the idea of civil war may sound romantic but is not realistic

[alxone]

the idea of civil war may sound romantic but is not realistic . i keep hearing people say if the gov does such and such then its civil war etc.. well how do folks think thats gonna happen ? what we are really looking at is civil unrest .people seem to think that an ar-15 will hold off the gov ? well your little black rifle wont stop a helicopter , drones ,tanks and the list goes on . without organization its just a bunch of fools running around shooting at everything with no sides . communications are another one , your cellphone and laptop will be rendered useless in time of civil chaos/unrest .
i dont know i guess im getting pissed at all the people who claim they are ready to shoot but have no real plan for protecting their community or organizing supply's , communications and so forth . but then again it burns my butt every time i hear a fool say "im prepared , no food but i got a gun and ill take what i need " (i hear this at least once a week across the table ) .
so what are some real plans to work together concerning civil defense ? how do you establish communication lines without modern equipment ? how does one weed out the selfish crazies from the patriots ?
i dont want civil unrest of any kind (i have infants to care for ), but if it should arise some ideas for keeping a community safe would be nice .
has anyone gone to their neighbors and started a plan for collection of food and medical supply's ? who is gonna patch people up ? do you have a doctor, dentist , preacher etc . within walking distance ?
other things to consider are things like being in shape ,you can have all the guns and ammo in the world but if you cant get them to the battlefield then they are useless as well as yourself . whos gonna lead , if someone says they are the leader are they ?i have found that those that are the first to say "im in charge " are the worst for the job.

the questions and list can go on for days .


just thinking out loud and was wondering if anybody has thought about the same subject

[Fmedges]

For a true civil war to happen you would have to have a fairly large portion of the military and LE go along with it and even whole states go along with it. Anything less and you would have an insurgency. In that case you would have to change your tactics to one of small unit actions to win back areas county by county and it would take many years and many lives. Small arms will not defeat tanks but other simple devices can. You have to change the way you are thinking from one of conventional warfare to one of unconventional tactics. Look at the Taliban. As soon as something new comes out, they find a way to defeat it within six months. The way that the defense system procures new items takes years and millions to develop and these guys that still squat to shit change their tactics and within six months our guys have a new problem.

[rockhound]

i do not believe that our military will bomb us citizens, the govt will collapse before a true revolution occurs. I believe it will be lawlessness and looting that we would have to worry about.

[Bailey Guns]

I can't even imagine what it would look like. Words like "horrible" and "nightmare" don't even begin to describe how bad it would be. I'm under no illusions I'd make it much longer than anyone else. I think pure luck would play as much a part as anything else based on where/what type of events occurred.

[Monky]

Weren't we told to NOT speak about this sort of stuff on the forums?

I can imagine this thread not going well.

[brokenscout]

I see it turning into a Somalia type situation.. And yes things are in order down here.. I think there are a lot of people not posting their plans , but actually preparing.. We are all very close to becoming criminals.. I guess only time will tell..

[roberth]

I think our concerns should lie with who the 'entitled' are in our immediate neighborhoods. Like rockhound says the 'entitled' pose a far greater threat to us.

[Bailey Guns]

I think our concerns should lie with who the 'entitled' are in our immediate neighborhoods. Like rockhound says the 'entitled' pose a far greater threat to us.

I don't like the sound of that. My dogs all feel very "entitled". Don't be messin' with my dogs.

[alxone]

i for one really like being able to drive down the roads freely . i also like the fact that i can get my kids to a doc if need be . it just sends shivers down my spine when people want to take away our rights , want to do their neighbors harm instead of preparing . i just feel like people on all sides are gearing up for scary instead of trying to find ways to prevent it . why not talk to the fire department and work on a plan encase the lights go out ? wouldn't it be better to work with local goverment to help establish and or preserve ? the media and most social networking sites are not helping socity work together but insted creating an every men for himself environment . why not work with churches and local groups to help with clothing and food .
all im saying is the recent events have really opened my eyes to a harsh reality that no one , not the gov , not you , not me , not one person is really prepared for a disaster of this magnitude .

[Monky]

I don't like the sound of that. My dogs all feel very "entitled". Don't be messin' with my dogs.


What about your cats?

[Bailey Guns]

You won't find too many cats around a house full of JRTs.

ETA: Live cats....

[alxone]

I don't like the sound of that. My dogs all feel very "entitled". Don't be messin' with my dogs.


What about your cats?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0

[Aloha_Shooter]

Civil wars are NOT romantic. Civil wars are the bloodiest, most vicious ones in history. The very prospect of a civil war should horrify you (and yes, I think the "new society" types count on that to bring fence-sitters over on their side to some extent). We should be THEM be the ones proposing it and alluding to it -- in fact, I think the analogs between the "Occupy" protests and civil unrest elsewhere in the world were a major part of why the general public didn't support the "Occupy" movement.

[ronaldrwl]

It's not that people would run around like some zombie movie shooting people. If things got to that point, I could see whole states declaring separating from the Union. Much like the Civil War. In that case they would be asking for BYOG volunteers. Just my wild guess of the worst case scenario.

[brokenscout]

The United States has been in the "fish bowl" for to long, we are the only Country that hasn't experienced Civil unrest.. Look at the rest of the world.. Once the MB has taken over the Middle East, it will be at our door if its not already here.. What if the "Occupy" movement decided to take up arms or the Black Panthers?

[TS12000]

I'm pretty sure I'm a better shot than 99% of the 99%ers

[brokenscout]

A war on the American people has already begun, Waco, Randy Weaver and who knows how many more.. How many shootings/shoot outs are on the news where its a "bad guy"? DO you really know if that person was a criminal or just that's whats reported? If we don't take action to keep new laws from being passed, we can and will be those "criminals" on the news..

[Zundfolge]

In the 1860s Civil War, 2% of the US population died (about 620,000 people).

If the same percentage of the US population were to die in a modern Civil War you'd be looking at SIX AND A QUARTER MILLION dead people (2% of 311,591,917=6,231,838.34).

Considering we have better weapons now, even with better medical care I bet that number would go up.


Someday war may become a necessity, but its going to come at a TREMENDOUS cost (not just in lives and treasure, but the chances of us coming out the other side as a free, constitutional republic are pretty doggone slim).

[NMB2]

i for one really like being able to drive down the roads freely . i also like the fact that i can get my kids to a doc if need be . it just sends shivers down my spine when people want to take away our rights , want to do their neighbors harm instead of preparing . i just feel like people on all sides are gearing up for scary instead of trying to find ways to prevent it . why not talk to the fire department and work on a plan encase the lights go out ? wouldn't it be better to work with local goverment to help establish and or preserve ? the media and most social networking sites are not helping socity work together but insted creating an every men for himself environment . why not work with churches and local groups to help with clothing and food .
all im saying is the recent events have really opened my eyes to a harsh reality that no one , not the gov , not you , not me , not one person is really prepared for a disaster of this magnitude .

Here is the thing, I have talked with fellow NCO's I served with that are still in..... they are making plans within the unit, commander has told them that he will not ask them to do, what the President might ask of him to do. Its serious when company and battalion level units have to have this type of talks among commanders and his NCO's. The harsh reality is that you are correct and that the majority of civilians, especially the ones that think they are prepared are not and will probably die, or have to figure out how to survive REAL fast.

The strategic reality is that there are many military units that will not comply, and there are even more veteran warfighters that are citizen soldiers. Rest assured that there are plans that cannot be spoken about, both online and within organizations.

As for it being romantic, there is nothing romantic about it. I've said it once, I'll say it again... war is ugly, its nitty gritty.... its a daily grind and its not for the weak. I volunteered to go fight for freedoms in some shit hole country in the middle east that I didn't really get any gratification for, it would be my honor to fight for my own country, for my Constitution, for Liberty, Freedom, and Justice for all..... as my fore fathers did.


For a true civil war to happen you would have to have a fairly large portion of the military and LE go along with it and even whole states go along with it. Anything less and you would have an insurgency. In that case you would have to change your tactics to one of small unit actions to win back areas county by county and it would take many years and many lives. Small arms will not defeat tanks but other simple devices can. You have to change the way you are thinking from one of conventional warfare to one of unconventional tactics. Look at the Taliban. As soon as something new comes out, they find a way to defeat it within six months. The way that the defense system procures new items takes years and millions to develop and these guys that still squat to shit change their tactics and within six months our guys have a new problem.

^^^

This.

[ChunkyMonkey]

You guys are crazy for even think of the possibility.