Dammit, Dudley....Stop Attacking the NRA

[Gman]

I get this email today about the NRA doing yet another backdoor deal and to send money to Dudley because he won't compromise.


It's happening...

According to Politico, Sen. Joe Manchin is in secret negotiations with unnamed NRA officials to sell out our gun rights.

I've warned you from the beginning that our gravest danger was an inside-Washington driven deal.

As Politico put it in an exclusive article entitled "NRA, Manchin Talking" this past Saturday, March 23rd, "a Manchin-NRA deal could draw in enough Republicans and red-state Democrats to defeat an expected GOP filibuster of the overall gun control bill."

Spreading false information (FUD) like this to raise funds makes you just as bad as the liberals that want to compromise our rights. Stop dividing the ranks. You need everyone on the side of freedom in this fight.

Maybe you need a friend over at the NRA so you can actually find the truth before you start slinging the poop;
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2013/1/statement-from-chris-w-cox-regarding-universal-background-checks.aspx

Damn. I want my $30 back already!

[spqrzilla]

Hear hear.

[DavieD55]

Here we go again.

[Bailey Guns]

It's annoying. Always has been.

[hatidua]

Damn. I want my $30 back already!

no kidding.

[DavieD55]

They still do more for you and I in CO than the NRA.

[Batteriesnare]

They still do more for you and I in CO than the NRA.

Oh yes, with all the positive press they attracted during the recent HB "debates."

[TFOGGER]

I too am tired of hearing from RMGO about how the NRA is selling us out, but if past performance is any indication, there may be a certain amount of truth in the allegations. The Brady Bill, the AWB, and the more noxious parts of FOPA were all negotiated by the NRA behind closed doors in the name of "reasonable compromise". In an ideal world, RMGO, NAGR, GOA, and the NRA would join forces, or at least coordinate their actions so they're not continually stepping on each other's dicks...

[sniper7]

It's happened in the past, it can easily happen again now. Hopefully the NRA doesn't give any ground.

[DavieD55]

Oh yes, with all the positive press they attracted during the recent HB "debates."
Perhaps you're living in Narnia if you think pro gun folks are going to receive any positive press in the media.

[Kraven251]

I've already filtered the RMGO mail. I still support both organizations, but we're divided, and as long as that happens we're in a losing position.

RMGO is always going to be the better voice in Colorado, and the NRA is our primary advocate on the national level. The NRA has negotiated deals that were compromises that cost us freedom, but I suspect the outcome would have been much worse without those compromises. The difference is the NRA is eyes wide open on the fact that we can't compromise anymore, as seen by many of the recent discussions.

[wreave]

Agreed! Tired of this crap.

[mahabali]

I am a RMGO member and do give them money but I have their emails go to junk.

[mtnhack]

<p>

They still do more for you and I in CO than the NRA.^^^This^^^. Where the hell was the NRA during COs sodomizing? It would have been in everyone s best interest for them to fight tooth and nail for us, if nothing more than to stop any BS gun-grabbing momentum from even starting.</p>

[XC700116]

<p>
^^^This^^^. Where the hell was the NRA during COs sodomizing? It would have been in everyone s best interest for them to fight tooth and nail for us, if nothing more than to stop any BS gun-grabbing momentum from even starting.</p>

They had a representative at each of the hearings, just like RMGO. I saw them, they sent out alerts, they did all the productive things that RMGO did and none of the backbiting childish shit.

I'm a member of both but honestly this shit is getting old and I'm going to start sending my money to the CO ILA instead of RMGO. This little sister tantrum shit is NOT helping ANYONE and obviously Dudley doesn't get it.

[hurley842002]

<p>
^^^This^^^. Where the hell was the NRA during COs sodomizing? It would have been in everyone s best interest for them to fight tooth and nail for us, if nothing more than to stop any BS gun-grabbing momentum from even starting.</p>

They paid for radio ads on several local stations...

[Great-Kazoo]

I too am tired of hearing from RMGO about how the NRA is selling us out, but if past performance is any indication, there may be a certain amount of truth in the allegations. The Brady Bill, the AWB, and the more noxious parts of FOPA were all negotiated by the NRA behind closed doors in the name of "reasonable compromise". In an ideal world, RMGO, NAGR, GOA, and the NRA would join forces, or at least coordinate their actions so they're not continually stepping on each other's dicks...

That would render Dudley irrelevant.

[Aloha_Shooter]

<p>
^^^This^^^. Where the hell was the NRA during COs sodomizing? It would have been in everyone s best interest for them to fight tooth and nail for us, if nothing more than to stop any BS gun-grabbing momentum from even starting.</p>
They were here. You had to be intentionally blind not to see them. I won't put RMGO down because we need to be united but I am tired of the counterproductive sniping at the NRA.

[DavieD55]

I've already filtered the RMGO mail. I still support both organizations, but we're divided, and as long as that happens we're in a losing position.

RMGO is always going to be the better voice in Colorado, and the NRA is our primary advocate on the national level. The NRA has negotiated deals that were compromises that cost us freedom, but I suspect the outcome would have been much worse without those compromises. The difference is the NRA is eyes wide open on the fact that we can't compromise anymore, as seen by many of the recent discussions.

+1


They were here. You had to be intentionally blind not to see them. I won't put RMGO down because we need to be united but I am tired of the counterproductive sniping at the NRA.

That is the bottom line.

[babirl]

+1



That is the bottom line.

Yep!

I've sent plenty of $ to both, plus NRA-ILA but I expect to see a united front sometime in the next few months on the legal front and election front... IMHO, It's now or never for my native CO.

Never in my life would I have believed where we are in my once great state... :(

[275RLTW]

Just because you are firing bullets doesn't mean you're helping the war. Then again, WTF does Dudley know other than his own BS? He's a politician and not to be trusted.

[Ronin13]

I agree with the points that RMGO constantly annoys me with the anti-NRA BS... I also agree we need to be united during all of this and the jabs at the "big, bad, shady deal making NRA" are not helpful or necessary. Dudley isn't helping the cause by attack the NRA and as an NRA member and RMGO member I humbly request that the infighting stop! I'm seriously thinking about not renewing my membership with RMGO if this shit continues. This is why the left is gaining ground, because we are not united. This is why Dickinpooper is our governor, and this is also why Obama got a second term- if we had a united front against the left, we would be running the show, not on the defensive. [Bang]

[HBARleatherneck]

how else can you get you share of the donations? if the majority of the donations are going to the NRA and you depend on the donations for your Livelihood, you have to attack everyone else. Homes in Windsor are not cheap.



wow, he has a super nice house and a condo.

[Zundfolge]

If you actually want to give money to an organization that is DOING SOMETHING other than fund raising off the Colorado gun laws, give money to The Independence Institute.

Dave Kopel is going to be lead attorney on their law suit to take these laws down.

http://www.joncaldara.com/2013/03/21/donate-independence-institute-second-amendment/

I don't have much money right now and I guarantee you the $10 I gave Jon Caldara will do more good than $100 given to RMGO.

I'm not going to bag on Dudley ... I believe his heart is in the right place, but he does seem more interested in tearing down the NRA than actually fighting FOR our rights (I'm sure in his mind the two things are one in the same).

[mtnhack]

They were here. You had to be intentionally blind not to see them. I won&#39;t put RMGO down because we need to be united but I am tired of the counterproductive sniping at the NRA. I call BS on this; I listened to KHOW and KCOL for at minimum of 3 hours daily during the bill push and I heard virtually zero in the way of radio commercials. The ones that I did hear were sponsored by RMGO.

I also watched nearly every minute of every bill&#39;s congressional testimony, so I also was regularly on 9news&#39; and the Post&#39;s sites every day and never saw anything from NRA. Dudley was our voice in both interviews and print. I have no desire to divide the movement, but I expected more from the NRA. Maybe you all thought they did enough, but I did not. My thought was that they knew it was a foregone conclusion so we were a why bother situation.
You may have a gripe with RMGO and the infighting, but that does not excuse the NRA, in my opinion.

[Great-Kazoo]

I call BS on this; I listened to KHOW and KCOL for at minimum of 3 hours daily during the bill push and I heard virtually zero in the way of radio commercials. The ones that I did hear were sponsored by RMGO.

I also watched nearly every minute of every bill&#39;s congressional testimony, so I also was regularly on 9news&#39; and the Post&#39;s sites every day and never saw anything from NRA. Dudley was our voice in both interviews and print. I have no desire to divide the movement, but I expected more from the NRA. Maybe you all thought they did enough, but I did not. My thought was that they knew it was a foregone conclusion so we were a why bother situation.
You may have a gripe with RMGO and the infighting, but that does not excuse the NRA, in my opinion.

OOPS!

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22474035/national-rifle-association-president-meet-gov-hickenlooper

http://www.9news.com/rss/article/313479/222/NRA-president-to-meet-with-Gov-Hickenlooper

http://www.koaa.com/news/nra-president-to-meet-with-colorado-governor/

http://kdvr.com/2013/02/07/nra-president-slated-for-meetings-at-the-capitol/

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/08/nra-meeting-with-colorado-dems-described-as-delightful/

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/3/colorado-let-governor-hickenlooper-hear.aspx

http://www.krextv.com/news/around-the-region/NRA-President-Plans-Trip-to-Speak-to-Gov-Hickenlooper-188960431.html

[Aloha_Shooter]

You can call BS but that doesn't make it so. The NRA was at the capitol meeting with legislators, they spread notices to gun owners. I got notices to call the legislators, call the governor, etc. LaPierre's meeting with Hickenlooper was announced weeks in advance and mentioned in every news source I looked at. The fact it didn't do anything to help had more to do with Hickenlooper's unwillingness to stray from Democrat orthodoxy than the NRA's efforts. I said you had to be intentionally blind to not see them and I stand by that statement. You can say you prefer Dudley's approach and that's something we can agree or disagree on but saying the NRA wasn't here, wasn't fighting, is at best ignorant.

[hurley842002]

I call BS on this; I listened to KHOW and KCOL for at minimum of 3 hours daily during the bill push and I heard virtually zero in the way of radio commercials. The ones that I did hear were sponsored by RMGO

You ever stop to think that maybe the NRA went big with the ads? I heard NRA ads twice on 98.5 KYGO (one of the most listened to stations in Colorado), and once on ALICE 105.9 (I believe this was the station).

[zulu01]

RMGO needs to focus their energy on fighting gun control instead of bashing the NRA every chance they get. I'm still fairly new to the CO firearms scene and I'm already tired of RMGOs negative comments. Due to these comments, I have held off joining RMGO.

[mtnhack]

OOPS! http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22474035/national-rifle-association-president-meet-gov-hickenlooper http://www.9news.com/rss/article/313479/222/NRA-president-to-meet-with-Gov-Hickenlooper http://www.koaa.com/news/nra-president-to-meet-with-colorado-governor/ http://kdvr.com/2013/02/07/nra-president-slated-for-meetings-at-the-capitol/ http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/08/nra-meeting-with-colorado-dems-described-as-delightful/ http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/3/colorado-let-governor-hickenlooper-hear.aspx http://www.krextv.com/news/around-the-region/NRA-President-Plans-Trip-to-Speak-to-Gov-Hickenlooper-188960431.htmlJim, those are all referencing the same meeting on February 7th, a month before the votes.


Aloha, I stand by what I said, the NRA didn't do enough. I got the NRA notices also, but I got more from RMGO in the form of mailings, and phone calls. For the amount of money that is in both organizations, I expected MORE from the group with all the funding. I am not attacking the NRA, I am saying they could have done more. If you want to agree to disagree on the tactics or presence of either group, fine. But you calling me blind and then ignorant is passive aggressive bullshit.

[brobar]

If you actually want to give money to an organization that is DOING SOMETHING other than fund raising off the Colorado gun laws, give money to The Independence Institute.

Dave Kopel is going to be lead attorney on their law suit to take these laws down.

http://www.joncaldara.com/2013/03/21/donate-independence-institute-second-amendment/

I don't have much money right now and I guarantee you the $10 I gave Jon Caldara will do more good than $100 given to RMGO.

I'm not going to bag on Dudley ... I believe his heart is in the right place, but he does seem more interested in tearing down the NRA than actually fighting FOR our rights (I'm sure in his mind the two things are one in the same).

AGREED! While I can't give a ton (closing on a house here soon), I've committed to giving $10-$20 each pay check to the independence institute until these lawsuits are over. I feel they'll put it to much greater use here locally than RMGO.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Jim, those are all referencing the same meeting on February 7th, a month before the votes.


Aloha, I stand by what I said, the NRA didn't do enough. I got the NRA notices also, but I got more from RMGO in the form of mailings, and phone calls. For the amount of money that is in both organizations, I expected MORE from the group with all the funding. I am not attacking the NRA, I am saying they could have done more. If you want to agree to disagree on the tactics or presence of either group, fine. But you calling me blind and then ignorant is passive aggressive bullshit.

What you said was


^^^This^^^. Where the hell was the NRA during COs sodomizing? It would have been in everyone s best interest for them to fight tooth and nail for us, if nothing more than to stop any BS gun-grabbing momentum from even starting.</p>

We have been pointing out they were here, they were fighting and they were meeting. You somehow missed the coverage of them working well in advance of the votes saying you "never saw anything from NRA" then backtrack by pointing out they were out here a month before the votes (working as quick as possible, go figure). Meanwhile, I have 28 NRA-ILA alerts specifically addressing Colorado from Jan 2d to Mar 22d including a notice on Fri Mar 1 about the change in Senate scheduling for Mon Mar 4.

I got phone calls, talking points to refute the gun grabbers, and legislative details. Typical e-mail included the following on Feb 13th:




Colorado: In the Face of Overwhelming Opposition, Anti-Gun Legislators Move Forward to Steal Away Your Rights


http://graphics.nra.org/ila/leg_alert/line.gif Beginning early on Tuesday morning, stretching late into the evening and then all day Wednesday, state legislators on the House Judiciary, Education and Finance Committees heard four anti-gun bills that would severely restrict your Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Colorado:

House Bill 1224 (http://www.nramedia.org/t/1131565/5135387/21732/0/) – Bans magazines with a capacity greater than fifteen rounds.

House Bill 1226 (http://www.nramedia.org/t/1131565/5135387/21733/0/) – Repeals current law allowing individuals with a concealed carry permit to carry a firearm for self-defense on a college or university campus.

House Bill 1228 (http://www.nramedia.org/t/1131565/5135387/21734/0/) – Imposes a “gun tax” for a background check when purchasing a firearm.

House Bill 1229 (http://www.nramedia.org/t/1131565/5135387/21735/0/) – Criminalizes the private transfer of a firearm.

Over the course of both days, with more than 18 hours of testimony being heard, hundreds of gun rights supporters packed the Old Supreme Court Chambers in the state Capitol to voice their opposition to these misguided bills. The dedication by these ardent supporters of the Second Amendment to take time away from their jobs on weekdays and stand in unified opposition, on such short notice, is a testament to the strength of support for gun rights in the Centennial State.

Dismissing the opposition of hundreds of Colorado residents at these hearings, anti-gun legislators in all three House committees voted along party lines to push through their approach at legislating away your constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms. With their justification for passage merely nothing more than an emotional argument at its best, these rights-infringing zealots are moving with lightning speed to put these bills on the House floor by this Friday for a second reading by the entire legislative chamber.


WE NEED YOU to stand united in this monumental fight and COME TO THE HOUSE GALLERY on Friday, February 15th to hold your state Representative accountable by making sure they vote NO on these restrictive bills.
Session will convene at 9:00 a.m. on Friday. Please make plans to arrive no later than 8:30 a.m. to ensure a seat. If you are unable to attend session, please call AND e-mail your state Representative using the contact information provided here (http://www.nramedia.org/t/1131565/5135387/20700/0/).

The NRA thanks you for your dedication to this cause so far. We cannot win this fight without your help. Please stay tuned to www.nraila.org (http://www.nramedia.org/t/1131565/5135387/21736/0/) for further updates and information.



What's missing there? Oh yeah, they asked for me to act but didn't ask for money. Hmmm ....

[Great-Kazoo]

Jim, those are all referencing the same meeting on February 7th, a month before the votes.


Aloha, I stand by what I said, the NRA didn't do enough. I got the NRA notices also, but I got more from RMGO in the form of mailings, and phone calls. For the amount of money that is in both organizations, I expected MORE from the group with all the funding. I am not attacking the NRA, I am saying they could have done more. If you want to agree to disagree on the tactics or presence of either group, fine. But you calling me blind and then ignorant is passive aggressive bullshit.

I have no desire to divide the movement, butI expected more from the NRA. Maybe you all thought they did enough, but I did not. My thought was that they knew it was a foregone conclusion so we were a why bother situation.

Had you been in the LOOP you would have KNOWN The NRA was here a month before the legislature went in to overdrive. Hoping to rattle some "common sense" in to Hick. 1 MONTH BEFORE, IF you were INVOLVED in something other than JUST RMGO. You would have known this info same as us who are NRA members. I didn't see anything from Dudley 30 days prior to the show, I do receive his / RMGO's e-mails etc.

REGARDING PASSIVE AGRESSIVE I linked multiple sites to show the DP, 9 news and multiple other media outlets CARRIED / COVERED the NRA in town. Had you been MORE INVOLVED you too would have been up to date. I POINTED out you were perhaps inattentive following the NEWS since the GUN CONTROL ISSUE HAS BEEN ONGOING SINCE DECEMBER.
Your missing the NEWS and trying to shift the focus to what you feel is me being passive aggressive is off base. I'll accept your apology now vs waiting for you to ramble on and still defend Your Inability to UNDERSTAND the NRA has Been involved.





What you said was



We have been pointing out they were here, they were fighting and they were meeting. You somehow missed the coverage of them working well in advance of the votes saying you "never saw anything from NRA" then backtrack by pointing out they were out here a month before the votes (working as quick as possible, go figure). Meanwhile, I have 28 NRA-ILA alerts specifically addressing Colorado from Jan 2d to Mar 22d including a notice on Fri Mar 1 about the change in Senate scheduling for Mon Mar 4.

I got phone calls, talking points to refute the gun grabbers, and legislative details. Typical e-mail included the following on Feb 13th:



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[/B]What's missing there? Oh yeah, they asked for me to act but didn't ask for money. Hmmm ....


No sense affirming anything, Unless you do it in a PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE MANNER. Sit back and take notes son.

[mtnhack]

I didn't save all of the emails, so I have no idea when the CO legislative specific RMGO emails began. It sure seemed like it was from the beginning.



I knew LaP met with the governor, and I got their emails. That is not the same as having an NRA rep at the congressional hearings or meeting with the press and holding press conferences.


Holy shit! All this was going on since DECEMBER? Well no wonder I was out of the LOOP. [facepalm] And good luck with any apology.

[Aloha_Shooter]

This shit was going on since the election results made it clear where Democrats were going with their agendas both in state and nationwide -- and especially hours after Newtown when liberals were shamelessly using the incident to plug their gun control agendas. Not our fault that you weren't paying attention, we're just reacting to your initial implied accusation that the NRA hasn't been doing anything in Colorado.

I could care less whether you apologize as long as you wake up and smell the coffee.

The fact of the matter is that the Democratically-controlled Senate and House were flat out ignoring any anti-gun control testimony. The NRA's strategy of getting CITIZENS and CONSTITUENTS to contact their legislators was the only one that had a prayer of working and we all see what happened: Senator Morse told his fellow Democrats to ignore their constituents so they dumped our e-mails, ignored our phone calls, shredded our letters and did their crossword puzzles during testimony.

Quit whining about the NRA and get involved in recalling these weasels to show the Democrats there is a heavy price to be paid for this radical agenda.

[XC700116]

I didn't save all of the emails, so I have no idea when the CO legislative specific RMGO emails began. It sure seemed like it was from the beginning.



I knew LaP met with the governor, and I got their emails. That is not the same as having an NRA rep at the congressional hearings or meeting with the press and holding press conferences.


Holy shit! All this was going on since DECEMBER? Well no wonder I was out of the LOOP. [facepalm] And good luck with any apology.

Speaking of [facepalm] How many times have we said they WERE at the hearings, and DID testify, just because you didn't happen to either see it or have selective memory doesn't mean it isn't so, I saw it with my own eyes.

[Ronin13]

Everyone talking about NRA this, RMGO that, they didn't do enough... blah blah blah- it doesn't matter what they did or didn't do. The democraps don't listen, they refused to accept any difference of opinion on the matter. NRA could have said "We'll contribute $10,000 to your reelection if you vote these down." Wouldn't have made a lick of difference. 99% of the time, in this legislative body that we have, if you have a "D" after your name, you're going to vote what the Dem-party line is. So go ahead, scream and holler until you're blue in the face- they're not listening.

[spqrzilla]

Not entirely, Ronin13. Michael Bloomberg made a lot of backroom promises, as did Obama's immense OFA campaign org. We think we can out perform those at the election polls and we are going to have to prove it next election.

[mtnhack]

This shit was going on since the election results made it clear where Democrats were going with their agendas both in state and nationwide -- and especially hours after Newtown when liberals were shamelessly using the incident to plug their gun control agendas. Not our fault that you weren't paying attention, .... .You need to get your sarcasm detector checked; there was a FTF.

[DavieD55]

http://youtu.be/91MFWIoxjpo

[losttrail]

No matter how much money the NRA, RMGO, GOA or any other pro-gun organization would have put into Colorado, no matter if 100% of testimony would have been against these bills, no matter if the Marxists (Democrats) could not have gotten even one person to testify in favor of these bills, these bills would still have passed.

The (D's) have their majority, they hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and freedom. They want to control the people. End of story.

I just returned from D.C. last night after spending 5 days back there visiting Arlington National Cemetery, the monuments and museums with one of my daughters for spring break. After reading the documents and inscriptions at the Jefferson Memorial, Lincoln Memorial, Library of Congress, National Archives, etc., I now know with 100% certainty that Democrats are completely against America. The Democrat Party Platform is totally anti-American. The modern Democrat is a Marxist bent of the destruction of our nation and way of life.

They are traitors and should be dealt with as such.

[DavieD55]

This here is for all you anti RMGO folks. [fyou][goFyourself]

[XC700116]

This here is for all you anti RMGO folks. [fyou][goFyourself]

Newsflash, most of the people here that are pissed about Dudley's attacking the NRA, aren't "Anti RMGO" They are members, as am I.

IF you think dudley's such hot shit on this, Please explain how in the world his spending so much of his time with RMGO and GOA, attacking the NRA is helping OUR gun rights?

Or is it maybe, just maybe ONLY to help Dudley's fund raising? - which is obviously questionable at best because he's driving membership away by doing so.

He might as well be getting on a stage and screaming "We're divided now, you can come and do whatever you want and you won't have an organized opposition!" How on gods green earth can his trying to divide gun owners support do ANY good whatsoever. Great, you're a tough guy that doesn't compromise, that's fine and dandy, but guess what, how do you think we got here today and do you have any fucking clue how to turn that clock back? Obviously not.

[DavieD55]

Newsflash, most of the people here that are pissed about Dudley's attacking the NRA, aren't "Anti RMGO" They are members, as am I.

IF you think dudley's such hot shit on this, Please explain how in the world his spending so much of his time with RMGO and GOA, attacking the NRA is helping OUR gun rights?

Or is it maybe, just maybe ONLY to help Dudley's fund raising? - which is obviously questionable at best because he's driving membership away by doing so.

He might as well be getting on a stage and screaming "We're divided now, you can come and do whatever you want and you won't have an organized opposition!" How on gods green earth can his trying to divide gun owners support do ANY good whatsoever. Great, you're a tough guy that doesn't compromise, that's fine and dandy, but guess what, how do you think we got here today and do you have any fucking clue how to turn that clock back? Obviously not.


Go ahead and refer to post #42.

[Great-Kazoo]

No matter how much money the NRA, RMGO, GOA or any other pro-gun organization would have put into Colorado, no matter if 100% of testimony would have been against these bills, no matter if the Marxists (Democrats) could not have gotten even one person to testify in favor of these bills, these bills would still have passed.

The (D's) have their majority, they hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and freedom. They want to control the people. End of story.

I just returned from D.C. last night after spending 5 days back there visiting Arlington National Cemetery, the monuments and museums with one of my daughters for spring break. After reading the documents and inscriptions at the Jefferson Memorial, Lincoln Memorial, Library of Congress, National Archives, etc., I now know with 100% certainty that Democrats are completely against America. The Democrat Party Platform is totally anti-American. The modern Democrat is a Marxist bent of the destruction of our nation and way of life.

They are traitors and should be dealt with as such.

I've as our families have known for many years the D agenda is not conducive for a strong , safe and free country




Newsflash, most of the people here that are pissed about Dudley's attacking the NRA, aren't "Anti RMGO" They are members, as am I.

IF you think dudley's such hot shit on this, Please explain how in the world his spending so much of his time with RMGO and GOA, attacking the NRA is helping OUR gun rights?

Or is it maybe, just maybe ONLY to help Dudley's fund raising? - which is obviously questionable at best because he's driving membership away by doing so.

He might as well be getting on a stage and screaming "We're divided now, you can come and do whatever you want and you won't have an organized opposition!" How on gods green earth can his trying to divide gun owners support do ANY good whatsoever. Great, you're a tough guy that doesn't compromise, that's fine and dandy, but guess what, how do you think we got here today and do you have any fucking clue how to turn that clock back? Obviously not.


^This^.
I see some upset people because the "Facts" are clear and they feel as if the "facts" being used are done to attack RMGO. That is not the case. What is / has been done is due to "some members" upset with the truth.
Giving us the finger is childish at best. Giving me more confirmation the ones doing it are under 30 (easy) if that. Like the D's believers their cause is the only and just one, no matter how much the public says other wise.
IF The NRA behaved the way Dudley is, their membership would not be where it is today.

Unfortunately when you say RMGO, a lot of people think Dudley. While there are 100's if not more RMGO members doing the phone calls, letter writing and in attendance at the capitol as well as every town meeting the D's put on. THAT'S THE RMGO everyone forgets exist, no thanks in part to Dudley.

Now get upset, attack me or other members with " righteous condemnation" that we are trying to tear down RMGO instead of stating why "we" are disappointed

[palepainter]

Lets face it people, none of our efforts made a damn difference, that includes the NRA and RMGO. You know the the Dems weren't reading the emails or listening to the messages. They themselves, admitted to the blind eyes and ears they turned on us. Not one consideration was given by the left towards rational thinking. They just were not interested in common sense. So if anyone is going to flip anyone off, I say...point it at the Dems in this state. Flipping us guys off who threw money where ever we felt it would be helpful is just bullshit. I gave to both the NRA and RMGO. Maybe there is a payback policy, because they both failed IMO.

[HBARleatherneck]

Maybe there is a payback policy, because they both failed IMO. yes, but my NRA membership got me a magazine at least. my rmgo membership just got me spammed with the same emails day after day.

[palepainter]

True. My NRA membership got me a nice pocket knife too.

[HBARleatherneck]

wait, you got a pocket knife? i didnt even get a hat. and I am a life member. I am off to start an, I hate the NRA thread.

[StagLefty]

wait, you got a pocket knife? i didnt even get a hat. and I am a life member. I am off to start an, I hate the NRA thread.

Haters gotta hate !!! JK [ROFL2]

[DavieD55]

If y'all dislike it so much go start your own pro gun organization and become proactive and make the changes you would like to see. You will find out how difficult is, should be much easier for the right person. Until that time stop whining on the keyboard about an orginization that does ten times what the NRA does for you in CO.

[XC700116]

Go ahead and refer to post #42.

And all you have is to say Fuck you to another person who's spent time, money, and effort to help stop this shit (including helping RMGO), and blindly tow Dudley's line. Good for you, you're no better than the Democrats in office that have handed us this shit sandwich.

You don't even have the balls to answer a couple questions, or present any facts to argue your stance. Wow, good job internet tough guy. [fail]

[DavieD55]

And all you have is to say Fuck you to another person who's spent time, money, and effort to help stop this shit (including helping RMGO), and blindly tow Dudley's line. Good for you, you're no better than the Democrats in office that have handed us this shit sandwich.

You don't even have the balls to answer a couple questions, or present any facts to argue your stance. Wow, good job internet tough guy. [fail]

No need to argue over something as petty as that. Maybe you should become more involved in politics, take on some responsibility for your own actions and stop looking for someone to point your finger at. Trust me, this mess we find ourselves in isn't because of RMGO, It is because of people who are out of touch with our political process/realities.

[sniper7]

People are pissed we lost and are looking for a scapegoat. Focus that energy to beating the dems next election cycle and recalling them right now. That is Dudley's next plan according to the PAC email. I saw both the NRA and rmgo down at the capitol. They were there every day. The legislators knew Dudley well. They are. A great local presence. Maybe he will chime in and explain why he doesn't believe the NRA did enough.

Either way, everyone didn't do enough to let the edema control everything. Now we need to work twice as hard to reverse it.

[XC700116]

No need to argue over something as petty as that. Maybe you should become more involved in politics, take on some responsibility for your own actions and stop looking for someone to point your finger at. Trust me, this mess we find ourselves in isn't because of RMGO, It is because of people who are out of touch with our political process/realities.


Ahhh, how is my pointing out the fact that Dudley is doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of (see the highlighted portion) not doing exactly what you are accusing me of not doing???? And I'm not blaming RMGO or the NRA (unlike some here) for losing, I'm blaming DUDLEY for one thing and one thing only - Doing his damndest at every turn to discredit and hammer the NRA for one goal and only one goal, to get membership and donation $$$.

That and how about you stop to think for a second that maybe I AM very active, heavily involved in actually doing something and am getting pissed because Dudley's antics are counterproductive. I do take responsibility for my actions, and I also am not shy about holding others responsible for theirs. Dudley's actions on THIS SUBJECT (attacking the NRA baselessly) are well documented and very repetitive. He is the one whom claims to speak for his membership, not me, and guess what, he's not getting any more money from me from here on out, I'll send that money to the ILA. You don't see the NRA or ILA bashing other pro-gun orgs over the head do you?

Oh and For what it's worth, I've also volunteered for local ILA actions, as well as been to the capitol numerous times through this process to be left standing in line, like many others here, I just haven't been overly vocal about it here.

[XC700116]

People are pissed we lost and are looking for a scapegoat. Focus that energy to beating the dems next election cycle and recalling them right now. That is Dudley's next plan according to the PAC email. I saw both the NRA and rmgo down at the capitol. They were there every day. The legislators knew Dudley well. They are. A great local presence. Maybe he will chime in and explain why he doesn't believe the NRA did enough.

Either way, everyone didn't do enough to let the edema control everything. Now we need to work twice as hard to reverse it.

I agree with the general sentiment of what you're saying in this post, but to the highligted part- Isn't that EXACTLY what Dudley is doing, and has been doing with regards to the NRA over and over again? That's my problem with him. Why does he feel it productive to keep wasting effort pounding the NRA over the head? He's repeatedly jumped to conclusions from spin articles in the left wing media without even bothering to look at the NRA's statement on them. He does 3 things that are completely detrimental to the cause by doing that.

1. To those not bothering to get the whole story, they make the most powerful gun rights organization in the country look bad.
2. To those who actually care enough to find out the story, he makes himself and by defacto RMGO look horrible, and like the runner up for prom queen that throws a hissy fit.
3. Generally divides and demoralizes the entire movement, which plays right into the opponents hands. (just look at this thread and the MANY others on the subject)

I truly appreciate his effort in fighting the good fight, but Christ this stuff just kills all that effort in a few quick swings, and I can no longer support him in doing so. Until he gets it through his head that I and many RMGO members don't want to see our time and donation dollars spent on playing into the hands of the gun grabbers by dividing organizations that should be allies, I'll be withholding my donations of time and money, and directing them elsewhere.

Sometimes not compromising to help to make the situation better than it is, is just losing and ignoring the reality that it is an up hill battle for us right now either way. Remember how we've gotten here in the larger sense, bit by bit, and we arent' going to take it all back in one swing. We'll have to do it bit by bit, lawsuit by lawsuit, and election by election, just like they got us. It's all the little batttles won that win the war.

[DavieD55]

Ahhh, how is my pointing out the fact that Dudley is doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of (see the highlighted portion) not doing exactly what you are accusing me of not doing???? And I'm not blaming RMGO or the NRA (unlike some here) for losing, I'm blaming DUDLEY for one thing and one thing only - Doing his damndest at every turn to discredit and hammer the NRA for one goal and only one goal, to get membership and donation $$$.

That and how about you stop to think for a second that maybe I AM very active, heavily involved in actually doing something and am getting pissed because Dudley's antics are counterproductive. I do take responsibility for my actions, and I also am not shy about holding others responsible for theirs. Dudley's actions on THIS SUBJECT (attacking the NRA baselessly) are well documented and very repetitive. He is the one whom claims to speak for his membership, not me, and guess what, he's not getting any more money from me from here on out, I'll send that money to the ILA. You don't see the NRA or ILA bashing other pro-gun orgs over the head do you?

Oh and For what it's worth, I've also volunteered for local ILA actions, as well as been to the capitol numerous times through this process to be left standing in line, like many others here, I just haven't been overly vocal about it here.
You make a valid point and I'm not going to argue that with you.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Anybody else think DavieD55 might just be another account for Dudley?

[tinhat]

[Aloha_Shooter]

Anybody else think DavieD55 might just be another account for Dudley?

[tinhat]

Nah, the very fact he acknowledged someone made a valid point proves it's not Dudley.

[palepainter]

I'm not knocking any efforts on behalf of the NRA or RMGO. I am just stating a simple fact that the efforts failed. All of us, including all the phone calls and emails I made, didn't make a rats ass of a difference. I was kind of joking about the refund. I am simply stating, there was no place for the efforts to have an effect. These people can not be talked to or negotiated with.