40 PERCENT???

[robertcolorado2009]

Where does the government get this mythical 40% of all gun sales are without background checks? It also seems that all of the dealers at gunshows have their ffl and are legit. There's a lot of liberal propaganda that is just plain BS. Can anyone enlighten me?

[BPTactical]

You have enlightened yourself Grasshopper. "There is a lot of liberal BS"
Therein lies your answer, and the answer lies within.








On a side note though- prior to yesterday apparantly there was no means to track firearm sales. It seems BHO's executive wisdom is more effective than we thought......

[Great-Kazoo]

From here. Like every other "statistic" Out of their ASS
http://images.inmagine.com/img/imagesource/is_single0112/is099i3xq.jpg

[XC700116]

According to John Lott, and the interview I heard him on yesterday, (I haven't looked for a source for it personally yet) It comes from a poll done during the Clinton Administration of a whopping 250 ish people. Then take into consideration that the majority of that 40% includes, gifts and inheritance. So like most libtard stats, it's skewed WAY out of real world proportions, or at the very least stacks the deck by falsely naming the subjects.

[GlockDog47]

[ROFL3]
From here. Like every other "statistic" Out of their ASS
http://images.inmagine.com/img/imagesource/is_single0112/is099i3xq.jpg

[birddog]

Could've done without that Jim. [ROFL3]

[robertcolorado2009]

Why hasn't anyone tried to debase this old stat then? Just wonderin? I know how deaf the public can be and they hear only what thery want. But if this is that old and that unreal, then shouldn't we speak out about this? I am a newby to the gun world and I have become staunch a2 guy in this past year. I have been initiated into this new hobby(and enjoying the hell out of it too) and I'm going crazy over how stoopid these anti gun people are. I wish I would have gotten involved YEARS ago.

[rondog]

I'd have to say that my gun purchases without bg checks are a damn sight higher than 40 percent, more like 90.

[jhirsh5280]

Read an article (cant find it now) this morning, that the 40% number comes from a report by Mr. Anti-Gun himself, Michael Bloomberg that estimated 40% of all gun sales go without a background check. I suspect 40% is a guesstimate because you cant possibly account for all private sales because they are unrecorded.

[wreave]

Keep in mind, Colorado is not representative of the country as we closed the "gun show loophole" years ago.

It appears the actual number of sales that take place without a background check, excluding family members and FFL-to-FFL transfers, is closer to 10%. Yet, over 80% of prison inmates caught with a gun bought it without a background check.

I know this isn't a popular opinion on this board, but I support universal background checks. The current gun trafficking law doesn't have enough teeth for the feds to care except in the most egregious circumstances, either. Universal checks and a stronger straw purchaser law could make it harder, or at least more expensive, for criminals to get guns.

[OneGuy67]

In many states, there is no background check for private sales at a gunshow. While we have that requirement in our state, it isn't across the board common. That is one of the things the Dems have identified as being dangerous and fits with their statistics.

I had this conversation with an old Army buddy of mine recently who lives in NH/MA and has guzzled the Dem ideology en total and believes that particular statistic is because of gunshows and private sales that need to be federally regulated.

[Byte Stryke]

So my question is, If there is no registration and no NICS/CBI... where are they getting their data?

[Rucker61]

I wonder what percent of felons and gangbangers buying guns are sales without background checks. A new law ought to stop that activity, right?

[robertcolorado2009]

In it's tracks! Righteo, as Felix the Cat would say.

[Great-Kazoo]

So my question is, If there is no registration and no NICS/CBI... where are they getting their data?

See my above reply. Out of their ass AND from Bloomberg / Soros funded studies they provide only the info they want to the media. No one has actually seen any documentated facts from Bloomberg, VPC, etc groups to date. ONLY what they release.

[Monky]

Duh.. they get their info from sites like this.. data mining is everywhere!

[Goodburbon]

I've purchased 1 gun without a background check. 4 were given to me (bg check on purchaser) that's 5/ 39 for me and of those only 1 counts. So 2% of my purchases were without a bg check.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Like you guys dont know what they say about statistic, any statistic!


http://inspirably.com/uploads/user/2575-64-percent-of-all-the-worlds-statistics-are-made-up-right_247x200_width.png

[mutt]

I know this isn't a popular opinion on this board, but I support universal background checks. The current gun trafficking law doesn't have enough teeth for the feds to care except in the most egregious circumstances, either. Universal checks and a stronger straw purchaser law could make it harder, or at least more expensive, for criminals to get guns.

And how do you propose to accomplish/enforce background checks on private sales without registration of all firearms? Do you really want to have to go through a background check to legally gift a firearm to a family member? Do you want your heirs to have to submit to a check just so they can inherit what is rightfully theirs?

This is one of those measures that sounds good in theory but is pretty useless in practice unless we're willing to give up a lot. I for one am 100% opposed to any form of registration. I also have a problem having to ask permission from the govt to sell/gift my own private property.

And I'm pretty sure we didn't have background checks at a federal level until 1993? The system wasn't 100% online till 1998? What did background checks really accomplish? Was there a mass drop in gun violence after the system was put in place? I don't think much changed other than law-abiding citizens are forced to submit to yet another intrusion on their rights.

[NFATrustGuy]

And **AGAIN** by definition, CRIMINALS don't follow laws. I'd be so bold as to say that there isn't a single law or a whole pile of laws our government could enact that would stop criminals from being criminals. The only thing all these proposed new laws will do is turn a bunch of us otherwise law abiding folks INTO criminals.

RWW

[Gman]

Like you guys dont know what they say about statistic, any statistic!


http://inspirably.com/uploads/user/2575-64-percent-of-all-the-worlds-statistics-are-made-up-right_247x200_width.png
You're wrong. It's 87%.


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[Clint45]

Yet, over 80% of prison inmates caught with a gun bought it without a background check.

It is extraordinarily rare for a prison inmate to be caught with a gun. Very difficult for a visitor to smuggle a gun up their bottom.

[alxone]

It is extraordinarily rare for a prison inmate to be caught with a gun. Very difficult for a visitor to smuggle a gun up their bottom.damn homie you got a judge with 2 boxes of ammo inside , that must have been one huge ass!

[Great-Kazoo]

damn homie you got a judge with 2 boxes of ammo inside , that must have been one huge ass!

Or someone's bitch.

[TS12000]

I see guns just like any other pivate property, do I need a background check to buy a car to make sure I have not been in horrible accidents? No. If you don't feel good about selling to someone don't sell to them, if you request to both go to an ffl for sake of mind and they refuse well walk away and keep the gun. Not that fucking hard.

[Clint45]

damn homie you got a judge with 2 boxes of ammo inside , that must have been one huge ass!

One case I'm aware of occurred back around 1970. An attorney for a Black Guerrilla Army inmate smuggled a cheap .38 snub in his giant afro. At least he was suspected of having done so as it was never actually proven how the gun got in and the briefcase was searched.

[TEAMRICO]

There was great article(Slips my mind) but they stated that 40% was from GUNS ALREADY PURCHASED AND IN CIRCULATION!
NOT NEW GUNS!

These are the guns you see in Armslist, here, etc.

Guns that are already bought LEGALLY and the sold by private sale.

That number they repeat is only half the truth.

[Big E3]

Right now if you don't like someone that wants to buy your gun you can profile them and not sell it. When only the government gets to approve buyers through an FFL that means the ACLU will get to decide, gun violence become worse. Within 5 years approval to buy guns will look like the TSA at the airports frisking grandma because they were forced to sell to terrorists without a record.

[BPTactical]

Like you guys dont know what they say about statistic, any statistic!


http://inspirably.com/uploads/user/2575-64-percent-of-all-the-worlds-statistics-are-made-up-right_247x200_width.png

And 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions...........