Clip vs Magazine indoctrination

[Colorado Osprey]

Many here get irritated when someone calls a magazine a clip.
Many here are also misinformed as when they think they know what the true definition is.

I'm playing devil's advocate here.

A magazine is where ammunition or munition supplies are stored.
This comes waaay back when magazines stored spears, battle axes and cannon supplies.
The magazine in a war ship stores powder and projectiles.

A clip is a magazine loading device- most people will not even argue this definition.

The problem with the poorly informed or the military indoctrinated is that all removable ammunition devices are referred to as magazines.
Stripper clips or clips fill magazines... most will agree

An M1 Garand has an internal storage area (magazine) that is loaded via stripper clips.

Most Semi Auto pistols have a ammunition storage area located in the hand grip that is loaded via a what? The grip should be a magazine and what should load it? A clip or a magazine?
Since it is just a hole and not an ammunition feeding device the hole is just a hole for the magazine... but you can understand where some confusion starts between clip and magazine.
But wait, by definition a magazine is just a storage device not a feeding device so that pistol magazine actually feeds ammunition to the gun and could be clip when removed.
So a pistol magazine when removed from the pistol by definition is a clip and where it is inserted is a magazine.

This point is even more evident when a magazine only partially holds ammunition feeding device like in most high capacity semi-auto rifles. If the ammunition feeding device is hanging out of the gun or the magazine, by definition doesn't it now become a clip?

Now some of you are fuming mad.... This guy is really not right!! We all know what a magazine and a @#$%$ clip is !!
What he is describing is a magazine well not the magazine!

In know that we as gun people need to realize is that sometimes things are named one thing or another. A name doesn't make it right or wrong. Just because someone called a mag well not a magazine doesn't necessarily make it so. By definition it is a magazine, not a magazine well. So getting offended when somebody calls a magazine a clip is just being testy. They may actually be right!

For those that have been indoctrinated and need to now vent....
FLAME ON!

It's been about 5 years since the last one and people are still ragging on clip vs mag thing

[blacklabel]

They may actually be right!

I completely agree, if by "right" you meant "ignorant".

The common vernacular is "magazine". It shows familiarity with the culture and an understanding of the commonly used terms. That's why it's so damn annoying when they can't get it right and result to calling my MAGAZINE a god damn piece of fruit.

[SNAFU]

An M1 Garand has an internal storage area (magazine) that is loaded via stripper clips.


M1 Garands are loaded by 8,,5,,or 2 round ENBLOCKS they are not loaded va "stripper clips",,nor is there a "magazine".
Nor are they "clips"

Just some edumacation ;)

[Aloha_Shooter]

M1 Garands are loaded by 8,,5,,or 2 round ENBLOCKS they are not loaded va "stripper clips",,nor is there a "magazine".
Nor are they "clips"

Just some edumacation ;)

Since we're edumacating, they're enbloc (or en bloc) clips --- no 'k' and they ARE clips. [blah-blah]

I have a couple hundred over here if you'd like to see ... (although about 150 of them are still in spam cans that I don't want to open) ;-)

[Gman]

An M1 Garand does have an internal magazine. That's where the en bloc clip is inserted into.

[SNAFU]

Well you have 150,,got 1000+ myself,,,don't know how the "k" got there.
My Wnchester M1 Garand gets loaded by ENBLOCS

[SideShow Bob]

Nuff said ?

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/80261-Clips-vs-Magazines

[Gman]

Yeah, you nailed it. The subject is closed.

...waiting for new thread on the subject in 3....2....1

[Aloha_Shooter]

Well you have 150,,got 1000+ myself,,,don't know how the "k" got there.
My Wnchester M1 Garand gets loaded by ENBLOCS

Technically, it gets loaded using enbloc clip --- unless you'd like to argue with FM23-5:


3. Description of the RifleThe U.S. rifle caliber .30, M1, (fig. 1) (http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/garand/fig1.htm) is an air-cooled, gas-operated, clip-fed, and semiautomatic shoulder weapon. This means that the air cools the barrel; that the power to cock the rifle and chamber the succeeding round comes from the expanding gas of the round fired previously; that it is loaded by inserting a metal clip (http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/garand/en-block.htm) (containing a maximum of eight rounds) into the receiver; and that the rifle fires one round each time the trigger is pulled.


12. Loading the Rifle(a.) Single round. To load a single round, pull the operating rod all the way to the rear. While holding the muzzle below the horizontal, place a round in the chamber an seat it with the thumb. With a knife edge of the right hand against the operating rod handle, force the operating rod slightly to the rear. Push down on the follower assembly with the right thumb and allow the bolt to ride forward. Remove the thumb from the follower assembly and release the operating rod handle, allowing the operating rod to go all the way forward.
(b.) Full clip. To load a full clip, hold the rifle at the balance with the left hand and pull the operating rod handle all the way to the rear. Place the butt of the rifle against the thigh or on the ground. With the right hand, place a full clip on top of the follower assembly. Place the thumb on the center of the top round in the clip and press the clip straight down into the receiver until it catches. Swing the right hand up and to the right to clear the bolt in its forward movement. Note that the operating rod is not held to the rear during loading since there is no danger of it going forward as long as pressure is maintained on the top round in the clip. It may be necessary to strike forward on the operating rod handle with the heel of the right hand to fully close and lock the bolt.
(c.) Partially filled clip. To load a partially filled clip, hold the rifle in the same manner prescribed for a full clip. With the operating rod all the way to the rear, place an empty clip into the receiver. Place the first round into the clip and on the follower, to the left of the follower slide. Press the second round into the clip, exerting a downward, turning motion until the round snaps into place. Load the remaining rounds in the same manner. With the knife edge of the the right hand against the operating rod handle force the operating rod slightly to the rear. Push down on the top round with the right thumb, allowing the bolt to start the top round forward. Remove the right hand and allow the operating rod to go forward.


14. Loading Rounds into a Clip
(a.) Insert eight rounds into the clip, holding the clip, open end upward, and the rounds in palm of your left hand. Start placing the rounds in from the lower left of the clip and make sure that each round is against the rear wall so that the inner rib of the clip engages the extracting groove of each round. The top round will then be on the right, making the clip easier for a right handed firer to load in the rifle. For the same reason, clips are loaded this way at arsenals.
(b.) Each time rounds are loaded into a clip, the clip should be checked for long rounds. If one rounds extends beyond the others, it will be hard to load the clip into the rifle. The long round should be seated by removing the top round, pushing the long round into place and then replacing the top round. Tapping the bullet against a solid surface to seat the long round may result in the bullet being pushed back into its cartridge case. This may damage the bullet or break the bullet seal which could result in changes in the ballistic performance of the round.

[Gman]

...a little history of the M1; http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/smallarms/p/m1garand.htm

[StagLefty]

Another horse that needs to be killed ?

[blacklabel]

Another horse that needs to be killed ?

The horse is dead, we're just beating it now. Feel free to join in.

[SideShow Bob]

Here ya go:
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[StagLefty]

Here ya go:
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