So which is it? (straw purchase penalties)

[wreave]

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22894595/englewood-gun-shop-owners-speak-about-ebel-gun?source=pkg


"There's little-to-no punishment for being a straw purchaser," said Brad Beyersdorf, spokesman for the ATF Denver division. "Gang members know it, drug trafficking organizations know it."Under current law, a straw purchaser is only legally accountable for false statements made to a licensed dealer — not for any of the crimes committed with the gun once it has been transferred.
Vigil has been charged with unlawful purchase of a firearm, a Class 4 felony that carries a sentence of up to 16 years in prison.

If there's no teeth in the gun trafficking laws, I support fixing that - though the apparent suggestion that a straw purchaser should be liable for crimes committed with the weapon seems harsh. However, a class 4 felony with up to 16 years in prison already seems like a pretty stiff penalty.

So which is it?

[vossman]

Hmmmm. Makes no sense the way it's written.

[DeusExMachina]

There's little to no punishment because I assume they offer deals to most straw purchasers. Thus Chicago, with the lowest firearm law enforcement rate and highest firearm murder rate.

[brokenscout]

THey need someone to blame, the guy is dead. So next is her? How many of us in a FTF could be considered a "straw purchaser" if the gun was used in a high profile crime. I'm glad I don't own any guns.

[Cthulhu]

Edit for me actually reading the article...Yeah, she's going to be made an example of.

[cstone]

If I burglarize a home and steal all of the legally owned and secured firearms from the residence, do I need to sell them through a FFL? If I sell them to one criminal who is purchasing them for another criminal, would that be considered a straw purchase?

If a wild bear commits a crime but mauls the prosecutor to death, what sort of plea bargain can a good defense attorney get the bear?

Try not to think these things to hard. Reality is hard enough.

Be safe.

[DeusExMachina]

I understand how difficult it is to prove someone is/was a straw purchaser, unless the accused is an idiot and admitted to it, but I'd be surprised if this girl saw any jail time.

The girl that bought the guns for the ex-con who shot the first responders wasn't even charged with unlawful purchase of a firearm. She was indicted for knowingly making a false statement in connection with a firearm purchase; providing guns to Spengler, a felon; and possessing guns while illegally using marijuana.

[OneGuy67]

I'm going to bet this girl gets hammered.

[buffalobo]

I'm going to bet this girl gets hammered.

^This, murderer is dead, prosecutor, govt. And media need a show. Bread and circuses.


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[wreave]

What she gets depends on how smart she was when the cops showed up. It's going to be very hard to convict her without her own testimony. If she shut up and let the lawyers do the talking, there's going to be no one to say she knew Ebel was a felon. Despite her mug shot, she's a clean kid. No prior record, nursing student. Seems odd.

I'm still baffled by the Post and the ATF. How can a class 4 felony with up to 16 years be "little to no punishment"?

[Byte Stryke]

It all depends on your caste in the new democratic society...

Some get to lie on 4473s intent to transfer over state lines and get invited to tell their sob story on piers morgan instead of pulling time in a prison

[Gman]

The threat of punishment may not be light, but the fact is that very few that falsify their information are ever prosecuted.

[Great-Kazoo]

There's little to no punishment because I assume they offer deals to most straw purchasers. Thus Chicago, with the lowest firearm law enforcement rate and highest firearm murder rate.

Columbine.
Girlfriend buys guns at GS. Knowingly for K&H to use. She gets to tell her sob story ALONG WITH THE CAVEAT HOW easy it was to buy a gun with out a back ground check at a GS. Hence the BGC now in effect for the last 10 or so years. YEP PLEA BARGAIN TO SHOW HOW BAD GUNS ARE. So what 2 people and 1 skel are dead, IF she had been forced to wait 3-10 days, and under gone the bullshit mental test the VPC amd Smokin Joe Biden would like. There would have been no dead folks.
NEVER MIND ANOTHER FELON WAS PUT ON THE STREET,[ EARLY MIND YOU] INSTEAD OF ROTTING IN PRISON FOR HIS REMAINING TIME ON EARTH AWAY.

[spqrzilla]

The US Attorney's office does not make prosecution of these violations a priority. Isn't that clear? Can't figure out why people don't get that.

[XJ]

Arbitrary and capricious