Open Discussion of all Things Electric Vehicle (aka EV) for Those Pro or Con, BE RESPECTFUL!

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Originally Posted by Jer

No more then you do every week when you climb in and realize that you need to go out of your way to get gas and stand at a gas pump regardless of weather conditions.

The negative hype about how "bad" the brakes on these cars are is largely exaggerated... a like like most of the FUD you read. I've never had a problem with not being able to brake. Not to mention I almost never even need friction brakes save for extreme and super rare scenarios. Gotta love brake pads and rotors lasting hundreds and thousands of miles! [Driveby2]

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Since someone inserted FUD into the discussion, let's throw some science in here;
http://youtu.be/rh12lK53hss

It's a similar concept to having 4WD in the snow. It might help get you going, but then you have to stop.

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Originally Posted by Jer

You did some real mental gymnastics on that one to try to make it seem like I was the one personally attacking you and being rude for simply pointing out one of the biggest negatives to hybrids. Not sure how you read tone in what I posted but that's on you.

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Let's keep it respectful, please.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Let's keep it respectful, please.

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The most respectful thing I can do after years of you following me like a lost puppy and twisting everything I saw to try to bait me into some petty internet argument is add you to my ignore list.

I'll add this to the braking conversation;

http://youtu.be/9BovlZsztFw
This directly follows on with the unweighting of the rear end under heavy braking as described in the earlier video. If you follow the video to the end, they were able to grab all of the data for what was going on when the Model S Plaid swapped ends. During the unweighting of the rear end, the Bosch ABS controller was not allowing the rear brakes to release enough fast enough. They have submitted the data to Tesla and they're looking into it.

Going fast is fun. The Tesla Model S Plaid is an a really unique position of being able to go really fast, really quickly for a 5000lb vehicle. If you do that often enough, the brakes will overheat, so be careful out there.

Not FUD, just information.

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

Yes and battery is 10y as well, but not transferable even to a family member nor spouse.

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Nice.

Not sure about Hyundai or Kia being able to scale up much on the EV front right now.

The first thing you see when you go to https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en is the 2022 IONIQ 5 EV. When you dig a little further you see this;

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Extremely Limited Availability.
2022 IONIQ 5 available in select states only and in extremely limited quantities. Contact your Hyundai dealer for availability details.⁠

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Originally Posted by Gman

Nice.

Not sure about Hyundai or Kia being able to scale up much on the EV front right now.

The first thing you see when you go to https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en is the 2022 IONIQ 5 EV. When you dig a little further you see this;

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Those are much harder to find. I even gave up on other hyundai ev. They had no special offers. :(
Only reason there were some Niro eV in stock was because they are having a model change on 2023.

I am starting to see that block of 3 to 4 car manufacturer pushes ev at a time to utilize 200k threshold hold for fed rebate.
If vw id.4 suv had some real special deal, that would have been my 1st or 2nd choice.


BTW. If you are serious, go on to your power company for any rebates they offer. I went into xcel for charger rebate and found another rebate form.
(Will post photo later)

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Originally Posted by DDT951

One thing an EV will never do..

Ignite the senses like a nice V12, Desmo-twin, a big block V8. (one could also argue that potato-potato-potato is also in that mix with the senses).

The sound and feel cannot be duplicated.

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I'm picturing a guy circa 1916 watching a Model T go by and saying, "Harumph! Sure those flivvers might be a good way to get to town, but they'll never have the grace and beauty of a fine thoroughbred race horse!"

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

BTW. If you are serious, go on to your power company for any rebates they offer. I went into xcel for charger rebate and found another rebate form.
(Will post photo later)

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Good tip. My provider has a web page for incentives that can be customized depending on the make/model for what type of incentives apply. For example, I don't get jack for a Tesla Model 3, but something like the KIA Niro EV, gets me a $7,500 Federal Tax Credit and $1,300 State Tax Exemption.

I don't want to own a large lithium battery or a premium car. But once prices drop and there is a fuel cell alternative (amonia, hydrogen), or a cheap and swappable battery (sodium or zinc-air) I am happy to get one.
I'm just not an early adopter for guns or cars. :(

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Originally Posted by Jer

Never is a pretty definitive length of time. I'm curious why you take a stance of "never" on a used EV. You can get used EVs of any year and mileage just like any other car. The more miles, generally speaking, the more you save over what they cost new. Lots of people are terrified of used EVs because of the reasons you mentioned but they fail to factory how much you save by buying used in the first place. With Teslas, for instance, they come with an 8-year warranty that transfers free from owner to owner. I've found a sweet spot in cars that are 4-5 years old or so that still have half of that warranty remaining and some even have some of the bumper-to-bumper warranty remaining as well. So... you're covered for major repairs for several years on a vehicle that cost you a fraction of what they were new. If you buy a used one with 4-5 years left on the warranty and throw that $4-$5k in a savings account until your warranty is expired you'll have enough to buy a new one even at the highest price if it fails the day after the warranty expires. It won't and you also don't HAVE to drop $20k to replace the battery pack. There are lots of 3rd party options out there that can fix your Tesla battery pack for a couple of grand in most cases I've seen. Pretty high tech stuff they do too so I wouldn't sweat it not being a solid solution. In the meantime, that $20k is just building interest rather than burning up (literally) in the form of gas/oil costs.

No idea on the ADA leg room requirements but I know a Model S has lots of leg room. Much more than that of the Model 3 and just more room in general as well. You can educate me on this aspect as I know very little.

As for room, you'd be pretty surprised with how much storage is in a Tesla Model S. It's substantial. People are always amazed by how much crap we can cram into one if need be. Depending on what you plan to haul, it may even offer more/better storage than a minivan. This is more case by case basis but I can tell you that, with the rear seats folded flat, the rear storage area on a Model S is absurd since it's a hatchback even though it looks like a sedan. you also have the lower hatch storage and the frunk area too.

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Well since you started this "discussion" asking to be respectful


I'll be less than polite when it comes to someone like you. Who for some reason ISN'T TAKING NO FOR AN ANSWER!

I explained why they don't work for me. I then explained it again. Since you seem to be ignoring what i've said. I'll SAY IT ONE MORE TIME. I have no inclination, desire, or even ponder buying an EV. After admitting you "HAVE NO IDEA" on the leg room. You then come back with . Well the Model S has lots of leg room. I'm sure it does for someone WITH 2 LEGS. FFS Jer give it a rest. A normal ICE vehicle with moderate center console doesn't work for someone like me with a full prosthetic.

Yet here you are trying to sell me on something that a person with 2 legs has no clue, why it doesn't work.
So let's wrap this up.

1st question. What happened to that Tacoma, you fawned and preened over a few years ago


2nd question, actually a statement.

From reading your entire thread. It appears the only one who needs convincing how GREAT AN EV IS. Is you. Sounds like you either have buyers remorse, OR so ignorant and tone deaf to those who FOR PERSONAL REASONS could care less about you or your EV's.


That's about as respectful as i can be, without getting a time out.


BUT keep trying to sell me, or question my reasons WHY I WILL NOT BUY ONE AND.......... i'll slam the door on you like those pesky jehovah witness.

Who like you, WILL NOT TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.