Alternative to Wayne's proposal...?

[whitbaby]

I think Wayne's proposal of cops in the schools might be economically prohibitive for many schools.

But if the daily cruising police, deputies or state cops could begin an unscheduled presence to any schools along their district, it might do some good.

Instead of just routinely driving by several times a day they could have a keyed/coded access wherein they could enter the school and just strolled through.

It's unlikely they'd just happen to walk in on a bad situation, but when the potential shooter knows they could walk in at any time it might be enough for him to reconsider.

I can't see where this would take more than 30 minutes from their schedule. Would also instill in the kids a sense of cops being good guys and to be trusted.

Perhaps a high-mounted box of donuts in the lunch rooms might add the necessary incentive. ;->

Whit

[sellersm]

Alternative? Let the people be armed, trained & prepared. We don't need more "professionals", thank you. Israel gave us the model to follow. We don't need more abdication of our responsibilities...

[Great-Kazoo]

IIRC he said the NRA was funding the whole training and implementation side. NO COST to the .gov

[muddywings]

I think Wayne's proposal of cops in the schools might be economically prohibitive for many schools.

But if the daily cruising police, deputies or state cops could begin an unscheduled presence to any schools along their district, it might do some good.

Instead of just routinely driving by several times a day they could have a keyed/coded access wherein they could enter the school and just strolled through.

It's unlikely they'd just happen to walk in on a bad situation, but when the potential shooter knows they could walk in at any time it might be enough for him to reconsider.

I can't see where this would take more than 30 minutes from their schedule. Would also instill in the kids a sense of cops being good guys and to be trusted.

Perhaps a high-mounted box of donuts in the lunch rooms might add the necessary incentive. ;->

Whit

OR....you could do what D-20 in Colorado Springs does....

[sniper7]

Arm the teachers. Give them free nra sponsored ccw training. Send them to the police range. Let them carry voluntarily. Many will do it to protect the kids. I guarantee it.

[HBARleatherneck]

what would cost more? armed security?

or

a new national beuracracy created to ban firearms and enforcement? anything they do will be expensive.

one will have actual benefits

one will just screw law abiding Americans

[Tinelement]

Aren't most school shootings preformed by active or recently active students?

Cops at the schools won't work. Shooters will learn their routine and that will be the first hit.

Teachers with CCW!! That way there is still the element of surprise and the unknown for the shooter. He may not get to the front door!

[SuperiorDG]

Put a doughnut shop in ever school, problem solved.

[TriggerHappy]

In Anchorage, there is a cop in every High school. They deal with more than just protection, it works. I don't see the problem.

[TriggerHappy]

Arm the teachers. Give them free nra sponsored ccw training. Send them to the police range. Let them carry voluntarily. Many will do it to protect the kids. I guarantee it.

If you forgot, most teachers get thier education from those liberal arts colleges. I would think that it should be an option.

[KevDen2005]

I think Wayne's proposal of cops in the schools might be economically prohibitive for many schools.

But if the daily cruising police, deputies or state cops could begin an unscheduled presence to any schools along their district, it might do some good.

Instead of just routinely driving by several times a day they could have a keyed/coded access wherein they could enter the school and just strolled through.

It's unlikely they'd just happen to walk in on a bad situation, but when the potential shooter knows they could walk in at any time it might be enough for him to reconsider.

I can't see where this would take more than 30 minutes from their schedule. Would also instill in the kids a sense of cops being good guys and to be trusted.

Perhaps a high-mounted box of donuts in the lunch rooms might add the necessary incentive. ;->

Whit


No time. During the day it is BS call to BS call. Reports for all. On top of a 20 percent reduction in patrol officers for my PD alone. Everyone has a problem. Wants us to solve them all. They care only about what is going on with them (and that is to be expected). They are upset and our administration wants a report done on almost every single allegation of anything to do with a child or possible domestic and so on, even if it isn't even close to being a criminal situation.

[cstone]

No time. During the day it is BS call to BS call. Reports for all. On top of a 20 percent reduction in patrol officers for my PD alone. Everyone has a problem. Wants us to solve them all. They care only about what is going on with them (and that is to be expected). They are upset and our administration wants a report done on almost every single allegation of anything to do with a child or possible domestic and so on, even if it isn't even close to being a criminal situation.

But I know some guys who would stop on Pizza day if they got a free meal [LOL]

How many years of 8.5 hour days in your average public school would it take before the young, hard charging, well trained, and motivated rookie officer was hitting on the 17 year old girls or bored out of his/her skull?

This is the type of job that makes courtroom security look downright high speed, low drag.

Please, for the love of all this Country stands for, no more government employees, paying dues to a union which supports progressive political candidates who seem Hell bent to spend everything they take in and borrow everything my grandchildren will ever make in their life time. Enough is enough!

[KevDen2005]

But I know some guys who would stop on Pizza day if they got a free meal [LOL]

How many years of 8.5 hour days in your average public school would it take before the young, hard charging, well trained, and motivated rookie officer was hitting on the 17 year old girls or bored out of his/her skull?



This is the type of job that makes courtroom security look downright high speed, low drag.

Please, for the love of all this Country stands for, no more government employees, paying dues to a union which supports progressive political candidates who seem Hell bent to spend everything they take in and borrow everything my grandchildren will ever make in their life time. Enough is enough!


Two of my closest friends became SRO's this year. I always call them in my lull of paperwork and ask about pizza day. It seems to never come.

Also, who cares about the 17 year old girls...have you seen some of the teachers. I try and do foot patrols for those nice new teachers!!! And that happens once a month maybe when I have actual time to do this.

[TEAMRICO]

In this past week I have had 5 staff members at the school I work at approach me to take the first steps to get their CCW permit.
They approach me on the side so as to not draw attention to themselves and of course it is nobody's business. Some already own pistols but have no formal training other than shooting out their family land.
Im glad the principal is a big 2A guy and his wife is on my list for training.
Time to order more certificate packages I guess.

[centrarchidae]

Alternative? Let the people be armed, trained & prepared. We don't need more "professionals", thank you. Israel gave us the model to follow. We don't need more abdication of our responsibilities...

Israel's "model" isn't what you think. A CCW permit in Israel is about as easy to get as it is in NYC. A permit to keep a pistol in your home not much better. Again, I've heard the NYC comparison before from people who've done both.

The hot chicks running around with Colt Commandoes and M-1 Carbines are military or police reservists.

[nynco]

Or people who live in settlements. Which are warzones for all intents and purposes.

[sroz]

Didn't Wayne indicate these would be volunteers (without pay)?

[sniper7]

If you forgot, most teachers get thier education from those liberal arts colleges. I would think that it should be an option.

some do, not all. My wife, dad, mom, sister, brother in law and 2 uncles are/were teachers (retired). my wife is tossing around the idea and doesn't think it is too bad. I have hunted with a couple of the teachers at her school. they would carry. My dad would have taken his ruger blackhawk in.

All of it should be voluntary. I wouldn't want one of the liberal teachers who know nothing about guns and always disliked guns to all of a sudden be forced to carry. not a safe situation. Better to let the people who are willing to learn and do it right.

[asmo]

Wayne's proposal is a strawman meant to move peoples thoughts in the right direction.

[DHC]

Aren't most school shootings preformed by active or recently active students?

Cops at the schools won't work. Shooters will learn their routine and that will be the first hit.

Teachers with CCW!! That way there is still the element of surprise and the unknown for the shooter. He may not get to the front door!

I believe that is already allowed in Utah - the only state in the country allowing a Utah-issued CCW holder (ANY holder of a Utah-issued CCW) to carry on school campuses. Perhaps it is a coincidence that there have been NO incidents in UT schools - or perhaps not.

[hollohas]

Arm the teachers. Give them free nra sponsored ccw training. Send them to the police range. Let them carry voluntarily. Many will do it to protect the kids. I guarantee it.

I am willing to bet a $20k pmag, that once they develop it, this ^ will be a big part of the NRA's Shield Program introduced today.

[Irving]

It's unlikely they'd just happen to walk in on a bad situation, but when the potential shooter knows they could walk in at any time it might be enough for him to reconsider.



When you take the time to think about it, do you honestly believe that someone who would shoot a child, on purpose, at close range, would be deterred by the slight possibility that a police officer might be around?

There is no deterring a crime of this level. You can defend against it, protect against it, or be a victim of it, but you can't really deter someone against it.

[Great-Kazoo]

some do, not all. My wife, dad, mom, sister, brother in law and 2 uncles are/were teachers (retired). my wife is tossing around the idea and doesn't think it is too bad. I have hunted with a couple of the teachers at her school. they would carry. My dad would have taken his ruger blackhawk in.

All of it should be voluntary. I wouldn't want one of the liberal teachers who know nothing about guns and always disliked guns to all of a sudden be forced to carry. not a safe situation. Better to let the people who are willing to learn and do it right.

Yes. No one says YOU NEED TO OWN AND CARRY A GUN . Unlike the anti's who feel No One should Own a Gun. Some teachers are not ready or meant to handle / own guns. The ones who have an interest and would like training. Absolutely.
I was conversing with a teacher tonight. Guess what even being center left than full tilt wacko, she feels the need and has for some time. To be able to defend herself & students IF ever the scenario happened. She and other teachers feel it's beyond time f rthem to CCW in school.

[MAP]

When you take the time to think about it, do you honestly believe that someone who would shoot a child, on purpose, at close range, would be deterred by the slight possibility that a police officer might be around?

There is no deterring a crime of this level. You can defend against it, protect against it, or be a victim of it, but you can't really deter someone against it.

All the active shooter incidents in schools that I'm aware of end with the killer commiting suicide. The killers are cowards and never confront the Police. The presence of the PO or Secuirty may not prevent the incident but certainly will help end it before massive loss of life.

Mike

[sniper7]

Yes. No one says YOU NEED TO OWN AND CARRY A GUN . Unlike the anti's who feel No One should Own a Gun. Some teachers are not ready or meant to handle / own guns. The ones who have an interest and would like training. Absolutely.
I was conversing with a teacher tonight. Guess what even being center left than full tilt wacko, she feels the need and has for some time. To be able to defend herself & students IF ever the scenario happened. She and other teachers feel it's beyond time f rthem to CCW in school.

yep, I'm working on getting the wife to take a CCW class. heard there was some old crazy New Yorker around here that does em[Tooth]

[Ashton]

Personally. When I was in lower level educations I never saw a cop. Move forward to highschool? The highschool I attended always had a police officer presence in it. It kept drugs down and I felt safe going to school there. Hell the cop would let us use the radar guns while waiting at the bus stop before I was able to drive. In my mind I formed a good perspective of the police as positive. (Granted they gave me a lot of tickets for driving and street racing that was my bad.) I'm ALL for cops at schools.

[Ashton]

I just thought about something. I personally know some really good looking women that teach the lower level education... They're ALL party girls, if you looked at their facebook 2 years before they decided to pursue a career in education you wouldn't want them ANYWHERE near your child. They've never had to fend for themselves ever and expect everyone to do everything for them. Arming those girls would be absolutely worthless... They wouldn't be able to actually use the firearm to possibly kill a person even if their life was at risk. We need trained professionals. Not slutty teachers.

[Great-Kazoo]

yep, I'm working on getting the wife to take a CCW class. heard there was some old crazy New Yorker around here that does em[Tooth]

I'd probably call him sooner than later. Them east coast guys are ...weird.

[hammer03]

OR....you could do what D-20 in Colorado Springs does....
Now you've got me curious. What do they do?



Now, the National Rifle Association knows that there are millions of qualified active and retired police; active, reserve and retired military; security professionals; certified firefighters and rescue personnel; and an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained qualified citizens to join with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for every school.

Now for everyone who didn't watch/read the transcript, but have only read the MSM analysis of the plan, that is the quote from the transcript of the press conference. He wasn't just advocating for extra military/police presence, he included the everyday, trained and responsible citizen. Hopefully to include the willing and able teachers and school staff.


I still don't get the anti- argument. How can you let a teacher loose with a GUN!? What if they snap and shoot a child!

If a teacher was going to do that, they would bring a gun anyway. And if we can trust them with 25 children all year, why exactly can't they be trusted with a gun and those kids? Especially after some *free to the taxpayer* training provided by the NRA?

[buffalobo]

But I know some guys who would stop on Pizza day if they got a free meal [LOL]

How many years of 8.5 hour days in your average public school would it take before the young, hard charging, well trained, and motivated rookie officer was hitting on the 17 year old girls or bored out of his/her skull?

This is the type of job that makes courtroom security look downright high speed, low drag.

Please, for the love of all this Country stands for, no more government employees, paying dues to a union which supports progressive political candidates who seem Hell bent to spend everything they take in and borrow everything my grandchildren will ever make in their life time. Enough is enough!


^^^^^^^This. The bureaucracy is choking the life out of this nation.

The staff at the school is the best option to defend the children in the school. Give the volunteers the training and skills to do so. It will also make them better teachers.

How many instructors here have seen a change in attitude and outlook of a liberal after they have learned first hand that firearms are the best tool for defense and not the evil death causing machine they had always thought?