Marine loses his s*%& in road rage incident...

[Ronin13]

Okay, this is just scary- according to the passenger of the vehicle (the one who filmed the incident) this marine cut them off and continued to slam on his brakes until they finally hit him. At which point the video begins...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kc-2N2NX5A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kc-2N2NX5A)
Man he is PISSED! The Marine, reportedly a SGT from Camp Pendleton, absolutely loses his shit and even went as far as striking the vehicle and window, making threats. I'm sorry, I have love for my "other brothers in green" (Marines), but regardless of service or not, you do this to me I'm calling 911, and if I feel you may make a successful attempt at getting into my vehicle to cause me harm, I'm plugging you! I hope this d-bag faces charges, this is behavior not becoming of a United States Marine. [Bang]
More to the story: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/03/marine-absolutely-loses-it-during-road-rage-incident-caught-on-tape-get-the-fk-out-of-your-truck/

[mrghost]

Ok, Marine's bad behavior is obvious, but there is also this:

"“He cut them off and apparently he kept brake-checking them,” said Lisa. “He would slam on his brakes abruptly. They hit into the back of him on the third time.”

The people following him had at least 2 instances to understand this was a driver with a PROBLEM and yet they continued to follow close enough to eventually rear-end this guy on the 3rd time. They need to take some responsibility for that IMO, but no one is going to focus on that much thanks to the Marine totally losing his shit.

[JMBD2112]

Ok, Marine's bad behavior is obvious, but there is also this:

"“He cut them off and apparently he kept brake-checking them,” said Lisa. “He would slam on his brakes abruptly. They hit into the back of him on the third time.”

The people following him had at least 2 instances to understand this was a driver with a PROBLEM and yet they continued to follow close enough to eventually rear-end this guy on the 3rd time. They need to take some responsibility for that IMO, but no one is going to focus on that much thanks to the Marine totally losing his shit.

^^^Agreed, they are both at fault here, defuse the situation by removing yourself from it

[BushMasterBoy]

If the guy had shot him in the chest, good chance the jury would let him walk...happened here in Colorado before. Feel free to argue!

[Trigger]

poor excuse of a supposed marine.

[wreave]

Man. The people in the car handled it well. Shoot video, stay calm. I would probably have wanted to also be on the phone with 911 - so that I could tell them that if he gets into my car before the police arrive, he's getting shot.

Not sure I would have wanted to pull a gun and tell the guy to back off. Maybe he goes back to his truck and gets his own.

Also not sure I'd sit there. After shooting a little video, if the guy doesn't calm down, I'm on the phone with 911, and I tell them I'm afraid for my safety, and I'm leaving, and I drive to the police station or some other appropriate public place - not sit there and wait for him to bash my window in. Because if he bashes my window in, he's getting shot, and I'd rather avoid that if possible.

[losttrail]

Need some UCMJ action and maybe even a "Less Than Honorable" discharge.

[wreave]

Ok, Marine's bad behavior is obvious, but there is also this:

"“He cut them off and apparently he kept brake-checking them,” said Lisa. “He would slam on his brakes abruptly. They hit into the back of him on the third time.”

The people following him had at least 2 instances to understand this was a driver with a PROBLEM and yet they continued to follow close enough to eventually rear-end this guy on the 3rd time. They need to take some responsibility for that IMO, but no one is going to focus on that much thanks to the Marine totally losing his shit.

That's bullshit. You're driving down the street, some guy keeps cutting you off and brake-checking you. You get into a different lane, he does it again. What are you supposed to do?

[Ronin13]

Ok, Marine's bad behavior is obvious, but there is also this:

"“He cut them off and apparently he kept brake-checking them,” said Lisa. “He would slam on his brakes abruptly. They hit into the back of him on the third time.”

The people following him had at least 2 instances to understand this was a driver with a PROBLEM and yet they continued to follow close enough to eventually rear-end this guy on the 3rd time. They need to take some responsibility for that IMO, but no one is going to focus on that much thanks to the Marine totally losing his shit.
I like to believe that there are two sides to every story, and regardless of who actually caused the accident (who knows, what if it went down to a single lane in that direction? What if the angry marine passed in a passing zone?), the marine's behavior is inexcusable and he's lucky he wasn't shot.

[mrghost]

That's bullshit. You're driving down the street, some guy keeps cutting you off and brake-checking you. You get into a different lane, he does it again. What are you supposed to do?

Taking chain of events reported at face value, and it sounds like they could have done more to avoid the situation. Don't take it to mean I'm trying to excuse the Marine's behavior. But generally, there's plenty to do -- change lane, slow down enough to achieve a safe distance in between, or pull over if necessary.

[davsel]

I especially liked the part where he started flipping out and hitting the window - just as people started showing up to "hold him back." What a badass!

[mrghost]

I like to believe that there are two sides to every story, and regardless of who actually caused the accident (who knows, what if it went down to a single lane in that direction? What if the angry marine passed in a passing zone?), the marine's behavior is inexcusable and he's lucky he wasn't shot.

No disagreement there.

[SNAFU]

USMC cover on dash of car doing video too.
Fuked up Jughead,,know a few bad jarheads.
ALWAYS leave yourself enough following room for manuvering/stopping.

[lead_magnet]

OC would have come in handy there

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't think the people inside the cab handled it well either if they continued to follow him closely enough to rear-end him on his third brake-check. The street they were stopped at certainly seemed wide enough to maneuver around him or slow down enough that he had no choice but to go on and away.

The story said the passenger was a wounded Marine paralyzed from the waist down. That explains the cap on the dash; I kept getting distracted by the little scarf thing around the driver's neck thinking there's no way a guy wearing that metrosexual crap is also sporting a Marine camo cap.

[Dingo]

I think I've become a better driver by LIGHTYEARS since I started carrying a gun full time. I used to be pretty aggressive, and pulled a lot of stupid shit like following people home, slamming on my brakes. Dumb kid stuff. When I started carrying, I immediately started assessing situations differently, realizing that any path I chose to go down in anger could potentially alter my entire life (and someone else's) for the worse. I'm the Gandhi of driving now.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Back in black bitches.

[NightCat]

Ok, Marine's bad behavior is obvious, but there is also this:

"“He cut them off and apparently he kept brake-checking them,” said Lisa. “He would slam on his brakes abruptly. They hit into the back of him on the third time.”

The people following him had at least 2 instances to understand this was a driver with a PROBLEM and yet they continued to follow close enough to eventually rear-end this guy on the 3rd time. They need to take some responsibility for that IMO, but no one is going to focus on that much thanks to the Marine totally losing his shit.


Agree'd

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

man the driver is a total pussy he just lets another man talk to his women like that, But the marine is a total dickhead and should be charged with road rage. why cant we all just get along while we drive 5,000 pound missiles

[Irving]

That's bullshit. You're driving down the street, some guy keeps cutting you off and brake-checking you. You get into a different lane, he does it again. What are you supposed to do?

Can't rear-end someone if you aren't moving.

[wreave]

Can't rear-end someone if you aren't moving.

So... stop in the middle of the road? Pull over?

If you slide back and change lanes, and the guy cuts in front of you, and keeps cutting in front of you, you won't exercise your legal right to drive down the road in peace?

[Inconel710]

I smell "conduct unbecoming" and a Big Chicken Dinner in that Marine's future.

[airborneranger]

If that Marine is a SGT, I expect him to lose some stripes. Freaking idiot.

[Clint45]

That's bullshit. You're driving down the street, some guy keeps cutting you off and brake-checking you. You get into a different lane, he does it again. What are you supposed to do?

Take the next turn without signalling and circle the block once. Problem solved.

Road rage is typically random violence perpetrated by unstable individuals about to go off at any moment and just need an "excuse" to focus on one specific target. Remove yourself from the equation and you will be quickly disregarded as he seeks out his next target . . . unless he's already on YOUR rear bumper and tailing you, then you call 911 on your cellphone and slowly drive to a police station, circle a busy parking lot, or keep driving until police respond to your call. Worst thing to do is pull over and talk to the guy as if he's a rational human being, or ignore him and lead him to your home.

[Ah Pook]

Roid rage much?

[dwalker460]

These two guys are too traumatized by the incident to talk about it? Seriously? I smell a lot more to the story.

[Irving]

So... stop in the middle of the road? Pull over?

If you slide back and change lanes, and the guy cuts in front of you, and keeps cutting in front of you, you won't exercise your legal right to drive down the road in peace?


Yes to the first part of your question. There is no legal right to drive down the road in peace.

[alxone]

what ever that guy thought he was gonna get from being rear ended is thrown out the window now

[davsel]

I think I've become a better driver by LIGHTYEARS since I started carrying a gun full time. I used to be pretty aggressive, and pulled a lot of stupid shit like following people home, slamming on my brakes. Dumb kid stuff. When I started carrying, I immediately started assessing situations differently, realizing that any path I chose to go down in anger could potentially alter my entire life (and someone else's) for the worse. I'm the Gandhi of driving now.
^^^THIS

My wife, on the other hand, has quite the pent-up road rage - in her POV anyway.

[Eggysrun]

I feel bad for the marines who look up to guys like this for leadership cause you sure as hell know he isn't going to be a professional with his marines if he's acting like a tard in public.

[dwalker460]

By the way, for all we know these two asshats in the truck were tailgating or attempting to pass illegally. The video doesnt show anything they might have done. Poke a dog, even a nice peaceful dog, with a stick long enough, and your likely to get bitten.
In our "modern civilized society" we have this notion that no matter what the provokation, reacting is bad. Getting angry is bad. Well yanno, if I was being tailgating and having a bad day I might just brake check someone too, especially if they had done something stupid causing me to cut them off. And if they actually hit me from behind- especially with my wife in the car, well that might put me over the edge. Although I would likely have called the cops, blocked the road, and sat there with myfirearms pointed in a non-threatening direction until the police arrived. Other folks are not as calm or rational as I am.
Yes folks, having a temper is bad. Enhance your calm citizen...

[Byte Stryke]

Long and Short
Driver losing his mind is some decorated PTSD Marine Sgt
Passenger in the Vehicle and Videographer is a Female... Paraplegic Marine also returned from Combat and recovering
Zen-calm Driver is the Female Marines little Brother

The woman filming the video is a wounded Marine. 10News was told she is paralyzed from the waist down. The driver in the video is the wounded Marine's brother, who is also her caregiver. (http://www.10news.com/news/violent-outburst-by-camp-pendleton-marine-caught-on-camera-04022013?hpt=ju_bn6)

according to sources at JAG, Roid rage Marine is well on his way to Fort Leavenworth with multiple counts of communicating a threat, attempted unlawful entry, Felony Menacing and Felony destruction of private property.
Under Articles of the UCMJ and federal firearms laws, he WILL receive a Prohibited persons place in the NICS Roster for the threats and for the Dishonorable discharge

There are a ton of articles
https://www.google.com/search?q=marine+road+rage+california&aq=f&oq=marine+road+rage+california&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l2.13798j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

This Kids, is how we DO NOT act

[asmo]

Great song on the radio.. SDX Story of my life.

[lowspeed_highdrag]

Ok, Marine's bad behavior is obvious, but there is also this:

"“He cut them off and apparently he kept brake-checking them,” said Lisa. “He would slam on his brakes abruptly. They hit into the back of him on the third time.”

The people following him had at least 2 instances to understand this was a driver with a PROBLEM and yet they continued to follow close enough to eventually rear-end this guy on the 3rd time. They need to take some responsibility for that IMO, but no one is going to focus on that much thanks to the Marine totally losing his shit.
Nope. They were coming through the front bate of Camp Pen, for a long stretch from I5 to the new PX there is no way to remove yourself from, the situation....

[lowspeed_highdrag]

By the way, for all we know these two asshats in the truck were tailgating or attempting to pass illegally. The video doesnt show anything they might have done. Poke a dog, even a nice peaceful dog, with a stick long enough, and your likely to get bitten.
In our "modern civilized society" we have this notion that no matter what the provokation, reacting is bad. Getting angry is bad. Well yanno, if I was being tailgating and having a bad day I might just brake check someone too, especially if they had done something stupid causing me to cut them off. And if they actually hit me from behind- especially with my wife in the car, well that might put me over the edge. Although I would likely have called the cops, blocked the road, and sat there with myfirearms pointed in a non-threatening direction until the police arrived. Other folks are not as calm or rational as I am.
Yes folks, having a temper is bad. Enhance your calm citizen...
You would enjoy a nice long stay in your county jail, and eventually your local DOC facility. Enjoy!

[Byte Stryke]

if you want to read something amusing...http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/threads/382594-Embarrassment-of-a-Marine
'KingSix' comes to his buddies rescue because you guys have never seen any faluja action, purple heart silver star we are all bad-asses etc...

and come to find out 'kingsix' is a 'person' that reportedly served from 92-98 and somehow still knows this guy they are buddies...

read for yourself But only if you are "a marine infantry and seen the shit... because otherwise, you just dont know man..."

[mrghost]

Nope. They were coming through the front bate of Camp Pen, for a long stretch from I5 to the new PX there is no way to remove yourself from, the situation....

Sorry, that doesn't really help explain how there's no way they could have removed themselves from the situation. From the video, looks like there's more than one lane in their direction and STILL doesn't explain why they were still following close enough to rear-end him by the 3rd brake check.. The only thing I can think of is if the Marine's cutoff happened right before the 3rd brake check, then yes, they likely wouldn't have sufficient reaction time.

[mrghost]

if you want to read something amusing...http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/threads/382594-Embarrassment-of-a-Marine
'KingSix' comes to his buddies rescue because you guys have never seen any faluja action, purple heart silver star we are all bad-asses etc...

and come to find out 'kingsix' is a 'person' that reportedly served from 92-98 and somehow still knows this guy they are buddies...

read for yourself But only if you are "a marine infantry and seen the shit... because otherwise, you just dont know man..."

The noteworthy bit in that thread (I didn't read it all):

"OK, tough guy, THAT was not the guys wife, that was her brother. The chick in the car is MARRIED to a Marine. They guy driving the truck is diagnosed with a mental disorder and has NO business behind the wheel. He had no license and no insurance. They gave false insurance papers at the scene. The driver of the truck also hit the Marines car, not once but 2 times, with HIS wife and 3 yr old daughter in the car.. again, I don't condone his behavior, he was way out of line, but all you guys making comments about something you have NO CLUE about is beyond stupid"

[Byte Stryke]

Sorry, that doesn't really help explain how there's no way they could have removed themselves from the situation. From the video, looks like there's more than one lane in their direction and STILL doesn't explain why they were still following close enough to rear-end him by the 3rd brake check.. The only thing I can think of is if the Marine's cutoff happened right before the 3rd brake check, then yes, they likely wouldn't have sufficient reaction time.


so its their fault for becoming involved in a motor vehicle accident with him...
well shit, I think he needs another medal then!

[Byte Stryke]

The noteworthy bit in that thread (I didn't read it all):

"OK, tough guy, THAT was not the guys wife, that was her brother. The chick in the car is MARRIED to a Marine. They guy driving the truck is diagnosed with a mental disorder and has NO business behind the wheel. He had no license and no insurance. They gave false insurance papers at the scene. The driver of the truck also hit the Marines car, not once but 2 times, with HIS wife and 3 yr old daughter in the car.. again, I don't condone his behavior, he was way out of line, but all you guys making comments about something you have NO CLUE about is beyond stupid"


read more of the thread, Kingsix has his facts stood on his head by the very same articles I quoted above

[Irving]

I didn't, and won't, watch the video, but I'd put comparative negligence on this all day long.

[mrghost]

so its their fault for becoming involved in a motor vehicle accident with him...
well shit, I think he needs another medal then!

All I'm suggesting is that from what info is available is that they potentially had a chance to avoid it and generally when you rear-end someone you're responsible. Like I said, if he cut them off right before braking with the intent of getting them to hit him that's another thing, and I have no idea how the law in California sees that.

[Byte Stryke]

All I'm suggesting is that from what info is available is that they potentially had a chance to avoid it and generally when you rear-end someone you're responsible. Like I said, if he cut them off right before braking with the intent of getting them to hit him that's another thing, and I have no idea how the law in California sees that.

well it doesn't matter as he is in military custody facing a dishonorable

serious, read the news articles, good stuff

[clublights]

So what if the second car was following too close.. and it was thier fault for the accident...


THAT'S WHAT INSURANCE IS FOR!!!!

Accidents happen oh well .. ZERO excuse for flipping out like that. NONE.
If you feel getting the car repaired was not enough.. thats what lawyers are for .. sue em for extended damages or whatever. don't go flipping out.

[mobbs]

Lol Pendleton.. this took place right at the commissary near the main gate. IIRC there's only one or two lanes in that spot. Marines can be dick heads especially if having to deal with California drivers all the time but that guy got what he deserved. Douche.

[tawm]

Haven't read pages 2 - 4, but just so everyone knows the point of reference, they were already aboard Pendleton (coming in from the Del Mar main gate), I.E. a federal installation in California. If you used a concealed handgun from your car you'd basically be fucked. The hipsters did the right thing. This is pure presumption on my part but hell, getting on base at that gate regardless of the time of day is bumper-to-bumper traffic. So of course everyone is riding everyones' ass.

Not that Sgt Fuckbin was anywhere CLOSE to being right--I just liked it when the douche started calling 'em pogs. He was probably an 01 himself.

[motohooligan]

So is DC Shoes the new uniform supplier for the Marines?

[brokenscout]

“PTSD is never a defense or an excuse,” Mantell explained. “It may be an explanation.”, He's a Marine what did you expect[Coffee]

[mobbs]

Oh yes I forgot to mention that you cannot carry on a military installation so that option is out the window. Gun control is worse on base than out in Commiefornia. Hard to believe but its true.

[sniper7]

Why did they keep following him? Maybe he has PTSD and needs some help? They shouldn't have hit him and this wouldn't have happened.

[Sharpienads]

Great song on the radio.. SDX Story of my life.

First thing I thought of as well.

[Zundfolge]

I'm amazed how many here are piling on to the driver as if he deserves to be dragged out of the car and beat up by a raging Marine. Traffic looked pretty heavy, so its hard to tell if they could get out from behind him easily, but we're not there ... I leave that up to the traffic investigator.

That said, I don't care if the driver carelessly rear ended the Marine ... hell, I don't care if he did it on purpose, that in ZERO way justifies the Marine's actions.

The thing that's most annoying is that if he wasn't identified as a Marine most would have no extra sympathy for him. I have a lot of respect for anyone that serves our country (especially in combat) but once you cross a few lines here at home you're a jackass and no longer have my respect (yeah, I'm looking at you John McCain :p ).


As for how I'd have handled it, being armed I'd have likely sat there just like the driver but if the glass on my window broke, that's when I'd probably draw.


At any rate, he's lucky he's at Pendleton and not Lejeune... North Carolinians are more heavily armed than Californians.

[Squeeze]

Play stupid games.................win stupid prizes. I've been utilizing light rail a lot lately on my way into work. I've felt tons of stress just bleed away. Besides...on a train if some jackhole wants to get stupid there is a lot more room to justify using force since "leaving the area" isn't always readily available.

[sneakerd]

That "marine" was an asshole. End of story.

[Dryfli]

All I can say is if you speak to my wife the way that jack ass did you better be one bad mother fu**er. After he walked over to side of the car my wife was on that flips the go switch I see red and what happens after that wouldn't be shown on YouTube...

[cofi]

man the driver is a total pussy he just lets another man talk to his women like that, But the marine is a total dickhead and should be charged with road rage. why cant we all just get along while we drive 5,000 pound missiles


All I can say is if you speak to my wife the way that jack ass did you better be one bad mother fu**er. After he walked over to side of the car my wife was on that flips the go switch I see red and what happens after that wouldn't be shown on YouTube...



just remember guys words are just words if something like that happened and you got out of your car and beat dudes ass your going to be wearing shiny new bracelets

[Dryfli]

Not once he pulls up on my door handle its not just words he try's to enter my vehicle same rules as car jacking ....

[mobbs]

I'm amazed how many here are piling on to the driver as if he deserves to be dragged out of the car and beat up by a raging Marine. Traffic looked pretty heavy, so its hard to tell if they could get out from behind him easily, but we're not there ... I leave that up to the traffic investigator.

That said, I don't care if the driver carelessly rear ended the Marine ... hell, I don't care if he did it on purpose, that in ZERO way justifies the Marine's actions.

The thing that's most annoying is that if he wasn't identified as a Marine most would have no extra sympathy for him. I have a lot of respect for anyone that serves our country (especially in combat) but once you cross a few lines here at home you're a jackass and no longer have my respect (yeah, I'm looking at you John McCain :p ).


As for how I'd have handled it, being armed I'd have likely sat there just like the driver but if the glass on my window broke, that's when I'd probably draw.


At any rate, he's lucky he's at Pendleton and not Lejeune... North Carolinians are more heavily armed than Californians.
Although true none of that matters, this happened on a military installation, therefore no guns permitted. Its also a pita to get handguns in onslow county near lejeune.

[Ronin13]

Okay, everybody I didn't post this with the intent to pick the situation apart before the camera started filming... Unless you were actually physically witness to the events leading up, please don't speculate, that's just presumptuous (or in better words, you're assuming and you know what happens when you ASS-U-ME). Needless to say, I had the distinct honor of serving under an NCO who put it to me very plainly, and this transcends whatever branch one may be in- "YOU represent not just your unit, but those brothers and sisters in your unit, the Army and most importantly AMERICA. Act accordingly, for there are those out there who don't see it as the actions of the individual, but a member of your unit, a soldier, an American." The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO. Period, end of transmission. What this young Sergeant did is inexcusable and brings shame on himself, his unit, his corps and his country, the incident is on YouTube for the world to see, and I promise you there are numbskulls out there that will interpret this as the common actions of most run-of-the-mill Marines, and Americans... don't believe me, look at Piers Morgan, he lumps all gun owners in the same boat because of the actions of just one.


Not once he pulls up on my door handle its not just words he try's to enter my vehicle same rules as car jacking ....
THIS! Curse at me, flip me the bird, threaten, I can let it go. The moment you attempt to violate my feeling of safety and security you will go down and I will justify my actions according to my freedom to self preservation. Just like they say in the Thunderdome- make me feel like I'm at risk of life, limb or injury "two will enter, one will leave." Make sure I know where to send my condolences.

[buckshotbarlow]

i'm surprised the guy didn't take it to the face from on coming traffic...that trash truck that went by could of done some real damage...

[Leatherneck Hayes]

Embarrassing for Marines everywhere [fail]