Les Fletcher of Plano, TX ripped me off on Armslist - need ideas

[davsel]

I made a deal with Les Fletcher of Plano, TX through Armslist ( http://www.armslist.com/posts/1106355/dallas-texas-gun-parts-for-sale-trade--m16-ar15-bolt-carrier-group ) to purchase 2 BCGs. He had me PayPal gift $500 to Dalia.Genena@Gmail.com on Feb 21. I did not hear back from Les Fletcher ( les.fletcher@netgreenmedical.com ) until I emailed him on Feb 27 to ask about the BCGs. He replied that they "went out today." I waited until Mar 17 before I sent another email to Les, and he replied that he "will check." I have not received anything more from Les. I sent an email to Dalia Genena stating that I wanted to get in contact with Les, and she replied that she would talk to him. I have not heard back from her either.

Yes, I know, don't use PayPal, don't gift to anyone you do not completely trust, ...
I did exchange several emails and phone calls before making this transaction. But, I won't let it happen to me again.

I believe I got burned, and I would like some ideas as to how I may get at least some of my cash back. Anyone familiar with Les Fletcher or Dalia Genena in Plano, TX would be great info. All I have is email addresses and a couple of phone numbers.

Feel free to mock me for my trust, I can take it.

Thanks for any help/ideas you can provide,
Dave

ETA:
****** UPDATE ********
Today, May 28, after numerous emails, phone calls, and legal threats, I received the merchandise, that was ordered and paid for on 21 Feb, from Les Fletcher.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Sorry to hear it.. but for future transaction use paypal + escrow.com

[brobar]

*** edit ***

Removing... apparently either the wrong Les Fletcher.

[Special Ed]

Dave, have you contacted PayPal and opened a dispute? I'm not sure if their normal rules apply when the money was sent as a gift but usually if there's a product to be shipped as part of the agreement, PayPal will take the side of the buyer unless the seller can prove that the item was shipped and received. And this proof has to be in the way of online tracking.

Unfortunately I think that's the only option you have. If there's no specific product or auction or sales data tied to the transaction (such as would automatically be populated had you bought through eBay), you may be able to prove to PayPal through providing them emails of the transaction that the gift was for a product and that the seller asked for the payment as a "gift" in order to bypass paying the PayPal transaction fees. If they accept that, the seller will have to prove he sent the product and, if he can't, PayPal will debit his account and credit yours.

[henpecked]

pm sent and do what brobar says

[blacklabel]

I'm not sure how much help PayPal will be considering the payment was a gift and they don't allow payments for firearms parts. You were skirting their terms which may cause them to ignore the whole thing altogether.

[Special Ed]

This is a very good point. I hadn't read their terms so didn't know firearms parts weren't authorized.

[hatidua]

This is a very good point. I hadn't read their terms so didn't know firearms parts weren't authorized.

I think 'parts' might be OK -eBay owns Paypal and there are countless thousands, if not millions of gun parts on eBay. There are quite a few people on this very forum that have surely sold gun parts on eBay and have been paid through Paypal. The gift thing could be sticky but there's not much to lose by calling Paypal about it at this point.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I think you just learned an expensive lesson but you knew that already so here goes ...

You have three main problems. First, you have to physically find this Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena. Second, you have to prove the ones you find physically are the same people you've corresponded with. Third, you have to get legal action to get your money back.

First things first, finding them: Spokeo shows a Dalia Genena in Garland, TX (http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Dalia+Genena&s3=t30&global=true#:6285186471) which is fairly close to Plano and a Lester Fletcher in Sachse, TX (http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Les+Fletcher&s4=t30&global=true#:1226138437) which is also fairly close to Plano. Whitepages.com shows a Dalia Genena in Plano itself.

Next, proving they are who you talked to. The fact they told you Plano rather than the small towns listed in Spokeo suggests to me someone was using their names as cover but I could just be a suspicious paranoid bastard. You'll be superlucky if the phone numbers you have are close to the ones listed by Spokeo or a reverse phone number search hits the same addresses found in Spokeo or Whitepages.com. Be prepared to find out someone else used their names -- especially since one of those is a gmail account. Unfortunately, Whois.com shows netgreenmedical.com is a domain registered through a proxy in Arizona and administered by Godaddy so you're unlikely to find a human contact that knows this "Les Fletcher" except by doing a reverse phone number trace on the phone numbers they gave you.

Last, getting some money back. You could try to refine the addresses from Spokeo or Whitepages and send a registered letter containing an invoice for the $500 and copies of the Armslist listing and your e-mail correspondence and Paypal transaction log since they haven't delivered the product. Request a reply by a specific reasonable date (say 2 weeks from when you mail it). If it's a scam, the problem you've got in getting your money back is that you told Paypal it was a gift. If it's not a scam, you can file a claim against them in small claims court using the correspondence and ad as proof that it was NOT a gift and the registered letter as proof that they received the request for a refund or resolution and were unresponsive. If you're lucky enough to get a judgment against them, you MIGHT be able to sell that claim to a processor for a fraction of the damages you win from the court. You should also consider filing a wire fraud complaint but I'm not sure who you'd file it with since you didn't conduct the transaction through the USPS.

[brobar]

Dalia is (or was... who knows if she still is) a "Director of Revenue" at NetGreen Medical in Plano. http://netgreenmedical.com/

But like Aloha said... these could be names that were just used by somebody else. Stolen identities perhaps. Both Dalia and Les seem to be in IT though... so there is the potential they have a little scam going themselves. Who knows? One would think they would be smart enough not to use their real names and/or email addresses... but maybe that is giving them too much credit. hehe

Good luck. I've done all I can do to help!

[BPTactical]

Here are a couple of ideas:
Never buy from parties unknown.
Never buy from out of state individuals.
Never buy overpriced items.

In simple terms, never buy off of Armslist.


The second you tell PayPal it is anything firearm related you are screwed. PP will close your account and you will have no recourse.

[blacklabel]

I had a PayPal account completely shut down and my money held for 6 months because I sold a few SKS accessories through another forum. This was 7 years ago or so and I can't imagine that they've become more tolerant of it during that time.

Their acceptable use policy simply says "some firearms accessories". Nice and vague.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't think the "parts" issue will be the problem with PayPal. The fact you sent money as a gift for merchandise to avoid fees for you and/or the seller might be a problem.

We had a hard time getting a merchant account so we use PayPal for our concealed carry classes. They know about it and are fine with it. As long as it's not guns or scary "hi-cap" mags I think you're OK.

[HBARleatherneck]

I had a PayPal account completely shut down and my money held for 6 months because I sold a few SKS accessories through another forum. This was 7 years ago or so and I can't imagine that they've become more tolerant of it during that time.

Their acceptable use policy simply says "some firearms accessories". Nice and vague. i think they have become more lenient, as of late. i was looking for some parts in the last couple months and the wording about what they allow suprised me. ebay and paypal are one. how could they not allow payments on ebay with their own payment company paypal?

[BushMasterBoy]

Did they say they will mail them to you? Maybe contact US Postal Inspector about mail fraud? I am betting $500 is considered small change, but if they have done this to hundreds of folks, LE might act and arrest them. It is worth a shot...

[drift_g35]

Here is Dalia's Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/dalia.genena.5?fref=ts

[newracer]

Why would you send money to someone else that the person you where purchasing from?

[BushMasterBoy]

If the paypal was charged to a credit card, call the CC company and start a dispute of charges.

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

if you would have done a standard paypal transaction you would be golden but since you did a gift you are screwed as far as paypal goes. You might have to take him to small claims court. Paypal gift offers no buyer protection

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

If the paypal was charged to a credit card, call the CC company and start a dispute of charges.

this might work

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

also I think you can report him to armslist and they will block his IP address and email

[battle_sight_zero]

I have bought several Sig p220 mags on eBay and several 10 round Saiga 12 mags. These were from active stores.

[davsel]

I was able to do a reverse phone number lookup and sure enough it came back to a Lesle Teniison Fletcher in Jersey City, NJ.
I used instantcheckmate.com to find out more info on him and Dalia.
Who'd a thunk: Dalia Kismet Genena has a criminal record for THEFT >=$20<$500 BY CHECK out of Denton, TX. I should be able to put some pressure on her since she is the one who received my money.

Thanks, Aloha-Shooter, for the advice. I believe I will pursue this path.


Just FYI:
ARMSLIST - TERMS OF USE
...
II understand that ARMSLIST DOES NOT become involved in transactions between parties and does not certify, investigate, or in any way guarantee the legal capacity of any party to transact.
...

When I attempted to enter a dispute through PayPal (didn't figure it would work) I got this:
"We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly."

I did not use a CC, so that dispute option is out.

Time for legal threats/actions.

Thanks for all the suggestions, and if you are bored and can provide more info on Leslie Teniison Fletcher or Dalie Kismet Genena, I'd appreciate it - I don't do FaceBook. Feel free to PM or Email me.

Thanks,
Dave

[brobar]

Now that someone posted Dalia's facebook page... I was able to find the Les Fletcher that she is friends with. Apparently it wasn't the one I listed above but is instead... this Les "Teniison" Fletcher from Scottsdale, AZ.

It shows on his page that he is in a relationship with Dalia: http://facebook.com/teniison (https://www.facebook.com/teniison)

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/21949_1180037871209_6811777_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/670_213939898747752_1383570805_n.jpg

[davsel]

Now that someone posted Dalia's facebook page... I was able to find the Les Fletcher that she is friends with. Apparently it wasn't the one I listed above but is instead... this Les "Teniison" Fletcher from Scottsdale, AZ.

It shows on his page that he is in a relationship with Dalia: http://facebook.com/teniison (https://www.facebook.com/teniison)

Nice! Thanks!

[davsel]

I just sent the following email to Dalia and CC'd a Texas attorney (childhood friend of mine).

Well, Dalia Kismet Genena (DOB XXX), looks like we have a problem.

I sent $500 to your PayPal account, and Leslie Teniison Fletcher (DOB XXX) has not sent me the 2 M16 Bolt Carrier Groups as agreed. He has also stopped responding to my emails or taking my calls. I am afraid I may now be forced to pursue criminal charges against you and Les for theft.




You may be familiar with how this works, seeing as how you had a bit of bad luck in 1997 with passing bad checks and THEFT >=$20 <$500 BY CHECK. Then, it appears you met Les and shared in a civil judgement against the two of you in 2012.




I am sorry Les got you involved in this scam. However, you accepted $500 from me for merchandise that I never received. You are now liable, and I intend to be reimbursed.




It's amazing what you can find out when your wife works for the CSPD. Who by the way, is more than upset with me for sending you the money in the first place. You see, she is less trusting than I; comes with the territory.




I suggest you return the $500 to my PayPal account at XXX@gmail.com (selander.david@gmail.com) and I will consider this unpleasant issue resolved.

I will wait until Monday for my funds to be returned before taking further legal action against you and Les.




I pray you do the right thing.




Thanks,

David


I guess I will now wait and see. Fortunately, my sister lives outside of Ft. Worth, so maybe I will have an excuse to go down and visit her.

[thebriarman]

Not quite sure but there may be some Federal crime involved here also if it's across state lines; if two people involved may include conspiracy. May be something to look into.

[brianakell]

paypal will dispute for goods not received. Gift or not. Just did my a gift dispute last month. No tracking, he gets no $.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Erm, you may want to edit that post and take a few of the personally identifying details out. Also, you could incur some liability by posting some of HER PII on a web forum so ... glad you found them but clean this up.

[BushMasterBoy]

Intelius.com will get you all their info for $2

[davsel]

paypal will dispute for goods not received. Gift or not. Just did my a gift dispute last month. No tracking, he gets no $.

PayPal resolution center asks for the transaction ID to start a claim. When I enter the ID of this "gift" transaction, all I get is a message stating, "We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly." And that is all.

[colorider]

Personally, I would have made the letter more formal and more demanding. Stating all the facts and leaving out personal stuff like your sister working for xxxx. Can be interpreted as an idle threat or shenanigans. I send several demand letters a month and make sure they only state facts and demand money or contact by a certain date or time.
Your next step should be to send a certified letter in the mail to her address. That gets their attention fast.! Cheap to do.

[davsel]

Personally, I would have made the letter more formal and more demanding. Stating all the facts and leaving out personal stuff like your sister working for xxxx. Can be interpreted as an idle threat or shenanigans. I send several demand letters a month and make sure they only state facts and demand money or contact by a certain date or time.
Your next step should be to send a certified letter in the mail to her address. That gets their attention fast.! Cheap to do.

You're probably right. I've just been at home, sick all day searching out their personal information on the net. I found several court cases against each of them individually and one of the two of them together where they have been ripping people off since the mid 90s. Just pisses me off. I wanted to let them know I have their personal information; that they will have trouble hiding from me. Probably should have toned it down with just the facts. Yes, my next step will be a certified letter demanding payment. Then filing in small claims court.

[wreave]

You're probably right. I've just been at home, sick all day searching out their personal information on the net. I found several court cases against each of them individually and one of the two of them together where they have been ripping people off since the mid 90s. Just pisses me off. I wanted to let them know I have their personal information; that they will have trouble hiding from me. Probably should have toned it down with just the facts. Yes, my next step will be a certified letter demanding payment. Then filing in small claims court.

Do your best to get criminal charges filed as well. Small claims is a pain and you will probably win, but the hassle is extensive. If they have a history of this, perhaps the DA will be more interested than if it were just a one-off.

[colorider]

Keep digging and keep up with the pressure. This pigs need to get you your money back. Post up your situation on other forums so other people don't get screwed. Also , you may get more info out of people who have been scammed

[rockhound]

man if you wanted to give away $500 you should have just called

next time send usps money order, you would then have an address and ripping you off becomes a federal crime. USPS will prosecute

[davsel]

****UPDATE****
After not hearing back from Les or Dalia, I sent another EMail to Les entitled, "Last Chance," in which I gave him 24 hours to contact me or I would file criminal/civil charges.

Les actually contacted me!


David,

The parts were sent, I do not know what it is all about.

For all I know you received them and are pushing the issue for some reason.

It has been 3 weeks since your last correspondence, I considered
the matter settled and that you received them and that was why
I had not heard from you.

Now you put a threat of charges and ultimatum of 24 hours?

I am across the country on business and do not need the dramatic
way you came across in the last email.

I will be back to look into it on monday and to be thorough I will check
everything on my side to make sure that nothing fell thru the cracks.



I Emailed him back with a rundown of the five times I have attempted to contact him since last hearing from him on 18 March. Kept it civil.

Now taking bets on when/if he contacts me again.

FYI - I contacted PayPal and exchanged several emails with their Dispute Center.
Conclusion: I cannot dispute a "gift," no matter the circumstances.

[MrPrena]

****UPDATE****
After not hearing back from Les or Dalia, I sent another EMail to Les entitled, "Last Chance," in which I gave him 24 hours to contact me or I would file criminal/civil charges.

Les actually contacted me!

David,

The parts were sent, I do not know what it is all about.

For all I know you received them and are pushing the issue for some reason.

It has been 3 weeks since your last correspondence, I considered
the matter settled and that you received them and that was why
I had not heard from you.

Now you put a threat of charges and ultimatum of 24 hours?

I am across the country on business and do not need the dramatic
way you came across in the last email.

I will be back to look into it on monday and to be thorough I will check
everything on my side to make sure that nothing fell thru the cracks.



I Emailed him back with a rundown of the five times I have attempted to contact him since last hearing from him on 18 March. Kept it civil.

Now taking bets on when/if he contacts me again.

FYI - I contacted PayPal and exchanged several emails with their Dispute Center.
Conclusion: I cannot dispute a "gift," no matter the circumstances.


Hope it gets resolved.
Good to know that ppal "Gift" cannot be disputed.
I will probably pay that 3.5% to seller, and have somewhat protection from now on.

[colorider]

Bet he still has the product and says his girlfriend forgot to mail them. Will say he was out of the country and she was supposed to handle the shipping. Or some other mixup and he will refund the money. Only thing that got his attention was your research and the demand letter. If he had really sent them, I would think he would have been on it right away with tracking numbers.

[CHA-LEE]

You are being taken advantage of. Realistically there is nothing you can do to "Right" the situation which is above board given the circumstances. You screwed yourself by trying to take the "Cheap/Easy" way out by paying for the transaction as a gift using PayPal. If you paid via a postal money order or credit card you would have had some leverage in getting a refund. Or at least sicking the law on them for mail fraud.

If you know their home/business address there is nothing stopping you from getting on a plane or driving to where they are and attempting to get the issue resolved in person, which could be tricky.

I was able to resolve an "Internet Purchase Gone Bad" scenario by tracking the dead beat down and showing up in person demanding my money back. Its funny how things get resolved quickly when you are there in person and there is no out except for dealing with the situation right then.

[kidicarus13]

Is anyone in jail yet?

[T-Giv]

It only takes one scam to teach the lesson. I have been scammed hard myself and vowed to do my homework and be able to prevent crap like this in the future. Hope it all gets resolved.

[davsel]

Actually, I was just looking up his address to send him and Dalia certified letters stating my intention to file. He has responded to a couple of emails, last one stating that maybe it fell through the cracks and he would check again. He never follows up. I'm certain he's just stringing me along, so it is time for legal action. I've been pretty busy with work and should have had it filed by now, but I'll keep yall informed of the proceedings.

[spyder]

Dude, paypal... Why didn't you open a dispute? Unless they can show it delivered, you get your cash back. I've had two deals go shitty using paypal, and unless they can prove delivery, you win... I think you only have a three month gap though... so........ Paypal is anti gun, but a very safe way to pay.

[davsel]

Dude, paypal... Why didn't you open a dispute? Unless they can show it delivered, you get your cash back. I've had two deals go shitty using paypal, and unless they can prove delivery, you win... I think you only have a three month gap though... so........ Paypal is anti gun, but a very safe way to pay.

Tried everything I could with PayPal. Had a lengthy back and forth through email. They had a rep look into the specific transaction, and final word is: I cannot dispute it because it was sent as a "gift."

I am having a heck of a time finding an address for Les Fletcher. His Linked In page has bogus companies listed. His Facebook says he is now in Dallas, but there is no current record of him there. I ran his background and it comes back with several addresses - currently in AZ. All I have for sure is a couple of email addresses and a good phone number - that comes back to NJ. He is quite the scammer judging from his criminal record.

I have a possible address for his partner in crime and Facebook "in a relationship with," Dalia Genena. She's been evicted several times, so I am not too sure I have a good address. Her LinkedIn profile also lists bogus employment (Net Green Medical). Again, I only have email and and a possible phone number for her.

I am considering shotgunning an email to all of their friends, employers, and family, in order to find out a valid address. May have to hire an investigator in the Dallas area, but that would probably just be throwing away more money.

I checked out the small claims filing criteria for Dalia's county in TX and found that I have at least two years to file.

I get spun up and can't sleep when I think about it, but I'll keep after it when I have time here and there.

[davsel]

Just got this email reply from his "current employer" as listed on his LinkedIn profile:

Dear Mr. XXXXXX,

Mr. Leslie Teniilson Fletcher was a mandate for our company but was in no ay employed by the company. We have had no contact from him for over a year now.

Yours Sincerely,


The General Director
XXXXXX Inc.


I figure I'll never get my $500 back, but I will continue to pursue him just the same.

[bigun1962]

Unless you are willing to prove that the aboved named person/s actually ripped you off. I would have you think about your liability in posting that he/she did. I think the only chance you have is PayPal. Good Luck.

[Dingo]

Does this guy have a large online presence in the gun communities? Would it be possible to establish what his interests are in guns, and then set up something he couldn't resist buying?

[SA Friday]

$500 lesson.

Get an actual Attorney involved, or close the lesson. You gifted $500 through paypal for an Armslist purchase with someone three states away with no way of refuting the payment if the stuff didn't show. People lie, thieves steal. They sleep like babies at night.

[spyder]

Tried everything I could with PayPal. Had a lengthy back and forth through email. They had a rep look into the specific transaction, and final word is: I cannot dispute it because it was sent as a "gift."


Ouch, didn't see that coming....

$500 lesson.

Get an actual Attorney involved, or close the lesson. You gifted $500 through paypal for an Armslist purchase with someone three states away with no way of refuting the payment if the stuff didn't show. People lie, thieves steal. They sleep like babies at night. Winner at this point.

[buckshotbarlow]

3 things here...
Paypal + gift purchases do not work, I walk when someone says this. I ask for a transaction of laminated wood or injection molded plastic...
Armslist is a FTF deal only.
Consider it a 500$ stupid tax. You have learned your lesson, now continue flaming the guy on all the forums and armslist...

This really sucks, and I'm sorry to hear about this. Sometimes trying to save a buck costs you more in the long run. I'm going though the same thing with a billet upper, but it's a manufacturer with no paypal and a CC...

[Hound]

I have not read the whole thread but have read enough to know I am also working through a BS transaction off Armslist that sounds very similar. I will go into more detail shortly if this goes the same way. I feel for ya.

good luck

[davsel]

Bet he still has the product and says his girlfriend forgot to mail them. Will say he was out of the country and she was supposed to handle the shipping. Or some other mixup and he will refund the money. Only thing that got his attention was your research and the demand letter. If he had really sent them, I would think he would have been on it right away with tracking numbers.

Ding, Ding, Ding, We have a winner!

After sending an email to another company Les supposedly works for, I received a call from Les. He was ranting on about how he was out of the country, and had to take care of personal stuff, and that, get this, his assistant at the company was supposed to have mailed out the package. He was pissed off that I was threatening legal action and that I started this thread. Not one time did he apologize for the "mix-up." I gave him my address again, and he said they would be mailed out the next day. I also received an email from his employer's "Hunan" Resources Department stating the same thing Les told me on the phone.

Long story short, I FINALLY GOT MY BCGs! Ordered and paid for on 21 Feb - Delivered on 28 May.

I edited the first post and the title of this thread to reflect the fact that Les Fletcher ALMOST ripped me off.

[cofi]

that is awesome! good for you bro

[Inconel710]

Cockroaches hate light, don't they?

[wreave]

Congratulations!!!

That was a long shot to win.

[Rabid]

Congrats! Some people would have just taken the loss and moved on, glad you got it taken care of and held someone accountable.

[mountainjenny]

Congrats! Great ending to a bummer situation!

[mackbamf]

That's great news. Glad it all worked out for you!!

[MrPrena]

That is a great news!

I would go crazy if I did not receive my stuff within 3weeks. You patiently waited +3month. Give you a prop for it.
I had to join MGO (MichiganGu nOwners) once, because a guy at HKpro would not ship the package to me. After joining his local gunforum, it was shipped immediately. haha

[TFOGGER]

Stunned and amazed that you finally got your BCGs. The douchebag still deserves to have his name dragged through the mud for taking 3+ months to make it right, though.

[buckshotbarlow]

how much hair did u lose?

[davsel]

Update

Dalia telephoned me out of the blue tonight. She said that her and Les are getting married (deserve each other) and that when people Google their names to find their wedding registry, this thread pops up. She politely asked that I delete it.

After reading through all 7 pages again, I have mixed feelings about whether or not to delete it. On the one hand, I did finally receive the merchandise. On the other, people should be wary of dealing with either of these two individuals. This thread simply contains the cold hard facts.

I'll leave it up to the Mods.

[anaphylaxis]

I'd leave the thread up as a warning to others. I only went through a couple pages and was shaking my head at what I saw. If they were at all reasonable, that would be different.

[Ridge]

Update

Dalia telephoned me out of the blue tonight. She said that her and Les are getting married (deserve each other) and that when people Google their names to find their wedding registry, this thread pops up. She politely asked that I delete it.

After reading through all 7 pages again, I have mixed feelings about whether or not to delete it. On the one hand, I did finally receive the merchandise. On the other, people should be wary of dealing with either of these two individuals. This thread simply contains the cold hard facts.

I'll leave it up to the Mods.

I don't think that anybody that you invite to a wedding will be googling your name to find out who you are...

[merl]

Update

Dalia telephoned me out of the blue tonight. She said that her and Les are getting married (deserve each other) and that when people Google their names to find their wedding registry, this thread pops up. She politely asked that I delete it.

After reading through all 7 pages again, I have mixed feelings about whether or not to delete it. On the one hand, I did finally receive the merchandise. On the other, people should be wary of dealing with either of these two individuals. This thread simply contains the cold hard facts.

I'll leave it up to the Mods.

Meh, you updated the initial post to say you got the stuff. In red even :)
Your part is done.

[bellavite1]

Update

Dalia telephoned me out of the blue tonight. She said that her and Les are getting married (deserve each other) and that when people Google their names to find their wedding registry, this thread pops up. She politely asked that I delete it.

After reading through all 7 pages again, I have mixed feelings about whether or not to delete it. On the one hand, I did finally receive the merchandise. On the other, people should be wary of dealing with either of these two individuals. This thread simply contains the cold hard facts.

I'll leave it up to the Mods.
If your data is correct you were not the first, nor will likely be the last that has been ripped off by these two.
You were finally able to corner them, but I bet there is plenty of less persistent people that were not.
I was ripped off myself ONCE through Ebay and PayPal did not give me my money back either.
I say screw them, their wedding and their reputation.
Payback is a bitch.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't think that anybody that you invite to a wedding will be googling your name to find out who you are...

^^^ This

[Punkface]

Fuck them. Their shitty business practices have consequences.

[twitchyfinger]

Agreed don't delete anything!

[buffalobo]

Piss on them. Don't like seeing negative shit on the net about your business practices, then practice better business.

Hope the turds regularly check back to this thread.

[spleify]

Sorry we dont delete threads here and individual members dont have the ability to delete threads on there own so I guess you are off the hook davsel

[colorider]

Keep posting on this thread about Les Fletcher of Plano Tx. It makes it pop up higher in the rankings on a google search. DOH!

[killianak9]

Keep posting on this thread about Les Fletcher of Plano Tx. It makes it pop up higher in the rankings on a google search. DOH!

Lol, think its funny his wife called to ask!Screw them, maybe they will rethink the way they treat honest people.
And if the people I invite to my wedding are googling me for a "registry" there's a great chance their no one I'd be friends with. Sounds like a bitch move cause they know their fucked


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[kidicarus13]

Keep posting on this thread about Les Fletcher of Plano Tx. It makes it pop up higher in the rankings on a google search. DOH!

Les Fletcher of Plano Tx did what?!

[colorider]

Wedding registry my ass. Employers are probably searching.

[kwando]

Bwahahaha... Les Fletcher of Plano Tx likes to _________________

[killianak9]

Les Fletcher of Plano Tx did what?!

Les Fletcher of Plano Tx ripped off


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[Colorado_Outback]

Less Fletcher of Plano Tx and his future wife sound like ass clowns.

[hatidua]

Keep posting on this thread about Les Fletcher of Plano Tx. It makes it pop up higher in the rankings on a google search. DOH!

bump

[crays]

Not to rub salt, but he likely never had the BCG's in his possession when he listed them, and probably "sold" them to (scammed) several other people, from the same listing.

On the bright side, you have caused Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena, of Plano, considerable grief, and quite possibly money out of pocket, for their effort to scam you.

Your original monies have long since been spent, and though BCG's are cheaper right now, a douchebag like this likely didn't have the money in his pocket to run out and acquire a couple to make the deal right. As you persisted, he folded under the pressure, and had to act, costing him grief and money.
Good on you. And now he and Degenerate Genena have an ugly Google trail to deal with in their future dealings.

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[Monky]

So Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena of Plano, TX don't want negative items appearing about them in their search.

Well I suppose Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena should have thought about that before trying to scam.

Perhaps this will teach Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena a lesson.

[anaphylaxis]

Hey guys, I'm not sure if I understand. Are you telling me that I should avoid dealing with Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena due to poor business practices?

[StagLefty]

Hey guys, I'm not sure if I understand. Are you telling me that I should avoid dealing with Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena due to poor business practices?

No I think what's being suggested is bringing some lube when dealing with them [ROFL2]

[davsel]

I love you guys (not in a ghey way).
Ruthless!

[Bailey Guns]

I'm getting the feeling there isn't much sympathy to the plight of Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena on this forum.

[buffalobo]

Wait til Friday when hbar is busy pouring concrete and start 3 more threads about them. :eek::D

[Aloha_Shooter]

Okay, I take it back, I guess their wedding IS getting Googled ... [google]

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[Pop]

[Walker2970]

Frag Les Fletcher and his bizness Practice d-bag

[colorider]

Sorry Les, but this topic now shows up in the #1 spot on a google search of your name. Karma is a bitch.

[BREATHER]

"greenmedical" sounds like you gifted a fuckin' pothead

[RblDiver]

So, if I'm reading this thread about Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena of Plano Tx ripping you off correctly, you are saying avoid them as Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena of Plano, Tx ripped you off?

[LOL]Search Engine Optimization is fun!

[newracer]

I will make a note that I should never do business with Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena of Plano Tx.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Note: We should not bear grudges. We should all wish Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena much happiness in their married life together in Plano, TX.

[Inconel710]

I certainly hope this has been a lesson learned for both Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena, of Plano, Tx and Dave. Best of luck moving forward.

[hatidua]

NOTE: Please don't take this the wrong way.

I just wanted to quote one part of your post so as to keep this thread where it needs to be.

-no, I'm not taking sides, or taking this the wrong way...

[Post Toastie]

So where are Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena of Plano Tx registered? Good thing they aren't ripping you off...

[james_bond_007]

PM sent to 007

Complied with your request.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Bwahahaha... Les Fletcher of Plano Tx likes to _________________

I have nothing to say about Les Fletcher of Plano Texas... So I wont say anything bad about him. But, I would like to share a piece of news out of Plano Texas that HAS NOTHING to do with Mr. Fletcher.


Major prostitution ring in Dallas, Plano and Hurst dismantled in what’s dubbed Operation Flaming Dragon

http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c11544cff777b36195f139d759105ce2?s=52&d=http%3A%2F%2Fres.dallasnews.com%2Fresources%2Fim ages%2Fdmn.jpg%3Fs%3D52&r=G
By Valerie Wigglesworth (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/author/vwigglesworth/)
vwigglesworth@dallasnews.com
4:42 pm on June 19, 2013 (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/major-prostitution-ring-in-dallas-plano-and-hurst-dismantled-in-whats-dubbed-operation-flaming-dragon.html/)| Permalink (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/major-prostitution-ring-in-dallas-plano-and-hurst-dismantled-in-whats-dubbed-operation-flaming-dragon.html/)


Local, state and federal authorities have busted up a major prostitution ring operating in Plano, Dallas and Hurst that has national and international ties as part of a two-year investigation dubbed Operation Flaming Dragon.
On Monday, 240 law enforcement agents executed 14 state and federal warrants in North Texas that resulted in 20 arrests. In addition, they shut down nine store fronts posing as massage parlors that were actually being run as brothels. One residence in Dallas County was also raided.
U.S. Attorney Malcolm Bales said at a news conference Wednesday that a federal grand jury has returned a seven-count indictment against 11 people, eight of whom are in custody. Twelve others taken into custody face state charges in Plano and Dallas.
“We dealt a crippling blow to this organization,” Bales said, adding that the investigation continues and more charges are possible.
The indictment alleges that in addition to the store fronts, the ring used apartments and homes rented in Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas. The brothel locations, some promising an “Asian Fantasy,” were advertised on the internet and in a newspaper. And prostitutes were transported among the North Texas locations as well as from California, Nevada and Georgia.
Most of the women involved in the prostitution ring came from the Republic of China or other Asian countries, according to authorities. Bales said investigators have found no evidence to believe human trafficking is involved. Nor have they found any evidence of children being involved, he said.
The indictment alleges that Quyen thuc Ha, also known as Tony Ha, paid $305,000 in multiple bribery payments to a detective in Dallas and another in Plano since March 2011, believing they were protecting his brothels from police enforcement. Instead, the officers were working undercover, recording the transactions and turning the payments over to federal authorities.
The warrants executed on Monday have been sealed, and details about evidence seized is being kept under wraps. But Bales said computer records, phone records and business records have been confiscated and will be examined for further illegal activity. It will be up to local and state authorities to determine whether any of the clientele who frequented these brothels will be prosecuted.
Dallas Morning News reporters Scott Goldstein and Monique O. Madan had some of the details about the Dallas cases in today’s Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20130618-authorities-shut-down-suspected-brothels-in-far-north-dallas.ece).
Agencies involved in the investigation include the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Eastern District of Texas, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigation and Enforcement and Removal Operations, the Department of State-Diplomatic Security Service, the Plano and Dallas police departments, the Collin County District Attorney’s Office and the Texas Attorney General’s Office.
<strong>Updated at 5:25 p.m.: </strong>Listed in the federal indictment were Quyen Thuc Ha, also known as Tony Ha, 53, of Richardson; Yu Lin Chang, also known as Rica and Jennifer, 37, of Plano; Kim Sey Lau, also known as John Wang and Tony, 56, of Dallas; Lai Iong Chiu, also known as Mindy, Winnie, Wendy and Li Yan Zhou, 46, of Plano; Xia Xu, also known as Coco, 46, of Dallas; Yu Qian, also known as Maggie, 45, of Flower Mound; Li Meng Shank, 42, of Plano; Prapatson Verhotz, 46, of Garland; Tin Min Lo, also known as Gordon, 51, of Coppell, Michael Gene Jones, 64, of Georgetown; and Jia-Her Hwang, also known as Jack, 65, of Richardson. They face charges of conspiracy, the use of interstate facility for unlawful activity and bribery. Officials say Chiu, Xu and Prapatson are not in custody.
Arrested by Plano Police were Yubing Li, 50, Hui Li, 44, Jing Liu, 53, and Jihong Liu, 41 on suspicion of conducting massage therapy without a license. Plano Police also arrested Yafen Wang, 47, and LeQin Huang, 40, on suspicion of prostitution.
Storefronts associated with the prostitution ring were the Hurst Asian Spa in Tarrant County; the Rosemeade Spa in the 3900 block of Rosemeade Parkway near the Bush Turnpike in Dallas; the JJ Asian Health Center in the 5500 block of Alpha Road near Montfort Drive in Dallas; and Spring Creek Village and D-Spa in Dallas. In Collin County were the Asian Therapy Center, the Wellness Therapy, Aljunni Massage (Ni-Ni-Ha Foot Massage) and the Golden Spring Asian Spa.

Dallas Police arrested Pang Hsiang Lin, 51, and Yu Tao Chen, 52, at the Alpha Road spa in Dallas. Yuanli Zhang, 45, was arrested at the Rosemeade Parkway spa in Dallas, and Chinli Yeh, 57, was arrested at a home in the 13300 block of Kit Lane in Dallas, according to documents. The four face charges of engaging in the organized criminal activity of prostitution.

That is all... And again, this has nothing to do with Mr. Fletcher. SEO is a bitch eh.

[Bailey Guns]

So, let me see if I have this straight... There is a major prostitution ring in Plano, TX. Plano, TX is also where Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena live. However, as far we know Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena are not involved with the major prostitution ring? Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena are allegedly involved, however, in ripping people off on Armslist.

[us1911]

I'm so glad to hear that you finally got you AR15 gun parts from Les Fletcher after so much effort.

[anaphylaxis]

This thread is a classic example of the Streisand Effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

lol

[davsel]

This thread is a classic example of the Streisand Effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

lol

Never knew it had a name.

Right about now, I bet Les Fletcher of Plano, TX is giving a rash of shite to Dalia Genena of Plano, TX for calling me. At first I thought that Les Fletcher of Plano, TX was just too big a pussy to call me himself, and had Dalia Genena of Plano, TX, whom Les Fletcher is due to marry soon, call me requesting that I delete my "Les Fletcher of Plano, TX ripped me off" thread. However, after the rally behind keeping Les Fletcher's thread at the top of Google, makes me wonder if Les Fletcher of Plano, TX may have anticipated this result, and possibly could have attempted to keep Dalia Genena from contacting me after so much time has passed.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

So, let me see if I have this straight... There is a major prostitution ring in Plano, TX. Plano, TX is also where Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena live. However, as far we know Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena are not involved with the major prostitution ring? Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena are allegedly involved, however, in ripping people off on Armslist.

This. +1 and bump...

[Holger Danske]

Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena of Plano, TX are registered at Macy's and Target according to theknot.com. They use Armslist. Facebook and Linkin have links for Les Fletcher. They have nothing to do with the foregoing article from dallasnews.com

[spyder]

It is sad that you had to get ahold of Les Fletcher's work and show the people in his life that he was a scum bag before he would give you the stuff you bought from him months earlier. Imagine, if you never went through so much work to get ahold of Les, he would have taken your money and walked away without giving you what you bought from him.......

[ben4372]

Funny this goggle this thread 4 or 5 down earlier today. Now its only beat by the white pages. Poor Les Fletcher of Plano TX. I learned a lesson, don't mess with guys that lose stuff in boating accidents.

[osok-308]

Good to know you finally got the BCG

[spyder]

Funny this goggle this thread 4 or 5 down earlier today. Now its only beat by the white pages. Poor Les Fletcher of Plano TX. I learned a lesson, don't mess with guys that lose stuff in boating accidents.

You know, in all honesty, we should probably just start buying better boats.....

[NFATrustGuy]

Could someone please explain the fascination with Les Fletcher of Plano, TX? You know, if we keep mentioning that he scammed someone on a simple Internet sale transaction, he could have a hard time shaking his reputation. I'm sure he has nothing to do with any Craigslist scam or the above-referenced prostitution ring. I'm sure he's never considered having sex with farm animals, either.

So exactly how does this search engine optimization thing work, anyway?

[Aloha_Shooter]

So exactly how does this search engine optimization thing work, anyway?

Well Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena should both be happy that none of us are linking from other webpages to this thread or it would REALLY shoot up in the search engines. It'd move up so fast they'd see it all the way down in Plano, TX. The search engines give points for relevance like how often a search subject is mentioned but they give bonus points for links back to the page. So if there were pages on Armslist, LinkedIn, CraigsList, denverpost.com, etc. that mentioned Les Fletcher or Dalia Genena or even Plano, TX and linked back to this discussion it would boost the relevance.

[Irving]

Sorry we dont delete threads here and individual members dont have the ability to delete threads on there own so I guess you are off the hook davsel

Sir, I was wondering about something. Since the practice of this website is to not delete threads, is it possible to edit the names of threads? A random example, used purely for demonstrative purposes might be changing the name of a thread title reading" Les Fletcher of Plano, TX ripped me off on Armslist - need ideas" to "Les Fletcher and Dahlia Does Dallas Wedding Registry."

I checked the FAQ page and could not find an answer to this question.

[buffalobo]

Sir, I was wondering about something. Since the practice of this website is to not delete threads, is it possible to edit the names of threads? A random example, used purely for demonstrative purposes might be changing the name of a thread title reading" Les Fletcher of Plano, TX ripped me off on Armslist - need ideas" to "Les Fletcher and Dahlia Does Dallas Wedding Registry."

I checked the FAQ page and could not find an answer to this question.

All kinds of win. [Beer][LOL][mlp][Beer][google][rockon][Beer][Awesom]

[NFATrustGuy]

Well Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena should both be happy that none of us are linking from other webpages to this thread or it would REALLY shoot up in the search engines. It'd move up so fast they'd see it all the way down in Plano, TX. The search engines give points for relevance like how often a search subject is mentioned but they give bonus points for links back to the page. So if there were pages on Armslist, LinkedIn, CraigsList, denverpost.com, etc. that mentioned Les Fletcher or Dalia Genena or even Plano, TX and linked back to this discussion it would boost the relevance.

Guess what? Since you mentioned Craigslist, I did a search and discovered that some wiseacre actually created a post seeking additional information on Les Fletcher of Plano, Texas. I wonder how long the posting will be allowed to remain on Craigslist, but I guess once something's posted on the Internet, the SEO crawlers probably find it pretty quickly.

In any case, here's the CL posting:

http://denver.craigslist.org/com/4150185763.html

[Monky]

You sir are one classy lady!


Guess what? Since you mentioned Craigslist, I did a search and discovered that some wiseacre actually created a post seeking additional information on Les Fletcher of Plano, Texas. I wonder how long the posting will be allowed to remain on Craigslist, but I guess once something's posted on the Internet, the SEO crawlers probably find it pretty quickly.

In any case, here's the CL posting:

http://denver.craigslist.org/com/4150185763.html




Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[OtterbatHellcat]

So, let me see if I have this straight... There is a major prostitution ring in Plano, TX. Plano, TX is also where Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena live. However, as far we know Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena are not involved with the major prostitution ring? Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena are allegedly involved, however, in ripping people off on Armslist.

Hmmmm... Les Fletcher, and Dalia Genena . Never heard of 'em before.

I have heard of prostitution though, but they're not involved in that, right? And they're getting married, I understand.

Les Fletcher Genena, or would it be Les Genena Fletcher. conversely... Dalia Genena Fletcher is kinda catchy...but she might want Dalia Fletcher Genena instead.

Either way, I don't think you can flat out trust either Les Fletcher Or Dalia Genena for any type of transaction, really.

[Irving]

Well I'll be a son of a.... This here thread doesn't have a single tag listed at the bottom.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Well I'll be a son of a.... This here thread doesn't have a single tag listed at the bottom.


You need to pay a closer attention to those tags.. one of them is out of place. Ok not really.

[00tec]

Isn't the person that called you soon to be named Dalia Fletcher? Since Dalia Genena is marrying Les Fletcher, who rips people off on the internet. Seems that Dalia Fletcher should be included.

Glad the factor that generated the call to you was that they looked bad in front of friends they wanted free shit from.

[Great-Kazoo]

Sorry Les, but this topic now shows up in the #1 spot on a google search of your name. Karma is a bitch.



KARMA'S not a dog Randy, You don't call it. It calls you.

[Great-Kazoo]

I just found a good deal on bolt carriers from a soon to be wed couple in texas? Anyone want in

[ChunkyMonkey]

I just found a good deal on bolt carriers from a soon to be wed couple in texas? Anyone want in

I hope its cash only business. I dont trust bank or escrow account!

[Great-Kazoo]

I hope its cash only business. I dont trust bank or escrow account!

You're in luck

SE' HABLO' DINERO

[ChunkyMonkey]

You're in luck

SE' HABLO' DINERO

Great.. let's get everyone sources together and together we can wholesale! Wait, is that term owned by the General?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eyXdca-K7U

[rondog]

Well, guess it's a good thing Les Fletcher and Dalia Ganena aren't involved with gay sex, gay porn, or kiddie porn!

[MrPrena]

AFTER READING THIS POST, I WILL NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM

Les Fletcher and
Dalia Genena (Fletcher) of Plano, TX

buyer beware!!!!!!!

[brutal]

CL ad quoted for posterity.


I'm trying to help a friend recover money lost in an Internet sales transaction with Les Fletcher of Plano, Texas. Apparently, Mr. Fletcher took my friend's money, but never delivered the goods. My friend would like to hear from others who've been scammed by Les Fletcher in hopes that they can combine their efforts in recovery.

There's a detailed and long thread describing the situation that can be found at

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/96645-Les-Fletcher-of-Plano-TX-ripped-me-off-on-Armslist-need-ideas

The posters tell a story of how Mr. Fletcher blatantly ripped somebody off. Some of the people imply that Les Fletcher is involved with everything from prostitution to sex with animals (beastiality, right?) and even child pornography, but I haven't seen any real proof of that. Apparently Les Fletcher is a nice enough guy that a wonderful young lady named Dalia Genena has agreed to marry him. They're even registered at Macy's and Target and have apparently posted at theknot.com.

Thanks for any help you can provide. Feel free to respond via the Craigslist email system.
.
.

It would be a shame if someone made a Wiki update to the Streisand effect regarding Les Fletcher of Plano, TX and his armslist ripoff tactics, or even regarding the request of Dalia Genena to delete the offending posts.

[Holger Danske]

Is this Les Fletcher?

http://www.meetup.com/dfwbizlink/members/11354315/

[<MADDOG>]

I really do appreciate this thread about Les Fletcher and Dalia Ganena; as I really did not understand this SEO bullshit that my fiancee was talking about until now!

Thanks Les Fletcher and Dalia Ganena!

[10mm-man]

Okay, I take it back, I guess their wedding IS getting Googled ... [google]

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[Pop]


OUCH! So this is the Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena that ripped you off!!??

[anaphylaxis]

Rough crowd. Note to self: never piss off COAR-15. lol

[blacklabel]

Les Fletcher has a wide and varied group of interests:

Member of 11 other Meetups

*THE NIGHTLIFE & ADVENTURE GROUP!*
member

Dallas Christian Singles
member

Dallas Target & Action Shooters Group
member

DFW Business Network
member

DFW Friends & Fun
member

Glamour Photography Club of Texas - DFW Chapter
member

Mastermind Students of Napoleon Hill's "Think and Grow Rich"
member

Park Cities Netweavers
member

Roddy Round Up of DFW Real Estate Investment Experts
member

Texas Real Estate Investors Circle
member

Uptown Netweavers AM Express

[PSS]

Les Fletcher. What a douche bag!


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[02ducky]

So does anybody know about a Les Fletcher ripping people off??

Oh wait, why yes we do!!

[Walker2970]

lets see here, Sell something to someone on arms list, receive money, refuse to send product till.... he needs his name cleared due to a wedding . yep D-BAG[dig][sheepshagger]

[rondog]

Les Fletcher has a wide and varied group of interests:

Member of 11 other Meetups

*THE NIGHTLIFE & ADVENTURE GROUP!*
member

Dallas Christian Singles
member

Dallas Target & Action Shooters Group
member

DFW Business Network
member

DFW Friends & Fun
member

Glamour Photography Club of Texas - DFW Chapter
member

Mastermind Students of Napoleon Hill's "Think and Grow Rich"
member

Park Cities Netweavers
member

Roddy Round Up of DFW Real Estate Investment Experts
member

Texas Real Estate Investors Circle
member

Uptown Netweavers AM Express

What, no NAMBLA membership?

[TFOGGER]

What, no NAMBLA membership?

Les Fletcher, of Plano Texas, is rumored to be a charter member of NAMBLA? Whodathunkit?

[DSB OUTDOORS]

Les Fletcher and Dalia Ganena of Plano Texas??? What can I say Hummm??? Well 1st off. Bad, bad idea to float funds and product!! That's a No! No! And I think that to mislead buyers like that is just F-D Up!! So I hope you get what ever Carma you deserve for Misleading, Lying, Cheating, Stealing, Scam your running. You have a fun and interesting life. Les Fletcher and Dalia Ganena of Plano Texas.

[blacklabel]

What, no NAMBLA membership?

Maybe he wouldn't pay the dues?

[OtterbatHellcat]

Is there some current speculation that ...Les Fletcher, of Plano Texas... is a charter member of NAMBLA?

[DSB OUTDOORS]

P.S. Think about the people your trying to F-Over!!!! Gun owners ,Hunters, Shooting clubs, Military, Law Enforcement!! WTF OVER????? Are you that STUPID???

And most important!! DO NOT MESS WITH COLORADO AR-15 SHOOTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Coffee]

[OtterbatHellcat]

Preach that Love, Brother.

[ZERO THEORY]

Do you guys know Les Fletcher and his wife-to-be Dalia Genena? I heard something about them scamming somebody on Colorado AR15. Apparently they live in Plano, Texas.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Oh yeah....if you mean Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena of Plano, Texas ...that really is where they live. Plano, Texas.

Les and Dalia, that is.

[02ducky]

Do you guys know Les Fletcher and his wife-to-be Dalia Genena? I heard something about them scamming somebody on Colorado AR15. Apparently they live in Plano, Texas.

[Walker2970]

P.S. Think about the people your trying to F-Over!!!! Gun owners ,Hunters, Shooting clubs, Military, Law Enforcement!! WTF OVER????? Are you that STUPID???

And most important!! DO NOT MESS WITH COLORADO AR-15 SHOOTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Coffee]

[02ducky]

Anybody hear that Les Fletcher of Plano Texas likes to rip people off??

[wyome]

In now way should Les Fletcher and Dalia Genena of Plano, Tx be considered representative of the Great State of Texas. Nor are they representative of what Armslist, Craigslist, and NAMBLA stand for. Well mebee Les Fletcher is representative of what NAMBLA stands for.

[sniper7]

Anybody hear that Les Fletcher of Plano Texas likes to rip people off??

I've heard this through the interwebs

[hatidua]

Les Fletcher is representative of what NAMBLA stands for.

Who is Les Fletcher and what is this 'NAMBLA' you speak of?

[OtterbatHellcat]

I wasn't sure myself, Hatidua...so I googled it.

Turns out that Les Fletcher of Plano, Texas, has been implicated to possibly be a member of the North American Man Boy Love Association. Apparently also has some doings with Armslist fraud, and evidently some Craigs List activity as well.

[buffalobo]

From the way back machine.

[brutal]

LOL, here it is!

[ray1970]

From the way back machine.

Ha. Thanks. This might be the most bump-worthy thread on this site. A classic for sure.

[ray1970]

Maybe if we keep posting about Les Fletcher he will rise to the top of the search engines again.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I had lost track of Les Fletcher of Plano, TX. It’s good to remind people.

[ray1970]

I hope old Les is alive and well and hasn?t succumbed to some sort of illness.

[brutal]

What did he do again?

Oh I remember. Les Fletcher of Plano TX ripped someone off on armslist.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Yeah, Les Fletcher of Plano Texas ripped off one of our members.

[theGinsue]

I often wonder if, after ripping someone off on Armslist, Les Fletcher of Plano, TX learned his lesson?

[UncleDave]

I was wondering this morning how long it would take for the Les Fletcher, from Plano, TX necro-thread to rise from the dustbin of forum history. You guys never disappoint!

[OtterbatHellcat]

We should stick up for members.

It's the right thing to do.

[Jamnanc]

Les Fletcher, from Plano, TX
Appears to be a douchebag.

[brutal]

We should stick up for members.

It's the right thing to do.

Or at least give them a flipper rub for borrowing a chainsaw.

[Mtneer]

Is it okay to loan a chainsaw to Les Fletcher, from Plano, TX?

[Bailey Guns]

Ya know? There was always something about Les Fletcher from Plano, TX that I didn't like. Now I remember what it its.

[Irving]

I told this story to someone about three weeks ago. Remembered the name and city just fine. I'll never forget that guy.

[BREATHER]

Same scam was being done on the Muzzleloader forum

[rondog]

Ooo, this is about the thieving asshole Les Fletcher from Plano, TX? I remember him.....

[BladesNBarrels]

Is Les Fletcher still alive and living in Plano, TX?
Does he still advertise on Armslist and rip people off?

[blaster]

[arbol]

With all this negative feedback I doubt I will ever buy from Les Fletcher in Plano Texas.

[leightoncash]

I just read the whole thread through- it plays out like a great short story, and ends up hilarious. This was the best laugh I've had in a while.

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

[Eric P]

Why was an 8 year old thread resurrected?

[00tec]

Why was an 8 year old thread resurrected?

Because RACECAR

[Bailey Guns]

Why was an 8 year old thread resurrected?

Because 8 years later, Les Fletcher of Plano, TX is still a turd according to local legend.

And because it's better than more COVID stuff. It's better than talking about what a dumbass Biden is. It's better than talking about how our once mighty military is lead by a king-sized asshole.

[brutal]

A this point, what difference does it make?

[OtterbatHellcat]

Not much...but it was fun to read through it again.

I wanted us to do the same thing for Southpaw fwiw.

[Irving]

Why was an 8 year old thread resurrected?

Because an old member is posting under a new screen name and pretending to be new and not know anything.

[buffalobo]

Why was an 8 year old thread resurrected?
Because an old member is posting under a new screen name and pretending to be new and not know anything.Because I felt like it.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Sounds good to me.


harrumph, harrumph.

[UncleDave]

I didn’t get a harurruph from that guy!!

[brutal]

Because an old member is posting under a new screen name and pretending to be new and not know anything.

You think MBwhatshisname? Doesn't seem the same to me.

[SideShow Bob]

You think MBwhatshisname? Doesn't seem the same to me.

But will he post a Happy Birthday video for Les Fletcher of Plano Texas ?