The NRA's idea of armed response in schools is so ridiculous because...

[hammer03]

Clinton said it first? Wait what? I thought it would lead to hysteria and bed wetting and stunting our kids future?

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323

Clinton asking for $60 million to put an armed guard in every school one year after Columbine...


[Mad][Bang]

[alxone]

growing up in the city we have had armed guards or cops on school grounds since the 80's . funny thing not one mass shooting ever takes place in a city school

[sniper7]

ARM THE TEACHERS!!!!!

[battle_sight_zero]

I don't believe it is ridiculous, but it would-be be very expensive, a school resource officer costs about 85,000 thousand per year with salary , benefits and equipment cost. A District could hire its owned armed force and that cost would be about 60,000 per year. cant see 60 million covering much of those costs across the country in these lean times. I wish the media would point out the a student or staff member is safer in their school than they are in their home.

As far as arming teachers makes sense in a brain like you or I have, but most of them hate and despise firearms. I also feel that it takes some serious training to engage an active shooter so of that would happen there would have to be some serious training for this teacher. I feel the School Resource Officer is the best solution and supplemented by a trained armed guard.

[TEAMRICO]

It would not cost my school a dime.....they would just have to call me and say "Mr. Rico we would like you to be armed from now on"........I would do it without question.
Wouldn't phase me one bit.

[brutal]

I don't believe it is ridiculous, but it would-be be very expensive, a school resource officer costs about 85,000 thousand per year with salary , benefits and equipment cost. A District could hire its owned armed force and that cost would be about 60,000 per year. cant see 60 million covering much of those costs across the country in these lean times. I wish the media would point out the a student or staff member is safer in their school than they are in their home.

As far as arming teachers makes sense in a brain like you or I have, but most of them that are socially and morally liberal hate and despise firearms. I also feel that it takes some serious training to engage an active shooter so of that would happen there would have to be some serious training for this teacher. I feel the School Resource Officer is the best solution and supplemented by a trained armed guard.

FIFY

I know teachers that are quite middle of the road politically speaking, yet are strong supporters of 2A.

[Bailey Guns]

Clinton didn't say it first. The idea of SROs has been around for long time...long before Clinton. I don't think LaPierre was trying to take credit for coming up with a new idea. I think he was trying to say that it's the only idea that will work. Yeah, it's expensive. But so is life. The government wastes plenty of money. We could easily find the funds to pay for this out of some other bureaucratic budget. But it's not about that. Liberals will never go for more guns in schools because they just don't like guns.

I don't know if needs to necessarily be an armed police officer, but we need armed and trained individuals in schools who are ready to assume the responsibility as potential first responders to an armed criminal in the school.

[hammer03]

Liberals will never go for more guns in schools because they just don't like guns.

Unless they can play it like it was their idea. That's my only point on this one.

[BigBear]

ARM THE TEACHERS!!!!!

People keep saying this. Please listen as I AM a teacher... There are some teachers I would pay for NOT to have access to a firearm. Let's not use such a broad brush stroke. People need training, etc. None of my admins are on this board so: I think it would be a great idea for teachers to be allowed to carry. But I've known more than one who was "dismissed" because they asked for permission to carry in the school. People are more scared of the kids getting access to it than an actual shooter scenario.

Yes I carry in school, no one knows... hence the "concealed".

Carry on, be safe. Think.

[Bailey Guns]

Unless they can play it like it was their idea. That's my only point on this one.

I'd agree with that.

[robertcolorado2009]

I'll bet there would be plenty of qualified and trained people that would gladly volunteer for this. Retirees that are qualified who love kids for example, there's got to be many, many, many people who would do this for free. They'd have to pass background checks(duh! obviously!) and qualify periodically for shooting skill levels. As someone said above, you just don't hear of these types of incidences in school where there are already armed personel(LEO) inside. If armed guards are present in the all government facilities in Washington D.C. why not in schools too! If they themselves are important enough to have that sort of security, and God knows how we "say" we would do ANYTHING to protect our children, then for God's sake why not let the kids have that same level of security. After all we "say" we do anything to protect them. If it's good enough for those fat cats in DC why not our children then!!!

[Byte Stryke]

I just want to see an end to the deprivation rights in these "magic zones" where Liberals think guns just flippin vanish from the hands of evil.

[Irving]

Well, these school shootings generally happen at predominantly white schools that have money. Logic follows that the schools where this has historically happened are both the most likely beneficiary of such a plan, and also the most likely to be able to afford this plan. It also follows that this would be declared racist since the rich white schools would be more likely to get this protection than the poor, less white schools.

[sniper7]

People keep saying this. Please listen as I AM a teacher... There are some teachers I would pay for NOT to have access to a firearm. Let's not use such a broad brush stroke. People need training, etc. None of my admins are on this board so: I think it would be a great idea for teachers to be allowed to carry. But I've known more than one who was "dismissed" because they asked for permission to carry in the school. People are more scared of the kids getting access to it than an actual shooter scenario.

Yes I carry in school, no one knows... hence the "concealed".

Carry on, be safe. Think.

I'm totally on board with the voluntary thing. just need to make it law to allow them to do so. my wife, mom, dad, sister, brother-in-law, and 2 uncles are all teachers.

[mevshooter]

Anyone else find it interesting that Columbine happened DURING the AWB?

Hmmm, so restrictive gun laws will never prevent these types of things...

But I digress.

[StagLefty]

Heard an interesting suggestion on the radio the other day : Train school staff that wanted to participate in handgun defense. Have the guns in a fingerprint access box in those rooms bolted to the floor. Have these boxes set for an alarm at local PD and FD to go off if accessed and make them aware of a shooting incident. DISCUSS

[sniper7]

Heard an interesting suggestion on the radio the other day : Train school staff that wanted to participate in handgun defense. Have the guns in a fingerprint access box in those rooms bolted to the floor. Have these boxes set for an alarm at local PD and FD to go off if accessed and make them aware of a shooting incident. DISCUSS

not bad. I think concealed carry would be good. Or they could have an emergency weapon in the main office. pretty much no kids get access to the office as it is, when they do they are with an adult.

[jhood001]

Heard an interesting suggestion on the radio the other day : Train school staff that wanted to participate in handgun defense. Have the guns in a fingerprint access box in those rooms bolted to the floor. Have these boxes set for an alarm at local PD and FD to go off if accessed and make them aware of a shooting incident. DISCUSS

So you're recommending that a tool, where its primary function is to eliminate something that threatens to kill our children, be placed in schools in a fashion that restricts its use to only emergencies?

I've never heard of such hogwash.

Wait...

http://site.magafire.com/clients/magafire/images/photos/FireExtinguisher1921201214433AM_O.jpg

[Geology Rocks]

Remove the gun free zone everywhere and place armed security. If teachers want to carry they are the next level of protection. First its the guard, second its the teacher, or together against the criminal.

Anti gun people dont care about statistics or facts. They are emotional in all their decisions.

The NRA has an excellent point about the fact that no one thinks anything about a guard who is armed at a bank, football stadium, mall, presidential/congress protections, or any where else, but the second it involves schools or kids its bad and unacceptable.

[Great-Kazoo]

It would not cost my school a dime.....they would just have to call me and say "Mr. Rico we would like you to be armed from now on"........I would do it without question.
Wouldn't phase me one bit.

I'd even sign a release absolving the school district from liability.
Great now we get the lawyers involved;)

[hammer03]

Looks like the Gun Free School Zone Act might not apply in CO, so we're just restricting ourselves now?


(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

So anyone with a CCW is g2g per the fed?

[spqrzilla]

You know a lot of schools already have armed officers on campus. For years, Montbello had at least two, don't know if they still do. (And that's the school where one kids killed another in the cafeteria with a knife).

[hammer03]

Well I'll be...

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-73756867/


Sen. Boxer proposes deploying National Guard at schools


BY RICHARD SIMON

December 19, 2012, 11:23 a.m.
WASHINGTON — Federal funds would be made available to deploy National Guard troops at schools under legislation introduced Wednesday by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) in response to last week’s mass slaying at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
The Save Our Schools Act would leave it to governors to decide whether to call out the National Guard and how to use troops around schools.
"Is it not part of the national defense to make sure that your children are safe?" Boxer said at Capitol Hill press conference.
Boxer also introduced the School Safety Enhancement Act, which would increase funding for a federal grants program, from $30 million to $50 million, to help fund school security measures, such as installation of metal detectors and surveillance cameras.
(http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-elementary-school-shooting-in-newtown-conn-pictures,0,2423645.photogallery)
The bills are among the first of what is expected to be a wave of legislative proposals intended to curb gun violence, including tougher gun control and new measures aimed at keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill.
"The slaughter of the innocents must stop," she said. "We must keep our schools safe by utilizing all of the law enforcement tools at our disposal."
Boxer said the National Guard legislation is modeled after a program in place since 1989 that allows governors to use the National Guard to aid law enforcement in anti-drug operations. Troops could be deployed at schools, or assigned to desk jobs at police stations to free up local law enforcement to patrol schools.
Citing 258 shooting deaths at U.S. schools since 1999, Boxer said, "Whoever says this is not the right time, I say this, 'When is the right time?'"

Still doing it wrong. But I guess it's not such a ridiculous idea now is it?

[Irving]

I would personally pay for the CCW training for a teacher who wanted to carry at my kids school.

[BigBear]

I would personally pay for the CCW training for a teacher who wanted to carry at my kids school.

Want to move your daughter to my school? hehehehe.

[Wulf202]

I'm totally on board with the voluntary thing. just need to make it law to allow them to do so. my wife, mom, dad, sister, brother-in-law, and 2 uncles are all teachers.
They can simply change their job description from teacher to teacher/security guard and the law allows for them to carry.

I would personally pay for the CCW training for a teacher who wanted to carry at my kids school.

Any employee of any colorado school district will receive a free seat in our CCW classes, have them get ahold of me.

[StagLefty]

Any employee of any colorado school district will receive a free seat in our CCW classes, have them get ahold of me.

Well done Sir !!!

[Byte Stryke]

They can simply change their job description from teacher to teacher/citizen and the law allows for them to carry.


FTFY

we need to move away from the "Armed Authority" mentality and towards an armed citizenry

[Inconel710]

Frankly, I was pissed the NRA's big plan was to push for more school resource officers. With budgets so tight there's no way it would happen. No mention of permit holders carrying in school.

BTW - Chris Christie lost my vote. His knee jerk response to this was typical progressivism, not conservatism.

[fitz19d]

The issues of federal/military in civilian matters is a bit sketchy for me, but I kinda like the National Guard or maybe reserves idea. Have all these troops with benefits but don't get paid all that much more than private security. Gives them something to do and a bit of extra pay from extra days. Either volunteers for a full time duty or a rotation of different people covering different days.

[clublights]

Troops in full battle rattle = OK
but Cops = Scary for the children ??

WHAT ???

[TFOGGER]

Looks like the Gun Free School Zone Act might not apply in CO, so we're just restricting ourselves now?



So anyone with a CCW is g2g per the fed? [/FONT][/COLOR]

Carrying on the grounds of a k-12 school in Colorado(without explicit written permission from the school board) is a felony under CRS 18-12-105.5, except as allowed (in your vehicle, or stored in your vehicle within a separate compartment(console, glovebox, etc within the vehicle locked if you are not in it) .

[hammer03]

Carrying on the grounds of a k-12 school in Colorado(without explicit written permission from the school board) is a felony under CRS 18-12-105.5, except as allowed (in your vehicle, or stored in your vehicle within a separate compartment(console, glovebox, etc within the vehicle locked if you are not in it) .
Right, so Colorado law is the hitch, nothing federal...