THE 4 March, HR 1224 thread. Don't open another one!

[Lurch]

[blah-blah]

[newracer]

http://www.coloradochannel.net/node/1620

[Lurch]

Thanks

[StagLefty]

Senate is not being aired live ?

[Lurch]

That is what I'm finding. Anyone know otherwise......

[blacklabel]

That is what I'm finding. Anyone know otherwise......

I'm listening to it now.

http://coloradoga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=5

[blacklabel]

1224 won't be heard until about noon. Senate Bill 197 is being heard now.

[StagLefty]

Curious as to why there's no live video like there was for the House.

[clocker]

The bills are being discussed in two different rooms

http://coloradoga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=5
http://coloradoga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=17

[Teufelhund]

Live stream here:

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22713406/historic-day-at-colorado-capitol-gun-bills-and

They're talking about Universal BGC right now.

[StagLefty]

Thanks clocker-I was in the wrong room
Thanks teufelhund-even better

[blacklabel]

The bills are being discussed in two different rooms

http://coloradoga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=5
http://coloradoga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=17

Which bill is currently being discussed at the second link?

I know 1224 will be discussed on the first link in about an hour and 15 minutes barring any recesses.

[StagLefty]

Which bill is currently being discussed at the second link?

I know 1224 will be discussed on the first link in about an hour and 15 minutes barring any recesses.

background checks

[Teufelhund]

Senator Harvey giving the anti-gunners hell. They don't have an answer.

[ChunkyMonkey]

hahaa.. I applaused along

[Teufelhund]

Now up is Mark Kelly to exploit Giffords' tragedy.

[StagLefty]

So what's going on today ? Aren't all the gun related bills in the same room ?

[newracer]

No they are in two different committees.

[Rucker61]

Senator Harvey giving the anti-gunners hell. They don't have an answer.

Dear CBI boss: do you think it's appropriate to double or triple your staff with guaranteed funding, and if your staff grows, do you deserve a raise for managing a larger organization?

Bosss: Yes, that's appropriate.

[jackthewall81]

Now up is Mark Kelly to exploit Giffords' tragedy.
Hmmm this should be interesting

[newracer]

He is testifying for background checks but the shooter of his wife passed a background check.

[Lurch]

Sounds like AZ needed to get their shit together and they would of stopped the guy from buying a gun. Oh and I thought it was a 3 minute time limit?

[Teufelhund]

He just said "80% of Coloradans support universal background checks." Did anyone ask you Coloradans? They sure as hell didn't ask me. I guess "gun-owning Coloradans" don't count.

[cjmore]

His logic is so fouled that it's difficult to listen to

[Blowby]

82% of Colorado wants checks on all gun transactions? Where did he get those numbers?

[rtr]

I suppose it would be bad form for one of the senators to ask him "Where in Colorado do you live"?

[blacklabel]

"I'm supporting this bill that wouldn't have done shit to prevent my wife from being shot."

Let's play the maybe game.

[Teufelhund]

Senator called him out on the Giffords shooter passing a BGC. Kelly responds that yes, he passed it, but if he hadn't he had the option to go buy a gun from a gun show or an internet private sale without having to do a background check. NOT IN COLORADO, IDIOT.

[asmo]

Kelly just stated openly that he has NO EXPERTISE ON THE COLORADO BILL.

What the fuck? Why is he testifying then?

[Lurch]

So he isn't an expert on the bill why is he here then?

[lowbeyond]

So Mark Kelly is testifying in support for the UBC bill, but just said he is not familiar with the CO bill specifics.

This guy is a fukking shitbag

[PugnacAutMortem]

By the way, 1,000,000 thank you's to those updating this thread for those of us who can't stream. Carry on.

[lowbeyond]

Now some cop is testifying via a frikken video tape

[Teufelhund]

So he isn't an expert on the bill why is he here then?

Because the gun-grabbers called him and said, "Hey could you come up here and give a little speech exploiting your wife's shooting? If we can play on people's emotions, it will somehow support this irrelevant bill."

[blacklabel]

And one felon will force another felon to undergo a background check?

[Teufelhund]

Who the hell is this cop giving testimony via tape?

[StagLefty]

Aurora chief

[blacklabel]

Ohh God, it's the ATF fuck again. A shill for MAIG.

[Teufelhund]

Oh god, now we have ex-ATF agent and gun-grabber extraordinaire, douchebage Chipman. I'm about sick of hearing this guy testify at every one of these hearings.

[Mr_RoP]

He is the Chief of Police for Aurora.

[brobar]

Oh yea... now we've got the ATF guy who last time couldn't even remember the name of the "Clinton-era Attorney General" who personally tasked him with coming up with a plan to lower violence in 15 targeted cities. Wouldn't you know know the name of the Attorney General who "personally tasked" you with that?

[Teufelhund]

He is the Chief of Police for Aurora.

Great. I need to move.

[brobar]

I wonder if he'll talk about the Oklahoma City bombing this time like he did last time. When asked "would background checks have stopped the OKC bombing" his response last time was.... "uuuuuhhhhh... I suppose not!"

[Teufelhund]

He just called the Brady Bill "like a flawed airport policy." Good, repeal it then.

[asmo]

So, which of you are going to directly refute his claims (ATF Shithead) and say directly that he is only here because he is being paid thousands of dollars to spread misinformation.

Again -- the NUMBER ONE WAY TO GET RID OF UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS -- Call them bigots. Tell them that if they pass the law that they are discriminating against gay and lesbian couples.

[Lurch]

Hey ATF guy 43 people die each day from drunk driving. What are you doing about it?

[asmo]

Correlation does NOT equal causation.

Fucktards.

[Teufelhund]

Correlation does NOT equal causation.

Fucktards.

Yeah, nice strawman he threw out there. Said BGC law repealed in Missouri resulted in a 25% increase in gun-related homicide.

[blacklabel]

430 die every day from lung cancer Mr. ATF.

[Teufelhund]

Some chick just referred to "gun-rights extremists" thinking universal BGC being too burdensome for law-abiding gun-owners.

[brobar]

I feel for the speaker... but I would have to ask... how would background checks have saved her sister? Really!

[newracer]

Another person talking about a tragedy that would not have been prevented by a background check.

[Teufelhund]

Her argument is the "burden" is all the emotions conjured by victims of gun violence. Her sister died at Sandy Hook. She's crying while she talks about how BGC will prevent guns from getting into the hands of people who will do harm and save lives.

[blacklabel]

And we're still trying to say that UBC would have prevented Sandy Hook. FFS.

[newracer]

I feel for the speaker... but I would have to ask... how would background checks have saved her sister? Really!
It would not have, he failed one and then stole the weapons.

[Rucker61]

It would not have, he failed one and then stole the weapons.

I'm pretty sure that under this bill, his mother's estate could have been charged with an illegal transfer and the corpse held for up to 18 months.

[asmo]

All of you -- please analyze how they are all doing their arguments.

Hyperbole and emotion. They do not listen to logic.

For those of you that get up to testify today - Do NOT base your entire argument on logic, you MUST step outside your comfort zone and get them to respond at an EMOTIONAL level. Call them out.

I know its easy to arm-chair quarterback here but I'm trying to help in any way. ;)

[newracer]

They are really pushing emotions, they must know the logic is flawed.

[newracer]

The Aurora shooter passed a background check!!!!!!

[asmo]

This guy says a majority of law enforcement supports this -- BULLSHIT.

These people will lie and stretch the truth. Do not be afraid to call them on it.

[newracer]

TIME IS UP!!!!!

[brobar]

I sure hope that when opponents testimony comes along... people will bring to the attention of the Senate and everyone there... universal background checks would NOT have prevented Aurora Theater and they would NOT have prevented Sandy Hook!

[brobar]

Live video: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22713984/colorado-gun-bills-senate-committee-begins-testimony-universal

[lowbeyond]

40% of all gun sales are with no BGC.

All they do is repeat the lies. These people are the worst of the worst

[asmo]

You can also bring up that in the current verbiage of the universal background checks bill, that as an NRA instructor I could not hand and unloaded weapon to a student while I am training them. It would require a 3 day, at current times, background check when I handed it to them - and other 3 day wait time when they hand it back to me. For a class of 10 students this would take 60 days.

[lowbeyond]

Some teacher praising their students for doing the good job of HIDING in a lock down drill.

Gee what an American Hero

[blacklabel]

Mayor of Golden up. It's about to get thick.

[clublights]

Why does everyone think these background checks would stop school shootings? Would not have stopped Columbine, would not have stopped VT, would not have stopped Sandy Hook ...

I'm confused.

[blacklabel]

She's spouting the same false statistics she did last time.

[blacklabel]

Tom Mauser is up.

[Lurch]

Why does everyone think these background checks would stop school shootings? Would not have stopped Columbine, would not have stopped VT, would not have stopped Sandy Hook ...

I'm confused.

Because they don't care and this is just the tip of the gungrab iceberg.

[lowbeyond]

Why does everyone think these background checks would stop school shootings? Would not have stopped Columbine, would not have stopped VT, would not have stopped Sandy Hook ...

I'm confused.

Here let me un-confuse you. Its not about that. They don't give one flying fuck. They want to make more criminals so the full force of the State can come crashing down on the undesirables.

Its about control, if not guns, it is something else.

[Lurch]

Hey Tom I'm wearing the underwear that I took off when I helped conceive my daughter. Big effing deal

[blacklabel]

We mark up prices for private sales because we don't have to subject someone to background checks.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Hey Tom I'm wearing the underwear that I took off when I helped conceive my daughter. Big effing deal

Please explain...lol that is an interesting counterpoint.

[Lurch]

Please explain...lol that is an interesting counterpoint.

Tom was wearing his kids shoes in tribute. Someone on the plan at the end made the comment nice shoes.

[blacklabel]

Fudd, I mean Hunters Against Gun Violence. He hates the NRA because they defend our rights. Uses a surplus military weapon to hunt.

[Goodburbon]

I'm trying to watch, but for some reason only get 3 seconds at a time. Thanks for the commentary guys.

[blacklabel]

I'm trying to watch, but for some reason only get 3 seconds at a time. Thanks for the commentary guys.

I apologize for the interjection of my own opinion in advance.

[asmo]

This IS NOT about buying guns -- this is about even the temporary transfer (e.g. handing the gun to a buddy).

[Goodburbon]

I apologize for the interjection of my own opinion in advance.


Much easier to read, than watch some infuriating testimony through a thoroughly frustrating computer.That, and I like your interjections.

[blacklabel]

Ohh, Colorado Progress Now is attacking RMGO and the Colorado Gun Market site.

[Teufelhund]

This pillow-biter talking now is vehement in his made-up statistics.

[asmo]

Okay -- all of you LISTEN to how this progressive guy talks. Totally nailing RMGO.. Doesn't matter that its untrue and totally nonfactual.

Listen to how he talks. THIS is what we need.

[blacklabel]

CBI supports the bill. No shit, it increases their business and revenue.

[Teufelhund]

That guy was so way over the top, he did more for us than the communist party he allegedly represents.

[clublights]

Let him have it Crowder!

[blacklabel]

Franklin just got the boot. What an arrogant douche.

[ChiefBDT]

Somebody's had too much coffee. Wow that last guy that teatified has a huge chip on his shoulder

[muddywings]

just jumped in on my lunch break...ugh here comes FUDD

[TFOGGER]

Another clueless Fudd...

[Rucker61]

Increasing gun violence? It's been decreasing for 20 years.

[lowbeyond]

Hunters against gun violence.

wabbit quail and deer hunter FUDD says bill makes good sense

[Teufelhund]

Increasing gun violence? It's been decreasing for 20 years.

Now, now. Real statistics have no place in this dog and pony show.

[lowbeyond]

but now he says his family members dont need a BGC

what a moron

[asmo]

Umm.. UUmmmmm Umm...

[Teufelhund]

Crowder just nailed Fudd's dumb ass to the wall.

[muddywings]

needed to ask if he ever hunts with friends and/or loans friends a gun to go hunting?

[muddywings]

thank you for telling us that our justice system is failed

[asmo]

needed to ask if he ever hunts with friends and/or loans friends a gun to go hunting?

^^ THIS ^^

[lowbeyond]

the DV advocate chick is now saying that criminals don't follow laws

*shocking*

[muddywings]

"i don't know the details of thatttt"

[lowbeyond]

now saying she doesn't know the details of the story she just told to the committee

[Rucker61]

Well, there's the emotion.

[TFOGGER]

She's good. Facts AND emotion!

[Mr_RoP]

All you need is a whistle and run to a safe zone. If not then soil yourself and that will stop these people that would do you harm, at least according to our lovely democrats in office.

[Rucker61]

She's good. Facts AND emotion!

"you have to be out of your mind". Very nice.

[cfortune]

I'm tardy to the party. Has 1224 started? Not hearing it on either of those audio links.

[Mr_RoP]

Awesome testimony!!

[asmo]

What the fuck Kopel isn't there?

[lowbeyond]

Weld County Sheriff John Cook up

Law is unenforceable

Criminals dont get BCG

[blacklabel]

Sheriff Cook is up.

[StagLefty]

I'm tardy to the party. Has 1224 started? Not hearing it on either of those audio links.

not yet-audio only on that one

[Mr_RoP]

Look at the sheriff's!!

[XC700116]

She knocked it out of the park.

And There's My Sheriff, Damn that's good!!!

[cfortune]

not yet-audio only on that one

Thanks!

[Brian]

Look at the sheriff's!!

Great visual

[Teufelhund]

Sheriff Cooke, with a huge formation of uniformed Sheriffs and other LEOs standing in a line behind him, saying this law is totally unenforceable and entirely ineffective in curbing criminal transactions.

[lowbeyond]

Funny how the Sherrifs showed up and the Aurora cop made a frikken video tape

[Teufelhund]

Sen. Harvey saying this would lead directly to registration. Sheriff Cooke agrees and says this is why the Sheriffs are so adamantly against it.

[Teufelhund]

Crowder asking why the Aurora PD disagrees with the Sheriffs. Cooke responds, essentially, because he is elected and the police are appointed.

[asmo]

Keep clapping!!!! Awesome!

[Teufelhund]

LOL resounding applause from the audience. Call for order and pounding of the gavel. Awesome.

[newracer]

LOL resounding applause from the audience. Call for order and pounding of the gavel. Awesome.
Loved it.

[XC700116]

Here's a link that included the Judiciary feed

Second video feed.

http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Seven_Colorado_gun_bills_to_be_heard_in_Senate_com mitees

[Teufelhund]

Firearms instructor from the Springs making some great points.

[Teufelhund]

Owner/operator of shooting center at Cherry Creek State Park up now. Talking from the cuff. Repeating points made by the Sheriffs.

Pointing out this wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook or VA Tech.

[asmo]

The firearms instructors should really hammer on the issue to handing a gun to a student in class -- that would require a background check.

[brobar]

CAPTAIN KANGAROO!!!

[Mr_RoP]

CAPTAIN KANGAROO!!!

LOL!!!

[Teufelhund]

Owner of numerous businesses from Durango, starts by saying he is considering moving all his companies out of State because of all the anti-gun legislation.

Prompted by Sen. Harvey, speaker gets to point out that it is NOT possible to buy a gun on the internet without a BGC.

[asmo]

"our sponsors"

Interesting.

[Rucker61]

She wasn't really listening?

[Teufelhund]

Kopel up now.

[blacklabel]

Kopel is on.

[asmo]

Thank god Kopel is hitting on the transfer concept..

[Teufelhund]

Yep. He's getting it just right. The bill defines transfer as too broad.

[newracer]

He is good, no scratch that, he is great!

[asmo]

Watch.. They are going to come back with "You can transfer to your wife - its right here in the bill"

[Teufelhund]

I don't know how long he's been talking, but they're just letting him go. Nice to see it swing our way for a change.

[OneGuy67]

He is good, no scratch that, he is great!

He is a really good speaker on this subject.

[blacklabel]

That was great.

[Rucker61]

Here we go!

[clublights]

IS it just me ( and Safari on the mac) that has the denverpost page with the live video feed reload the page every so often ? it makes me crazy

[StagLefty]

IS it just me ( and Safari on the mac) that has the denverpost page with the live video feed reload the page every so often ? it makes me crazy

Fine here

[newracer]

I don't know how long he's been talking, but they're just letting him go. Nice to see it swing our way for a change.

Scheduled testimony for both sides gets longer than the 3 minutes.

[Teufelhund]

IS it just me ( and Safari on the mac) that has the denverpost page with the live video feed reload the page every so often ? it makes me crazy

Happens every 10-15 minutes for me (on windows, chrome).

[clublights]

Fine here

Using a mac with Safari ? or ?

[Teufelhund]

Scheduled testimony for both sides gets longer than the 3 minutes.

Oh, I see. Thanks.

[newracer]

IS it just me ( and Safari on the mac) that has the denverpost page with the live video feed reload the page every so often ? it makes me crazy

Mine refreshes about every 20-30 minutes and I have to press play again.

[Teufelhund]

Columbine survivor testifying now, btw. Said he represents numerous survivors (called them by name).

He's getting emotional. Had to pause.

[StagLefty]

Using a mac with Safari ? or ?

home desktop-it does refresh about every half hour

[XC700116]

I know a couple more Columbine Survivors that would have added their names to that list as well.

[StagLefty]

Scheduled testimony for both sides gets longer than the 3 minutes.

These are considered the experts and get unlimited time

[clublights]

Happens every 10-15 minutes for me (on windows, chrome).


Mine refreshes about every 20-30 minutes and I have to press play again.


home desktop-it does refresh about every half hour

Thanks guys .. had the problem last time too .. Was wondering if it was all me .. at least I know it's not .. always refreshes during a part I wanna hear... :-/ seems to vary on time from 10-15 to maybe as long as 20 mins .

[Teufelhund]

Dudley Brown up now. Asking the Senators to read the State Constitution.

[muddywings]

Dudley Brown up now. Asking the Senators to read the State Constitution.

I'm popping in and out depending on my work load. How's he doing?

[newracer]

He just mentioned the cars honking and I can now hear it in the background.

[Teufelhund]

He's doing ok. He's rambling a bit, but trying to point out the private transactions on co gun market, et al are our right and not to be tread upon. I'm not sure how cogent his points were, but maybe someone else was paying attention better than I.

Again, at the prompting of a Senator, he's reinforcing the point that one must go through an FFL to sell a gun on the internet.

[asmo]

This is why the progressive idiot was successful -- RMGO is now FORCED to respond.

[Teufelhund]

NRA lobbyist up now.

[def90]

He's doing ok. He's rambling a bit, but trying to point out the private transactions on co gun market, et al are our right and not to be tread upon. I'm not sure how cogent his points were, but maybe someone else was paying attention better than I.

Again, at the prompting of a Senator, he's reinforcing the point that one must go through an FFL to sell a gun on the internet.

I wish he would have flat out responded that any online sale outside of state must go through a FFL.. He said it is illegal to transfer via mail but he could have more directly stated that no matter where you buy from you still have to involve a dealer and a background check.

[Kraven251]

weird, I can't get any of the links to work, and the assembly page says there aren't any active sessions to watch. I watched it from there last time without any problem.

There we go got the audio to work, sorta kinda.

[Teufelhund]

I wish he would have flat out responded that any online sale outside of state must go through a FFL.. He said it is illegal to transfer via mail but he could have more directly stated that no matter where you buy from you still have to involve a dealer and a background check.

Agreed. His points were good, but not well stated. He was a bit hard to follow.

[Teufelhund]

Sheriff Maketa up now. This is going to be good.

Here come the Sheriffs and other LEOs again to stand behind him.

[def90]

Sheriff Maketa up now. This is going to be good.

Here come the Sheriffs and other LEOs again to stand behind him.

He is doing a great job..

[asmo]

Nailing it.. CJIS will tell Colorado to pound sand.

This I can guarantee.

[Teufelhund]

Opposition to this bill has been so profoundly logical and persuasive compared to the supporters. Any legislator's support of this bill is purely partisan bias. There's no way an impartial person could ever vote to pass this in the face of such cogent testimony.

[ghettoblaster]

Opposition to this bill has been so profoundly logical and persuasive compared to the supporters. Any legislator's support of this bill is purely partisan bias. There's no way an impartial person could ever vote to pass this in the face of such cogent testimony.

Not to play Devil's Advocate, but I think you may have inadvertently just explained why this bill will pass..... Partisanship is supreme in this state. Hell, in this nation.

[Teufelhund]

Not to play Devil's Advocate, but I think you may have inadvertently just explained why this bill will pass..... Partisanship is supreme in this state. Hell, in this nation.

No, I agree with you. That was my point.

[blacklabel]

Looks like testimony is coming to a close.

[asmo]

No testimony from the little people.

[Lurch]

Wow out of 200,000 who failed a federal background check only 13 prosecuted.

[newracer]

Video of both committees are available at this link

http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Seven_Colorado_gun_bills_to_be_heard_in_Senate_com mitees

I think the mag limits is due next in the Judiciary committee.

[StagLefty]

Just lost the audio-anyone else ?
Looks like their both in recess Maybe thats why.

[brobar]

It looks like SB197 (restricting firearms for domestic violence offenders) passed committee with a vote of 3-2. No surprise there. Next one up is magazine capacity.

[clublights]

I only glanced thru SB-197 the domestic violence bill ... how does this do any better then the fed law already in place ?

[clublights]

Just lost the audio-anyone else ?


they are in recess... they shut the audio down during those

[StagLefty]

they are in recess... they shut the audio down during those

We we're always noisier during recess [ROFL1]

[newracer]

Right before they shut off the audio someone was getting rather pissed and the chair for not being able to speak.

[Dave_L]

The news is saying this in regards to SB 197 "Legislation that would force convicted felons and anyone subject to a restraining order to relinquish their guns to law enforcement is the first of seven Democratic gun control bills being heard Monday to get the go-ahead".

Can anyone clarify that? Subject to a restraining order? So if some crazy broad files a restraining order, you're effed?

[XC700116]

I only glanced thru SB-197 the domestic violence bill ... how does this do any better then the fed law already in place ?

It only requires that if you have a PO issued against you to yank your guns, it also conflicts with the CO Law already in place that does the same. It's shear stupidity.

[blacklabel]

Right before they shut off the audio someone was getting rather pissed and the chair for not being able to speak.

He made some noise about a proposal he wanted to make as well. It was apparently "unbiased".

[XC700116]

The news is saying this in regards to SB 197 "Legislation that would force convicted felons and anyone subject to a restraining order to relinquish their guns to law enforcement is the first of seven Democratic gun control bills being heard Monday to get the go-ahead".

Can anyone clarify that? Subject to a restraining order? So if some crazy broad files a restraining order, you're effed?


Exactly, your nutjob neighbor that hates your NRA sticker could potentially file for a order for protection and if granted your F'd.

[asmo]

Here are my prepared amendments that have already been vetted by my lawyers and that you have all already seen.. This way I can still vote how I wanted.

[lowbeyond]

she wants to amend bill to allow a legal 72 hour temp transfer. lol

this whole thing is a farce

[Rucker61]

Expanded famility definition still excludes gay partners.

[lowbeyond]

harvey. thanks ! in my household we don't have the $ to go buy another gun vs your house you are rich enough to go out and buy another $500 gun.

so the chair woman starts giggling. har har so funny.

[Lurch]

Why doesn't she just grow a set and pull the bill and say I will work with law enforcement and others to come up with a bill that works.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Is it only me, or the live feed keeps disconnecting? I am trying to work while listening to this, and it keeps getting cut off.

[clublights]

Is it only me, or the live feed keeps disconnecting? I am trying to work while listening to this, and it keeps getting cut off.


No I brought it up earlier... happens for all of us.. just have to restart it every so often .. rather annoying .

[StagLefty]

I wonder if it's because it's a newspaper site and it keeps updating the news ?

[Rucker61]

How come she won't address the sherriff's position that the law is unenforceable? How would she see this law being enforced? What a freaking dingbat.

[killianak9]

Is it only me, or the live feed keeps disconnecting? I am trying to work while listening to this, and it keeps getting cut off.

No me too, 5-15 second delay.

[lowbeyond]

boy the chair must think fukking people in the ass sure is funny. she can't stop laughing

[sniper7]

I don't have a link but someone should be able to post audio.

Im down here now waiting to speak.

[clublights]

Argh I hate that two bills amendments are being argued at the same time...

I can't decide what to listen to more.

[SuperiorDG]

boy the chair must think fukking people in the ass sure is funny. she can't stop laughing

I think she is laughing because what she is saying does not make logical since and she can't change what her mouth is saying.

[cofi]

keep us updated!

[StagLefty]

Can't seem to get the audio for the mag bill-anyone else ?

[XC700116]

Magazine bill going in Judiciary and The shotgun thing is already giving the idiot in charge problems.

They ammended for a blanket 8 shot mag, now one of the Senators is hammering her on the fact that different length rounds equates to different number in the same magazine. Idiot keeps coming back to 8 is 8.


FAWK I hate stupidity.

[aryntha]

Yeah, Denver Post announced that Hodge is up there saying that 30 rd mags have only one purpose, "to kill as many people as fast as possible" .... right.... They've never, ever been used any other way. Ever.

[asmo]

1229: You're asking hard questions - we need to take a break so we can go out in the hall and take you to task.

[XC700116]

Can't seem to get the audio for the mag bill-anyone else ?

http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Seven_Colorado_gun_bills_to_be_heard_in_Senate_com mitees

It's working for me on this link, lower of the 2 video windows.

[clublights]

has both video feeds and links to audio on both .. witnesses are stating now on mag ban

http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Seven_Colorado_gun_bills_to_be_heard_in_Senate_com mitees

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://coloradoga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=5

[def90]

Is Mary Hodge really that stupid?

[clublights]

Everyone's fav former ATF agent is speaking now

[Batteriesnare]

Linky no worky.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Linky no worky.

+1 thought it was just my iPad.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Magazine bill going in Judiciary and The shotgun thing is already giving the idiot in charge problems.

They ammended for a blanket 8 shot mag, now one of the Senators is hammering her on the fact that different length rounds equates to different number in the same magazine. Idiot keeps coming back to 8 is 8.


FAWK I hate stupidity.

Who made those half length shells for shotguns? Saw it in Rifleman mag a few years ago. That will make all shotguns 8+.

[clublights]

OH damn Chipmen is getting called out .. never fired his weapon .. never had a weapon shot at him ! storied career LEO my ass....

[Lurch]

Holy crap Hudak looks like Jaba the Hut

[Ronin13]

Not sure where to post this- as there are like 4 threads on today's events, so I'm posting to the most recent... FFS- Gabby Giffords is in Denver to support these retarded bills. I guess she wants to try and pull a James Brady and get as much millage out of the anti-gun/victim card as possible... [facepalm]
http://news.yahoo.com/gun-rights-supporters-descend-colorado-capitol-202611923.html

[StagLefty]

Magazine bill going in Judiciary and The shotgun thing is already giving the idiot in charge problems.

They ammended for a blanket 8 shot mag, now one of the Senators is hammering her on the fact that different length rounds equates to different number in the same magazine. Idiot keeps coming back to 8 is 8.


FAWK I hate stupidity.
Are you getting the audio ?

[XC700116]

They're going to pass EVERY one of them to floor vote on party line BS, no matter what.

[asmo]

1229: Trusts getting nailed. Can't transfer between members of a trust.

[XC700116]

Are you getting the audio ?


Yes

[asmo]

1229: They just said that emotions run high on this issue -- and that being emotional didn't help. Yet then he (Matt Jones) FUCKING votes yes on the bill.

Then one of them said yes because of letters from some 5th graders saying they wanted to be 'safe'.

[Lurch]

New amendment for 1229 you will no longer be able to transfer through a trust. Will this effect NFA items?????

[Rucker61]

Is Mary Hodge really that stupid?

Yes.

[asmo]

1229: They are now saying that their constituents were overwhelmingly in support of the bills.

[asmo]

New amendment for 1229 you will no longer be able to transfer through a trust. Will this effect NFA items?????

Yes. Directly.

[newracer]

Lower video on this page

http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Seven_Colorado_gun_bills_to_be_heard_in_Senate_com mitees

[clublights]

New amendment for 1229 you will no longer be able to transfer through a trust. Will this effect NFA items?????


Yes. Directly.

Will that ultimately be legal ?

[BPTactical]

Wait, you mean a Glock 17 is named that because it holds 17 rounds?
Bwahahahahah

With that logic I want a G34

[StagLefty]

has both video feeds and links to audio on both .. witnesses are stating now on mag ban

http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Seven_Colorado_gun_bills_to_be_heard_in_Senate_com mitees

Thanks wanted to see the mag bill

[kidicarus13]

"...received letters from 5th graders in Aurora stating that they just wanted to be safe." COME ON, THAT'S PRETTY WEAK. The majority of kids will write whatever position their teachers take.

[clublights]

"...received letters from 5th graders in Aurora stating that they just wanted to be safe." COME ON, THAT'S PRETTY WEAK. The majority of kids will write whatever position their teachers take.

Weak bullshit but typical of the left... emotionally charged.

[Lurch]

Yes. Directly.

The state doesn't even know that you have put in for a NFA item through a trust. So how will it effect them?

[asmo]

Will that ultimately be legal ?

Trusts are legal entities of the state. The state can regulate them as they see fit.

[asmo]

The big question of whether armslist, gunbroker, etc. are facilitators under the definition of the bill -- the answer was "no" that 3rd party facilitators are not liable.

[Dave_L]

If kids wrote letters saying they want happy meals for lunch in school so they can be "happy", would politicians make it happen?

[blacklabel]

If kids wrote letters saying they want happy meals for lunch in school so they can be "happy", would politicians make it happen?

Yes, but they'd outlaw anything else. All about control.

[Lurch]

I can't listen anymore.

[asmo]

1229: The 'repeal of background checks' in Missouri caused a 25% spike in gun violence -- THAT WAS A TOTAL LIE -- is now being quoted as fact as a reason why there was a yes vote.

[jhirsh5280]

Why dont we just let 5th graders create policy since they apparently know whats best for us adults

[asmo]

1229 passes

[Batteriesnare]

Lundberg is a BOSS! Way to challenge the liberal Bullshit!

[XC700116]

And HB1229 passes

[clublights]

So pretty much all the folks testifying for these bills are the same folks ?.....


shouldn't that be a clue to these senators ?

[PugnacAutMortem]

1229 passes

This is just the committe though right? It still needs to see the Senate floor for a vote correct?

[palepainter]

22927

[Batteriesnare]

This cop should be stripped of his badge. I bet he patrols with a standard capacity magazine. He doesn't even know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

[XC700116]

This is just the committe though right? It still needs to see the Senate floor for a vote correct?

yes

[twitchyfinger]

Lower video on this page

http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Seven_Colorado_gun_bills_to_be_heard_in_Senate_com mitees

Thanks much appreciated!

[.455_Hunter]

To my understanding, the full Senate is the best chance we have of stopping these bills. The committees in both chambers are "pre-planned" to say the least.

[dwalker460]

Did the universal background check bill just pass?

[Batteriesnare]

And he says "piece of crap" in front of the Senate. What an ID10T

[merl]

yeah, there is 0 chance of these dying in committee.