View Full Version : Last Stand Against Gun Bills - The Senate
iquack08
02-18-2013, 18:09
[yes, another post, but here's everything you need to know]
All 4 gun bills passed the House today. Next is the Senate, and our last stand b/c Hickenlooper already announced his support for all the gun bills except HB13-1226 (or has he? (http://www.ar-15.co/threads/90559-MMmm-I-smell-waffles-Hickenlooper-feeling-the-pressure)).
Dems hold a 20-15 majority in the Senate, so 3 Dems have to defect to kill any bill on the floor. But the best way to kill a bill is in committee. Here are the bills and their most likely paths through committee before any bill can reach the Senate floor:
HB13-1229: requiring background checks for all gun transactions; Judiciary & Appropriations
HB13-1226: banning concealed weapons on campuses; Education & Appropriations
HB13-1228: instituting a fee for gun buyers to cover the cost of the CBI to perform background checks; Finance & Appropriations
HB13-1224: limiting magazines to 15 rounds; Judiciary
Judciary Committee: Jessie Ulibarri (D-21), Irene Aguilar (D-32), Lucia Guzman (D-34), Steve King (R-7), Kevin Lundberg (R-15)
Education Committee: Rollie Heath (D-18), Evie Hudak (D-19), Andy Kerr (D-22), Nancy Todd (D-28), Michael Johnston (D-33), Mark Scheffel (R-4), Owen Hill (R-10), Scott Renfroe (R-13), Vicki Marble (R-23)
Finance Committee: Cheri Jahn (D-20), Andy Kerr (D-22), Michael Johnston (D-33), Kevin Grantham (R-2), Owen Hill (R-10)
Appropriations Committee: Rollie Heath (D-18), Jessie Ulibarri (D-21), Mary Hodge (D-25), Pat Steadman (D-31), Kent Lambert (R-9), Scott Renfroe (R-13), Ted Harvey (R-30)
(red = Dems w/ doubts regarding some bills (Post #56 (http://www.ar-15.co/threads/89701-Last-Stand-Against-Gun-Bills-The-Senate?p=954239&viewfull=1#post954239)) (Thread (http://www.ar-15.co/threads/90211-Dems-on-the-fence!!!)) (NRA-ILA (http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/2/colorado-senate-is-the-last-line-of-defense-to-halt-rights-infringing-legislation.aspx)) - target them more!)
(gray = Dems in safe districts or obvious no vote)
(date = next election; vote count = last election results)
Democratic Senators:
3 Angela Giron, Pueblo 2014
Phone: 303-866-4878
E-mail: angela.giron.senate@state.co.us
FB: http://www.facebook.com/angela.giron
(http://www.facebook.com/angela.giron)Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenGiron
Angela Giron 24,827
Vera Ortegon 20,313
5 Gail Schwartz, Snowmass Village 2014
Phone: 303-866-4871
E-mail: gail.schwartz.senate@gmail.com
(gail.schwartz.senate@gmail.com)FB: http://www.facebook.com/schwartz2010 (http://www.facebook.com/schwartz2010)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenGailSchwartz (https://twitter.com/SenGailSchwartz)
Gail Schwartz 26,355
Robert E. Rankin 25,269
11 John Morse, Colorado Springs 2014
Phone: 303-866-6364
E-mail: john.morse.senate@state.co.us
FB: https://www.facebook.com/SenatePresidentMorse & http://www.facebook.com/johnmorseSD11
Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenJohnMorse
Senate President
John Morse 13,866
Owen Hill 13,526
Douglas W. Randall 1,320
14 John Kefalas, Fort Collins 2016
Phone: 303-866-4841
E-mail: john.kefalas.senate@state.co.us (john.kefalas.senate@state.co.us)
John Kefalas: 46,673
Syndi Anderson: 28,874
Jeff Johnston: 3,166
Barrett Rothe: 1,828
16 Jeanne Nicholson, Golden 2014
Phone: 303-866-4873
E-mail: jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us (jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us)
FB: http://www.facebook.com/nicholsonjeanne (http://www.facebook.com/nicholsonjeanne)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenNicholson (https://twitter.com/SenNicholson)
Jeanne Nicholson 30,882
Timothy J. Leonard 30,224
17 Matt Jones, Longmont 2016
Phone: 303-866-5291
E-mail: senatormattjones@gmail.com (senatormattjones@gmail.com)
Matt Jones: 45,426
Charlie Plagainos: 23,983
Ken Bray: 3,848
18 Rollie Heath, Boulder 2016
Phone: 303-866-4872
E-mail: rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us (rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us)
Senate Sponsor of HB13-1226, HB13-1228
Rollie Heath: 66,619
Barry Thoma: 18,427
19 Evie Hudak, Westminster 2016
Phone: 303-866-4840
E-mail: senatorhudak@gmail.com
FB: http://www.facebook.com/evie.hudak & http://www.facebook.com/pages/Evie-Hudak/17959923018?ref=ts
Twitter: https://twitter.com/senhudak
Evie Hudak: 35,664
Lang Sias: 35,080
Lloyd A. Sweeny: 5,104
20 Cheri Jahn, Wheat Ridge 2014
Phone: 303-866-4856
E-mail: cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us (cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us)
FB: https://www.facebook.com/cheri.jahn (https://www.facebook.com/cheri.jahn) & http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cheri-Jahn/186069443507 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cheri-Jahn/186069443507)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/CheriJahn (https://twitter.com/CheriJahn)
Cheri Jahn 23,238
John Odom 21,412
21 Jessie Ulibarri, Commerce City 2016
Phone: 303-866-4857
E-mail: jessie.ulibarri.senate@state.co.us (jessie.ulibarri.senate@state.co.us)
Jessie Ulibarri: 30,308
Francine Bigelow: 16,373
22 Andy Kerr, Lakewood 2014
Phone: 303-866-4859
E-mail: andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us (andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us)
FB: http://www.facebook.com/andy.kerr (http://www.facebook.com/andy.kerr) & http://www.facebook.com/pages/Andy-Kerr/51257823489 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Andy-Kerr/51257823489)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenAndyKerr (https://twitter.com/SenAndyKerr)
Andrew Kerr: 38,845
Ken Summers: 35,008
24 Lois Tochtrop, Thornton 2014
Phone: 303-866-4863
E-mail: lotochtrop@aol.com (lotochtrop@aol.com)
FB: http://www.facebook.com/lotochtrop
(http://www.facebook.com/lotochtrop)Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenTochtrop (https://twitter.com/SenTochtrop)
Lois Tochtrop 20,750
Luis Alvarez 17,055
25 Mary Hodge, Aurora 2016
Phone: 303-866-4855
E-mail: mary.hodge.senate@state.co.us
FB: http://www.facebook.com/mary.hodge.378 & http://www.facebook.com/pages/State-Senator-Mary-Hodge/97152643564
Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenHodge
Senate Sponsor of HB13-1224
Mary Hodge: 27,961
John Sampson: 20,310
Ronald G. Schweizer: 2,461
26 Linda Newell, Littleton 2016
Phone: 303-866-4846
E-mail: linda.newell.senate@gmail.com
FB: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Senator-Linda-Newell/197156632681
Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenNewell
Linda Newell: 38,744
Dave Kerber: 32,890
28 Nancy Todd, Aurora 2016
Phone: 303-866-3432
E-mail: nancy.todd.senate@state.co.us (nancy.todd.senate@state.co.us)
Nancy Todd: 37,181
John Lyons: 24,475
Robert Harrison: 2,459
29 Morgan Carroll, Aurora 2016
Phone: 303-866-4879
E-mail: morgan.carroll.senate@state.co.us (morgan.carroll.senate@state.co.us)
Senate Sponsor of HB13-1229
Morgan Carroll: 30,149
William Ross, II: 18,745
Michele Rae Poague: 2,420
31 Pat Steadman, Denver 2016
Phone: 303-866-4861
E-mail: pat.steadman.senate@state.co.us (pat.steadman.senate@state.co.us)
Pat Steadman: 54,390
Michael Carr: 23,425
32 Irene Aguilar, Denver 2014
Phone: 303-866-4852
E-mail: irene.aguilar.senate@state.co.us (irene.aguilar.senate@state.co.us)
Irene Aguilar: 47,995
Roger Logan: 20,505
33 Michael Johnston, Denver 2016
Phone: 303-866-4864
E-mail: mike.johnston.senate@state.co.us (mike.johnston.senate@state.co.us)
Michael Johnston: 51,357
Jason DeBerry: 8,456
Courtney Kolva: 2,579
34 Lucia Guzman, Denver 2014
Phone: 303-866-4862
E-mail: lucia.guzman.senate@state.co.us (lucia.guzman.senate@state.co.us)
Lucia Guzman 21,273
Derec C. Shuler 6,121
(recommend using bcc)
E-mail List of Democrats:
angela.giron.senate@state.co.us, gail.schwartz.senate@gmail.com, john.morse.senate@state.co.us, john.kefalas.senate@state.co.us, jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us, senatormattjones@gmail.com, rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us, senatorhudak@gmail.com, cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us, jessie.ulibarri.senate@state.co.us, andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us, lotochtrop@aol.com, mary.hodge.senate@state.co.us, linda.newell.senate@gmail.com, nancy.todd.senate@state.co.us, morgan.carroll.senate@state.co.us, pat.steadman.senate@state.co.us, irene.aguilar.senate@state.co.us, mike.johnston.senate@state.co.us, lucia.guzman.senate@state.co.us
(can't have any defecting, so send a reminder)
Republican Senators:
1 Greg Brophy, Wray 2014
Phone: 303-866-6360
E-mail: greg@gregbrophy.net
2 Kevin Grantham, Canon City 2014
Phone: 303-866-4877
E-mail: kevin.grantham.senate@state.co.us
4 Mark Scheffel, Sedalia 2016
Phone: 303-866-4869
E-mail: mark.scheffel.senate@state.co.us
6 Ellen Roberts, Durango 2014
Phone: 303-866-4884
E-mail: ellen.roberts.senate@state.co.us
7 Steve King, Grand Junction 2014
Phone: 303-866-3077
E-mail: steve.king.senate@state.co.us
8 Randy Baumgardner, Steamboat Springs 2016
Phone: 303-866-5292
E-mail: randy.baumgardner.senate@state.co.us
9 Kent Lambert, Colorado Springs 2014
Phone: 303-866-4835
E-mail: senatorlambert@comcast.net
10 Owen Hill, Colorado Springs 2016
Phone: 303-866-2737
E-mail: owen.hill.senate@state.co.us
12 Bill Cadman, Colorado Springs 2016
Phone: 303-866-4880
E-mail: bill.cadman.senate@state.co.us
13 Scott Renfroe, Greeley 2014
Phone: 303-866-4451
E-mail: senatorrenfroe@gmail.com
15 Kevin Lundberg, Fort Collins 2014
Phone: 303-866-4853
E-mail: kevin@kevinlundberg.com
23 Vicki Marble, Fort Collins 2016
Phone: 303-866-4876
E-mail: vicki.marble.senate@state.co.us
27 David Balmer, Centennial 2016
Phone: 303-866-4883
E-mail: david.balmer.senate@state.co.us
30 Ted Harvey, Parker 2014
Phone: 303-866-4881
E-mail: ted.harvey.senate@state.co.us
35 Larry Crowder, Alamosa 2016
Phone: 303-866-4875
E-mail: larry.crowder.senate@state.co.us
(recommend using bcc)
E-mail List of Republicans:
greg@gregbrophy.net, kevin.grantham.senate@state.co.us, mark.scheffel.senate@state.co.us, ellen.roberts.senate@state.co.us, steve.king.senate@state.co.us, randy.baumgardner.senate@state.co.us, senatorlambert@comcast.net, owen.hill.senate@state.co.us, bill.cadman.senate@state.co.us, senatorrenfroe@gmail.com, kevin@kevinlundberg.com, vicki.marble.senate@state.co.us, david.balmer.senate@state.co.us, ted.harvey.senate@state.co.us, larry.crowder.senate@state.co.us, (larry.crowder.senate@state.co.us)david@davidbalme r.com
(david@davidbalmer.com)
(all Senators have one address; mail will be sorted at the Capitol)
Mail:
Senator [name]
Colorado State Capitol
200 East Colfax
Denver, CO 80203
Governor John Hickenlooper
Phone & Fax: 303-866-2471
E-mail: Governor.hickenlooper@state.co.us & http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requests/opinion-leg.html
FB: http://www.facebook.com/JohnHickenlooper
Twitter: https://twitter.com/hickforco
Mail:
John W Hickenlooper, Governor
136 State Capitol
Denver, CO 80203-1792
flan7211
02-18-2013, 18:29
How do all of you that voted 3rd party feel now that we have Morse? Pretty stupid. I would like to start a PAC. Committee to Crush Vulnerable Anti-gun Democrats. Next election, if you live in a safe district we should donate to take out these close races instead of our own.
Holger Danske
02-18-2013, 18:34
Awesome!
Here are my next steps.
1. Thank the house Dems that voted against the bills, and ask them for their continued help to influence their senate counterparts.
2. Thank the house republicans for their vote and to ask them to continue to help influence their senate counterparts.
3. Reminder emails to senate republicans.
4. Targeted email and faxes to the key senate dems above as well as dems from rural districts.
5. blanket emails to remaining senate dems asking for a no vote.
How do all of you that voted 3rd party feel now that we have Morse? Pretty stupid. I would like to start a PAC. Committee to Crush Vulnerable Anti-gun Democrats. Next election, if you live in a safe district we should donate to take out these close races instead of our own.
The ones I spoe with are indignant and they are not even actively calling or writing senators and representatives. Not a single person at the capitol that I asked who they voted for said anything other than R down the line. We have too many who do not understand because we have largely been too complacent.
iquack08
02-18-2013, 18:50
4. Targeted email and faxes to the key senate dems above as well as dems from rural districts.
The phone numbers posted are the office numbers. I'm not sure if they can take a fax?
Thanks for that, email sent.
The phone numbers posted are the office numbers. I'm not sure if they can take a fax?
I have not found a senate fax, but I will if it exists.
they may well share the same fax
iquack08
02-18-2013, 19:17
There's also snail mail. All have the same address, and they will sort it out there.
[name]
Colorado State Capitol
200 East Colfax
Denver CO 80203
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-18-2013, 19:23
There's also snail mail. All have the same address, and they will sort it out there.
[name]
Colorado State Capitol
200 East Colfax
Denver CO 80203
Molon Aabe!
Holger Danske
02-18-2013, 19:45
For Faxes I was going to send them to 303-866-2218 like we did for the house.
Just sent another email, I did a condensed email, thanking and then stating the anti party agenda crap................. Thanks for all the info! [Beer]
We also need to let the govener know that there are voters who do not support these bills.
http://www.facebook.com/JohnHickenlooper
http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requ...inion-leg.html (http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requests/opinion-leg.html)
HoneyBadger
02-18-2013, 20:24
THANK YOU for putting this all together! YOU DA MAN!
There's also snail mail. All have the same address, and they will sort it out there.
[name]
Colorado State Capitol
200 East Colfax
Denver CO 80203
I've been sending non-stop postcards to the senate democrats for the past week. I have 5 different postcards made up that all same similar things. FWIW: If you are sending snail mail, make sure you put a return address of some sort or they will not accept it (so I've been told).
We also need to let the govener know that there are voters who do not support these bills.
http://www.facebook.com/JohnHickenlooper
http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requ...inion-leg.html (http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requests/opinion-leg.html)
pretty sure he knows that. He has already said he'll sign it. He has already flopped once when it was politically convenient (to get D elected last fall), he wont flip back.
mahabali
02-18-2013, 21:00
Lets keep this up. I am emailing and faxing every day.
From: EXXONV
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:43 PM
To: 'angela.giron.senate@state.co.us'; 'gail.schwartz.senate@gmail.com'; 'john.morse.senate@state.co.us'; 'john.kefalas.senate@state.co.us'; 'jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us'; 'senatormattjones@gmail.com'; 'rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us'; 'senatorhudak@gmail.com'; 'cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us'; 'jessie.ulibarri.senate@state.co.us'; 'andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us'; 'lotochtrop@aol.com'; 'mary.hodge.senate@state.co.us'; 'linda.newell.senate@gmail.com'; 'nancy.todd.senate@state.co.us'; 'morgan.carroll.senate@state.co.us'; 'pat.steadman.senate@state.co.us'; 'irene.aguilar.senate@state.co.us'; 'mike.johnston.senate@state.co.us'; 'lucia.guzman.senate@state.co.us'
Cc: 'greg@gregbrophy.net'; 'kevin.grantham.senate@state.co.us'; 'mark.scheffel.senate@state.co.us'; 'ellen.roberts.senate@state.co.us'; 'steve.king.senate@state.co.us'; 'randy.baumgardner.senate@state.co.us'; 'senatorlambert@comcast.net'; 'owen.hill.senate@state.co.us'; 'bill.cadman.senate@state.co.us'; 'senatorrenfroe@gmail.com'; 'kevin@kevinlundberg.com'; 'vicki.marble.senate@state.co.us'; 'david.balmer.senate@state.co.us'; 'ted.harvey.senate@state.co.us'; 'larry.crowder.senate@state.co.us'
Subject: NO Gun Control - IT IS UP TO YOU To Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights
Colorado Senators,
Now it is up to you to defend our 2nd Amendment rights. I know many of you have already told me you intend to do just that – I know you have taken the same oath I did as a military veteran – To Defense the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We know what the 2nd Amendment says about our rights not being infringed. Unfortunately your counterparts in the House do not understand how the bills proposed infringe upon those rights.
HOW WILL YOU VOTE?
HB13-1229: Requiring background checks for all gun transactions – let’s consider the fact that in each case in recent history, those whose criminal actions have led to this current frenzy to remove our rights ALL purchased their firearms legally through the background check system with the exception of the monster Adam Lanza. Adam’s mother unfortunately lost her life because her son decided to kill her for her weapons, which she purchased legally. I am trying hard to understand HOW this bill would do anything to prevent another Adam Lanza, James Holmes, or a Jared Laughner from doing what those sick people did to others. Please tell me HOW…. I’ve not heard this from anyone. What this law does is infringe upon my right to sell a firearm privately to someone I know, who likely has a Colorado Conceal Carry Permit, or who has already passed background checks in their past. This is a direct attack against our 2nd Amendment rights (I can’t give a firearm I own to my son???) – and for WHAT reason? Please someone tell me. How is this not infringing upon our 2nd Amendment right?
HB13-1226: banning concealed weapons on campuses – college age students are old enough to vote, buy booze, buy pot (I’m sure that’ll be coming soon), and to buy guns, but they are not allowed to carry them on campus? What is the rationale? Has anyone look at the FBI data around violent gun use at college campuses? What did that say? The massacre at Virginia Tech was conducted in a GUN FREE ZONE. The evil murderer Cho, an individual adjudicated as mentally unsound, was allowed to purchase handguns without detection by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). See HB13-1229 – the irony of this is sickening. Cho legally bought the firearms that he used to murder innocent people with in a gun free zone. Is your intent to have this happen MORE OFTEN in our state? How is this not infringing upon our 2nd Amendment right?
HB13-1228: instituting a fee for gun buyers to cover the cost of the CBI to perform background checks – this is not gun safety, this is a gun tax. We pay Federal and state taxes today, and yet this bill says we need to pay tax for the mandatory background check. See HB13-1229 – the House wants to make this background check mandatory for all transactions, and they want to tax us for it as well? First off, how does this make anyone safe? Second, this is self-serving – all dealer transactions require a background check by law (to include gunshows), and yet the House wants to make all sales require a background check, and then make gun owners pay a tax for that mandatory requirement. How is this not infringing upon our 2nd Amendment right?
HB13-1224: limiting magazines to 15 rounds – the absolute worst of the lot. Someone has to explain how limiting anything from whatever to 15-rounds makes anyone safe. Where is the research to prove this to be true? The truth is that states with 10-round magazine bans DO NOT see a decrease in crime. Those states with the most draconian laws have a higher rate of violent crime nationally. Worse than this, the bill infringes upon our right to defend ourselves effectively by telling us (law abiding gun owners) that we can only have 15 rounds. Does ANYONE believe that criminals will follow this law? Do you really believe James Holmes, Adam Lanza, or Jared Laughner would follow these laws? The answer is NO – you know it, and we know it. Plus, a Colorado Business that is profitable, and produced outstanding equipment (Magpul) will be forced to move because of this legislation. Even if they are provided an amendment, they will need to move to avoid being boycotted for hypocrisy. HOW does limiting our rights to more than 15-round KEEP ANYONE SAFE? Please explain this to me – I’m just a simple American Military Veteran and a director of church security for a large church in the Denver Metro area. I must be too simple to see the obvious reasons – but I’ve talked to a great many angry Coloradans who also fail to see how this will keep anyone safer, except for the criminals. How is this bill not infringing upon our 2nd Amendment right?
Take away jobs, remove our ability to have the same capacity magazines as criminals, tax us for mandatory background checks, ban conceal carry for mature adults on campus to make those killing zones, and require background checks for all private transactions. Sounds like the House bills do nothing but infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights.
HOW DO THESE BILLS KEEP US SAFER? What has the House proposed that would keep us safe – nothing… There is NOTHING about mental illness – nothing about enforcing our current laws, nothing about removing gun free zones for legal conceal carry holders, nothing for keeping us safer. The opposite is true – restrict, regulate, tax, and infringe…
Remember this – Colorado Gun Owners span both parties and make up quite a few “independent voters”. If these bills pass, you can bet that Colorado Gun Owners across all parties, and backgrounds will all make the necessary changes in 2014 and 2016 to ensure that our 2nd Amendment Rights are NEVER AGAIN infringed upon.
Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights – VOTE NO on Gun Control
Thank you for this great resource
I hope that some of you find this useful. If not, DO SOMETHING!!!
Go here to get your Local Senator's Name: http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx
Feel free to copy, or use all of part of this letter:
Senator ______________,
I hope that you will voteagainst, as well as stand up and voice your opposition to all 4 of the Firearmsproposals that have passed the Colorado House today. These misguided,“fast patch” responses to some extraordinary firearms events in the past yearand will do nothing to protect the general public. In fact , theultraviolent cultures that have evolved in cities like Chicago and WashingtonD.C. have become worse after the enactment of similar types of laws. Itis my opinion that the State of Colorado will only increase the likelihood ofinnocent people being hurt by enacting these laws.
Magazine Limits –
Banning the sale and transferof magazines that hold over 15 rounds will have no impact on the thousands ofColorado Citizens that already own millions of high capacity magazines. Additionally, since there are generally no restrictions on selling these highcapacity magazines in other states, added to the fact that you will lose the mainmanufacturer of these magazines in Colorado, will make this lawunenforceable. This is because no manufacturer will date their magazines,as required of Colorado magazine manufacturers after the law is enacted. The law will be unenforceable. Unless someone gets caught crossing the borderwith these banned magazines, they will not get caught. Also,don’t ban the standard magazine for whole classes of weapons that are used andcarried, legally and safely, buy thousands of Coloradans.
Banning Private Sales –
The only realistic wayto enforce this law is to require registration of all firearms – which isthe first steps in another slippery slope. I hope you appreciate wherethat will lead. At a minimum, the legislature should wait until the Federalgovernment takes action on how they are going to deal with the federalbackground checks.
Charging for BackgroundChecks –
First, the state should payfor this required step in acquiring a firearm. This is a 2ndamendment issue and one should not be charged by the government to exercise aright guarantee by the 2nd amendment of the Bill of Rights. Second, banning private sales without background checks will lead to thecreation of a new black market in firearms within the borders of Colorado.
The most frightening aspectof enacting these three laws, is that they will drive up the prices of new, andvalue of existing, guns and magazines in Colorado. This will lead tocriminals taking the risk to bypass these laws. The Vice President’s Chiefof Staff states that this already happens in Chicago. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bidens-chief-staff-gangsters-smuggling-guns-suburbs-chicago (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bidens-chief-staff-gangsters-smuggling-guns-suburbs-chicago)
Once this black market startsin Colorado, it will not be stopped. It will make the risk worth thereward for illegal gun sellers.
Firearms on CollegeCampuses –
One person with a legalfirearm could have stopped the killings at Virginia Tech. As Wayne LaPierrestates, "Theonly thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with agun." This is even more true in an unarmed, closed campus situationwhen someone is determined to harm others.
Finally, if these laws are enacted, Colorado will lose 200 direct jobs andhundreds of other supplier and contractor jobs when MagPul leaves thestate.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22601993/magpuls-departure-could-crack-plastics-industry-manufacturer-says (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22601993/magpuls-departure-could-crack-plastics-industry-manufacturer-says)
Also, these laws will put alot of locally owned and operated Colorado gun shops out of business. Theonly way most of these shops make enough profit to stay open and hire employeesis by selling the high cost / high profit weapons that use the magazines thatare being banned by these laws. Thousands of Coloradans stand to losetheir jobs and livelihoods if these laws are enacted.
Link to a map of all of the2012 shootings in “gun free” Chicago
http://www.suntimes.com/news/violence/index.html (http://www.suntimes.com/news/violence/index.html)
Another Chicago Story
http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/chicago-suffered-one-shooting-every-36-hours-2012 (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/chicago-suffered-one-shooting-every-36-hours-2012)
I am not totally insensitiveto the wishes of “The Left” on this issue. I have often conveyed to myliberal friends that if guns had never existed in the history of man and theywere invented today, I could understand the desire to keep these out of thehands of the citizens. However, “Pandora’s Box” has been opened and itcan never be closed. All of the laws and all of the wishing, will notdo away with guns and gun violence. Evil people will always use firearmsagainst good, law abiding citizens to take their Freedom, to take their Libertyand to take their lives. By legislating to take away law abidingcitizen’s access to guns, you make it easier for the bad guys to win. Youare not keeping the innocent safer.
Our goal should be to protectlaw abiding citizens and give them the Right to Liberty. You give them this Libertyby allowing them protect their families, their children, their homes, theirpossessions and/or themselves from those that wish to do them harm and taketheir possessions.
Thanking you in advance foryour consideration of these points,
Sincerely,
_________________________
Thanks.. I just bombarded them all..
HoneyBadger
02-18-2013, 22:22
We also need to let the govener know that there are voters who do not support these bills.
http://www.facebook.com/JohnHickenlooper
http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requ...inion-leg.html (http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requests/opinion-leg.html)
This is awesomely funny if nothing else: Dick-in-pooper is getting one wall post about every 30 seconds or so flaming him or politely asking him to veto any anti-gun legislation.
JUDICIARY COMITTEE on HB-1224: - 3 dems on committee, 2 republcans.
ULIBARRI: Well, we can forget Ulibarri on Judiciary voting 'no' in the mag ban. It's pretty much his foundation.
http://menrec.com/colorado-lawmaker-suggests-people-can-defend-against-gun-wielding-lunatics-by-using-ballpoint-pens/
AGUILAR: Irene Aguilar doesn't look much better. She's the Assistant Majority Leader. She has told correspondents and citizens via email to pound sand, and that all of the bills are great and "do not infringe on 2A". No chance.
GUZMAN: Lucia Guzman is also big-time for an AWB, as quoted:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/07/aurora_theater_shooting_latino_officials_gun_contr ol.php?page=2 --the usual "We don't need them on our streets"/ "they belong only in theatres of war" argument.
So, the mag ban, for sure, is going to sail through commitee. I"m guessing some amendments to make the laws worse could most likely happen in commitee. Hopefully they'll leave them alone.
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SENATE:
We need to concentrate on the "3 defectors" possibility, but I don't know if we've identified positively who those could be yet. So in addition to district safety, here's some ideas based on some research I've found of their track records.
A quick rundown of what I could find from those in 'unsafe districts' as posted by the OP:
I've bolded the "at all possible" nonpartisan / no votes...
"Question marks" in green.
"Unlikely to vote no" in blue.
Will update as I get more info. REMEMBER THESE ARE ONLY UNSAFE-DISTRICT POSSIBILITIES (narrow win margins).
A defector from a safe district is possible, so do NOT only concentrate on these -- but for SURE concentrate on emailing and calling these at least!
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SENATOR: Angela Giron (D)
EMAIL: angela.giron.senate@state.co.us
PHONE: 303-866-4878
WIN MARGIN: won by 4514 out of 45140; 10% win
NOTES: Adamantly anti-gun, doesn't listen to her constituents
NOTES SOURCE: http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/gun-advocates-confront-giron/article_e01e827c-78c3-11e2-b262-0019bb2963f4.html
STATUS: Unlikely, but STILL WRITE, and be civil.
SENATOR: Gail Schwartz (D)
EMAIL: gail.schwartz.senate@gmail.com
PHONE: 303-866-4871
WIN MARGIN: won by 1086 out of 51264; 2% win
NOTES: Probably for UBCs, but is a "strong supporter of 2A", (claimed), but has never owned a gun. Possibility.
NOTES SOURCE: http://www.gailschwartz.org/schwartz-visits-salida/
STATUS: Possibly reasonable, possible NO vote. Write to encourage this action.
UPDATE 1: 2/19/2013: Quite likely UNCOMMITTED, seems to be LISTENING TO CONSTITUENTS: To Arfcommer 'Spinone': "I remain committed to protecting Second Amendment rights, balanced with ensuring the safety of our citizens." / "Please continue to follow the legislation introduced this session on the general assembly’s website, and contact me with your comments on specific legislation. I value your opinion and will always consider the input of my district before casting my vote in the Colorado State Senate."
UPDATE 1 SOURCE: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_20/516992_List_of_possible_swayable_Dem_senators_on_1 224_1228_1226_1229___Write_call_before_FRIDAY_.htm l&page=1#i5618752
SENATOR: Jeanne Nicholson (D)
EMAIL: jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us
PHONE: 303-866-4873
WIN MARGIN: won by 658 out of 61106; 1% win
NOTES: No strong positions I can find on gun control. I'm guessing she'll be one of the last ones to press her vote button to see if she's safe with the majority on a pass.
STATUS: Question mark; weak/unsafe district. May have to remain moderate to keep seat. Try to write convincingly, state your case intelligently and try to appeal to reason.
SENATOR: Evie Hudak (D)
EMAIL: senatorhudak@gmail.com
PHONE: 303-866-4840
WIN MARGIN: won by 584 out of 75848; 0.7% win
NOTES: "0%" NRA position on gun rights" - but can't find much else. GC doesn't seem to be her main "thing", education seems to be.
STATUS: Question mark; weak/unsafe district. May have to remain moderate to keep seat. Try to write convincingly, state your case intelligently and try to appeal to reason.
SENATOR: Cheri Jahn (D)
EMAIL: cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us
PHONE: 303-866-4856
WIN MARGIN: won by 1826 out of 44650; 4% win
NOTES: "Holding gun manufacturers liable for injuries “appears to be very overreaching,” Democratic Sen. Cheri Jahn told the Post. “I think that could be on the extreme side.” - Possibly reasonable.
NOTES SOURCE: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/06/colorado-democrats-look-to-make-gun-manufacturers-liable-for-damage-done-by-assault-style-weapons/#ixzz2LJneWvR3
STATUS: Possibly reasonable, possible NO vote. Write to encourage this action.
UPDATE 1: Uncommitted on the bills currently. (2/19/2013)
UPDATE 1 SOURCE: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22613895/colorado-house-debate-gun-bills-again-but-limited
SENATOR: Andy Kerr (D)
EMAIL: andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us
PHONE: 303-866-4859
WIN MARGIN: won by 3837 out of 73853; 5% win
NOTES: 100% partisan voting record, F- NRA rating. Unlikely to change.
STATUS: Unlikely, but STILL WRITE, and be civil.
SENATOR: Lois Tochtrop (D)
EMAIL: lotochtrop@aol.com
PHONE: 303-866-4863
WIN MARGIN: won by 3695 out of 37805; 10% win
NOTES: Considered moderate. "purple districts “have to be very careful to vote their district’s sentiment” on the gun issue. ...“There is a lot of hysteria on both sides. I think we have to be moderate on these issues.”"" - Possibly reasonable.
NOTES SOURCE: http://thecoloradoobserver.com/2013/02/while-national-democrats-pull-back-on-gun-control-colorado-democrats-push-ahead/
STATUS: Possibly reasonable, possible NO vote. Write to encourage this action.
UPDATE 1: Uncommitted on the bills currently. (2/19/2013)
UPDATE 1 SOURCE: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22613895/colorado-house-debate-gun-bills-again-but-limited
SENATOR: Linda Newell (D)
EMAIL: linda.newell.senate@state.co.us
PHONE: 303-866-4846
WIN MARGIN: won by 5854 out of 71634; 8% win
NOTES: Scarce information on her position... Post if you know anything - I will continue researching.
STATUS: Question mark; weak/unsafe district. May have to remain moderate to keep seat. Try to write convincingly, state your case intelligently and try to appeal to reason.
CAVEATS:
These are senators in WEAK districts meaning they have to likely be moderate/compromising to retain their seat next election. OTHER (D) SENATORS COULD BE 2A FRIENDLY so DO NOT CONCENTRATE ONLY ON THESE.
PLEASE write all (R) senators as well as a single defector could mean the loss of this fight.
PLEASE remember to be CIVIL, SUCCINCT (Senators do not have time to read LONG emails); Friendly and not condeming. Angry/rambling emails can do more harm than good.
PLEASE write by Friday, 2/22 once these enter committee. After this we may have to write again before the second and third readings (and votes.)[/*]
PLEASE post with any responses you receive.
Will continue to update this as I get more. Please post or contact me with updates as well and I will add them.
But most importantly, DO NOT GIVE UP; CONTINUE TO CONTACT!
SUGGESTIONS: off the top of my head and from letters i've already written: (feel free to disagree but STAY CIVIL, do not be insulting or 'nutty' at possible swing voters!)
1224: - Hi Cap Ban: "Will not make anyone safer; WILL harm jobs and families, EXTREMELY common use (more common than 10 and 20 round mags!) NO reliable link between CO shootings and standard cap mags." / "Standard hunting/sporting equipment with rifles these days, do not penalize law abiding citizens."
1226: - Campus Carry Ban: "gun-free school zones, signs, laws, will never stop a criminal or a crazy" / "gun free school zones ensure law abiding students are defenseless" / "lack of CCW 'passion/argument/heated' shootings"; Students should not have to give up their rights because they are students; higher education - these are adults, who vote.
1228: - Background check fees: "Punishment tax" on people who have done nothing wrong; "killers" affect public health, not "gun owners".
1229: - Universal background checks: "Almost impossible to enforce, undue requirements on FFLs, makes some forms of family gifting of heirlooms impossible, will overload the InstaCheck system".
...Please don't just cut and paste this; Say it in your own words! We don't want them to think we're just echoing talking points.
SPECIFIC TO 1224: (1224 - mag limit - has been my 'focus' so here are some of what I've used in previous letters)
These are what appear to have the most mileage with (D) legislators.
The law won’t do what people think it will; it’ll DEFINITELY penalize law abiding folks but the idea that it’ll even save one life is only a hunch, and unlikely.
Correlation isn’t causation; Fields stated that “all of the mass killings have one thing in common – “high cap mags”. These are considered ‘standard cap mags’, and they come with every AR-15, the most popular rifle in the US for the last 15 years. So it is more likely that ‘mass killings have them as a thread simply because they are popular.’ Also "Less bullets = less crime" is a vast oversimplification.
More of these 30 round mags exist than 10 and 20 round mags combined. They are sold with every popular rifle. 10s and 20s are rare.
MagPul leaving in this economy will DEFINITELY devastate families. The social benefit of the mag ban is, again, nothing more than theoretical, it’ll certainly do harm, it’ll maybe (but unlikely) do good.
“Banning” and criminalizing non-criminals isn’t OK; there are a lot of other possible ideas besides an outright criminalization or illegalization of them.
Many guns in normal sporting use don’t even have 15 round mags; even ones that use 16 as a standard (Springfield XDm) would never be able to be repaired if broken, causing loss to a lot of folks without doing wrong.
Odds stacked against, for example, rural families far away from 911, since home invaders and violent criminals will not abide by the law. 'Families will be outgunned by criminals' who will have illegal capacity magazines, where citizens will not.
And lastly, underline: it won’t be effective, as crazies/murderers/criminals aren’t going to care at all about the legalities of bringing these magazines into state. Only law abiding folks will care; those who wish to commit mass killings will still do so.
Remember, use your own words, speak from the heart but do not get irate.
Thanks - It's not over yet.
..... Again, post if you have any corrections to this info, or additions.
NOTE: This list is not complete; these are based on iquack08's "Unsafe District" calculations. I'll continue to add research and responses.
Dem NO votes in safe but rural districts ARE STILL POSSIBLE!
UPDATE: WRITE TO GOV. HICKENLOOPER DIRECTLY HERE REGARDING THE SPECIFIC BILLS: http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requests/opinion-leg.html
Sent several emails. All in different tones. Hopefully one of them gets through to a few of them
Sent several emails. All in different tones. Hopefully one of them gets through to a few of them
I thought about sending different tones to dem versus repub.. but then I thought eff that, they all need to be held to the same standard. I'm also hoping.
iquack08
02-18-2013, 22:58
Well, we can forget Ulibarri on Judiciary voting 'no' in the mag ban. It's pretty much his foundation.
http://menrec.com/colorado-lawmaker-suggests-people-can-defend-against-gun-wielding-lunatics-by-using-ballpoint-pens/
Irene Aguilar doesn't look much better. She's the Assistant Majority Leader. I can't see how she'd defect.
Lucia Guzman is also big-time for an AWB, as quoted:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/07/aurora_theater_shooting_latino_officials_gun_contr ol.php?page=2
the usual "We don't need them on our streets"/ "they belong only in theatres of war" argument.
Agreed. Looking at the committee members, only Andy Kerr is a question mark and can affect the college campus bill and background check fee bill. The other two bills should sail through committee along partisan lines.
Agreed. Looking at the committee members, only Andy Kerr is a question mark and can affect the college campus bill and background check fee bill. The other two bills should sail through committee along partisan lines.
Looking around I've seen that Kerr has a 100% partisan voting record and an F- NRA record... What makes you think he's a question mark? (That's not a retort or a rhetorical question -- actually wondering what info you may have)
I suggest sending them actual letters. Send to
Senator Xxx
200 E. Colfax, Rm. 274
Denver CO
80203
From: EXXONV
Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights – VOTE NO on Gun Control
hey when i tried ti click and paste the email addresses it said
The message was not sent because of an error with the address \x27ted.harvey.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27kevin@kevinlundberg.com\x27, \x27larry.crowder.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27owen.hill.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27vicki.marble.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27mark.scheffel.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27steve.king.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27senatorrenfroe@gmail.com\x27, \x27ellen.roberts.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27greg@gregbrophy.net\x27, \x27bill.cadman.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27randy.baumgardner.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27david.balmer.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27kevin.grantham.senate@state.co.us\x27, <"Cc: \x27greg"@gregbrophy.net\x27>, \x27senatorlambert@comcast.net\x27.
any tips?
iquack08
02-18-2013, 23:46
Looking around I've seen that Kerr has a 100% partisan voting record and an F- NRA record... What makes you think he's a question mark? (That's not a retort or a rhetorical question -- actually wondering what info you may have)
I based my assumption on really nothing, so I had him as a question mark. But now that I know that, I guess it will go down to the floor vote. How do you look-up NRA ratings btw?
iquack08
02-18-2013, 23:51
any tips?
What are you using? Internet Explorer or something? Hmmm....trying copying and pasting into a notepad first - see if that works.
Good letter, needs a lot of editing work, such as spacing to separate the words.
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-18-2013, 23:52
Might wanna drop your address off there for public eyes... Not just forum members can read this section.
Had a pro-2A reply from Sen. Larry Crowder. Nothing else back yet.
Man, I'm feeling better and better about that Republican filibuster to prevent gay marriage that got them all booted last year.
For what it is worth, stupid members of the Democratic Party respond better to pleas to have the chance, and equal opportunity to defend yourself. Something along the lines of, "By passing this bill, you will be preventing many families the opportunity to protect themselves. Everybody deserves the chance to feel safe. Give our families the chance to defend themselves by throwing this bill out of commity!"
What are you using? Internet Explorer or something? Hmmm....trying copying and pasting into a notepad first - see if that works.
yeah..would about mircosoft word?
From: EXXONV
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:43 PM
To: 'angela.giron.senate@state.co.us'; 'gail.schwartz.senate@gmail.com'; 'john.morse.senate@state.co.us'; 'john.kefalas.senate@state.co.us'; 'jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us'; 'senatormattjones@gmail.com'; 'rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us'; 'senatorhudak@gmail.com'; 'cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us'; 'jessie.ulibarri.senate@state.co.us'; 'andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us'; 'lotochtrop@aol.com'; 'mary.hodge.senate@state.co.us'; 'linda.newell.senate@gmail.com'; 'nancy.todd.senate@state.co.us'; 'morgan.carroll.senate@state.co.us'; 'pat.steadman.senate@state.co.us'; 'irene.aguilar.senate@state.co.us'; 'mike.johnston.senate@state.co.us'; 'lucia.guzman.senate@state.co.us'
Cc: 'greg@gregbrophy.net'; 'kevin.grantham.senate@state.co.us'; 'mark.scheffel.senate@state.co.us'; 'ellen.roberts.senate@state.co.us'; 'steve.king.senate@state.co.us'; 'randy.baumgardner.senate@state.co.us'; 'senatorlambert@comcast.net'; 'owen.hill.senate@state.co.us'; 'bill.cadman.senate@state.co.us'; 'senatorrenfroe@gmail.com'; 'kevin@kevinlundberg.com'; 'vicki.marble.senate@state.co.us'; 'david.balmer.senate@state.co.us'; 'ted.harvey.senate@state.co.us'; 'larry.crowder.senate@state.co.us'
Subject: NO Gun Control - IT IS UP TO YOU To Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights
Colorado Senators,
Now it is up to you to defend our 2nd Amendment rights. I know many of you have already told me you intend to do just that – I know you have taken the same oath I did as a military veteran – To Defense the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We know what the 2nd Amendment says about our rights not being infringed. Unfortunately your counterparts in the House do not understand how the bills proposed infringe upon those rights.
HOW WILL YOU VOTE?
HB13-1229: Requiring background checks for all gun transactions – let’s consider the fact that in each case in recent history, those whose criminal actions have led to this current frenzy to remove our rights ALL purchased their firearms legally through the background check system with the exception of the monster Adam Lanza. Adam’s mother unfortunately lost her life because her son decided to kill her for her weapons, which she purchased legally. I am trying hard to understand HOW this bill would do anything to prevent another Adam Lanza, James Holmes, or a Jared Laughner from doing what those sick people did to others. Please tell me HOW…. I’ve not heard this from anyone. What this law does is infringe upon my right to sell a firearm privately to someone I know, who likely has a Colorado Conceal Carry Permit, or who has already passed background checks in their past. This is a direct attack against our 2nd Amendment rights (I can’t give a firearm I own to my son???) – and for WHAT reason? Please someone tell me. How is this not infringing upon our 2nd Amendment right?
HB13-1226: banning concealed weapons on campuses – college age students are old enough to vote, buy booze, buy pot (I’m sure that’ll be coming soon), and to buy guns, but they are not allowed to carry them on campus? What is the rationale? Has anyone look at the FBI data around violent gun use at college campuses? What did that say? The massacre at Virginia Tech was conducted in a GUN FREE ZONE. The evil murderer Cho, an individual adjudicated as mentally unsound, was allowed to purchase handguns without detection by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). See HB13-1229 – the irony of this is sickening. Cho legally bought the firearms that he used to murder innocent people with in a gun free zone. Is your intent to have this happen MORE OFTEN in our state? How is this not infringing upon our 2nd Amendment right?
HB13-1228: instituting a fee for gun buyers to cover the cost of the CBI to perform background checks – this is not gun safety, this is a gun tax. We pay Federal and state taxes today, and yet this bill says we need to pay tax for the mandatory background check. See HB13-1229 – the House wants to make this background check mandatory for all transactions, and they want to tax us for it as well? First off, how does this make anyone safe? Second, this is self-serving – all dealer transactions require a background check by law (to include gunshows), and yet the House wants to make all sales require a background check, and then make gun owners pay a tax for that mandatory requirement. How is this not infringing upon our 2nd Amendment right?
HB13-1224: limiting magazines to 15 rounds – the absolute worst of the lot. Someone has to explain how limiting anything from whatever to 15-rounds makes anyone safe. Where is the research to prove this to be true? The truth is that states with 10-round magazine bans DO NOT see a decrease in crime. Those states with the most draconian laws have a higher rate of violent crime nationally. Worse than this, the bill infringes upon our right to defend ourselves effectively by telling us (law abiding gun owners) that we can only have 15 rounds. Does ANYONE believe that criminals will follow this law? Do you really believe James Holmes, Adam Lanza, or Jared Laughner would follow these laws? The answer is NO – you know it, and we know it. Plus, a Colorado Business that is profitable, and produced outstanding equipment (Magpul) will be forced to move because of this legislation. Even if they are provided an amendment, they will need to move to avoid being boycotted for hypocrisy. HOW does limiting our rights to more than 15-round KEEP ANYONE SAFE? Please explain this to me – I’m just a simple American Military Veteran and a director of church security for a large church in the Denver Metro area. I must be too simple to see the obvious reasons – but I’ve talked to a great many angry Coloradans who also fail to see how this will keep anyone safer, except for the criminals. How is this bill not infringing upon our 2nd Amendment right?
Take away jobs, remove our ability to have the same capacity magazines as criminals, tax us for mandatory background checks, ban conceal carry for mature adults on campus to make those killing zones, and require background checks for all private transactions. Sounds like the House bills do nothing but infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights.
HOW DO THESE BILLS KEEP US SAFER? What has the House proposed that would keep us safe – nothing… There is NOTHING about mental illness – nothing about enforcing our current laws, nothing about removing gun free zones for legal conceal carry holders, nothing for keeping us safer. The opposite is true – restrict, regulate, tax, and infringe…
Remember this – Colorado Gun Owners span both parties and make up quite a few “independent voters”. If these bills pass, you can bet that Colorado Gun Owners across all parties, and backgrounds will all make the necessary changes in 2014 and 2016 to ensure that our 2nd Amendment Rights are NEVER AGAIN infringed upon.
Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights – VOTE NO on Gun Control
DONT FORGET TO ADD I WILL REMEBER THIS WHEN I AM VOTING.
losttrail
02-19-2013, 06:19
I have no confidence that ANY politician with a (D) designator will stand up for our rights. The modern Democrat party views the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a hindrance to their socialist agenda. Any politician that maintains there allegiance to the Democrat party and the Democrat party manifesto, is an enemy of freedom, personal responsibility, the Constitution and the BoR.
husky390
02-19-2013, 09:49
Man, I'm feeling better and better about that Republican filibuster to prevent gay marriage that got them all booted last year.
For what it is worth, stupid members of the Democratic Party respond better to pleas to have the chance, and equal opportunity to defend yourself. Something along the lines of, "By passing this bill, you will be preventing many families the opportunity to protect themselves. Everybody deserves the chance to feel safe. Give our families the chance to defend themselves by throwing this bill out of commity!"
Agreed. I'm thinking this is payback for blowing off the vote.
When will the committees begin hearings on the bills?
muddywings
02-19-2013, 10:13
emails sent.
Thanks to OP!!
E-mail sent AND made a phone call. Even though I knew my district 13 senator, Senator Renfroe - R, would be voting no. Never hurts to confirm that and make your voice heard.
hey when i tried ti click and paste the email addresses it said
The message was not sent because of an error with the address \x27ted.harvey.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27kevin@kevinlundberg.com\x27, \x27larry.crowder.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27owen.hill.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27vicki.marble.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27mark.scheffel.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27steve.king.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27senatorrenfroe@gmail.com\x27, \x27ellen.roberts.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27greg@gregbrophy.net\x27, \x27bill.cadman.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27randy.baumgardner.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27david.balmer.senate@state.co.us\x27, \x27kevin.grantham.senate@state.co.us\x27, <"Cc: \x27greg"@gregbrophy.net\x27>, \x27senatorlambert@comcast.net\x27.
any tips?
Remove the quotes around their email addresses.
funkfool
02-19-2013, 12:23
Here is mine:
Hello,
I am a member of a Colorado firearm enthusiast forum that currently has 6,252 members.
We are closely monitoring the votes on these ineffective gun measures and we will ACTIVELY campaign AGAINST those that vote for them.
Both independently and as a group, we will seek to defeat ALL those who support these measures in the next election cycle.
Have you even read the Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies memo produced by Deputy Director Ridgeway of the National Institute of Justice?
It seems you haven't and are just legislating based on emotion and not fact.
I will attach that memo and I urge you to read it carefully and try to comprehend the conclusions within it.
It covers every proposed bit of legislation and proves that they WILL NOT WORK.
Not only are you doing the wrong thing logically, but also morally and legally.
You have sworn an oath to protect that which you are currently working to undermine.
We WILL NOT forget.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXX
Colorado Springs Colorado, 80906
funkfool
02-19-2013, 12:33
Step by step - faxing your legislators:
Step 1. Go to the FaxZero (http://faxzero.com/) Website and fill out the required sender and receiver information.
(Send to: 303-866-2218) - I believe this is correct as previously stated.)
Step 2. Click the Choose File button to upload the document.
(Or put your message in the box for the cover sheet.)
Step 3.Type in the confirmation code that appears on the site; doing so verifies that you are a human and not an automated program. Click Send Free Fax Now.
Faxing Paper:
If you want to fax a physical document from your computer, you need to scan and save the document to your PC and then attach that file to your fax before sending via any of the above methods.
Agreed. I'm thinking this is payback for blowing off the vote.
When will the committees begin hearings on the bills?
Friday.
A lot of folks are sending 'angry' emails and long emails.. They don't respond well to this.
Friday.
A lot of folks are sending 'angry' emails and long emails.. They don't respond well to this.
Agree.
Keep it short. Keep it polite and to the point.
Fax needs to go to one individual at a time. If you're blasting e-mails, which are relatively useless with most reps, use BCC so only a single recipient shows on their end.
Make the subject line "VOTE NO on XXXX"
Make a brief statement of your opposition.
If you wish, make a brief statement of how the bill will negatively affect you.
Don't write long paragraphs.
Use bullets if needed.
Make it EASY to read.
Highlight relevant buzzwords or short statements of fact.
Add your name and location.
I've kept it very short in my letters. "I urge you to oppose HBxxxx. The voters are watching."
Keep up the pressure folks. Be polite, concise and discreet. I can't really say more, but it is working, still far from over. Get your friends form out of state to post on the Hicks facebook page too.
whitbaby
02-19-2013, 17:49
Keep up the pressure folks. Be polite, concise and discreet. I can't really say more, but it is working, still far from over. Get your friends form out of state to post on the Hicks facebook page too.
Mark -
How can you really say "...it is working..." ???
We just lost everything we wanted in the House...
T.rexford
02-19-2013, 17:53
Mark -
How can you really say "...it is working..." ???
We just lost everything we wanted in the House...
It may not be working but we've got to keep trying. Rolling over and quitting now is not an option in my mind.
Mark -
How can you really say "...it is working..." ???
We just lost everything we wanted in the House...
If you really thought it would not pass the house, you have not been paying attention. The Senate is a tougher sell.
Saying we "lost" is what they want. It is like when the stock market goes down and you say you lost 5%. No, you did not, because you did not take the money out yet. We have not lost unless it gets signed into law, and even then there are paths. Problem is too many people tossing rocks and not enough people actually involved. I am not bashing ANY COAR15 members. You all have been great. But, how many people are gun owners who have still done NOTHING? The answer is more than 99%!
I sent email and faxes to all of the Dems on the committees today, and have yet to see a reply from any one of them. Over a dozen people "liked" my post on Hick's facebook page. i noticed that 100% of the posts that I saw there concerning this issue are urging him to veto this shit...
Dear Senator,
Please oppose all bills which aim to restrict 2nd Amendment rights in our state of Colorado including:
HB13-1229: requiring background checks for all gun transactions; Judiciary & Appropriations
HB13-1226: banning concealed weapons on campuses; Education & Appropriations
HB13-1228: instituting a fee for gun buyers to cover the cost of the CBI to perform background checks; Finance & Appropriations
HB13-1224: limiting magazines to 15 rounds; Judiciary
My family, friends, and community are closely watching your actions and will vote accordingly in the next elections.
Sincerely,
bogie
U.S. Citizen
Colorado Resident
I've gotten two responses so far...
I am and will be a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. I took an oath to uphold the constitution, and I take seriously and will stand by this I hope to hear more from you in the future. All gun bills still have to come before the Senate. Also, I am not towing a line with a party, As a veteran I actually believe what I say in this e-mail
Larry Crowder
State Senator
Thank you for taking the time to write. We are swamped with emails right now, but yours is important to me and I try to read all of them, especially the shorter ones.
I will vote against any bill that infringes on the Second Amendment, including 1224, 1226, 1228 and 1229, and will support any bill that expands rights for law abiding gun owners.
I am very worried about the negative impacts of these bills to individual liberty, safety and jobs in Colorado. I cannot believe that we are even this close to passing them.
I want you to remember who has been pushing these bills that infringe upon our Second Amendment. No Republican will vote for any of these bills. These bills are supported only by Democrats; even the few Democrats who voted against them in the House voted to enable Democrat Leadership to ram these bills through.
Never forget that. Make sure that you hold them accountable in the next election cycle.
Senator Greg Brophy
T.rexford
02-19-2013, 20:04
I sent email and faxes to all of the Dems on the committees today, and have yet to see a reply from any one of them.
I received replies from Republicans from my emails today. All total, from sending emails and faxes everyday, I think I've heard from 5 democrats total. I think sending them to everyone (dems and reps) helps to solidify the 'no' position and may even give them a confidence boost. It doesn't hurt and if they go into it knowing their constituents are for it then their arguments will be even stronger. So IMO it can only help.
Holger Danske
02-19-2013, 20:43
The Denver Post ran an article today stating that Sen. Lois Tochtrop, D-Thornton and Sen. Cheri Jahn, D-Wheat Ridge are two democrats known for their support of gun rights and are uncommited to the bills. Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22613895/colorado-house-debate-gun-bills-again-but-limited.
Keep up you emails, faxes, phone calls and mailings. Let Sen. Tochtrop and Jahn know where we stand.
When is the senate vote?
At this point, the 4 bills are assigned to committees and they are still working on the Senate bills. So it will likeley be 2 to 3 weeks before they schedule committee hearings. There are more bills written and some in writing realted to this issue, so there is some uncertainty what effect that may have. The Senators I spoke with today have told me they are getting slammed with emails, call and letters. A few of the Ds have engaged in meaningful dialog with people I know and myself. They have been open and repsectful on the phone, more so than in writing...take that for what it is worth. The Ds I have spoken with have expressed some concern over one or two bills, but plan to vote in favor of one or more.
I have heard from a few sources that the commitee votes may be on Friday.
With Jahn and Tochtrop swayable, we need to concentrate on them in a CIVIL and RATIONAL manner; but we also need to sway one more... At least. We need to try to overshoot here.
Have we heard of ANY swayable dems besides Tochtrop and Jahn?
This is our last chance.
osok-308
02-19-2013, 22:14
How many Dems do we need to vote no for this not to pass?
Jackrabbit
02-19-2013, 22:18
3, I believe.
osok-308
02-19-2013, 22:33
And forgive me for not knowing this, but if the senate squashes the bill, is it flat out dead, or do they try to reintroduce it somehow?
I think this issue will be just like the gay marriage and marijuana iniatives. They failed over and over again, but the left is relentless. They don't give up. We need to be more ruthless and relentless like they are. Let's first focus on the current battle though, and worry about future ones as soon as this one is won or lost. Literally, I think if we somehow win this battle, we should immediately go on the offense. First things first though.
husky390
02-19-2013, 22:45
Dear Senator,
Please oppose all bills which aim to restrict 2nd Amendment rights in our state of Colorado including:
HB13-1229: requiring background checks for all gun transactions; Judiciary & Appropriations
HB13-1226: banning concealed weapons on campuses; Education & Appropriations
HB13-1228: instituting a fee for gun buyers to cover the cost of the CBI to perform background checks; Finance & Appropriations
HB13-1224: limiting magazines to 15 rounds; Judiciary
My family, friends, and community are closely watching your actions and will vote accordingly in the next elections.
Sincerely,
bogie
U.S. Citizen
Colorado Resident
I've gotten two responses so far...
Stole it and sent. Except I edited out the committees. Thank you. I'll post up if I receive a reply. And Hick's FB page is classic. Anytime they post something positive about CO, people are slamming them on these issues. My favorite is the post bragging about CO's export growth.
And forgive me for not knowing this, but if the senate squashes the bill, is it flat out dead, or do they try to reintroduce it somehow?
Bills can still be introduced. There are more waiting and some still being drafted. These bills are likley to make it out of the senate committees. So it will be a full vote.
Holger Danske
02-19-2013, 22:59
Here is my latest email, which is longer than most I sent. I've borrowed bits and pieces from other folks and added some of my own content in.
I hope that you will vote NO and voice your opposition to all 4 of the Firearms proposals that have passed the Colorado House today. These misguided,“fast patch” responses to some extraordinary firearms events in the past yearand will do nothing to protect the general public. In fact , theultraviolent cultures that have evolved in cities like Chicago and Washington D.C. have become worse after the enactment of similar types of laws. Itis my opinion that the State of Colorado will only increase the likelihood ofinnocent people being hurt by enacting these laws.
Magazine Limits –
Banning the sale and transferof magazines that hold over 15 rounds will have no impact on the thousands ofColorado Citizens that already own millions of high capacity magazines. Additionally, since there are generally no restrictions on selling these highcapacity magazines in other states, added to the fact that you will lose the mainmanufacturer of these magazines in Colorado, will make this lawunenforceable. This is because no manufacturer will date their magazines,as required of Colorado magazine manufacturers after the law is enacted. The law will be unenforceable. Unless someone gets caught crossing the borderwith these banned magazines, they will not get caught. Also,don’t ban the standard magazine for whole classes of weapons that are used andcarried, legally and safely, buy thousands of Coloradans. Additionally, this is a job killer for Colorado and if enacted, Colorado will lose 200 direct jobs andhundreds of other supplier and contractor jobs when MagPul leaves thestate. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22601993/magpuls-departure-could-crack-plastics-industry-manufacturer-says (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22601993/magpuls-departure-could-crack-plastics-industry-manufacturer-says)
Banning Private Sales –
The only realistic wayto enforce this law is to require registration of all firearms – which isthe first steps in another slippery slope. I hope you appreciate wherethat will lead. At a minimum, the legislature should wait until the Federalgovernment takes action on how they are going to deal with the federalbackground checks.
Charging for BackgroundChecks –
First, the state should payfor this required step in acquiring a firearm. This is a 2ndamendment issue and one should not be charged by the government to exercise aright guarantee by the 2nd amendment of the Bill of Rights. Second, banning private sales without background checks will lead to thecreation of a new black market in firearms within the borders of Colorado.
The most frightening aspectof enacting these three laws, is that they will drive up the prices of new, andvalue of existing, guns and magazines in Colorado. This will lead tocriminals taking the risk to bypass these laws. The Vice President’s Chiefof Staff states that this already happens in Chicago. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bidens-chief-staff-gangsters-smuggling-guns-suburbs-chicago (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bidens-chief-staff-gangsters-smuggling-guns-suburbs-chicago)
Once this black market startsin Colorado, it will not be stopped. It will make the risk worth thereward for illegal gun sellers.
Firearms on CollegeCampuses –
One person with a legal firearm could have stopped the killings at Virginia Tech. As Wayne LaPierrestates, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." This is even more true in an unarmed, closed campus situation when someone is determined to harm others. State Rep Joe Salazar, D-Thornton made headlines nationwide with the ridiculous suggestion that innocent, law-abiding, and young college women aren't capable of deciding if they are being raped and should not be allowed to carry a concealed weapon becuase they lack any discernment. http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/about-to-be-raped-democrat-suggests-whistling/ This bill will not make campuses safer and seeks to discriminate on federally protected classes based on age and gender.
Our goal should be to protectlaw abiding citizens and give them the Right to Liberty. You give them this Liberty by allowing them protect their families, their children, their homes, their possessions and/or themselves from those that wish to do them harm and taketheir possessions.
Reprecussions of a Yes Vote
If you vote for these bills you are likely to face recall elections.
If you are up for re-election in 2014, you will face still opposition from voters. Is it worth the sacrifice of your career for "feel good" legislation, which does nothing to lower crime?
Gun owners are planning to boycott Colorado Hunting and Fishing reducing revenue for Colorado Parks and Wildlife and sales revenue from the general fund. Do you want the blame for reduced revenue in these economic times?
The loss of 600 jobs as Magpul and other companies leave Colorado.
The loss of tourism revenue and further impact to the general fund as gun owning tourists and out of state hunters boycott Colorado because of the these bills.
Lack of support from Colorado sherriffs in enforcing any new laws.
Civil Disobedience
Jury Nullification
New amendments to the Colorado Constitution in support of 2A rights.
HOW WILL YOU VOTE?
Lets stop calling it 600 jobs. It is WAY more than that!
I think this issue will be just like the gay marriage and marijuana iniatives. They failed over and over again, but the left is relentless. They don't give up. We need to be more ruthless and relentless like they are. Let's first focus on the current battle though, and worry about future ones as soon as this one is won or lost. Literally, I think if we somehow win this battle, we should immediately go on the offense. First things first though.
I first moved to Colorado because it was the shining example of personal freedoms working successfully in our country. Sad to see they are slowly trying to change it into California. You want to get stoned peacefully? I don't care. You want to be allowed marry your gay partner? I'm okay with that too. Hell if you're a gay gun owner that's even better! I just hope our pleas don't fall on deaf ears. As a minority gun owner I hope these politicians at least consider that not every gun owner falls under the stereotype portrayed in the media. That being said, REMEMBER TO KEEP YOUR EMAILS SHORT!! Long emails are less likely to be read!!
iquack08
02-19-2013, 23:14
I just received a mail delivery failed notice for:
angela.giron.senate@state.co.us (D-3)
david.balmer.senate@state.co.us (R-27) --> routed to davidbalmer@earthlink.net
I double-checked the e-mails, and they are correct. Seems that their inboxes might be full? Anyways, I added another one of Balmer's e-mails to the list - david@davidbalmer.com (taken from his official website).
Did anybody else have this problem?
iquack08
02-19-2013, 23:37
The Denver Post ran an article today stating that Sen. Lois Tochtrop, D-Thornton and Sen. Cheri Jahn, D-Wheat Ridge are two democrats known for their support of gun rights and are uncommited to the bills. Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22613895/colorado-house-debate-gun-bills-again-but-limited.
Keep up you emails, faxes, phone calls and mailings. Let Sen. Tochtrop and Jahn know where we stand.
Good to know! I'm going to edit my first post to highlight this.
OP:
According to some responses received over on arfcom, Gail Schwartz may have doubts or be swayable too.
Consider putting her name in red. (Up to you after you read the response.)
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_20/516992_List_of_possible_swayable_Dem_senators_on_1 224_1228_1226_1229___Write_call_before_FRIDAY_.htm l&page=1#i5618752
And yes, the number we need is 3.
If it dies in the senate, it could be reintroduced, but it's unlikely to be in the same form or as restrictive.
ALSO: WRITE TO GOV. HICKENLOOPER DIRECTLY HERE ON THE BILLS: http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requests/opinion-leg.html
keylay31
02-20-2013, 00:57
Want to stop the 4 gun control bills? These Dem state senators is where you start: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22613895/colorado-house-debate-gun-bills-again-but-limited?source=pkg
What are the chances a CO Republican would support these bills?
Has anyone gotten a response from Kent Lambert? I emailed him several days ago and haven't heard anything.
iquack08
02-20-2013, 11:46
OP:
According to some responses received over on arfcom, Gail Schwartz may have doubts or be swayable too.
Consider putting her name in red. (Up to you after you read the response.)
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_20/516992_List_of_possible_swayable_Dem_senators_on_1 224_1228_1226_1229___Write_call_before_FRIDAY_.htm l&page=1#i5618752
And yes, the number we need is 3.
If it dies in the senate, it could be reintroduced, but it's unlikely to be in the same form or as restrictive.
ALSO: WRITE TO GOV. HICKENLOOPER DIRECTLY HERE ON THE BILLS: http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requests/opinion-leg.html
I wouldn't give to much weight regarding what is said in an e-mail response. Those are usually written by aides or interns but are directed by the elected official somewhat. I would know.
IMO though, she is probably the only chance at #3. She represents a competitive district and is up for reelection in the next cycle. I would like to know what she's saying in person or by phone.
What are the chances a CO Republican would support these bills?
If they're feeling suicidal they will (politically speaking, that is). 0 Republicans in the House voted yes, every last one voted no on all 4 bills. Safe to say we just need to twist the crap out of Dems arms.
vectorsc
02-20-2013, 14:22
Sent an email reminding the Dems that WE care about this and their regular voting base DO NOT. If they vote against this - they will WIN the election.
PUEBLO – Senator Angela Giron will host an informal Community Coffee for her constituents at the CPC and Colorado WINS office at 304 S. Union in Pueblo, this Saturday, February 2nd from 9:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m.. Senator Giron holds open dialogue Community Coffees on the first Saturday of each month. Residents are encouraged come and engage in discussion, ask questions and share ideas. All of her town hall meetings and community conversations are free, non-partisan, and open to the public.
She has been harshly attacked by folks on the gun lobby side, so if you go, be polite and concise.
We take a step forwrd with the Dem Senators and some knucklehead attacks them without even knowing where they stand. They are people too. Post #77 is accurate.
Want to know what we are dealing with...
Read this: http://news.yahoo.com/brain-scans-predict-political-ideology-160852908.html
If you can understand it and appeal to the way they think, we win. When you try to bash them with the way we think, we lose. Pure and simple folks!
Birddog1911
02-20-2013, 15:14
This is what Sen. Aguilar, or should I say one of her aides, wrote to me today:
First and foremost I want to assure you that NONE of the bills will result in restriction of the constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. These bills have not yet been referred to the Senate. When they do come to the Senate, I will look at all sides before I make any decisions.
Please feel free to contact me again with any further concerns.
Sincerely,
Senator Irene Aguilar, MD
And this was my response:
Honestly, Senator, I cannot believe that you, or one of your aides, managed to write that with a straight face. What is it about "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? How can you possibly tell me that by criminalizing the act of transfering a firearm to my own brother does not restrict my rights?
How can you tell me that by restricting the amount of rounds that I am allowed to have in a magazine is not restricting my rights? As anyone with an ounce of common sense can tell you, violent home invasions are on the rise, and criminals are resorting to multiple assailants entering during a home invasion. But you're going to try and tell me that I can only have a 15 round magazine, while those same criminals do not give a damn about your ridiculous law. How is it that you so easily cannot see the fact that criminals do not obey laws, by their very nature, or is it that you have so much contempt for law abiding citizens that you willingly ignore facts and logic?
Be forewarned, Senator, that the law abiding citizens of Colorado are watching, and we will take measure of who votes for these horrendous laws, and those who choose to vote for them will reap what they sow. They will be recalled, they will be voted out of office, and they will understand that We The People are sick of being ignored!
Birddog1911
Citizen, Peyton, Colorado
husky390
02-20-2013, 16:49
This is what Sen. Aguilar, or should I say one of her aides, wrote to me today:
First and foremost I want to assure you that NONE of the bills will result in restriction of the constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. These bills have not yet been referred to the Senate. When they do come to the Senate, I will look at all sides before I make any decisions.
Please feel free to contact me again with any further concerns.
Sincerely,
Senator Irene Aguilar, MD
And this was my response:
Honestly, Senator, I cannot believe that you, or one of your aides, managed to write that with a straight face. What is it about "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? How can you possibly tell me that by criminalizing the act of transfering a firearm to my own brother does not restrict my rights?
How can you tell me that by restricting the amount of rounds that I am allowed to have in a magazine is not restricting my rights? As anyone with an ounce of common sense can tell you, violent home invasions are on the rise, and criminals are resorting to multiple assailants entering during a home invasion. But you're going to try and tell me that I can only have a 15 round magazine, while those same criminals do not give a damn about your ridiculous law. How is it that you so easily cannot see the fact that criminals do not obey laws, by their very nature, or is it that you have so much contempt for law abiding citizens that you willingly ignore facts and logic?
Be forewarned, Senator, that the law abiding citizens of Colorado are watching, and we will take measure of who votes for these horrendous laws, and those who choose to vote for them will reap what they sow. They will be recalled, they will be voted out of office, and they will understand that We The People are sick of being ignored!
Birddog1911
Citizen, Peyton, Colorado
I got the same response from her. I need to relax a little and collect my thoughts before responding to her liberal bullshit. But, it seems like my reply to hers will be pretty much on par with yours.
iquack08
02-20-2013, 16:52
Added FB pages for some of the key Dems. Some FB pages are open for comments and are open for messages.
FB is usually a more direct line to the elected officials - bypassing the aides and interns.
Birddog1911
02-20-2013, 18:33
Noticed that outsiders can't comment on most of those FB pages.
husky390
02-20-2013, 22:36
My response to Senator Aguilar.
Thank you for the reply,
However I must disagree with you. The bills that are being heard in the Senate Committees do infringe on CO residents rights to bear arms. Limiting magazines to 15 rounds will do nothing to prevent the recent tragedies and only harm law abiding citizens.
Requiring a 4473 for every firearm transaction limits law abiding citizens to their access of firearms and is unenforceable. Criminals who cannot purchase firearms legally are not going to comply and will continue to purchase firearms from the black market.
Requiring a purchaser of a firearm to pay a fee for a 4473 is a TAX. And I'm here to tell you, if I have to pay a tax for a 4473, then I had better not have to wait 7 days for the background check to go through.
And lastly, contrary to what your colleagues in the House might say or think of CCW holders, we are some of the most responsible gun owners in the state. We have taken a class and gone through training, we have paid money for our license, and we have been through an FBI background check. When someone has willingly put themselves through that type of scrutiny and put that responsibility on themselves that person takes it seriously and are not gun toting "cowboys" as we have been portrayed. Restricting people from carrying their concealed weapon on a college campus will only make them easy targets for criminals.
I would like to ask you a few questions. Do you really think criminals care what laws you pass? Do you really think a bill limiting the amount of cartridges that can be stored in a magazine will stop the next James Holmes from obtaining standard capacity magazines? It took police and bomb squad members up to three days just to gain access to his apartment. Do you really think these new laws will stop someone with that kind of determination from harming people? They're criminals for a reason and will continue to break the laws you pass.
All these laws will do is put further unneeded restrictions on good, honest, hardworking, law abiding citizens that vote. I ask you to reconsider your position and put time and energy where it's really needed and that is in a better mental health system and enforcing the existing gun laws that are on the books. Please do not turn this state into a California, New York, or New Jersey. That's not why I moved here.
We will be watching and remembering how you vote on this. If you choose to limit mine and other law abiding citizens freedoms and push jobs out of state, then we will have no choice but to campaign against you in the next election.
Thank you,
I created an account here just to say "keep up the great work!". I don't live in Colorado (Washington State), but we are likely moving there this summer. Thanks folks!
battle_sight_zero
02-20-2013, 23:46
Regardless of how these guys vote, these bills have been very stressful. Personally I have been stressed and have got pretty ill from the constant stress. Let's say this junk does not pass , I am not going rest on my laurels hoping this is over. I still say there should be a movement tp recall the clowns behind this and a tremendous effort on the next election to rid ourselves of these people. I still believe what is going on is the demoncrats are trying to bitch slap us for perceived injustices or just show their power. The know the 2nd is one of our most passionate belief, so they to f with it to basically throw mudd into our faces.
husky390
02-21-2013, 09:03
Regardless of how these guys vote, these bills have been very stressful. Personally I have been stressed and have got pretty ill from the constant stress. Let's say this junk does not pass , I am not going rest on my laurels hoping this is over. I still say there should be a movement tp recall the clowns behind this and a tremendous effort on the next election to rid ourselves of these people. I still believe what is going on is the demoncrats are trying to bitch slap us for perceived injustices or just show their power. The know the 2nd is one of our most passionate belief, so they to f with it to basically throw mudd into our faces.
Agreed. I think this is a little bit of payback for letting the civil union bill die in committee last year. I do think there should be a push for a State Constitutional amendment of some sort to prevent restrictions on firearms.
At the debate hosted By Hickenlooper on Tuesday, I asked both Rhonda Fields and John Morse if they would be ok with putting me in prison if I were caught inadvertently violating the magazine ban.
Neither of them hesitated in their answer that, yes, they would be happy to lock me up for a year just for having a magazine.
Note that I'm a law abiding taxpayer with a job, mortgage, and a kid, and neither of those two had a problem with destroying my life and the lives of my family simply for having a metal box with a spring in it.
Simply put, these people are completely irrational and the time to try to persuade them with reason has long since passed.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.
Teufelhund
02-21-2013, 13:44
Thank you for the consolidated list of email addresses. Emails sent. Again.
Does anyone have a schedule for the Senate Committee hearings on these bills? I couldn't find any info on the Colorado General Assembly site.
At the debate hosted By Hickenlooper on Tuesday, I asked both Rhonda Fields and John Morse if they would be ok with putting me in prison if I were caught inadvertently violating the magazine ban.
Neither of them hesitated in their answer that, yes, they would be happy to lock me up for a year just for having a magazine.
Note that I'm a law abiding taxpayer with a job, mortgage, and a kid, and neither of those two had a problem with destroying my life and the lives of my family simply for having a metal box with a spring in it.
Simply put, these people are completely irrational and the time to try to persuade them with reason has long since passed.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.
makes just as much sense as our drug laws. lets tear apart your life and throw you in jail because you put the wrong seed in your garden.
I got a reply from Aguilar, here is her reply and my rebuttal below that:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Irene <ireneaguilar.md@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for contacting me with your concerns regarding the recently introduced firearm safety bills here at the State Legislature.
Our nation has a rich history of responsible gun ownership and we guarantee extensive rights for gun owners. None of Colorado's proposed legislation would remove the right of responsible citizens to bear arms.
I recognize and support the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns. None of the proposals before the legislature would violate the 2nd Amendment as interpreted by the Supreme Court.
Thank you again for contacting me with your concerns.
Sincerely,
Senator Irene Aguilar, MD
Chair, Senate Health and Human Services Committee
The Office of Senator Irene Aguilar, M.D.State Capitol, Room 266
303-866-4852 (tel:303-866-4852)
www.aguilarfor32.com (http://www.aguilarfor32.com/)
This was my response below:
Dear Senator,
I will politely disagree with your stance on the measures. Limiting magazine capacity will only punish those who obey the rules vs. a criminal that will disregard the law anyway if they are intent on harming others. As for carrying on college campuses, if there has been no incident of misuse or abuse of carrying on campus why change a law that isn't broken? Are women not allowed to choose their own method of defense against an attacker? I am also curious to know how does one justify legalizing a federally banned substance such as cannabis, while proposing to limit Second Amendment rights on law abiding citizens? The wonderful thing that made Colorado a special place for personal liberties before all of these bills were brought forth, was that people were given more latitude to enjoy their personal freedoms responsibly without interference from others. Even with two highly publicized criminal incidents, they spanned more than 10 years apart and are not the norm in a state where crime is much lower than in other places in the country. Compare that with places like Chicago, and Los Angeles which have high violent crime rates that have very strict gun control laws. Are those people being kept safe? I would like to believe that Colorado is still the place where the individual can enjoy freedoms other states can only dream of, let's not punish those who live justly for the actions of a small number of violent thugs.
Sincerely,
Epyon
husky390
02-21-2013, 16:45
At the debate hosted By Hickenlooper on Tuesday, I asked both Rhonda Fields and John Morse if they would be ok with putting me in prison if I were caught inadvertently violating the magazine ban.
Neither of them hesitated in their answer that, yes, they would be happy to lock me up for a year just for having a magazine.
Note that I'm a law abiding taxpayer with a job, mortgage, and a kid, and neither of those two had a problem with destroying my life and the lives of my family simply for having a metal box with a spring in it.
Simply put, these people are completely irrational and the time to try to persuade them with reason has long since passed.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little after reading that. What a bunch of douchebags.
battle_sight_zero
02-21-2013, 17:13
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little after reading that. What a bunch of douchebags.
Checking on Mr.Morse he is termed limited and will be out in 2014. However he has bought an Apartment in another area so he can run for office again. He has big goals so be aware he will do what he can to stay in the political picture.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2010/02/20/john-morses-passion-pit-s_n_470224.html
iquack08
02-21-2013, 18:19
I'm happy to announce that we made the front page of the subreddit r/guns:
http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/18yass/we_only_need_3_dem_senators_to_switch_to_stop_cos/
We're getting some help from people across the nation. Thank you to the person who posted that!
iquack08
02-22-2013, 12:23
B/c there's news that Hickenlooper might be reconsidering HB13-1224, his information has been added.
Blockhead
02-22-2013, 12:36
B/c there's news that Hickenlooper might be reconsidering HB13-1224, his information has been added.
Source?
Teufelhund
02-22-2013, 12:37
It appears Ms. Aguilar's response has been amended to remove the most offensive parts:
Thank you for participating in the legislative process, I value your input.
These bills have not yet been referred to the Senate. When they do come to the Senate, I will look at all sides before I make any decisions.
Please feel free to contact me again with any further concerns.
Sincerely,
Senator Irene Aguilar, MD
At least something is getting through to them.
iquack08
02-22-2013, 12:53
Source?
I added the link to my first post.
funkfool
02-22-2013, 13:07
Contact info for some that may be swayed...
http://coloradosenate.org/home/directory/member-directory
Contact the Senator Senator Angela Giron, District 3
Vice Chair, Senate Finance
Member, Senate Judiciary
Member, Agriculture and Natural Resources
Member, Appropriations
303-866-4878
angela.giron.senate@state.co.us
Contact Senator Irene Aguilar, MD
State Capitol Building, Room 338
Denver, Colorado 80203
(303) 866-4852; (303) 866-4543 (fax)
irene.aguilar.senate@state.co.us
Louis Irwin
Policy Director
lnirwin@gmail.com
Susan Lontine
Chief of Staff
srlontine@gmail.com
Ivan Miller
Health Care Policy Advisor
ivanjmiller.aguilar@gmail.com
Owen Perkins
Campaign Manager
Director of Communications
Owen@AguilarFor32, Press@AguilarFor32.com
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Contact the Colorado Senate Majority Office
COLORADO SENATE MAJORITY COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
State Capitol Building Room 249
200 E Colfax Ave
Denver, CO 80203
Phone: (303) 866-3342
Fax: (303) 866-5319
Staff Listing:
Kjersten Forseth
Chief of Staff
(303) 866-3827
kjersten.forseth@state.co.us
Lisa LaBriola
Executive Assistant to the Senate President & the Majority Leader
(303) 866-3341
lisa.labriola@state.co.us
Doug Schepman
Communications Director
(303) 866-4868
doug.schepman@state.co.us
Jessica BralishDeputy Comm. Director(303) 866-3181jessica.bralish@state.co.us
Sara Lu
Outreach Specialist
(303) 866-2540
sara.lu@state.co.us
Amy EricksonPolicy Director
(303) 866-3005
amy.erickson@state.co.us
funkfool
02-22-2013, 13:16
Want to know what we are dealing with...
Read this: http://news.yahoo.com/brain-scans-predict-political-ideology-160852908.html
If you can understand it and appeal to the way they think, we win. When you try to bash them with the way we think, we lose. Pure and simple folks!
Political brains
Comparing the Democrat and Republican participants turned up differences in two brain regions: the right amygdala and the left posterior insula. Republicans showed more activity than Democrats in the right amygdala when making a risky decision. This brain region is important for processing fear, risk and reward.
Meanwhile, Democrats showed more activity in the left posterior insula, a portion of the brain responsible for processing emotions, particularly visceral emotional cues from the body. The particular region of the insula that showed the heightened activity has also been linked with "theory of mind (http://www.livescience.com/26691-babies-understand-other-peoples-beliefs.html)," or the ability to understand what others might be thinking.
While their brain activity differed, the two groups' behaviors were identical, the study found.
Schreiber and his colleagues can't say whether the functional brain differences nudge people toward a particular ideology or not. The brain changes based on how it is used, so it is possible that acting in a partisan way prompts the differences.
The functional differences did mesh well with political beliefs (http://www.livescience.com/24620-postelection-can-we-all-get-along.html), however. The researchers were able to predict a person's political party by looking at their brain function 82.9 percent of the time. In comparison, knowing the structure of these regions predicts party correctly 71 percent of the time, and knowing someone's parents' political affiliation can tell you theirs 69.5 percent of the time, the researchers wrote.
Thanks Mark - that was interesting.
newracer
02-22-2013, 14:39
It appears Ms. Aguilar's response has been amended to remove the most offensive parts:
At least something is getting through to them.
That only so we quit responding. Don't quit sending emails!
Anyone know if there's been any movement on this today? Originally, Channel 7 said they were going into senate comittee today. Haven't heard anything, can't find anything. (Am still looking.)
Want to make sure this doesn't slip by without us noticing...
newracer
02-22-2013, 17:01
All four bills will be heard in the Senate the first week in March.
ghettoblaster
02-22-2013, 19:15
At the debate hosted By Hickenlooper on Tuesday, I asked both Rhonda Fields and John Morse if they would be ok with putting me in prison if I were caught inadvertently violating the magazine ban.
Neither of them hesitated in their answer that, yes, they would be happy to lock me up for a year just for having a magazine.
Note that I'm a law abiding taxpayer with a job, mortgage, and a kid, and neither of those two had a problem with destroying my life and the lives of my family simply for having a metal box with a spring in it.
Simply put, these people are completely irrational and the time to try to persuade them with reason has long since passed.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.
Well who are we to argue with such reason and logic? These two are obviously equipped with the wisdom of Solomon.
Anyone live in their districts? I think now would be a good time to send a donation to their opponents.
FYI, this thread has been featured on Reddit's primary gun board.
http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/18yass/we_only_need_3_dem_senators_to_switch_to_stop_cos/
Harry_Merkin
02-23-2013, 07:09
Hi Guys,
I'm from VA but I used to work for a company that had interested in Longmont/Boulder and Denver. I was alerted on NRA-ILA about some legislation that is advancing in Colorado and wanted to help in a small way.
I've emailed all dems and republicans in your senate and posted on various facebook accounts.
Dear Senator,
I am writing to request that you vote NO against the following Gun Bills:
HB13-1229: requiring background checks for all gun transactions; Judiciary & Appropriations
HB13-1226: banning concealed weapons on campuses; Education & Appropriations
HB13-1228: instituting a fee for gun buyers to cover the cost of the CBI to perform background checks; Finance & Appropriations
HB13-1224: limiting magazines to 15 rounds; Judiciary
None of these bills will help to reduce violent crime and they will only impact law abiding citizens.
Make no mistake that there are many people watching these bills in the Colorado legislature. I want you to do the right thing and vote against these Bills.
I will be supporting all pro-2nd Amendment candidates in the upcoming election. I will also be ACTIVELY campaigning AGAINST any legislator that is voting for or submitting ridiculous anti-gun legislation that restricts my 2nd Amendment Rights that cannot be directly linked to a positive impact on violent crime. Believe it. I’m not writing this email at 4am simply because I can’t sleep.
These campaigning actions include my money, my time and my voice via my friends, acquaintances, social media and my physical presence to oppose you at your campaign events.
This is a promise that I will do everything within my legal power to actively oppose any gun control legislation that restricts my 2nd Amendment Rights. It is that simple.
Sincerely,
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Thanks Harry, please alert your family and friends. National response is great as well!
I snail-mailed each senator this morning, stamps aren't that expensive just yet...
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