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muddywings
03-06-2013, 09:52
It's a CNN video but good for discussion:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/world/2013/03/05/tsr-moos-would-you-stop-a-murder.cnn

As someone who studied Milgram, Asch, Zimbardo in skool I was rather intrigued by this.


Good thing they did that in NYC and not here in Colorado...ummm... never mind. The way CO is going, ehh, wouldn't made a big difference. What I should have said is good thing it didn't happen in WY or TX where people are still free. Someone would have had a gun pulled on them!!

Getting the clear shot to fire would/could be difficult but a barrel against the temple might be necessary. This is where strong verbal commands come into place before pulling the trigger. The only time I would ever pull my gun when it's not my life (or wife) on the line is when it comes to murder/rape/assault and I think this is a situation where the gun would clear kydex pretty fast. To clarify the last sentence-if someone grabs a purse of someone near me and they are running away, then the most I'm going to do is be a good witness.

Dingo
03-06-2013, 09:56
My reaction to being robbed would all depend on the number of witnesses around.

muddywings
03-06-2013, 10:25
My reaction to being robbed would all depend on the number of witnesses around.

don't forget the cameras!!! ;)

Dingo
03-06-2013, 10:27
That's what ballcaps are for. :-)

griebel303
03-06-2013, 10:42
The guy with the camera phone at the end is what is wrong with our society. "Let me get my iphone out so i can post this to facebook and youtube." what a douche. Its tough to say how I would act in that scenario but hopefully i would do more then these people

rondog
03-06-2013, 10:42
Also keep in mind there's most likely production crew members nearby to help prevent any Good Samaritan shootings. They may not be obvious, like a guy with a camera on his shoulder or one holding a boom mike, but I'd bet the two actors "fighting" in the elevator are NOT alone. No film company is going to open themselves up to that kind of liability by putting people in danger of getting shot by a third party that thinks he's stopping a real attack and saving someone. There's always more going on behind the camera lens than in front of it. Safety is always Priority #1 and there's always a team of corporate lawyers to make sure of it.

It's like I told the wife and grandson when they were scared of rides at DisneyWorld...."Hey, this is Disney, one of the largest and most powerful companies in the world. They're not going to risk any lawsuits from people getting hurt on any rides, and they have huge teams of lawyers whose sole job is to make certain that everything's as safe as possible and The Corporate Ass is covered."

jhood001
03-06-2013, 11:10
Also keep in mind there's most likely production crew members nearby to help prevent any Good Samaritan shootings. They may not be obvious, like a guy with a camera on his shoulder or one holding a boom mike, but I'd bet the two actors "fighting" in the elevator are NOT alone. No film company is going to open themselves up to that kind of liability by putting people in danger of getting shot by a third party that thinks he's stopping a real attack and saving someone. There's always more going on behind the camera lens than in front of it. Safety is always Priority #1 and there's always a team of corporate lawyers to make sure of it.



I believe that took place in the UK. The only people there with guns are criminals... I don't think they had to worry about those types saving the day.

jhood001
03-06-2013, 11:14
Nevermind. Definitely filmed in New York.

cstone
03-06-2013, 11:20
The only way to truly know what YOU will do in that specific situation, is to be in that situation.

Everything else is speculation.

I pray no one ever has to find out what they will or will not do. We all have to live with the decisions we make.

Be safe.

vossman
03-06-2013, 15:11
The authorities would probably say not to intervene. Call it in and let them handle it.
Recent example: There was a drunk driver that hit several cars in a COS intersection last week, one of those involved followed him and kept the dispatcher informed of the driver's location. In the tv interview with the cops, they said the guy that followed him should not have done that.
I'm not one to sit back and let aholes get away with shit like that.

muddywings
03-06-2013, 15:21
The authorities would probably say not to intervene. Call it in and let them handle it.
Recent example: There was a drunk driver that hit several cars in a COS intersection last week, one of those involved followed him and kept the dispatcher informed of the driver's location. In the tv interview with the cops, they said the guy that followed him should not have done that.
I'm not one to sit back and let aholes get away with shit like that.

Ditto. I have in fact called in a drunk driver. It was about midnight and the guy was serving all over the place. I just held back, gave the plate and the location. As soon as I saw the lights I said goodbye to the dispatcher. It may have been the dude's first offense but I have a thing about drunk drivers and have zero tolerance for it.
I wouldn't become 'actively' involved in the situation such as yelling "citizen's arrest, citizen's arrest" but I would be a passive good witness and I follow the drunk.

Dingo
03-06-2013, 15:36
I wouldn't become 'actively' involved in the situation such as yelling "citizen's arrest, citizen's arrest..."

Are you quoting "The Andy Griffith" show where Gomer arrests Barney for the illegal u-turn? I remember that episode. :-)

SideShow Bob
03-06-2013, 19:39
Are you quoting "The Andy Griffith" show where Gomer arrests Barney for the illegal u-turn? I remember that episode. :-)

Gawd, you must almost as old as Blaster Bob..........[blaster]

wreave
03-06-2013, 19:57
This is fake. Not just the two guys in the elevator, but everyone else as well, is an actor.

Think about it. Is it likely that:
-The owner/manager of a nice building let these guys set up this prank/test on their tenants/clients/guests.
-All those people called 911 and the police didn't worry about it and let them keep on doing their thing.
-Not one person had any kind of violent reaction that could have endangered the elevator guys. Closest was the fire extinguisher, which was only shown being sprayed from behind.

Actually, I originally saw this on ARFCOM, and it was just the video, not the CNN piece. In the CNN piece, they tell you that they talked to the guys who made it and they admit many of the people are actors. They say that some of them are real, but it's obvious that at least most if not all the ones in the video are actors.

SideShow Bob
03-06-2013, 20:33
This is fake. Not just the two guys in the elevator, but everyone else as well, is an actor.

Think about it. Is it likely that:
-The owner/manager of a nice building let these guys set up this prank/test on their tenants/clients/guests.
-All those people called 911 and the police didn't worry about it and let them keep on doing their thing.
-Not one person had any kind of violent reaction that could have endangered the elevator guys. Closest was the fire extinguisher, which was only shown being sprayed from behind.

Actually, I originally saw this on ARFCOM, and it was just the video, not the CNN piece. In the CNN piece, they tell you that they talked to the guys who made it and they admit many of the people are actors. They say that some of them are real, but it's obvious that at least most if not all the ones in the video are actors.

Well Duh,
This from the title line for the video.

"Would you stop a murder?
Added On March 05, 2013
A staged strangulation video asks the question: Would you stop a murder? CNN's Jeanne Moos reports."

TheBelly
03-06-2013, 20:39
I think the little switch in my brain would go off. Bad things would probably happen.

yes, I'd intervene.

BlasterBob
03-06-2013, 20:42
Gawd, you must almost as old as Blaster Bob..........[blaster]

Hey, I resemble that remark!!![Beer]

KestrelBike
03-06-2013, 20:43
Ditto. I have in fact called in a drunk driver. It was about midnight and the guy was serving all over the place. I just held back, gave the plate and the location. As soon as I saw the lights I said goodbye to the dispatcher. It may have been the dude's first offense but I have a thing about drunk drivers and have zero tolerance for it.
I wouldn't become 'actively' involved in the situation such as yelling "citizen's arrest, citizen's arrest" but I would be a passive good witness and I follow the drunk.

back in CA I used to visit my folks who lived 25min South on Interstate 405 & the 5, so I'd constantly be driving back to my place at 10pm-12am on the freeway. There were drunks All.The.Time. Swerve between 3 lanes kind of drunks. Every single time I called it in, everytime dispatch said they'd see if any squad cars were nearby, ZERO TIMES did I ever see anyone get pulled over, eventually I'd give up after following them at a distance for 15-20 miles (and my exit was coming up). Not sure what the fuck CHP were doing the whole time, probably sleeping it off after giving everyone speeding tickets for doing 75 in a 65mph during the work day.

gnihcraes
03-06-2013, 22:39
Being one who rides elevators all day long, in high stress environments, I would intervene and things would not be good for the perp. I plan for this most every trip, every day, and am not able to carry a firearm. LEO's are nearby, but not necessarily able to respond quick enough. (no offense to them, they do a great job!!) I have a couple stories I could tell, but not on the open forum.

As for the Drunk Driver thing, I've followed and called in several over the years, including a violent driver who had a warrant. (using the phone patch via ham radio to Lakewood PD)

<MADDOG>
03-06-2013, 23:15
The only way to truly know what YOU will do in that specific situation, is to be in that situation.

Everything else is speculation.

I pray no one ever has to find out what they will or will not do. We all have to live with the decisions we make.

Be safe.

Not speaking about all our forum members; but I'm fairly confident the ones that I have met would have taken action. But of course, they wouldn't have shown the results on a TV show...

Mick-Boy
03-07-2013, 01:08
I'll just say this;

You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.