtbag meter.

If he wants my DL or a BoS or something, I have a fingerprint card and DNA swab that I'll want from him.

[JoeT]

depends...is it a super rare gun that I HAVE to add to my collection? I'll put up with a little extra crap (and pay a premium) if it's a hard to find item that I've been looking for with little success

[SA Friday]

Wow...

Some of you guys really need to get that sand out of your vj. You turn over more info to get a hunting or fishing license from a complete stranger behind the Wal-mart sporting goods counter. Go pull out a current or old license. Your DL info is on it and then some. If you haven't had a license in the last three years, you're coughing up your SSN or not getting a license too.

BTW, there are three sections to a credit check application. The first part, section A, has all of the above info on it and it's not protected by any law. It's considered available information. There are companies that receive it and store it in databases for LE, private investigators and many other govt and private agencies have access to it.

I'm all for protecting one's identity, but be realistic about it. Unless you're planning on moving to the middle of nowhere, sliding off the grid and never applying for any credit or anything requiring a credit check ever again, your info is already out there.

[TEXAN1970]

Seam's a little much to me.

[Akyla]

Wow...

Some of you guys really need to get that sand out of your vj. You turn over more info to get a hunting or fishing license from a complete stranger behind the Wal-mart sporting goods counter. Go pull out a current or old license. Your DL info is on it and then some. If you haven't had a license in the last three years, you're coughing up your SSN or not getting a license too.

BTW, there are three sections to a credit check application. The first part, section A, has all of the above info on it and it's not protected by any law. It's considered available information. There are companies that receive it and store it in databases for LE, private investigators and many other govt and private agencies have access to it.

I'm all for protecting one's identity, but be realistic about it. Unless you're planning on moving to the middle of nowhere, sliding off the grid and never applying for any credit or anything requiring a credit check ever again, your info is already out there.

While I don't disagree that most of this info is already provided by most of us already, I just prefer to not spread it around anymore than I have to. When I'm at the doctors office and they ask for my SS#, they don't get it. I only provide when I have to, not when I have a choice. I'm more concerned about identity theft than anything.

[sniper7]

Wow...

Some of you guys really need to get that sand out of your vj. You turn over more info to get a hunting or fishing license from a complete stranger behind the Wal-mart sporting goods counter. Go pull out a current or old license. Your DL info is on it and then some. If you haven't had a license in the last three years, you're coughing up your SSN or not getting a license too.

BTW, there are three sections to a credit check application. The first part, section A, has all of the above info on it and it's not protected by any law. It's considered available information. There are companies that receive it and store it in databases for LE, private investigators and many other govt and private agencies have access to it.

I'm all for protecting one's identity, but be realistic about it. Unless you're planning on moving to the middle of nowhere, sliding off the grid and never applying for any credit or anything requiring a credit check ever again, your info is already out there.


which brings up some good points:

should you really have to give up that information to the DOW/FED/STATE?

Why are we required to give this info? the more it gets out there, the more people that it gets stolen from.

Same with test driving a car, a lot of the dealerships will want a copy of your DL...but for good reason since you are driving one of their vehicles. But they are an established business...not some armslist guy you know nothing about wanting a copy of your personal info.

is anyone for being chipped with your personal info/credit cards etc?



as to the hunting license, I always buy online and they get mailed to me. I think i had to buy one over the counter and the guy wasn't making any copies of my DL or my old hunting license to take home with him either. plus...if something happens to my personal info as to his fault...wal-mart has a big stack of cash to pay for it. some asshole that steals my identity and I know nothing about him is a whole different ballgame.

[MrPrena]

Off topic .

Can a active militant have a defense consulting/contractor firm?
I don't think they can.

[rockhound]

the guy is dumb, I would be happy to print him a very nice cashier's check from my home computer.

and by the way, get all his info also, that way when the gun comes back hot you can lead the cops to him