Glock Trigger

[NightCat]

Precursor: Before I get into this, let it be known that I do NOT care for your opinion about what weight of trigger pull is "unsafe" for daily carry and should only be a " range" or "competition" weight...I dont give a damn for it...it's a bunch of bullshit and Weapons dont ND due to trigger pull weight or modifications (**unless improper installation occurs**) they ND due to the NEGLIGENCE of the Owner. (My Daily Carry gun is an M&P at 3.27lbs pull and Yes I carry it chambered, and NO I haven't ever had a Negligent Discharge)

I'm not trying to kick the dead horse, but I also didn't want to bump the 3.5lb connector thread due to the slightly different relation of topic.

Regardless, I have a couple brand new Gen 4 Glock 19's waiting for me at my local gun store, and yes...I'm already planning to F**K with it. What can I say, I cant leave shit alone...

Either way, I see a lot of options for Glock's as far as triggers, springs, barrels, etc. And I'm trying to determine what I want to do.

I hear a lot of talk about different poundage connectors, I understand there is an 8lbs, a stock one, and then a 3.5lbs connector, and from what I understand it simply adjusts how the trigger bar makes contact.

I have detailed stripped few Glock's in the past, just not a Gen 4, I'm sure the internal components are very similar..

Moving on, here are some questions and observations I've made..

I find it interesting ho similar and yet dissimilar parts are from my M&P to the Glock, mostly what I'm referring to here is what Smith Refers to as the "Striker Block" Glock refers to as the "Safety block" or something...

In the M&P This striker block was beveled and polished to change how the trigger bar makes contact with it to help smooth out the action...I'm curious as to if this is the same concept with the Glock...I understand its purpose and I understand why It is done in the M&P, but would this same premise apply to the G19?

Reference:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/527083_10152075617405217_2104234631_n.jpg

Next is all the different spring options, The M&P I didn't change a whole lot of the springs, just the Sear Spring and trigger return spring, then with the glock I see a lot of different options, does anybody have any knowledge or feedback on different products and how they performed in their weapons? Or perhaps brands or particular products to avoid and why you feel that way?

[J]

The 3.5lb connector is too light for EDC. [Coffee]

ok. Now that the obligatory antagoniziton is out of the way... The striker block on the glock doesn't seem to be as gritty as te stock block on the M&P. After looking at both, I think it is due to geometry changes on the connector. You could probably have some small gains there, but the gain is minimal enough that no companies want to produce such a replacement part without the demand.

[opie011]

Do the .25 cent trigger job and a ghost rocket trigger kit. I changed out all my springs to the ones that come in the kit. I dont have a trigger guage but would say its under 3.5lbs with no overtravel! Cheap too...$40[Beer]

[ray1970]

I fired another members Glock and it had one of the nicest triggers I have ever felt on a Glock. I can't remember all of the details, but I do know he had the striker block plunger thingy rounded off and polished.

[MarkCO]

Good insight in the OP.

Yes, doming the safety plunger on the Glock does help some, mostly in being able to reduce take-up. There are several comanies that make a domed safety plunger. There are guys you can find who also sell modified and recoated stock plungers. A lighter spring here also helps a little. Reduction of the striker spring weight is similar in effect as on the M&P, but if you don't use a reduced weight striker, you may end up with light strikes. The trigger spring is the opposite as in going heavier reduces the trigger pull weight.

As far as the connector, good insight there as well, but they are not all the same. The feel...spongier, crisper is also affected by the brand of 3.5 pound connecotors.

You can use a 3.5 pound connector with a NY trigger spring and get almost a revolver feel instead of the two stage feel or going towards a single stage pull. There are several guys that run NY trigger springs with Ghost connectors and a domed plunger with a tuned trigger pull that ends up feeling close to a Kahr, but not quite.

[ray1970]

For what it's worth, I tried the NY spring thingy with a 3.5# connector and hated it. Seemed the "take up" was way too stiff for my liking.

[NightCat]

Good insight in the OP.

Yes, doming the safety plunger on the Glock does help some, mostly in being able to reduce take-up. There are several comanies that make a domed safety plunger. There are guys you can find who also sell modified and recoated stock plungers. A lighter spring here also helps a little. Reduction of the striker spring weight is similar in effect as on the M&P, but if you don't use a reduced weight striker, you may end up with light strikes. The trigger spring is the opposite as in going heavier reduces the trigger pull weight.

Dumb question maybe, but I'm not sure if I fully understand "light strikes" you saying that their isn't enough force behind the striker to hit the primer adequately to cook off the round?



The feel...spongier, crisper is also affected by the brand of 3.5 pound connecotors.

And as far a brands, could you name a few that I should avoid? I'm looking at the Ghost Rocket 3.5lbs Connector.

My current plans for the gun is quite simple, Ghost Rocket 3.5lbs Connector and a "$0.25 Trigger job"

I'll look into the domed striker block (sorry if wrong terminology for the glock...its an M&P habit) however I might just purchase a replacement stock one and try my hand at modifying it myself. Anyone have a DIY/Info or link to somebody who has modified this part

I'm looking for around 3.5lbs overall pull weight, and to keep it smooth, crisp break, minimal over travel and take-up and a good reset.

I hate to keep using this as a reference, but I absolutely loved the Trigger on my XDm...It spoiled me.

My M&P has just about the best trigger I've ever felt on a polymer pistol...but for what's in it...it better. ha. (if anyone wants to meet at the range some day and get some rounds through it I'd be happy to meet up to get opinions)

[J]

Now you have me curious. What do you have in your M&P?

[MarkCO]

Ray, I don't like the modified NY either.

NightCat, yes, reduced striker spring and full mass striker results in not enough energy to ignite some primers reliably. Um, the Ghost Rocket is one I don't particularly like. The ZEV race connector is pretty good. The domed safety plunger does not help a ton with weight, but allows you to take out a little more take-up. You will want an overtravel and pretravel pin, block or screw in the housing as that is the most reliable way to take out the length of the total pull.

J, I have a APEX ram and competition spring kit in my M&P, tuned by a local Pro. I spent enough time fidling with Glock triggers.

The Glock trigger will never be as good as the M&P or the XDm. I ran Glocks for 20 years...now have M&Ps.

[NightCat]

So, what would be a good combination then to achieve a over all pull weight of 3.5 lbs and keep a smooth action?

@ J - I'm not sure who you were asking about their M&P, but here's whats in mine..
- APEX:
Duty Carry Action Enhancement kit
> Ultimate Striker Block
> Striker block spring
> Hard Sear
> Sear Spring
- APEX Reset Assist Mechanism
- APEX AEK Trigger

I'm running the DCAEK Sear Spring with the AEK, brings pull to low 3lbs.

Also polished Sear and trigger bar.

[cofi]

i have my glock 30 a lot of stuff worked in that department your welcome to give it a try(ill be at that bbq on sunday)

ghost 3.5# disconnect
wolff spring kit
rounded plunger
lightened striker with extended nose

fwiw i was getting light strikes with tula untill i added the striker

my trigger still sucks :) although it was way way better then the nasty creepy gritty m/p trigger i got to play with that had just the apex trigger

and i agree youll be fine with a 3.5# trigger for edc ive been carrying mine for over 2 years every day

[MarkCO]

A 3.5 connector, 6# trigger spring and a .25 trigger job will get you just at or maybe a tad lighter than 3.5.

[NightCat]

i have my glock 30 a lot of stuff worked in that department your welcome to give it a try(ill be at that bbq on sunday)

ghost 3.5# disconnect
wolff spring kit
rounded plunger
lightened striker with extended nose

fwiw i was getting light strikes with tula untill i added the striker

my trigger still sucks :) although it was way way better then the nasty creepy gritty m/p trigger i got to play with that had just the apex trigger

and i agree youll be fine with a 3.5# trigger for edc ive been carrying mine for over 2 years every day

BBQ???

I think I work sunday....but...did you saw BBQ?? :P

Either way, I see wolf makes a shit ton of springs, do you know which one's in your gun?

looks like a lot of their products aren't compatible with Gen 4's either....lucky me...that's what I get for buying the new stuff

Curious as to thoughts on this...
http://www.glockworx.com/Detail.aspx?Prod=156048

[NightCat]

Bueler?

[TriggerHappy]

I have a few custom glock triggers, I have been shooting an HSP skimmer, and it's Badass. Very much like a 1911 trigger and great reset. I like it much better than my Forward Set Sear Trigger on the M&P, which is super smooth, short pull and short reset. Im working on replacing all my glocks to skimmers.

[cofi]

BBQ???

Curious as to thoughts on this...
http://www.glockworx.com/Detail.aspx?Prod=156048

i didnt notice any difference when i put mine in

[NightCat]

I have a few custom glock triggers, I have been shooting an HSP skimmer, and it's Badass. Very much like a 1911 trigger and great reset. I like it much better than my Forward Set Sear Trigger on the M&P, which is super smooth, short pull and short reset. Im working on replacing all my glocks to skimmers.

I looked at the skimmer...but I cant justify $180 on polished stock parts which from my understanding is all the skimmer trigger is...could you expand on this for me?


i didnt notice any difference when i put mine in
Good to know. Thanks Cofi!

[StreetDoctor]

What about this one? All aluminum... I like the idea of getting rid of the plastic crap. I'm in the same boat. Looking at replacing triggers in a G30 and G35, both gen 4


http://www.fulcrumtrigger.com/

[NightCat]

So....here is an interesting fact, Been doing some reading and it appears as though Gen 4's might have problems running properly with different connectors...

So, any suggestions on brands? I'll probably go 3.5# connector, but do I need any other modifications? Springs? etc?

[NightCat]

...This is interesting

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1220037#post1220037

[cstone]

Thanks for sharing the post from the m4carbine board. I especially like Vicker's quote about searching for the magic trigger. To paraphrase; "Don't"

A little polish here and there on a stock trigger will make things move nicely, but nothing can replace lots and lots of practice.

I have a Gen4 G22 and I shoot .40 and .357 SIG out of it through a Lone Wolf barrel. It goes boom every time I pull the trigger. It is bone stock and I don't have any complaints about it. It won't out shoot an STI race gun, but I wouldn't carry an STI everyday to the grocery store.

Some of the aftermarket parts for aGlock remind me of the number of 10/22 mods. Just like the 1911, the Glock, and the 10/22, all can be built completely from scratch with not a single stock manufacturer part. That alone means you have a classic gun.

Be safe.

[NightCat]

Thanks for sharing the post from the m4carbine board. I especially like Vicker's quote about searching for the magic trigger. To paraphrase; "Don't"

A little polish here and there on a stock trigger will make things move nicely, but nothing can replace lots and lots of practice.

I have a Gen4 G22 and I shoot .40 and .357 SIG out of it through a Lone Wolf barrel. It goes boom every time I pull the trigger. It is bone stock and I don't have any complaints about it. It won't out shoot an STI race gun, but I wouldn't carry an STI everyday to the grocery store.

Some of the aftermarket parts for aGlock remind me of the number of 10/22 mods. Just like the 1911, the Glock, and the 10/22, all can be built completely from scratch with not a single stock manufacturer part. That alone means you have a classic gun.

Be safe.

Sure thing, I found it particularly interesting....as am I finding posts about Gen 4 problems and I'm starting to think I bought the wrong gun without even having it in my hands...

so I'm seriously thinking fresh out the box I'm going to strip it down and see if it has any of the "common" problem makers of Gen 4's....and then I'll probably immediately get to detail stripping and polishing...leave the stock connector in for now...

And I'll just compare my two bone stock glock 19's to a polished and non-polished one....the beauty of buying 2 identical guns with 6 digits difference in serial number is like having two hands....does it look that way on the left.....nope....we got a problem.

Still researching and trying to learn what works and what doesnt, I can say this much right now, Not a chance in hell I'll ever do a NY1 set-up...naaaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaaaah

[StreetDoctor]

Curiosity got me, just ordered a fulcrum trigger. :)

[StreetDoctor]

This post made me order

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-carry-guns/146902-fulcrum-trigger-kit-ultimate-glock-trigger-just-might-videos-included.html

[NightCat]

At 41% of the cost of the gun....you can try that out haha.

$250 for a trigger...for a $575 gun.......wow

https://www.glockworx.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=156277

Or maybe you got the cheaper but still expensive $150'ish one..

Still....wow...


Same argument made for the HSP/GlockTriggers.com Skimmer trigger.........pay $159.99 for stock parts that got polished with some fancy "redesign" to eliminate pretravel...pass.

[StreetDoctor]

i paid $160. It's a whole different trigger though... all aluminum. No plastic. We'll see if it's worth it.

[XC700116]

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Regardless, I have a couple brand new Gen 4 Glock 19's waiting for me at my local gun store, and yes...I'm already planning to F**K with it. What can I say, I cant leave shit alone...



I like your style, I can't keep my fingers out of any toys I buy either.


My current plans for the gun is quite simple, Ghost Rocket 3.5lbs Connector and a "$0.25 Trigger job"


I have the same setup in my Gen 2 and I'm very happy with it for the money I have invested. YMMV

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[NightCat]

I like your style, I can't keep my fingers out of any toys I buy either.



I have the same setup in my Gen 2 and I'm very happy with it for the money I have invested. YMMV

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Thanks for the feedback man. I thin I'll just do that...but I still have a lot of research to do.

[rustycrusty]

Though I am a Haley fan... I cannot endorse the Haley skimmer... It does give a COMPLETELY different feel- agree with OP too much $$$$$.

the polish works wonders. It also self polishes in 1-2k rounds... Just grease it up, get some dirt and sand in it and run it.

I like the idea of the ghost rocket but haven't gone that route yet.

while comparing you may notice the gen4 is a different beast than the 2 and 3.
It has a bumpy take up. This feature has not gone away with break in of several thousand rounds and I notice it on every gen4 I have shot.
As for the 3.5 vs standard- standard is more crisp release. 3.5 adds length to take up and a creepy mushed break compared to the standard.

i am toying with a sick idea of only using the NY2 12lb. This way, I can learn to shoot it well, and nobody else will be able to shoot my gun effectively bad guys or NYPD... (Don't miss with your terrible triggers, 7rnd capacity, and horrible triani... I digress).

I still say stock glock is good to go, and when (if) you wear the parts out any armorer at a 'Glock days' will replace them for free- that wont happen with replacement spring kits

[NightCat]

All I'm trying to do is get this Glock close to my M&P so I dont get surprised when changing my carry gun to my APEX'd out 3.5lbs Smith to my Glock.

Just want it down to a good 3-4lbs pull and a smooth action....

And I may or may not file off that stupid nub on the gen 4 trigger bars....of course I'd buy another trigger bar first and keep my OE has a back-up in case I had to send the gun to glock for other issues. But yea...seeing a lot of people doing that with Gen 4's.

Supposedly the bump is there to help align it with the safety plunger..

[NightCat]

So....

Here is some progress I made the other night....haven't pulled the trigger on it yet to feel if it's any different...I kinda lost a striker spring cup lol...dont ask, anyone who's been balls deep in their glock knows those bastards take off lol.

Either way, 100% stock right now, just polished up....Still looking ito 3.5lbs connectors that will work correctly in Gen4...no one seems to know..

Less gum flapping, moar pics....

Surgical take down and organization of parts.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/480411_10152611022600217_1521573163_n.jpg

Frame components prior to any work
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/47868_10152611048625217_1205084571_n.jpg

Connector was the first piece to get polished to a mirror.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/13143_10152611124335217_1649042012_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/482604_10152611125150217_1939742268_n.jpg

Trigger bar surfaces..
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/312302_10152611160405217_184663317_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/420182_10152611162115217_1406049341_n.jpg

[NightCat]

Okay...well, while waiting on the Striker spring cup to come in...I had to fuck with it some more and make it even more shiny lol.

Safety Plunger:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/548771_10152615168715217_413356679_n.jpg

Connector: I put the punch on top of it just to show...you can read what it says on the punch off the connector :-)
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/602011_10152615119235217_1160923946_n.jpg
And here you can see my camera lens in the connector lol. Nice job iPhone
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/543824_10152615180030217_797339828_n.jpg

[HoneyBadger]

I just put the Ghost Rocket 3.5 in my G19 (gen 3) and very lightly polished up the contact surfaces. Took about an hour and made a world of difference. I shoot more accurately and like the pull A LOT better. Good luck with your endeavors!

[NightCat]

I just put the Ghost Rocket 3.5 in my G19 (gen 3) and very lightly polished up the contact surfaces. Took about an hour and made a world of difference. I shoot more accurately and like the pull A LOT better. Good luck with your endeavors!

I'm going to give it a shot with the stock parts just polished...as you see...I seriously..polished the ever loving shit out of it.

I noticed after my first polishing that I was essentially trying to polish a coarse rock and it was only polishing the non coarse surfaces..., I looked after several applications of polish and you could just tell...the tooling of the component had left it somewhat rough...

So, it might be cheating or frowned upon, but I hit it with some 1000, 1500, 2000, 3000 grit sand paper to make the surface I was trying to polish for uniform and rid of imperfections. After that and using the polishing compound some more and adjusting my technique is when I found that I could use my connector as a mirror.

I did do more than you need to, and more than where the surfaces touch, simply because it was easier to do the entire trigger bar than try and focus on very specific area's and I think it cosmetically looks better and will hopefully aid in cleaning in the future.

I'm hoping to get a spring cup in the mail today or tomorrow from JOEO who was kind enough to save my ass after I managed to eject one of my cups while reassembling my striker so I am yet to feel my new trigger...


I'm having issues finding out which connector truly is compatible with a Gen 4....appears as though the gen4 is a bit more picky about what goes in it :P