View Full Version : CALL TO ACTION: March on state capitols, 19 Jan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUAfft7l4wQ#!
I'll be there (here) in Denver! I encourage all other Denverites and Colorodans to be there with me! Bring a friend. Bring some family!
Please help spread the word!
Yes the date in the overlay is wrong. It says 2012 but he says 2013. SATURDAY JAN 19, 2013 at NOON!!!
I don't know all of the Colorado gun-related forums, so if you can help me spread the word on those other local forums... I'd greatly appreciate it! See you all there!
quondom fremd
01-09-2013, 21:55
So who is going to be the spokesperson to actually organize this for CO?
Limited GM
01-09-2013, 23:16
Can't wait to see how many will talk the game here, but fail to show. I've never been to a demonstration in my life, but this one is worth attending. Just standing quietly and being seen is a huge step to show were not all nuts.
Leave the camo, unless you're a vet, at home along with the guns. Dress professional and bring family and friends.
islandermyk
01-10-2013, 00:50
It's on the calender....
GilpinGuy
01-10-2013, 01:37
Can't wait to see how many will talk the game here, but fail to show. I've never been to a demonstration in my life, but this one is worth attending. Just standing quietly and being seen is a huge step to show were not all nuts.
Leave the camo, unless you're a vet, at home along with the guns. Dress professional and bring family and friends.
Are you serious? I'm not suggesting it will be a dangerous place to be (quite the contrary) but that's why you carry - you never know when the place you're at is dangerous. "Leave your guns at home" when going to a gun rally where you can legally carry? LOL!
I think I can attend this. If I do, I will dress like like I normally dress and carry like I normally carry. Am I'm missing something here?
KestrelBike
01-10-2013, 02:20
Are you serious? I'm not suggesting it will be a dangerous place to be (quite the contrary) but that's why you carry - you never know when the place you're at is dangerous. "Leave your guns at home" when going to a gun rally where you can legally carry? LOL!
I think I can attend this. If I do, I will dress like like I normally dress and carry like I normally carry. Am I'm missing something here?
Maybe he meant open-carry? (esp long guns lol). Open Carry in Denver = no-no, right?
Bailey Guns
01-10-2013, 06:44
Holy crap! It's on a Sat. I'm planning on attending. My first demonstration...I'm SO excited!
While I'm hoping all states have a great turnout... I'd love for CO to have the greatest turnout. The greater the numbers, the greater the impact. Bring friends! Bring family. Bring coworkers.
Limited GM
01-10-2013, 09:06
Yes, I was referring to those who want to sport openly. IMO, it's not the time to do that. And I'd wager the same ones who do will be the type who the media rushes to to " describe what the tornado sounded like". Some guy with good intentions, but a sixth grade education and poor dental plan.
Feel free to CC if you've got the permit. I think people are suggesting no OC because that is (unfortunately) a no-no in downtown Denver. And while a few thousand guys in suits raising their AR's in unison would be a powerful sight to behold... now isn't the time for that.
Singlestack
01-10-2013, 09:14
I will likely be there. I think it would be a good idea for COAR 15 members to be represented as a group, together, perhaps with appropriate signage?
I will likely be there. I think it would be a good idea for COAR 15 members to be represented as a group, together, perhaps with appropriate signage?
That is a great idea. I'm a new member (just built my first over the weekend) but I'll gladly stand together with you guys!
THIS is why it is so important that as many of us as possible show up on the 19th (and each additional rally after that) if it is at all humanly possible. Please show up! We've got to send a message to our legislature!
COLORADO ALERT: 2013 Anti-Gun Bills at the State Capitol
Updated information on anti-Second Amendment bills in the 2013 Colorado Legislature:
We can expect 14 to 20 anti-gun bills. The current Democrat package includes:
A ban on an undetermined number of semi-automatic firearms (No grandfather clause)
A ban on magazines of over ten rounds (No grandfather clause).
Making an individual with a violent misdemeanor a "prohibited person" re: gun ownership.
A ban on private sales by requiring universal background checks.
A waiting period on background checks that will kill gun shows.
Rollback of concealed carry on college campuses.
More strict enforcement of gun confiscation related to restraining orders
Wider use of mental health treatment information for gun control purposes
Published reports indicate that rabid, anti-gun, millionaire, New York City Mayor Bloomberg is sending a well funded team to Colorado to push gun control.
What can you do?
Contribute to the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and help stop the assault on our rights.
Contact your State Senator and State Representative twice a month, starting now, to express opposition to any anti- Second Amendment legislation. Be polite, but firm. If you have a lame duck senator or representative, call both the old one and the new one.
Contact the Governor once a month.
Write letters to newspapers opposing gun control.
Write posts to websites opposing gun control.
Warn your gun owning friends about the impending disaster to the Second Amendment in Colorado.
Educate open-minded people on the evils of gun control.
Prepare to help with lawsuits to stop any anti-gun bills that pass the legislature.
Plan time to come to the Capitol and possibly testify against gun Control We will give you times, places and information on testimony preparation and presentation. We will need thousands of people at the Capitol to stop any of the above legislation.
If you want to write to any of the elected state officials, use:
TITLE NAME
200 East Colfax
Denver, CO 80203-1784
Governor Hickenlooper can be reached at 303-866-2471
Toll free #s: House: 800-811-7647 Senate: 888-473-8136
State Web Site: http://www.state.co.us The bills are on line!
Can't wait to see how many will talk the game here, but fail to show. I've never been to a demonstration in my life, but this one is worth attending. Just standing quietly and being seen is a huge step to show were not all nuts.
Leave the camo, unless you're a vet, at home along with the guns. Dress professional and bring family and friends.
So me being a vet, I can wear my field jacket (might be cold)... Now which one, BDU or ACU?
I encourage and challenge all of us vets to be there. We swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. This march is just one small way we can do exactly that. Send out the call to action to all of your veteran friends on Facebook/Twitter and encourage them to show up as well.
Let's all be there. Bring your family, invite your friends and co-workers.
Dress like you're going to be on TV, and no OC please. The media will do their best to seek out the morons.
[IMPORTANT]
VERY IMPORTANT PRO-GUN rally at the Capitol on 01/19/13! Attend if you can show support for YOUR
2nd Amendment rights! Show your legislators that we are more than just a few law abiding, peaceful, 2 nd
amendment & constitution loving Americans!
Some of you know this already, some of you don't. On Jan 19th, 2013 at 12:00PM, there is a call out
nationwide for a pro-gun rally at all state capitols nationwide. This is to draw attention to our 2nd
amendment rights and show the politicians that we will not succumb to the relinquishing of our guns. At the
dinner Saturday night our guest speaker laid it out for the gun owners in Colorado. He had spent some time
that day with a state rep and was told the people in our state congress want your guns. This is separate
from the federal gun ban they are bringing to us. We need everyone to attend that can to show our
strength, in numbers. They want to ban all AR's, high cap mags, guns that hold high cap mags, bullet
allowance, and if you are able to buy a gun, you pay 100% of background check fees as determined by the
state. What happens if you are caught with banned items? Of course you will be welcomed into the world of
felons and not able to own another gun. You can sit on your ass and not get involved but don't complain if
these laws pass and you did nothing. Right now I am waiting for word from Denver gov. on permit
requirements. We need five (5) democrat votes to overturn this or they will win, make no mistake about it.
Right now we don't even have one, the democrats control our congress in Colorado and they need to see
that we are more than just a couple of gun owners. I know, we have matches to shoot but if they get what
they want you will be lucky to shoot a match. Everyone on here, send this out to anyone you can think of.
This is being organized by several gun groups. If you want a copy of the mission statement call or send me
an email. This has to be well organized, with no violence, name calling, etc, it must be professional. "Gun
Control = more crime" "guns across America"
[Don Dobyns] 719 200 6797 cuttingedge765@msn.com
Damn, I have to be in Greeley at 1
I'm sure he'll be off training somewhere... but I'd love for Travis to be there with us in Denver on the 19th. If not to speak, at least to stand with us. I'm sure he would be there if he could! A great video and you could tell it was all straight from the heart!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yIGzj6eIwWU
no open carry is fucking gay.
Still haven't got my ccw here. I live in Denver county.
I will probably show up.... stay close to my car.....
Bring some people with you. The more the merrier!
Seeing lots of people on other sites committing to be there. Lots of CO residents! That is great to see!
Damn, I have to be in Greeley at 1
Eh, call in sick!
I'll be there, don't have a suit and I hate being cold, but I'll have my CO-AR15 hat on, and my CCW .45.
I don't have a suit... and none of my dress shirts fit (not their fault... mine). hehe But I'm gonna go out and get at least a nice dress shirt this weekend. The most important thing is just being there. I'll do my best to dress somewhat nice though. Shirt, tie and American Flag... I'll be all set!
I'm not a member of RMGO or Armslist... so if anyone here is a member of those sights... can you post the video and info over there to help spread the word? Thanks a ton!
I'm not a member of RMGO or Armslist... so if anyone here is a member of those sights... can you post the video and info over there to help spread the word? Thanks a ton!
Dudley, the RMGO president is a member here- don't everyone flood his inbox, but I think he should be made aware of this, if he doesn't already know... I suspect he knows and plans to attend.
Eh, call in sick!
I'll be there, don't have a suit and I hate being cold, but I'll have my CO-AR15 hat on, and my CCW .45.
I'm teaching a ccw class...
jhood001
01-11-2013, 22:54
So me being a vet, I can wear my field jacket (might be cold)... Now which one, BDU or ACU?
You won't be there.
Take a pic of yourself on the steps with a sign proving it is you and I'll send you 20$ via paypal or cash in the mail. Promise.
Or just slap me on the back if you see me. Twisted Vine ball cap and a dark green flannel shirt.
OR - you can PM me, meet me half-way and I'll drive you the rest of the way into the capital. Yes, you have been called out.
You won't be there.
Take a pic of yourself on the steps with a sign proving it is you and I'll send you 20$ via paypal or cash in the mail. Promise.
Or just slap me on the back if you see me. Twisted Vine ball cap and a dark green flannel shirt.
OR - you can PM me, meet me half-way and I'll drive you the rest of the way into the capital. Yes, you have been called out.
Why do you say that if you don't mind me asking
AirbornePathogen
01-12-2013, 14:52
Just to toss in my $0.02: I daresay we want this to be a LAWFUL and PEACEFUL demonstration. Personally, I strongly advise against any display of firearms. If you have a CHP, by all means carry concealed. But keep in mind, open carry/open display of firearms is against the law in the City and Sovereign Nation - excuse me, County - of Denver. Also, according to a couple cop friends of mine, Denver PD is aware that this event is in the works, and I don't doubt for one second that they'll have a strong presence of their own, and will be watching the participants like hawks waiting for somebody to do something stupid. That said, if I can do some horse-trading of work shifts, I'll be there, dressed respectably and carrying concealed.
Of course... this is a PEACEFUL assembly and there should be no open carry or display of firearms since it is not allowed in the Denver metro area. By all means... carry concealed if you have the permit (many of us will be). Bring your signs, bring your American Flags, bring your friends and family! Let's have a great, peaceful assembly and a great time... I'm looking forwarding to meeting some new friends and range buddies while there!
Slapps74
01-12-2013, 16:50
I will be there. We should find a way to meet up and introduce some of ourselves to each other.
jhood001
01-12-2013, 20:17
Why do you say that if you don't mind me asking
Long drive for him and I just don't think he'll do it. I actually want him to go. I'm hoping a little nudge will get him there.
Oh shit, tailgating time
Oh shit, tailgating timethat was my thought....
Now can we count on you guys being there?
It really sucks that the Broncos lost... hell of a game... but the silver lining is not having a game that weekend means there SHOULD be an even greater turnout at the march!
Yeah I was planning on it
blacklabel
01-12-2013, 20:42
I will likely be there. I think it would be a good idea for COAR 15 members to be represented as a group, together, perhaps with appropriate signage?
Any ideas on where we could meet up beforehand? I'm up for carpooling with anyone from the Greeley area if there's interest.
The Avs are out of town... so that won't be an excuse. I'm also gonna set my DVR to record the game... so that won't be an excuse either. Though I'll probably be recording a different game (Blues vs Redwings). GO BLUES!
Just bumping so more people will see it. Hope that isn't against the rules.
blacklabel
01-13-2013, 18:48
And my invitation to carpool with me is still open. I've got room for four.
Holger Danske
01-13-2013, 23:21
Here is what I was thinking for a sign with a focus on Colorado lawmakers
Colorado hunting and fishing has a total economic impact of $1.7 billion per year. Any laws passed that infringe the 2nd amendment or seek to take away weapons or magazines that are lawfully owned today will cause me to go on strike agaist hunting and fishing until said laws are reversed. Consider the revenue loss as other gun owners join this strike.
Is it too wordy?
Holy crap! It's on a Sat. I'm planning on attending. My first demonstration...I'm SO excited!
this is my 1st!!
I think Americans have been pushed far enough, This is the time to stand up for what we believe in.[Beer]
So where do we get beer afterwards. [Ban1]
That would be either a really small font or a very big sign. =)
I'm going with "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" on one side and "I SWORE AN OATH TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION" on the other.
Short and to the point. I gotta have old glory with me too!
I'm aiming to be there. Are any of us planning to meet up at the event?
Here is what I was thinking for a sign with a focus on Colorado lawmakers
Colorado hunting and fishing has a total economic impact of $1.7 billion per year. Any laws passed that infringe the 2nd amendment or seek to take away weapons or magazines that are lawfully owned today will cause me to go on strike agaist hunting and fishing until said laws are reversed. Consider the revenue loss as other gun owners join this strike.
Is it too wordy?
Yep. Fewer words in big block letters on white show up much better. Ever try to read a panhandler's sign that was written with a Sharpie as you're driving by? Need big, thick letters and short message.
ghettodub
01-14-2013, 00:11
I will be there!
stevelkinevil
01-14-2013, 00:26
Hell I made the last one, but this ones easier because its a Saturday. But my boys and hopefully the GF will be there as well.
Singlestack
01-14-2013, 07:37
Me and my family will be there. Working on the sign tonite.
yjsaindon
01-14-2013, 09:37
This may have already been posted I just didn't have time to look for it. There is a PEACEFUL march on the Capital this weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUAfft7l4wQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
rockhound
01-14-2013, 09:38
I think saturday will be too late, its my sons birthday so i wont be able to go
Anyone who can hand out Molon Labe postcards at the rally please let me know! I've got the presses running non-stop and have ~4000 postcards to date. I'm leaving town on Wednesday so please, PLEASE, if you can help send me a PM. I'm down south and could meet between 4:30 and 5:30 today. I'm around tomorrow as well but have to be on a flight Wednesday morning.
Thanks!!!
SideShow Bob
01-14-2013, 09:42
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/81187-CALL-TO-ACTION-March-on-state-capitols-19-Jan!
Nuff said ?
yjsaindon
01-14-2013, 09:54
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/81187-CALL-TO-ACTION-March-on-state-capitols-19-Jan!
Nuff said ?
I knew someone got to it already. Can't raise awareness too much though. Hopefully it's a great representation of what responsible gun ownership can be.
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
01-14-2013, 10:19
I'll be there but I get off at 3 on Saturday so ill be late
I love to see that people are bringing their family with them!
two shoes
01-14-2013, 10:52
Will bring 2 of 3 kids... My 10 year old has a birthday party to go to. Wife says I cannot give him the following ultimatum: "You can go to Denver and help fight for your God given rights your government is trying to take from you, practically ensuring your slavery to a tyrannic dictator in your life time, or go to this little birthday party ..." I'll let him decide...
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
01-14-2013, 10:56
Ill be there at 330
WiseAsset
01-14-2013, 11:16
Ill be there at 330
Event is scheduled from 12:00 - 3:00, speaking to the guy trying to organize this for CO, there seems to be overwhelming support for the event, however, on that note, this is not the time for bickering, name calling or dissention amongst the ranks. We MUST stand together. Please show up with as many people as you can possibly bring, remain respectful and bear in mind who we are representing. I hope to see and meet all of you on Saturday.
GilpinGuy
01-14-2013, 11:21
Hell yeah, I'll be there.
Looks like David Kopel may show up.. Would be great if we could get him to speak.
http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/14/activities-for-gun-appreciation-day/
Looks like David Kopel is showing:
http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/14/activities-for-gun-appreciation-day/
ghettodub
01-14-2013, 12:10
Attached is a PDF flyer if anyone wants to post them up anywhere.
I'm gonna print that out and swing by Bass Pro in the next day or two if I can. I was there yesterday and didn't see any flyers there. There may have been some... I just didn't see any.
spittoon
01-14-2013, 19:47
Be there
I was at 3 tea party rallies and they were a nice turn out but we see that went no where. I bet congress even caves and raises the debit limit again.
I am holding out for the armed million gun owner march on DC into the capitol.
I will try and get some people there with me.
jackthewall81
01-14-2013, 23:48
I have two others going with me. Should be fun.
bruceleroy
01-15-2013, 06:48
I will be there, hopefully with my boys.
I want to come, been planning to come. But still healing from two major lumbar spine surgeries, and I tripped over a goddamn footstool last night and fell on my face. Wrenched a muscle in my back pretty bad, I can barely walk. So I'll have to see how I am Saturday. Pretty pissed off about it at the moment.
Well, it appears NY just passed a ban on anything greater than 7 rounds. Their grandfather clause? If you own something greater than 7 rounds... you can only load 7 rounds in it!
This is what we face here in CO if we don't put a stop to it! Bloomberg is funding lobbying groups here to help push through similar legislation without grandfathering clauses. See... at first it was 10 rounds... Now it is 7, before long it will be 5 then 1, then none. Where does it end?
This is why it is so important to be there Saturday if at all humanly possible.
We'll fight hard for you rondog... we know not everyone can make it but I'm sure you will be there in spirit.
Waywardson174
01-15-2013, 10:27
I'll be there with this, just in case things get out of hand. . .
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/309526_406101609471139_500477560_n.jpg
See you guys at the party.
Wife is under the knife, right now, getting a "new" knee. Suppose to get out Friday and if all goes well, I'll be there.
StonewallUSMC
01-15-2013, 13:25
Take a Stand and head to your State Capitals January 19, 2013 at 12 noon! See you there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2QzqF7uNZQ
Sootch00 FB Page:http://www.facebook.com/Sootch00FunGunReviews?ref=hl
Guns Across America FB Page:http://www.facebook.com/events/144639815690301/
Gun Control=More Crime FB Page:http://www.facebook.com/GunControlMoreCrime
Feb 8th 2nd Amenedment Appreciation Day:http://www.facebook.com/events/406312512782872/
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HBARleatherneck
01-15-2013, 13:27
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bigstick0000
01-15-2013, 13:33
Hey shooters, Im the rep for our state and would appreciate it if you get the word out. It looks like going through your post you are doing great. I can't emphasize how important it is to show up. Enough that I have put my life on hold, stopped my matches, and devoting 18 hours a day to this cause. If any of you have questions on anything or suggestions call me or txt or email. Thanks again, don dobyns 719 200 6797
https://www.facebook.com/#!/GunsAcrossAmericaColorado
One more thing, if you want to set up a small table and seeks members feel free to do it. Just let me know you will be doing that. thanks again, dd
StonewallUSMC
01-15-2013, 13:50
Roger that Sir! [facepalm]
SideShow Bob
01-15-2013, 13:53
A 4X RePost, I think that is a new NOOB record.......[LOL]
StonewallUSMC
01-15-2013, 14:03
A 4X RePost, I think that is a new NOOB record.......[LOL]
Well hopefully this carriers over on the Capital stairs and we set record turn out numbers there!
From their national page (because the event doesn't break down to individual state) on FB: Going (10,715) as of 1315.
Yeah, mentioned this to the wife and got a death stare and reminder her oldest gets his Eagle Scout medal this Saturday at noon.
CrufflerSteve
01-15-2013, 14:45
Maybe this or one of the many competing threads could be stickied until Saturday. That way we wouldn't have a repeat every few hours. Noobs are noobs and search functions must be as mysterious to people in Colorado as the Yield sign.
I plan on attending and I'll even try to dress as civilized as I can manage. I hope the nutters stay home. There could be 10,000 reasonable folk there and one painted whacko in camo's waving an AR. Guess what will end up on TV.
Punkface
01-15-2013, 14:53
I'll be there in a tac vest open carrying 2 AKs and a few handguns.
Kidding. I'll be there reasonably dressed.
I'll be there in a tac vest open carrying 2 AKs and a few handguns.
Kidding. I'll be there reasonably dressed.
Wait, that isn't reasonably dressed? [oops]
Updated video from TNP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_yCUtyup6XM
BIL is planning to go with me on Sat.
...and the numbers grow. ;)
SA Friday
01-15-2013, 16:21
I'm planning on going.
Question keeps popping up in relation to this, and I did some searching through the CRS and found nothing... CCW at the march? Everything I've been able to find states that going inside a government building it is illegal to possess a firearm, but it says nothing about CCW while on public grounds or during a demonstration being illegal. If this is wrong I'd hope to find out prior to Sat. But from what I can find in both CRS and CCW legislation there is nothing wrong with CCW at the march.
My wife and I will be there.
Uberjager
01-15-2013, 19:05
I'm going. I'll definitely be dressed business casual, or I might sport a suit. Will anyone from the 285 corridor be up for car pooling?
we should also have a CO-AR meetup spot at like 11:30. Then we can walk over to the main area together.
blacklabel
01-15-2013, 19:07
we should also have a CO-AR meetup spot at like 11:30. Then we can walk over to the main area together.
Does anyone know the area well enough to determine a solid meetup spot?
ChunkyMonkey
01-15-2013, 19:09
Anyone still has COARF banner? If Marlin ok with it, we should make our presence felt.
SA Friday
01-15-2013, 19:17
Anyone still has COARF banner? If Marlin ok with it, we should make our presence felt.
My own personal opinion, I don't think we should advertise. It will just bring out the media and trolls.
Best place to park IMO would be the parking lots on Auraria campus and then walk the couple of blocks to the capital. It's about s 20 minute or so walk.
Anyone still has COARF banner? If Marlin ok with it, we should make our presence felt.
This for more reasons than I can count. Rally existing members to a common point and get the word out for those that don't know about us.
Uberjager
01-15-2013, 19:26
Does anyone know the area well enough to determine a solid meetup spot?
I think there's like a memorial park literally just west of the Capitol. I don't know where the actual protest will be, but I think that would be a good spot to meet at.
blacklabel
01-15-2013, 19:33
I think there's like a memorial park literally just west of the Capitol. I don't know where the actual protest will be, but I think that would be a good spot to meet at.
Best place to park IMO would be the parking lots on Auraria campus and then walk the couple of blocks to the capital. It's about s 20 minute or so walk.
By no means am I trying to plan this or make hard plans for anyone but I'll plan on parking at the campus and then walking to the park to be there by 1130ish.
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HBARleatherneck
01-15-2013, 19:36
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SA Friday
01-15-2013, 19:42
By no means am I trying to plan this or make hard plans for anyone but I'll plan on parking at the campus and then walking to the park to be there by 1130ish.
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Which parking area? I like the Cherry parking area. It has easy access via the Auraria exit on I-25. I'll be parking the and heading out to capital at 1130.
http://www.ahec.edu/parking/2011%20Parking%20Map.pdf
You can't miss me. I'm dead sexy... (and I have site stickers on my back window of the cap on my green Toyota truck)
blacklabel
01-15-2013, 19:46
Which parking area? I like the Cherry parking area. It has easy access via the Auraria exit on I-25. I'll be parking the and heading out to capital at 1130.
http://www.ahec.edu/parking/2011%20Parking%20Map.pdf
You can't miss me. I'm dead sexy... (and I have site stickers on my back window of the cap on my green Toyota truck)
That works. Much easier to get into and out of. I'll be in a dark blue Nissan Frontier with a new COAR-15 sticker in the bottom left of the rear window.
stoner01
01-15-2013, 19:51
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to wish yall a safe day. I wont be able to attend but Ill be there in spirit.
HBARleatherneck
01-15-2013, 19:53
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Uberjager
01-15-2013, 19:55
Which parking area? I like the Cherry parking area. It has easy access via the Auraria exit on I-25. I'll be parking the and heading out to capital at 1130.
http://www.ahec.edu/parking/2011%20Parking%20Map.pdf
You can't miss me. I'm dead sexy... (and I have site stickers on my back window of the cap on my green Toyota truck)
I'll probably be parking at that lot, if I'm not carpooling with anyone. I'll be in a tin-can of a white lancer.
islandermyk
01-15-2013, 21:07
[2cents]Just wanna say... when the day comes... Please have your phones and camcorders charged and ready to go![Beer]
gnihcraes
01-15-2013, 22:12
Park at the garage just south of the denver library. Reasonable usually.
http://denverlibrary.org/content/central-library-parking
Ride the 16, 16L (colfax) number 9 (10th ave to Colfax/Cherokee by Courthouse) bus downtown for 2.25.
Uberjager
01-15-2013, 22:29
Should we have "designated PR" people for our group in case the media interviews us? I have a terrible habit of spilling spaghetti out of my pockets.
I plan on being seen rather than heard....or part of the herd...or something. We need to show some numbers. I don't believe that the politicians are working on Sat. and I can't yell loud enough for them to hear me anyway.
I believe we'll be at the Civic Center park for the demonstration, so meeting up there will likely be difficult. I plan on using the garage by the library (Thanks for the tip).
Best place to park at Auraria is along the fence by the rail road tracks. Parking is free and it will be empty on Saturday. That is on the FAR side of the campus though.
Uberjager
01-16-2013, 00:20
Best place to park at Auraria is along the fence by the rail road tracks. Parking is free and it will be empty on Saturday. That is on the FAR side of the campus though.
Is that an AHEC lot?
No, it is the side of a street.
Uberjager
01-16-2013, 00:28
No, it is the side of a street.
Would you post a link to a map? Thanks!
Stevensje
01-16-2013, 00:50
The sportsman expo is also this weekend. It would be great if they showed!
The red circles are where I used to park when I went to school down there. The orange lines are where the street used to go through.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Hx6tdmwfUiA/UPZQ2rlLGHI/AAAAAAAAA3I/xmOH0OUzSsY/s901/Parking.jpg
rustycrusty
01-16-2013, 03:38
DON'T OPEN CARRY AT THE RALLY
DON'T BE 'THAT GUY' ON THE NEWS
YOU SPEAK FOR ALL OF US
YOUR WORDS WILL BE MANIPULATED AND TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT
DRESS RESPECTABLY
NO CAMO
how will you feel if you accidentally betray your cause?
A rally serves to show the presence and power of a GROUP.
Let those who are on the fence see something they can agree with.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-16-2013, 03:40
Hmmm...... How many of these do we need....?
rustycrusty
01-16-2013, 03:43
My fear is this cannot be posted enough times in enough places
JM Ver. 2.0
01-16-2013, 03:51
Uh huh.....
GilpinGuy
01-16-2013, 04:18
Man, I'm going to dress like I normally dress and carry like I normally carry. Nothing new there just because the "TV's" are going to be there.
And if you think your own mouth will make us all look bad, then STFU and just walk on by when you are confronted by one the "leftist" media. In fact, I think its probably be best if all of us just ignore the leftist media during this event. They will just twist anything you say to fit their agenda anyway, so "No comment" should be the most spoken words of the day, IMHO.
Trying to get on a high horse will only look bad on the "news".
The media and and the leftists infiltrators will try to make us look like rednecks, bafoons, extremists, racists, etc. They'll take any statement out of context and focus on the inevitable "that guy" that shows up (even if he's really a plant). I heard some jackass on TV point out that this was two days before the inaugeration and one day before Martin Luthor king day implying that every gun owner is a racist. I doubtful that we see anything like impartial coverage.
That said, please don't make it easy for them. I expect counter protests and agitators to try to incite violence. Please don't play into their hands.
jerrymrc
01-16-2013, 06:28
My fear is this cannot be posted enough times in enough places
Just fixed your fear. [panic] Merged.
Just want to ask if we brought a Molon Labe or Gadsden flag if that would that be ok? Don't want to fed the medias negative image of gun owners either.
islandermyk
01-16-2013, 07:29
bring a sh*t load of spent/empty brass with me.
... and here's what I'll explain when asked why...
1) I went through 15,000+ rounds last year and none of these killed anyone.
2) Imagine how many jobs are out there I supported with these rounds.
3) These weren't used for any sort of protection from anything.
... this all I can really think of for now...
what do you guys think?
stoner01
01-16-2013, 15:38
Thanks, but get your ass on a plane and be here. Thats an order ish.
Ill send my HH6 instead [word]
hurley842002
01-16-2013, 18:00
Sure wish I could attend, it's a great day for this event (my b-day), unfortunately I'll be working :banghead: hopefully many will attend, and nobody will act a fool.
AK47 Ranger
01-16-2013, 19:10
Myself and a few buddies will be there as well
bring a sh*t load of spent/empty brass with me.
... and here's what I'll explain when asked why...
You should bring it - and sell it all to me. Cheap.
islandermyk
01-16-2013, 20:37
You should bring it - and sell it all to me. Cheap.
7.62X51?!? I got a bucket full....
berdan primed though [Coffee]
Rollingmenace
01-17-2013, 10:39
The guns across America colorado group is running a car pool from Colorado Springs .. Meeting at the woodmen park and ride leaving NLT 945 am...
CrufflerSteve
01-17-2013, 10:57
I'll be getting on I-25 at Happy Canyon. There a good place to park off road there. If anybody want to share a ride PM me. I figure I'll have to pay to park so might as well save money.
7.62X51?!? I got a bucket full....
YEAH!!
berdan primed though [Coffee]
doh!
jreifsch80
01-17-2013, 11:09
7.62X51?!? I got a bucket full....
berdan primed though [Coffee]
i keep telling myself i'll convert some berdan primed 8mm brass to boxer just for the fun of it lol
two shoes
01-17-2013, 11:44
Will bring 2 of 3 kids... My 10 year old has a birthday party to go to. Wife says I cannot give him the following ultimatum: "You can go to Denver and help fight for your God given rights your government is trying to take from you, practically ensuring your slavery to a tyrannic dictator in your life time, or go to this little birthday party ..." I'll let him decide...
Looks like 3 out of 3 kids will be going. 10 year old decided (without coercion) that he'd rather "support my gun rights"... So proud!
blacklabel
01-17-2013, 12:30
Here's the organizers stance on firearms at the march:
Spent an hour with two of the top cops this morning from the CHP. There is absolutely no guns allowed on state property. You will be arrested and I want you to know we are backing the police on this one. I know you have rights, but this is the law. And isn't that part of what we are conveying here? That we are law abiding citizens? Of course it is. So please, DONT BRING A GUN ON THE PROPERTY. DENVER PD also does not take kindly to this so I am asking you to use good judgement and common sense. We will have families with children there. I can assure you of this, there are other measures in place to protect the lives of everyone there. Next page DD
blacklabel
01-17-2013, 12:49
More to add:
Now, more on the media. I will be everywhere there. I want you to program my phone number into your phone 719 200 6797 (not for you infiltrators though). If you see the media trying to engage somebody, call me. Before you call determine where you. Example, I am in the southwest corner, back side. This way I know where to go. If you are approached by the media and decide you want to talk remember this. Remain calm no matter what they say to you. Pause and think a minute before you speak. "will this hurt our agenda" If yes, don't say it. DD
Here's the organizers stance on firearms at the march:
I was just about to post that... can we get clarity on this? I'd rather not spend more than .5 seconds anywhere in Denver unarmed (CSP presence notwithstanding)... I was under the impression that CCW was legal anywhere outdoors that it is not posted otherwise, and prohibited in controlled (guard/detector) and government areas... Just want to be sure...
blacklabel
01-17-2013, 12:57
I think he's pretty straight forward about it.
DONT BRING A GUN ON THE PROPERTY.
CrufflerSteve
01-17-2013, 13:07
I suppose if you won't go with CCW you can follow it from across the street. I can understand their not wanting to turn it into a confrontation. Personally, I wish they could have a found a place noticeable with CCW allowed.
I think he's pretty straight forward about it.
But that is a clear and direct contradiction to CRS concerning Concealed Carry laws. It says nothing of prohibitions to CCW on state property- it does state controlled access (again metal detectors/guards/signs) it is illegal. It is also illegal to carry inside gov buildings. BUT it is NOT illegal in the context of what that organizer posted- and I just read through Title 18, Article 12- OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS, again and it says nothing of concealed carry being prohibited on State property, only within government buildings.
blacklabel
01-17-2013, 13:14
But that is a clear and direct contradiction to CRS concerning Concealed Carry laws. It says nothing of prohibitions to CCW on state property- it does state controlled access (again metal detectors/guards/signs) it is illegal. It is also illegal to carry inside gov buildings. BUT it is NOT illegal in the context of what that organizer posted- and I just read through Title 18, Article 12- OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS, again and it says nothing of concealed carry being prohibited on State property, only within government buildings.
I'm not trying to argue the statute. I agree with you there. I'm just trying to relay what's been posted on Facebook for those that aren't following there.
Here, for your reading pleasure...
18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions
(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.
(b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.
(2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:
(a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;
(b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty;
(c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.
(4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:
(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;
(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and
(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.
(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.
(6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=95a9a102ca4d1e06ffbfa9b3ab01b5c3&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-214%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-209&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzV-zSkAb&_md5=beb27c97d714e62c485ea4954c3f1924).
blacklabel
01-17-2013, 13:18
Here, for your reading pleasure...
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Yeah, I've read it dozens of times. Like I said, I agree with you but apparently CHP is going to be arresting those that bring a firearm onto state property. I'm not saying it's right but want those of us that are attending to have an idea of what to expect.
Yeah, I've read it dozens of times. Like I said, I agree with you but apparently CHP is going to be arresting those that bring a firearm onto state property. I'm not saying it's right but want those of us that are attending to have an idea of what to expect.
Well then CHP is going to be opening themselves up for a lot of litigation, because by arresting folks for legal concealed carry is not lawful under CRS.
funkymonkey1111
01-17-2013, 14:02
as an aside, crowd-wise--this is the last weekend for the Van Gogh exhibit at the DAM, which is a couple of blocks away from the capitol. Also, the sportsman's show is at the convention center--so it'll be busy downtown regardless of the protest
obisean68
01-17-2013, 14:36
I just called CSP and was told that it is illegal to CCW on capitol property, but they could not give me the CRS stating so.
SA Friday
01-17-2013, 14:39
Anyone wants a ride from Castle Rock to Auraria Campus and back, let me know.
Uberjager
01-17-2013, 14:57
It's good to see this thread picking up steam. I hope we can get 50 from here!
Where will we protest on the Capitol?
I just called CSP and was told that it is illegal to CCW on capitol property, but they could not give me the CRS stating so.
See what I posted above... It states inside government buildings, but the grounds outside is fair game. I think a quick call to my neighbor here who's an attorney could clear it up, maybe.
obisean68
01-17-2013, 15:06
See what I posted above... It states inside government buildings, but the grounds outside is fair game. I think a quick call to my neighbor here who's an attorney could clear it up, maybe.
To clarify my previous post, the CSP said CCW on the grounds, not just the building itself, was illegal.
ghettodub
01-17-2013, 15:40
Thanks, and please post up what you hear back on carrying.
Okay, a few questions... I believe the air has been cleared and it's legal to CCW, but the organizers are now stating that they would prefer if people did not CCW. So out of everyone who is going, that has a permit, who is going to be CCW and who will not? I'm on the fence here, they're acting like they don't want to stir up any trouble and risk anything, but on the other hand, I don't feel comfortable ever going to Denver without my EDC on my person. There are going to be cops everywhere, but going back to what's been said on here, cops are not there to protect you, their job usually is going on after a crime has been committed. Besides, isn't an armed society a polite society?
This is one instance in which I think the CCW will stay home.
Okay, a few questions... I believe the air has been cleared and it's legal to CCW, but the organizers are now stating that they would prefer if people did not CCW. So out of everyone who is going, that has a permit, who is going to be CCW and who will not? I'm on the fence here, they're acting like they don't want to stir up any trouble and risk anything, but on the other hand, I don't feel comfortable ever going to Denver without my EDC on my person. There are going to be cops everywhere, but going back to what's been said on here, cops are not there to protect you, their job usually is going on after a crime has been committed. Besides, isn't an armed society a polite society?
Keep calm, carry on.
but seriously, you are not going to catch me in that armpit without my carry gun. Concealed means concealed an nobody needs to know.
blacklabel
01-17-2013, 16:31
I wont' be.
concealed is concealed.
You think they are going to be doing spot checks. Doubt it.
ghettodub
01-17-2013, 17:05
Unless I hear something definative about it somehow not being legal, I will be carrying. Whenever I go to Denver, I carry. I also take the lightrail, and then will ride the shuttle up and walk over, so that much time around the weirdos around 16th street? Yeah I'm carrying. And it's concealed, and I don't plan on anyone seeing it. If I get there and see something about it being illegal and they have metal detectors, then I leave.
This is all I can go by:
Spent an hour with two of the top cops this morning from the CHP. There is absolutely no guns allowed on state property. You will be arrested and I want you to know we are backing the police on this one. I know you have rights, but this is the law. And isn't that part of what we are conveying here? That we are law abiding citizens? Of course it is. So please, DONT BRING A GUN ON THE PROPERTY. DENVER PD also does not take kindly to this so I am asking you to use good judgement and common sense. We will have families with children there. I can assure you of this, there are other measures in place to protect the lives of everyone there. Next page DD
While we all know that "concealed means concealed"... the fact that they are trying to make Civic Center Park a temporary gun-free zone during the time of the rally leads me to believe that they will try and somehow enforce that (meaning wands). I just wish ANYBODY out there could find a statute that supports the park being a gun-free zone... thus making it illegal for concealed carry there. Nobody is willing to do that... which just tells me they want to temporarily make this an enforced gun-free zone.
I haven't seen the air cleared yet. All I have seen from the organizer is them telling attendees that it is a gun-free zone PERIOD! But nobody is willing to list the statute that supports the claim that the Civic City Park, adjacent to the capitol, is in fact a gun-free zone. I'll support the rally from a few blocks away (carrying) unless someone can clearly state it is illegal to conceal carry there and show the statute that backs up that claim. My fear, since it has not been explicitly cited, is that the LEO will have metal detecting wands there and will try and enforce an imaginary gun-free zone there. I will not get close to the park unless someone can clearly show a statute that states, in fact, that Civic Center Park is an enforced gun-free zone or not. Nobody seems willing to offer up that little tid-bit of information.
I'll post again without the quote for clarity:
Originally Posted by CRS Title 18, Article 12, 214
18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions
(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.
(b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.
(2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:
(a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;
(b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty;
(c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.
(4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:
(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;
(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and
(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.
(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.
(6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=95a9a102ca4d1e06ffbfa9b3ab01b5c3&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-214%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-209&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzV-zSkAb&_md5=beb27c97d714e62c485ea4954c3f1924).
Been doing a lot of reading on the CRS the past few weeks and this is all I've seen relating to this rally.
Aloha_Shooter
01-17-2013, 19:50
I may be going now that my Scout campout has been postponed but my CCW is staying home. The organizers have asked you not to bring any firearms. Firmly standing up for your rights under YOUR understanding of the CRS can backfire on the rest of us in terms of the scene it creates and public opinion so if you can't respect the organizers' request then support the rally from across the street or on the Internet.
So is it at the Capitol or across the street at the park?
I'm so confused.
Just a question. What about "open" carry of an empty holster? Maybe a symbolic protest of sorts. Wife had her knee replaced and goes home tomorrow, trying to get a "sitter" so I can make it.
gnihcraes
01-17-2013, 21:02
Interesting, I carried all over the state capitol grounds (outside) a while back, no issue. No warning signs during one of the Denver events in the civic center parks. I read the law as "schools" and any "building" access with metal detectors etc at the entrances.
stevelkinevil
01-17-2013, 21:15
all this "gun free zone" BS is turning me off. I went to the last loosely organized one and my CCW was on board, Me and some others got some uncomfortable stares from CSP. I really hate that #1 the state and city are attempting a BS temporary and frankly illegal gun free zone, #2 I hate the bullying the PDs are engaging in here. #3 I hate that the organizers are bowing to it. I dont think I can get down with this any longer, I will have my young sons with me and I'll be damned if I am going to a fish in a barrel zone with my boys.
gnihcraes
01-17-2013, 21:17
all this "gun free zone" BS is turning me off. I went to the last loosely organized one and my CCW was on board, Me and some others got some uncomfortable stares from CSP. I really hate that #1 the state and city are attempting a BS temporary and frankly illegal gun free zone, #2 I hate the bullying the PDs are engaging in here. #3 I hate that the organizers are bowing to it. I dont think I can get down with this any longer, I will have my young sons with me and I'll be damned if I am going to a fish in a barrel zone with my boys.
So you're going right?
I am. I believe they are trying to keep the Open Carry folks from making a scene.
Limited GM
01-17-2013, 21:36
DON'T OPEN CARRY AT THE RALLY
DON'T BE 'THAT GUY' ON THE NEWS
YOU SPEAK FOR ALL OF US
YOUR WORDS WILL BE MANIPULATED AND TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT
DRESS RESPECTABLY
NO CAMO
how will you feel if you accidentally betray your cause?
A rally serves to show the presence and power of a GROUP.
Let those who are on the fence see something they can agree with.
Agreed.
spittoon
01-17-2013, 21:40
So is it at the Capitol or across the street at the park?
I'm so confused.
are we going to meet if so where?
all this "gun free zone" BS is turning me off. I went to the last loosely organized one and my CCW was on board, Me and some others got some uncomfortable stares from CSP. I really hate that #1 the state and city are attempting a BS temporary and frankly illegal gun free zone, #2 I hate the bullying the PDs are engaging in here. #3 I hate that the organizers are bowing to it. I dont think I can get down with this any longer, I will have my young sons with me and I'll be damned if I am going to a fish in a barrel zone with my boys.
I can't agree any more with these points. First off- we're fighting for our 2nd Amendment rights, yet we curtail them because of one false statement? I read the whole unfolding of events on FB today from the first post about not bringing guns (the organizer got false information from a CSP officer) because it was illegal, to the correction and their "request" that people not show up armed. I understand that they don't want guns there in case someone does something stupid. Totally get that, but wouldn't it be even less likely if there were 50-70% of the attendees legally exercising their right to concealed carry? Stevel said it perfectly well, just because a few LEOs don't want a mass of armed individuals around doesn't excuse them going around the state law on legal carry. Wouldn't it also be more beneficial to our cause and message if we showed we can assemble peacefully while armed? That would fly right in the face of the anti's bullshit argument that more guns = more crimes. I refuse to disarm simply because these organizers want to be spineless cowards and if that makes me not welcome, fine, I'll observe and support from across the street or something...
Wouldn't it also be more beneficial to our cause and message if we showed we can assemble peacefully while armed?
Theoretically, yes. But all it would take is one tiny mistake in the crowd to do a great deal of harm to the intended cause of the rally.
Uberjager
01-17-2013, 22:46
Didn't know this was going to be held at Civic Center Park. I'll probably park in one of the areas Irving posted. What should our meetup spot be? I see quite a few of us will be parking by Auraria. Maybe we could meet by the Starbucks on the SW Corner of Kalamath and Colfax at like 11:30.
Didn't know this was going to be held at Civic Center Park. I'll probably park in one of the areas Irving posted. What should our meetup spot be? I see quite a few of us will be parking by Auraria. Maybe we could meet by the Starbucks on the SW Corner of Kalamath and Colfax at like 11:30.
I'd be open for that- finally get to use my Starbucks gift card that I never use (I brew my own coffee- insert Pulp Fiction monologue here)... But doubtful I could walk in all the way with you guys, I'm standing on principal and will be CCing... [gohome]
XC700116
01-17-2013, 23:01
I'm a bit T'd off about the idea as well and have been searching for the statute and this is the only thing I can find. I however can't find a concrete answer if a permit is legal authority or not. But the way I'm reading it right now is that it wouldn't be illegal because of 2.c am I wrong in that?
TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE
ARTICLE 12. OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS
PART 1. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS - GENERAL
C.R.S. 18-12-105 (2012)
18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons
(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or
(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.
(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1, 1993.)
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or
(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-105.1&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=e52f9b7e3afbb119d4cfd3f61a009d5d), as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=3&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-214&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=065b88b71909d48237db1a62397ddad6); or
(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=4&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2016-2.5-101&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=5746a7e2da35ae3a7b721a87b27f0726), C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2) (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=5&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2016-2.5-101&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=a1c1bc6fc7141ec9d9d0a8cfedf8938f), C.R.S.; or
(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6, 2003.)
(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.
HISTORY: Source: L. 71: R&RE, p. 482, § 1. C.R.S. 1963: § 40-12-105.L. 73: p. 683, § 3.L. 77: (2)(c) amended and (2)(d) added, p. 976, § 8, effective July 1.L. 81: (2)(c) amended, p. 1437, § 3, effective June 8.L. 86: (2)(d) amended and (2)(e) added, p. 774, § 2, effective July 1.L. 89: (1)(d) added, p. 911, § 1, effective April 15.L. 93: Entire section amended, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1.L. 94: (2)(e) amended and (2)(f) added, p. 647, § 1, effective July 1.L. 2000: IP(2) amended, p. 1009, § 1, effective August 2.L. 2003: (2)(c) amended, p. 648, § 3, effective May 17; (2)(d) and (2)(e) amended, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6.
Cross references: For affirmative defenses generally, see § § 18-1-407 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=6&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-1-407&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=ddaf6c8309695bdda040cfe96dee4542), 18-1-710 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=7&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-1-710&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=7451e792e7b24735c34f8dce0699ce6c), and 18-1-805 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=8&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-1-805&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=925ec55fa7375bcee7fba0783bff97d6).
ANNOTATION
Recognition of § 13 of art. II, Colo. Const. (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=9&_butInline=1&_butinfo=CO%20CONST%20II%2013&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=23c201c79be1a7723ac5532beac28871) Section 13 of art. II, Colo. Const. (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=10&_butInline=1&_butinfo=CO%20CONST%20II%2013&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=23a6aa49f4ba2f0cfc7f4d685fbbf2d5), has limiting language dealing with defense of home, person, and property. These limitations have been recognized by the general assembly in the enactment of this section, which restricts the right to bear arms in certain circumstances, while permitting in other circumstances the carrying of a concealed weapon in defense of home, person, and property, and also when specifically authorized by written permit. People v. Blue, 190 Colo. 95, 544 P.2d 385 (1975).
The words "about the person" means sufficiently close to the person to be readily accessible for immediate use. People in Interest of R.J.A., 38 Colo. App. 346, 556 P.2d 491 (1976).
"Concealed" means placed out of sight so as not to be discernible or apparent by ordinary observation. People ex rel. O.R., 220 P.3d 949 (Colo. App. 2008).
The scope of subsection (2)(b) is clarified in § 18-12-105.6 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=14&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-105.6&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=7d8e8ca3d8b7930b60e90cbcd9ecc320), which indicates the general assembly's intent that local ordinances on carrying weapons in private vehicles be preempted only insofar as they conflict with the provisions of § 18-12-105.6 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=6a99ebcff79fa258fe338b71c636dbb8&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=15&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-105.6&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=2&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzV-zSkAz&_md5=a15378121ca0ad47b70879d7668492be). Trinen v. City & County of Denver, 53 P.3d 754 (Colo. App. 2002).
The local ordinance concerning carrying a weapon in a private vehicle is not preempted since it can be harmonized with subsection (2)(b). Trinen v. City & County of Denver, 53 P.3d 754 (Colo. App. 2002).
Pistol tucked under edge of car seat. Where uncontested evidence established that pistol was tucked under the edge of a car seat on which petitioner was sitting, where it was within his easy reach, these circumstances constitute carrying a "firearm concealed on or about his person". People in Interest of R.J.A., 38 Colo. App. 346, 556 P.2d 491 (1976).
Question of whether weapon is concealed is question of fact for the jury which should not be summarily determined by the trial judge at the time that he rules on the defendant's motion to suppress. People v. Vincent, 628 P.2d 107 (Colo. 1981).
Former subsection (2)(c) did not confer power to issue permits for carrying concealed weapons to police chiefs and sheriffs. Douglass v. Kelton, 199 Colo. 446, 610 P.2d 1067 (1980).
Person receiving permit to carry concealed weapon cannot be convicted. Once a person receives a permit to carry a concealed weapon in a county or city, he may not be convicted under subsection (2)(c). Douglass v. Kelton, 199 Colo. 446, 610 P.2d 1067 (1980).
Statute as basis for jurisdiction. See People v. Pickett, 194 Colo. 178, 571 P.2d 1078 (1977).
Defendant could not be convicted of carrying a concealed weapon without the prosecution proving that defendant intended to use this short-bladed knife as a weapon. While the characteristics of an instrument may be an important factor in determining the intended purpose of an instrument, the language of the concealed weapons statute and established precedent establishes that a knife's design does not, by itself, prove that the person carrying it intended to use it as a weapon. A.P.E. v. People, 20 P.3d 1179 (Colo. 2001).
Applied in People v. Velasquez, 641 P.2d 943 (Colo. 1982); People v. Deschamp, 662 P.2d 171 (Colo. 1983).
Either way I'll probably still go and not carry just to avoid the BS, but I'm not liking the idea in the least bit. It just doesn't seem right to me, but I'm not about to push my luck on it since I'm not a lawyer either. At this point I'm more curious to know for sure than anything.
Uberjager
01-17-2013, 23:01
I'd be open for that- finally get to use my Starbucks gift card that I never use (I brew my own coffee- insert Pulp Fiction monologue here)... But doubtful I could walk in all the way with you guys, I'm standing on principal and will be CCing... [gohome]
Unless you're packing a Pfeifer Zeliska revolver, you'll be good to go.
Aloha_Shooter
01-17-2013, 23:04
If you're CCing, just how would John Q. Public know you're carrying? Or more to the point, just how would they know you aren't exercising your right as you see it? The stickling point on not wanting to attend if you can't carry just .. doesn't make sense since they wouldn't know you aren't carrying. I'm not excited about being in Denver at all but this rally is important and it's equally important there not be a single picture or incident for the antis to misuse.
I am going - and I am carrying (concealed).
If DPD or CSP decides they want to do something about it I'll leave - or video tape the encounter and deal with it later.
I don't get it. We're going to exercise our 1st Amendment rights, but we're going to be intimidated out of our 2nd Amendment rights? My CCW is not "in public".
I'm going to the park, not the capitol grounds.
don't forget to leave your porn, drugs, pitbulls, 44oz drinks, and mistresses (and cigars) and hi-cal BK Whoppers at home too. no drinking from the toilets and stay out of the trash cans. LOL!
DavieD55
01-18-2013, 02:15
DON'T OPEN CARRY AT THE RALLY
DON'T BE 'THAT GUY' ON THE NEWS
YOU SPEAK FOR ALL OF US
YOUR WORDS WILL BE MANIPULATED AND TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT
DRESS RESPECTABLY
NO CAMO
how will you feel if you accidentally betray your cause?
A rally serves to show the presence and power of a GROUP.
Let those who are on the fence see something they can agree with.
This^^^^
Dress and conduct yourselves like businessmen. ESP dont talk to the media. The media will try to turn us 2nd supports into a bunch of goons. The way the Public perceives us is important.
Jefe's AR
01-18-2013, 02:19
I'm not too pleased with the lack of 'transparency' as well. But...
Listen, he organized it but it's not his so to speak. This is a National protest. If you want to CCW be careful as you approach. If it seems like not such a good idea then back off and put your ccw in your locked car, if you're comfortable with that, or just support form a distance. If you're comfortable leaving your CCW at home then do so. What do you do when you go out and get drunk with your friends? Leave it at home I hope. What's important is we are seen in LARGE numbers. Large numbers scare politicians. It shows unity. Let's argue about it after the protest. Sometimes it's ok to set your ideals aside while working towards a common goal that we all agree about. LARGE numbers without and 'incident' would be the best scenario we can hope for. If you feel it may be dangerous then leave the kids and wife at home. We're men. We can face danger. Together. It's what we do. :P
Jefe's AR
01-18-2013, 02:20
This^^^^
Dress and conduct yourselves like businessmen. ESP dont talk to the media.
x2
Wow. Way to give up so easily. Pathetic. If they made guns Illegal would you give those up too?
BPTactical
01-18-2013, 07:58
I may be going now that my Scout campout has been postponed but my CCW is staying home. The organizers have asked you not to bring any firearms. Firmly standing up for your rights under YOUR understanding of the CRS can backfire on the rest of us in terms of the scene it creates and public opinion so if you can't respect the organizers' request then support the rally from across the street or on the Internet.
Wisedom
With our rights come responsibility
blacklabel
01-18-2013, 07:59
Wow, the way that the organizer has conducted himself since announcing that firearms were not welcome at the rally has certainly put me off.
This^^^^
Dress and conduct yourselves like businessmen. ESP dont talk to the media. The media will try to turn us 2nd supports into a bunch of goons. The way the Public perceives us is important.I plan on being there and not speaking to anyone. As far as clothes the only thing I have to were are jeans and a shirt as I have no idea were my dress clothes are. I am not making any signs and will not commit to any media. Any advice would be appreciated as this would be my first rally and it is important. Thanks
What do you do when you go out and get drunk with your friends?
I'm the sober one that's packing so I can watch out for my friends.
I'm the sober one that's packing so I can watch out for my friends.
Yep! My wife and I have a pact... that if one of us wants to drink that night, they'll leave their piece locked up at home while the other one carries. That way someone is always sober and carrying. If we both want to drink, we'll make a nice dinner and have some drinks at home.
I can understand him being worried about irresponsible owners, but the way he tries to make all of those with a permit seem irresponsible (and he hopes they get arrested). I don't understand that mentality.
Is this thing tomorrow going to be a kegger or something? [Beer]
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 10:41
All the bickering on that Facebook page is kinda putting me off of the whole event, and makes me a little concerned about going.
This is of course a heated issue, and one that people are passionate about on both sides. The fact that so many people from one side are arguing, along with how dumb some people are. Then multiply that by how many people are going to be there, and pack them downtown which sucks, and then add in some people on the other side of the fence... eh, I'm starting to think I may attend this event from across the street so I can stay out of the mess of people, and have my CCW on me with no worries... Maybe I'm getting more paranoid in my old age, but taking all those factors, and the thought of not carrying? Not sure how comfortable I feel with it...
I know they were planning on introducing me, but I'm not sure what to do now...
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 10:52
I know a few other people posted about meeting up beforehand at Starbucks or something, but is anyone going to do that? Maybe us across the street folks could meet up beforehand.
I'd be up for meeting across the streeters. I'm curious... if assembling outside of the area for which an assembly permit is held would be considered unlawful assembly? I'm not up on THOSE laws so I'm not sure. I'd say just be prepared for LEOs to say "hi" and probably suggest joining the crowd or moving on.
I'd say being on a side of the street that has restaurants or businesses wouldn't be too bad of an idea... just in case stuff gets out of hand and sh!t goes down... it would give a place to retreat back to and find cover.
islandermyk
01-18-2013, 11:09
friendly reminder.
Don't forget to charge those phones and cameras/camcorders up. [Beer]
two shoes
01-18-2013, 11:15
So now they are citing title 18-12-105- SUBSECTION C which states:
§ 18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons
(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or
(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.
(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1, 1993.)
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or
(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or
(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101(2), C.R.S.; or
(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6, 2003.)
(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States
HBARleatherneck
01-18-2013, 11:18
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So now they are citing title 18-12-105- SUBSECTION C which states:
§ 18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons
(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or
(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.
(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1, 1993.)
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or
(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or
(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101(2), C.R.S.; or
(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6, 2003.)
(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States
Well I think they were referring to 18-12-105 section 1 subsection C which states:
A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully: Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.
But the part I don't like is they are purposefully leaving out section 2, subsection C which sates (as you highlighted):
It shall not be an offense if the defendant was: A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214;
I'm just immensely surprised and disappointed they are handling it the way they are. I won't let it stop me from going... we all need to be there if we can. But I will let it stop me from going into the park. If they are willing to twist and bend the law to try and get good, law-abiding citizens arrested... I want NO part of that. I'll stand across the street near a restaurant with a restroom.
HBARleatherneck
01-18-2013, 11:31
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two shoes
01-18-2013, 11:32
To me the LEGAL AUTHORITY is recognized by my permit, as granted by my Creator. Zero chance of going to Denver with my family unarmed. ZERO. So CSP will provide for our safety and protection? Anyone else see the fucking irony in this???
Just a word of caution, we don't want to give the press any form of controversial story that they can run with. Meaning that if a bunch of you show up with guns in violation of local laws, that is all the press will cover. Law breakers will be the headline and the purpose of the rally will never be covered.
Do what you want... but clown acts will hurt our cause.
The whole situation stinks. I believe if we let them make up false laws then they will continue to do so. There has to be a way to call them on their bullshit. BTW I went to the airport yesterday and since I was carrying I stayed outside. I broke no laws even though I was on airport "land".
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 11:48
I don't think any of us are talking about showing up with guns in violation of local laws; i'm not sure why that keeps being brought up here, and on facebook. I think people have just been trying to clarify if there are any restrictions about carrying by the capitol, and some of us who want to exercise our right to carry are choosing to hang out away from the event to not cause any conflict, and remove the possibility of us being involved in any conflict.
Really I don't care if you think you are in violation of local laws or not. In the PR PUBLIC RELATIONS sense, you don't ever want to give your enemies an easy way of demonizing you. Don't act like a clown and please ask anyone who is acting like a clown to stop making all those who fight for 2nd amendment freedom look bad. Always think about how things can be taken out of context and blown up into a sound bite. No one cares about the 99% of other good people or good things said if 1% F it up.
JMBD2112
01-18-2013, 12:13
I'm going but I won't be able to get there till around 13:00. I think I will leave my carry in the car though. I'm excited to see what kind of turn out we will produce, See you guys tomorrow!
Jefe's AR
01-18-2013, 12:16
FYI, I plan on carrying and following my own advice.
What I'm attempting to do is to get YOU there. Don put this together but it's NOT his idea or HIS protest. It's OUR protest. I'm thankful for Don to step up and try to organize US. If you don't agree with him that's fine. He DOESN'T control you or I. Do as you please. But PLEASE show up. DON'T talk to the media. DON'T harass or talk to the 'other side'. Let's show UNITY for three hours of ONE day. This is so important.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they have set up a chain link fence w/ barb wire to corral us in for our 'protection'. Much like the free speech zone during the debates earlier this year. Which would likely mean a metal detector to enter. Which could legally keep you from carrying inside this free speech zone. I don't like it. But it may happen. Be fore warned. Be ready. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
I'm not taking sides here. I'm wich you./inmybeststevemartingangstervoice. I don't like it but it's so important we get a LARGE, PEACEFUL crowd in UNITY.
Jefe's AR
01-18-2013, 12:19
BTW, I was the one who pointed out last week that the law that was copy and pasted to the page was an Alabama law not Colorado law. I agree it's fishy but don't let this detail derail our efforts to make OUR voices heard by OUR politicians on Saturday.
Please, I beg you, show up.
If they do decide to put up a fence and do the detector thing - remember your knives are off limits in Denver as well. Your permit doesn't cover those. This has been tested by the courts and the law won.
blacklabel
01-18-2013, 12:30
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they have set up a chain link fence w/ barb wire to corral us in for our 'protection'. Much like the free speech zone during the debates earlier this year. Which would likely mean a metal detector to enter. Which could legally keep you from carrying inside this free speech zone. I don't like it. But it may happen. Be fore warned. Be ready. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Is there a serious chance of this? I have reservations about being herded into a fenced in area.
Do the politicians work on Saturday?
To me the LEGAL AUTHORITY is recognized by my permit, as granted by my Creator. Zero chance of going to Denver with my family unarmed. ZERO. So CSP will provide for our safety and protection? Anyone else see the fucking irony in this???
I do not go anywhere in the Denver Metro Area (yes, even Littleton) without my carry piece. That's the thing, you never know. And to clarify two shoes' point- Police do not carry guns to protect YOU, they carry them for their own protection, they are not paid to be your armed security, they are law enforcement officers. Sure by duty they will engage and detain a criminal that is trying to hurt you, but they're not always able to stop the criminal until it's too late.
I know a few other people posted about meeting up beforehand at Starbucks or something, but is anyone going to do that? Maybe us across the street folks could meet up beforehand.
I'm up for meeting somewhere... I might park over off of Grant St and 13th. I'll be apart of the across the street folks, I'm keeping my EDC on my person... period.
I'd be up for meeting across the streeters. I'm curious... if assembling outside of the area for which an assembly permit is held would be considered unlawful assembly? I'm not up on THOSE laws so I'm not sure. I'd say just be prepared for LEOs to say "hi" and probably suggest joining the crowd or moving on.
I'd say being on a side of the street that has restaurants or businesses wouldn't be too bad of an idea... just in case stuff gets out of hand and sh!t goes down... it would give a place to retreat back to and find cover.
We should probably be on the south end of the park- there's a Tokyo Joe's, Quizno's and Wings place right off Grant between 14th and 13th... But I'd be up for meeting somewhere for sure.
Jefe's AR
01-18-2013, 12:37
Is there a serious chance of this? I have reservations about being herded into a fenced in area.
I don't know. I can tell you that they did something similar for the debates. As I stated, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I don't want to by 'that guy' by predicting doom and gloom only to have it not happen. So, it's possible but I don't know for sure. I have no idea if it will happen, only that it could. Don't go spreading what I said could happen as fact. If it does exist when you arrive don't go in. You, or I, don't have to enter and we can still be present near and around the protest.
I'm merely trying to prepare you and us for the possibility. If you showed up w/ no fore warning you'd likely be very pissed off seeing something of this sort. If you go in expecting something like this you'll already have a plan in place to deal with it. No surprises.
Jefe's AR
01-18-2013, 12:38
Do the politicians work on Saturday?
I've pondered this dilemma since the announcement. If they don't the media does. Trust me, they are paying attention whether they acknowledge it or not.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they have set up a chain link fence w/ barb wire to corral us in for our 'protection'. Much like the free speech zone during the debates earlier this year. Which would likely mean a metal detector to enter. Which could legally keep you from carrying inside this free speech zone. I don't like it. But it may happen.
I'm not willingly going into a cage unarmed.
Is this a demonstration for our rights or are we just making things easy for those that want to put us in a cage in order to exercise our 1st Amendment rights that some don't agree with?
I'm really losing sight of what the goal was here.
I can understand no open carry or 'looking like a redneck' (like that's a bad thing)....but this is nuts.
Jefe's AR
01-18-2013, 12:43
I'm not willingly going into a cage unarmed.
Is this a demonstration for our rights or are we just making things easy for those that want to put us in a cage in order to exercise our 1st Amendment rights that some don't agree with?
I'm really losing sight of what the goal was here.
I can understand no open carry or 'looking like a redneck' (like that's a bad thing)....but this is nuts.
The sky is NOT falling. I said it MAY happen, not that is WILL happen. Just be prepared. Again, please don't go spreading an internet 'rumor' as fact. It's a possibility, not a certainty. I just want YOU to be prepared for the worst case scenario. If it is there, don't go in. It's not required and you are FREE to do as YOU please within the laws of Denver and Colorado.
I'm beginning to regret mentioning it. I just don't want you to be surprised when you show up and it's there. That will set a lot of people off, especially if they are not expecting it.
If it happens, it happens, and people will make up their own minds. By mentioning it...that's how rumors get started.
I'm planning on being there...with my Glock 36...as is my legal right. I don't really give a rat's ass about someone's wishy-washy idea of changing my behavior for their wishes. Set expectations to not look like a bunch of back-woods yahoos and then let everyone be an adult about the rest of it. If you happen to be an honest-to-God back-woods yahoo, then be yourself.
I really thought the comment about coming unarmed because there were families and children present was BS. If you're a man responsible for your family and children, do what you need to do. It's that kind of thinking that got us here, IMNSHO.
HBARleatherneck
01-18-2013, 12:51
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I don't think many people have said they are not going. I know them turning this into a temporary gun-free zone is making some people second-guess going... but it sounds like, for the most part, those of us who will be carrying will be standing across the street FROM the park... not IN the park. I think everyone should still go. I'm still going.
Don't stand on the capitol side of the street. [fail]
I don't have Facebook, so I'm discussing what's been posted there...here. Sorry if that makes some folks uneasy, but I'm getting mixed signals from "the organizer", and I don't think I'm alone in that regard.
I think we're on the same page. Don't do what you're going to do because of what some jackass on a forum says.
...including me.
I'll be standing SOUTH of W 14th... over by the art museum... at least until someone comes along and says to mosey on. They've got a couple of restaurants over there and some restrooms. I probably won't be there for the whole three hours... I don't think they'll let us stand across the street for 3 hours. But I'll be there at least for a little bit to get a view of the crowd, take some pics and show my support.
BPTactical
01-18-2013, 13:20
I just got off of the phone with Don, the organizer about the possibility of speaking. He said it is doubtful as they have a full schedule.
He also said this thing has gone huge, much more than he ever expected.
So where is the speaking stage going to be?
Correct me if I'm wrong but metal detectors are only legal in regards to ccw if they are perminantly installed.
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 14:24
Where do you want to meet, Ronin? Or anyone else?
blacklabel
01-18-2013, 14:27
Where do you want to meet, Ronin? Or anyone else?
A few of us are meeting in the Cherry parking lot on the Auraria campus.
islandermyk
01-18-2013, 14:29
I just got off of the phone with Don, the organizer about the possibility of speaking. He said it is doubtful as they have a full schedule.
He also said this thing has gone huge, much more than he ever expected.
I'd hit the like button if there was one on here... but I think this one is better [Awesom]
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 14:38
A few of us are meeting in the Cherry parking lot on the Auraria campus.
Auraria is a bit far down. I'm planning on taking the lightrail to 16th and California. There's a Starbucks at Republic Plaza over at 16th and Tremont I was gonna grab something to drink at, around 1130.
Here's my cell if anyone wants to hit me up when you're down there: 7203412524
I will be part of the across the street group.
- Brandon
Jefe's AR
01-18-2013, 15:37
Looks like my wife will be dropping me off and picking me up. I will have room for a couple of more peeps especially if you're willing to sit in the back of Lexus RX350/SUV. I'm in Thornton near 120th and Holly if you're interested in getting a ride with us. I should have room for four or five depending on if my daughter decides to attend. PM me if interested in not dealing with parking.
I'm off the Triggertime to assault some paper w/ my new Aimpoint PRO so I won't be getting back to you until after 6:00pm.
I'm off the Triggertime to assault some paper w/ my new Aimpoint PRO
We are hoping to move a little North and a little further away from the city. I'm hoping to join Triggertime when we do. Looks like a great club.
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 15:45
Don just posted this update on the Facebook page:
Attention CCW update, State Capitol - I am about to make a bunch of you real happy. I just got off the phone after talking at length with Capt Holland, Highway Patrol, and we discussed the desire by a lot of people to carry concealed on the Capitol grounds. I related to him that many of the attendees desire to carry concealed on the Capitol property. Capt Holland stated that if everyone that wants to carry concealed will conceal their guns well enough that it cannot be detected that it will be permissible to carry concealed. This means that the weapon must be undetectable and secured tightly. If everyone will abide by this requirement, they can carry concealed. This was per Capt Holland. Now, I have done everything I can do to please everyone that has contacted me in one form or another. So the bottom line is if you want to carry concealed, please do so. Ensure when you are getting in and out of your vehicles that the gun is not visible. I appreciate everyones feelings and have tried to accomodate everyone. Now, no one needs to stand across the street and everyone can attend. DD
Aloha_Shooter
01-18-2013, 15:49
Don just posted this update on the Facebook page:
Beautiful. Now everyone except the Open Carry guys can be happy. [mop]
I'll be at the park, not on the capitol grounds.
blacklabel
01-18-2013, 15:54
Don just posted this update on the Facebook page:
That's awesome. I'm glad to see that Don pushed the issue and did what was right.
Where do you want to meet, Ronin? Or anyone else?
Well with the new update about CCW (that CSP Capt sounds pretty cool), I guess I'm going in instead of being one of the 'cross the street fellas. I'm still probably going to park over at 13th & Grant (I have a friend who lives over there). I can meet up with everyone parking at Auraria anywhere you guys want (I do not mind walking to the other side of the park to meet)... It would be nice to go in as a group, representing this community. [Beer]
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 16:01
Yeah, I'll make my way over a bit more when I get down there with this change, but I'm still going to back off if it gets too big or crazy.
Shoot me a text when you guys are over there. Be good to meet some more folks face to face. I want to get over there a little early since I've helped arrange a few things for this event, and need to talk to Don and others.
I'm sure it had nothing to do with it, but I contacted those two CSP's commanding officer, Major Powell, and inquired why those two CSP officers were encouraging the organizers to tell attendees to reference Colorado code 18-12-105 section 1, sub-section C as to why concealed carry is prohibited in Civic Center Park... 2 streets away from the Capitol building, however, they were not encouraging the reference to the same Colorado code 18-12-105 section 2 sub-section C.
I would like to think contacting their commander played a little part in getting this thing turned around. I'll observe from across the street for a little while and if I can tell that they aren't in fact trying to enforce a temporary gun-free zone, then I'll cross the street and join the festivities. I'm glad they came to their senses and are actually upholding the law.
two shoes
01-18-2013, 16:02
Don just posted this update on the Facebook page:
Just got off the phone with Don... This is GOOD! Remember.... Concealed means CONCEALED!
two shoes
01-18-2013, 16:04
I'm sure it had nothing to do with it, but I contacted those two CSP's commanding officer, Major Powell, and inquired why those two CSP officers were encouraging the organizers to tell attendees to reference Colorado code 18-12-105 section 1, sub-section C as to why concealed carry is prohibited in Civic Center Park... 2 streets away from the Capitol building, however, they were not encouraging the reference to the same Colorado code 18-12-105 section 2 sub-section C.
I would like to think contacting their commander played a little part in getting this thing turned around. I'll observe from across the street for a little while and if I can tell that they aren't in fact trying to enforce a temporary gun-free zone, then I'll cross the street and join the festivities. I'm glad they came to their senses and are actually upholding the law.
It likely helped!!
[not-worthy] brobar and others!
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 17:00
A few of us are meeting in the Cherry parking lot on the Auraria campus.
Where's that lot at? Time?
blacklabel
01-18-2013, 17:03
Where's that lot at? Time?
It's at the corner of Auraria Parkway & 7th street. It's about a 20 minute walk so I'm planning on being there at about 1115 so we can hook up with other groups as we make our way to the park. I think SA Friday said he'd be there at 1130.
http://www.ahec.edu/parking/2011%20Parking%20Map.pdf
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 17:16
10-4. That's a hike from where the train lets me off since I don't like driving my 1 ton downtown, so I'll just hopefully run in to you folks there.
bellavite1
01-18-2013, 17:37
I'll join the party as well.
I'll be there at 12, (I am teaching a class at 10), hopefully I'll see you guys there.
Looks like we do not have a designated meeting place , am I right?
blacklabel
01-18-2013, 17:56
I'll join the party as well.
I'll be there at 12, (I am teaching a class at 10), hopefully I'll see you guys there.
Looks like we do not have a designated meeting place , am I right?
Nothing firm for the lot of us. Sounds like smaller groups are meeting up at random places.
This will be awesome. My two sons and I will be there. See you all there!
obisean68
01-18-2013, 18:11
Since the clearing up about CCW, I will be there as well. I will likely be parking near 19th and Grant or somewhere along Sherman between 17th and 19th and walking. 19th and Grant lot used to be about $4.00 for the day. I look forward to meeting you all there.
bellavite1
01-18-2013, 18:57
Nothing firm for the lot of us. Sounds like smaller groups are meeting up at random places.
That is a shame.
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ghettodub
01-18-2013, 20:30
How about we plan on meeting somewhere near the rally? It would be great to put some more faces to names
blacklabel
01-18-2013, 20:32
How about we plan on meeting somewhere near the rally? It would be great to put some more faces to names
I'm all for that. I'm not very familiar with the area so I'll have to follow someone else's lead. I'll probably also PM a few people my number so we can get together if need be.
XC700116
01-18-2013, 20:51
That's great news, I was on the fence a bit, but not any more.
ghettodub
01-18-2013, 20:59
We could meet where those Occupy fruitcakes used to meet up, which is basically on 15th (Colfax) and Broadway, so that's just down from the Capitol. Or, there's a Starbucks on 16th and Court/Tremont, and that's only a few blocks away, and would allow folks to get something to drink before we walk over.
enthusiast
01-18-2013, 21:55
Anyone from south west going to caravan up there? I will be coming from HR.
Since the clearing up about CCW, I will be there as well. I will likely be parking near 19th and Grant or somewhere along Sherman between 17th and 19th and walking. 19th and Grant lot used to be about $4.00 for the day. I look forward to meeting you all there.
I went 4 pages back what was cleared up about CCW?
Aloha_Shooter
01-18-2013, 22:01
Anyone from south west going to caravan up there? I will be coming from HR.
I went 4 pages back what was cleared up about CCW?
They initially said not to bring any firearms but several people were offput by the idea of going unarmed to a rally whose sole purpose is to retain our rights to self-defense so the organizer verified that CSP will not hassle CCW as long as your piece is really concealed. Don't print!
Here is my stab at all of this:
My wife, a couple of friends, and myself will be at the Starbucks at 16th and Tremont at 1130-1145. I would REALLY like to put some names with some faces. If you want to meet up feel free to meet us there and we can walk over together.
I'll be the 6' blond guy in black faded baseball hat, probably with a 5'6" blonde chick on my arm. I will also be with a 6' dark haired guy (short cut) with a rocking hot little asian chick next to him. Best bet is to just yell out 'asmo' (that's "as moe") and I will respond.
When I get down there I will start a new thread in General Discussion with my GPS coordinates and will update it through the day if you care to meet up. Again, would love to meet some of you face to face.
I'll be there. I don't know how to make a protest sign. But its not rocket surgery if the hippies can make them with a minutes notice.
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