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Mattallen0506
11-12-2012, 20:41
Short list includes: LMT MWSE, Larue OBR, GAP 10, Armalite SASS. ???
That's what I'm looking at, I am a bit new in this arena, I have typically shot bolt guns but want to get into an AR-10. Any inclusions, exclusions and the like are more than welcome.
Thanks!
I doubt you could go wrong with any of the ones you listed. I'll toss the CMMG Mk3 in there as well. Skully has one and I was impressed enough with it to start putting one together for myself.
Good luck. [Awesom]
Mattallen0506
11-12-2012, 21:08
Thanks! Any comment on billet vs forged? I know it has been covered before mostly for 5.56, but it seems that the top end makers (GAP, Larue, etc...) use billet, then again, LMT uses traditional forged receivers. Is there any compromise when it comes to strength? The GAP 10 initially caught my eye (POF Billet receivers). I have heard gripes about billet being weaker, but have also heard it is thick in the stress points which would negate the previous point. I am positive that I am over thinking this, just want to make the best decision the first time.
I am positive that I am over thinking this
Probably so. [Coffee]
The CMMG upper and lower receivers I am using are billet.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/rjs1970/photo-8.jpg
SideShow Bob
11-12-2012, 23:39
I'm saving toward an Armalite SAS complete upper to go with the AR10 carbine I currently have. One lower and two uppers, one for longer ranges and a carbine for fun.[Tooth]
CO-Exprs
11-13-2012, 10:17
LMT is solid. OBR is harder to catch than a gold toteing leprecan right now. My hat tips to the JP LRP-07. Extremely well made, accurate, runs like it's on ball bearings and the side charge is excellent. It's been around long enough to have any issues flushed out and JP customer service is tops. I love mine.
Make sure it uses SR-25 pattern mags...
Make sure it uses SR-25 pattern mags...
The sole reason I didnt do an Armalite or other offshoot 308. Better available parts, more options, and MAGPUL LR20 mags are SR-25 pattern! [Beer]
The latest ArmaLite's take Magpul PMAG 20LR mags according to their website.
Mattallen0506
11-16-2012, 06:51
Anyone have experience with Iron Ridge Arms?
Anyone have experience with Iron Ridge Arms?
Considering on their webpage it says this;
As of November 30, 2012 The Iron Ridge Arms Company will no longer be active in the consumer end of firearms production and retailing. Our business focus has changed, and we are phasing out our retail and gunsmithing operations.
Any and all outstanding orders will be fulfilled by then, but no new orders or transfers from the ‘normal’ markets will be fulfilled after that date. Our retail space will be used for manufacturing and management only, and no-walk in traffic will be permitted.
I just want to say that I am excited for the way things have developed, but unfortunately there is only so much time and energy in the day. We are focusing more on UAV development, and the retail operation takes too much away from those efforts.
I have never heard of them.
Mattallen0506
11-16-2012, 19:07
Ya, just came across that myself. Oh well. All the same, I ordered an OBR from Larue today. 20 inch with PRS stock and Surefire break. Looking forward to getting it! Thanks everyone for the input. I'll put pics up in a few months when I get it.
netsecsys
11-17-2012, 10:09
I am partial to the 762 OBR but only because it matches my wife's 556 OBR so nicely... ;)
Good choice on the OBR. I went with a 16" because I can outrun zombies that are beyond 800yrds.
Good shooting!
CO-Exprs
11-17-2012, 20:33
You realize you will be waiting a long time for that OBR. I've had one on order since March.
Mattallen0506
11-18-2012, 14:43
Really? That blows man. Shane at larue told me 16 weeks. Either they are getting caught up or he's full of it.
You realize you will be waiting a long time for that OBR. I've had one on order since March.
How often are you calling to find out where it is at? Did you do anything custom in the order?
CO-Exprs
11-21-2012, 15:47
When you order they give you an account where you can check on your order status. I called once 8 or so weeks ago to order a mount. I asked about the rifle and was told that the order was still active and that when there was a status change it would be reflected on their web site. It doesn't help to badger them. I have an excellent 308 to shoot, so I can afford to not be one of the hundreds of guys calling them every week, just to be a pest. So long as they don't drop my order it will get here when it gets here. I won't cancel the order though, cuz I ordered before the $400 price increase.
When I was looking for my LR308 everywhere told me 6-8 months on pretty much any ar in 308/762. Right when I gave up I lucked out finding a used one/like new. My brother's gf was looking to sell 2 xd's for $700, I bought them and immediately traded for my LR308. Saved me $500 and 8 months of stress. By far my favorite gun in the collection. Hopefully you'll luck out and not have to wait until next summer to get yours.
Colt sp901
This is what I did.
It's a great gun in a flexible platform.
Easy enough to get as well!
netsecsys
11-23-2012, 10:53
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/DJ2R0318.jpg
When you order they give you an account where you can check on your order status. I called once 8 or so weeks ago to order a mount. I asked about the rifle and was told that the order was still active and that when there was a status change it would be reflected on their web site. It doesn't help to badger them. I have an excellent 308 to shoot, so I can afford to not be one of the hundreds of guys calling them every week, just to be a pest. So long as they don't drop my order it will get here when it gets here. I won't cancel the order though, cuz I ordered before the $400 price increase.
At least you got a good price.
I just don't really understand the wait times some of these manufactures do, really don't. When I built custom PC's my lead times were 7 days, cause I wouldn't sell any component unless I had it on the shelf or knew I could get it. Not like LaRue is forging the upper and lower for these rifles as they get ordered. I am a very impatient person and month's of lead time would not work for me...................
[Coffee]
CO-Exprs
11-25-2012, 14:23
I don't claim to know what's going on at Larue. I don't have any affiliation with them at all. I can only speculate as to the long lead time and of course there are bits of scuttlebutt. I know that a lot has gone on there this year. They've had a massive influx of law enforcement orders, especially from the Boarder Patrol agency. At the same time, civilian demand for the OBR 308 entire line up has sky rocketed. Rumor has it, that Mark Larue has done some restructuring which has resulted in some head count turn over. I heard that they got in a bad batch of barrels, which got them even further behind on schedule. That makes sense since the barrel quality is the single most important factor in a rifle which is marketed heavily on long range accuracy. If Larue is running long on delivery times, they are viewed as a company which can't manage work load. That is better than being viewed as a company which can't make rifles. I'd rather have it late and right, than on time and crap. Good things come to those who wait and I want a good rifle. If you want a respectable alternative, the LMT MWS can be found on line for around $2500 and is absolutely worth every bit of that. The LMT will keep up with most other rifles on the market and you can get one pretty quick. If there wasn't Larue and JP, I'd be all over an MWS.
When you are forced to rely on outside vendors, you sometimes have to wait.
If Mark could build it all in house the wait times would be much shorter.
netsecsys
11-25-2012, 18:12
My order for a 762 PredatOBR has been in queue since May. I am glad that I did not cancel and go for a Colt 901 as the new revision of the tOBR has a somewhat_quick change barrel that allows swapping barrels in the field. I'll be getting the accuracy of the OBR, the weight closer to a PredatAR, and have the barrel modular system similar to the LMT MWS. (funny, I started out with a Noveske N6 (very accurate but proprietary mags), then went to a LMT MWS (accurate and the ability to swap out barrels in the field but was much heavier than the N6), and currently have a 762 OBR (very accurate and more balanced than the MWS). My WAG is the re-design towards the Suitcase gun concept as well as manufacturing challenges related to the stock added to the delay (not to mention the contracts to fulfill). I like their customer service and attention to detail so I'll keep waiting (but will be selling the OBR when the pTOBR arrives ;)
Anyone know anything or have opinions on PWS or LWRC? Both pistons. LWRC is about $1000 more ($3500) for the repr.
carnplanenut
01-06-2013, 13:48
I love my AR-10T. I've had it for over 10 years. (See Profile Photo). The only thing that I have done is had Armalite do the Gen II update. I put a scope on it and it is amazingly accurate (slightly larger than 1/2 inch groups at 100 yeards accurate). 24" Stainless Steel Barrel helps. It's not for short range, but it's a blast to shoot. The mags aren't PMAG's, but they were available in 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 rounds. Not sure about availability now, as I have had mine for years.
The SASS is a similar rifle but with more upgrades.
Good luck.
Busta Prima
01-12-2013, 23:42
Anyone know anything or have opinions on PWS or LWRC? Both pistons. LWRC is about $1000 more ($3500) for the repr.
Always heard LWRC is awesome. I have a PWS in 5.56 and love it and would not hesitate to buy another.
Is there a list somewhere of which ones take the Magpul SR25 mags? Does the RRA take them?
Always heard LWRC is awesome. I have a PWS in 5.56 and love it and would not hesitate to buy another. Is there a list somewhere of which ones take the Magpul SR25 mags? Does the RRA take them?
RRA takes FAL mags.
SIG 716 Patrol takes SR25
DPMS takes SR25
KAC is SR25
New model Armalite is SR25
That's all I know for certain
Marine24
04-09-2013, 09:30
Reviving this thread since I'm on the hunt for another .308 on the AR platform. Like to keep the number around $2500 and looking for a 800 yard rifle.
How does Colt's LE-901 compare against the Sig 716?
Any one use the Core 30 billet upper/lower as a basis for a build?
SideShow Bob
04-09-2013, 16:05
RRA takes FAL mags.
SIG 716 Patrol takes SR25
DPMS takes SR25
KAC is SR25
New model Armalite is SR25 (AR 10A)
That's all I know for certain
Armalite AR 10B's take Armalite Magazines......[LOL]
RRA takes FAL mags.
SIG 716 Patrol takes SR25
DPMS takes SR25
KAC is SR25
New model Armalite is SR25
That's all I know for certain
Armalite AR 10B's take Armalite Magazines......[LOL]
Well, technically "New model Armalite (AR-10A) is SR25", AR10B take Armalite mags. I wasn't saying the Armalite model is SR25, I attempted to list the models that accept SR25(20LR) mags. It doesn't help that Armalite's own web page is confusing as shit.
http://www.armalite.com/Categories.aspx?Category=8e68baab-7731-4646-9786-0f30edfd575c Lists two rifles that accept pmags, which would seem to indicate "10A" then when you click on the "AR 10B link" there's a bunch of "10A" rifles. http://www.armalite.com/Categories.aspx?Category=f4bd4a13-55d1-41aa-aea0-49488ec48776 [Bang] (http://www.armalite.com/Categories.aspx?Category=f4bd4a13-55d1-41aa-aea0-49488ec48776)
Firehaus
04-09-2013, 18:36
I like mega arms, but you'll have to piece it together since they don't make a full rifle. But their mkm upper is very nice.
SideShow Bob
04-09-2013, 19:25
Brutal, I meant to use this smiley, [hahhah-no], to show my frustration and angst at trying to find Armalite mags. Then when I do find them, Let's just say I have to bend over and spread my own cheeks for them.
Brutal, I meant to use this smiley, [hahhah-no], to show my frustration and angst at trying to find Armalite mags. Then when I do find them, Let's just say I have to bend over and spread my own cheeks for them.
Makes sense now.
I'm just in a foul mood after doing taxes again this year and owing >$10k thanks to my fuckin stupid wife who doesn't understand withholding.
Probably best I don't post at all for the next few days. I could piss off more people than I usually do in a month.
Marine24
04-10-2013, 05:55
So no owners of the LE-901 or Sig 716?
LE-901 comes with a 1:12 twist instead of my preferred 1:10, which the Sig comes with. The Sig 716 Patrol is piston driven and have read that both don't have the best trigger out of the box. Street prices are running from $2K to $2500, which is pretty close to MSRP or even a little more. Accuracy is what you'd expect out of a battle rifle, but shouldn't expect sub-MOA.
Also consider the S&W M&P10. 18" barrel (1:10), ambi-safety, ambi-mag release, ambi-bolt release. There's two models to choose from: an optics ready platform, as well as an MOE setup. And they accept magpul pmags. Good luck
SamuraiCO
06-02-2013, 16:42
My order for a 762 PredatOBR has been in queue since May. I am glad that I did not cancel and go for a Colt 901 as the new revision of the tOBR has a somewhat_quick change barrel that allows swapping barrels in the field. I'll be getting the accuracy of the OBR, the weight closer to a PredatAR, and have the barrel modular system similar to the LMT MWS. (funny, I started out with a Noveske N6 (very accurate but proprietary mags), then went to a LMT MWS (accurate and the ability to swap out barrels in the field but was much heavier than the N6), and currently have a 762 OBR (very accurate and more balanced than the MWS). My WAG is the re-design towards the Suitcase gun concept as well as manufacturing challenges related to the stock added to the delay (not to mention the contracts to fulfill). I like their customer service and attention to detail so I'll keep waiting (but will be selling the OBR when the pTOBR arrives ;)
I am in Que as well and will just have to patient and keep the money in savings to pay for it once it is complete. Until then I can be patient on obtaining more reloading components in quality and quantity. I have dies, powder, some brass and bullets. Just waiting for primer backorder and will add brass to the stock as I can find.
I will probably be very surprised when it is finished and I get a shipping notice.
carnplanenut
06-04-2013, 09:13
The latest ArmaLite's take Magpul PMAG 20LR mags according to their website. I like this!!!
Marine24
06-07-2013, 08:15
Much as I would like to purchase a Larue, I'm not a patient person and the $4K+ price tag is a little steep even for my tastes. LMTs are another excellent choice but difficult to find anything with a 18" barrel on the street at a competitive price. DPMS SASS is always a good choice, but I've owned a couple of them already. Great shooters but needs to be slimmed down to be anything other than a bench rifle.
Opted to go the Core 30 TAC LR route. Billet upper/lower, Surefire SOCOM muzzle brake, Magpul UBR stock, Geiselle SSA-E trigger, stainless steel match grade 1:10 barrel and .5 MOA capable with match grade ammo. Newcomer to the .308 AR world and I've always liked the road less traveled.
Marine24
07-01-2013, 16:22
Missed the deal on the Core 30 TAC LR and went with the DPMS SASS. Not sure why, but keep coming back to these. 1/2" shooters, so not too much to complain about and the price was right. Mounted SWFA's new 3-15x42 FFP w/the mil-quad reticle on AADMOUNT's 20 MOA AR scope mount. Not the trigger I prefer, but JP Enterprise single stage match trigger isn't a bad one either. I may swap the PRS stock for the ACS version, but I know these are shooters.
BPTactical
07-18-2013, 19:59
Personally if I had your choice, I would have chosen the DPMS as well. I've not seen the 308 CORE rifle but if it is anything like their 5.56 platform I would pass. Not too impressed with them at all.
Marine24
07-18-2013, 20:05
The specs on the Core 30 sounded good and on paper should have been a good shooter but I know the DPMS is. Also wasn't patient enough or had deep enough pockets for the OBR.
firefighter238
07-21-2013, 10:00
Just getting into the AR-10 platform. I'm thinking I want a scoped rifle with off-angle irons or a small red dot. Anyone else have this? Thoughts?
TheBelly
07-21-2013, 10:14
So no owners of the LE-901 or Sig 716?
LE-901 comes with a 1:12 twist instead of my preferred 1:10, which the Sig comes with. The Sig 716 Patrol is piston driven and have read that both don't have the best trigger out of the box. Street prices are running from $2K to $2500, which is pretty close to MSRP or even a little more. Accuracy is what you'd expect out of a battle rifle, but shouldn't expect sub-MOA.
I saw a le-901 shoot sub MOA straight out of the box. This were the first rounds fired out of the gun. It was shooting custom loads from corbon ammunition. It repeated this performance for two days of solid firing during a precision semi auto course.
TheBelly
07-21-2013, 10:19
LMT MWS with a CL barrel is fairly accurate. Their stainless are pretty darn good. The gun is a tank, though.
Im extremely happy with my LaRue.
netsecsys
07-21-2013, 10:24
Just getting into the AR-10 platform. I'm thinking I want a scoped rifle with off-angle irons or a small red dot. Anyone else have this? Thoughts?
I am going with the Leupold Mark 8 CQBSS 1.1-8x24mm with the M-TMR (really like the H58 but not $600 more like...) reticle for my PTOBR if it ever ships. Have Surefire rapid transition sites although I would have gone with the KAC offset had I gotten a great deal on them.
TheBelly
07-21-2013, 10:26
Why the CQBSS, if the OP doesn't mind a slight detour...?
netsecsys
07-21-2013, 11:04
Why the CQBSS, if the OP doesn't mind a slight detour...?
Not sure I understand the question (still comatosed)..but:
Knurled Power Ring for the win!
Marine24
07-23-2013, 11:38
Mark 8 CQBSS is a good choice and $3K price point opens up the door to a lot of quality optics choices.
Marine24
07-23-2013, 11:43
Just getting into the AR-10 platform. I'm thinking I want a scoped rifle with off-angle irons or a small red dot. Anyone else have this? Thoughts?
The model of the AADmount I purchased has the slotted rail at the 2 o'clock position that will work with my Burris FastFire or Aimpoint H-1. I prefer the red dot over the offset iron sights just for quick acquisition but I doubt I'll ever mount on. Mine is set up as a long range shooter and I have backup irons in case the optics fail. The 3x low end on the SWFA SS scope will work for close in targets and nice to have the option in case I decide to mount the red dot.
AKA-Spook
08-07-2013, 20:04
Anyone have experience with Iron Ridge Arms?
http://i.imgur.com/r1r1bib.jpg
Yes , I built this one for myself in 6 X 47 Lapua before finding out that the older and fatter I get .. the more I appreciate how light a -15 is.
IRA is top shelf kit and this one grouped very sub MOA. If I'd have it to do over again I'd do one in 7-08 Ack.
Time to revive this thread as I am thinking of getting a 308 AR-pattern rifle for some precision work at the range and possibly hunting. Anyone know of some good deals out there right now?
TheBelly
11-05-2013, 13:03
the M&P 10 can be found for a good price, maybe around $1500 or less. I haven't heard any complaints about them.
My LMT MWS is a bit of a pig at over 10lbs with teh 16" CL .308 barrel. It's even heavier with the 20" stainless .260 Remington barrel, optics, bipod, etc. The weight may not make it ideal for a stalk.
The M&P is on my short list for sure. I have a Larue on order but it is a 5.56 and I don't really want to drop $3500 on a 7.62. Well I would like to but I don't know if it would be in my best health, so says the wife-unit. The DPMS REPR or SASS look promising also but getting up there in cash for it from what I have seen on Gunbroker.
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