Open Discussion of all Things Electric Vehicle (aka EV) for Those Pro or Con, BE RESPECTFUL!

[Jer]

One thing an EV will never do..

Ignite the senses like a nice V12, Desmo-twin, a big block V8. (one could also argue that potato-potato-potato is also in that mix with the senses).

The sound and feel cannot be duplicated.

This was in the news today..

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/future-...s-air-electric

"What it would allow the brand to continue to deliver the aural experience many exotic sports car buyers expect, which can't be provided by near silent electric motors, making its cars arguably even more exotic in the future."

Nothing like the sounds of the Blue Angels at full tilt. Doesn't mean I want to live in one every single day of my life as my only means of transportation. If I did I'd have to gargle with a shotgun in relative short order.

There's nothing like complete silence as you talk with passengers or on your phone or jamming out to your favorite song or even just your latest podcast while your car drives itself to your destination... with your supervision of course Then, at any point, you can spank anything on the street from streetlight to streetlight. All in complete silence. We love hitting up garage sales on nice summer mornings and cruising around neighborhoods with the windows down and able to hear the sounds of the outdoors is cool.

[Jer]

BMW i4 M50 makes anie noise. LoL
Xring is planning to review automobile on YouTube with new car channel.

Engine sound from ev. Hahaha





Xring announcing new car channel

The only thing worse than no engine sounds form an EV is fake engine sounds from an EV.

[Jer]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-r...-noise-hazard/

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says on its website Thursday that the cars and SUVs have what Tesla calls a "Boombox" function that allows drivers to play sounds while the vehicles are moving. This violates federal safety standards that require pedestrian warning noises for electric cars, which make little noise when traveling, the agency says."

Good. It's stupid. Elon called the feds the "fun police" which I thought was hilarious, personally. I still think that "feature" was dumb and of course people abused it. Whatever.

[Jer]

Respectfully, I can say I'll never own an electric vehicle.

Not sure why this is presented like a badge of honor but.... thanks for the share?

[Jer]

...and there you lost me. You've come to accept that your vehicle is driving you, not the other way around.

On another note, I keep seeing people talk about how fast these vehicles can be. You owe it to yourselves to check out how the braking is on most of these very heavy vehicles when trying to quickly slow them from those fast speeds.

No more then you do every week when you climb in and realize that you need to go out of your way to get gas and stand at a gas pump regardless of weather conditions.

The negative hype about how "bad" the brakes on these cars are is largely exaggerated... a like like most of the FUD you read. I've never had a problem with not being able to brake. Not to mention I almost never even need friction brakes save for extreme and super rare scenarios. Gotta love brake pads and rotors lasting hundreds and thousands of miles!

[Jer]

Wasn't proposing that you buy one, was responding to the poster pitching the idea of an electric truck with a propane generator. Please pay attention.

Is there some reason you can't be respectful to others?

[Gman]

Is there some reason you can't be respectful to others?

There's nothing more disrespectful than not actually reading what people write. I've asked, nicely. Twice.

You get miffed when people say they'll never buy an EV, yet you responded that you wouldn't buy a Chevy Volt...when buying one wasn't even proposed.

Why are you targeting me as being disrespectful?

[Jer]

I am saying EVs are cheaper to make. But they are sold at a premium price. Part of that premium price is the federal kickback. "But you get $7500 back from the government" (cough cough "so we will charge you an extra $7500")

Once prices come in line (or cheaper) than ICE, they will be the first choice of consumers.

As an example, a 2019 VW e-golf was $32K. A 2019 Golf GTI was $28.5k. Base Golf was $22.7k (I used those because the ID4 has replaced Golf and same car could be compared). So the EV versions are [much] more expensive.

Maybe ultimately they will be cheaper but have you priced any sort of lithium-ion based battery going back since their inception? Like an EGO lawn tool as an example? A typical 5.0Ah battery from EGO has twenty-eight 18650 cells in it and costs about $250 retail. A Tesla Model S's 100kWh pack has 8,267 of these. Applying the per-cell price to that amount of cells gets my to about $73k. I realize this is over simplification and doesn't factor any economies of scale but it also doesn't account for the far more complex chemistry in the ones used for a Tesla or any of the R&D that went into the management system or the car itself. Did I mention it can drive itself too?

[Jer]

Great point.


It does cost less because they have a higher margin.
Sadly not selling enough, so they have those tax rebate upto certain quantities (~200k)

It is more of a micro econ issue than manufacturers trying to charge more to their ev customers. More quantities they manufacture, less marginal cost to make a vehicle.
I believe 1 single engine plane is also cheaper to make than 1 Hyundai, but they just do not have enough quantities sold to make the MC lower.

This is why automakers are pushing ev on the tv ad. Less parts and less cost assuming if they sell same quantity of ev as much as ice.





https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec...h=4f5927c037fd

Now that consumers are receptive to EVs the competition is fierce to be the "next" EV manufacturer people look to in order to claim those sales and that segment. This is why (finally) you see commercials.

Don't forget that most car manufacturers sell new cars at nearly no profit. They know they'll get that back on service & parts and EVs won't bring that revenue they've come to expect and plan for.

Advantage: consumer.

This also plays a large role in why all other manufacturers shunned Tesla's offer to allow them use their established network for free other than the cost of the electricity and maintenance costs. Tesla didn't build the Supercharger network to be a revenue generator. They created it to speed up the migration to more sustainable energy sources. With that in mind and knowing it was a major hurdle for those just entering the segment, they offered to let them hop onboard. The problem is that the legacy manufacturers see it as an opportunity to have their own proprietary ports/system and become the "gas stations" of the future to make residual income on their cars to support their (rapidly shrinking) business model.

If you liked the endless charger circus for cell phones in the late 90's and early 2000's, just wait until you see them 6ft tall and sprinkled all over the nation.

[Jer]

There's nothing more disrespectful than not actually reading what people write. I've asked, nicely. Twice.

You get miffed when people say they'll never buy an EV, yet you responded that you wouldn't buy a Chevy Volt...when buying one wasn't even proposed.

Why are you targeting me as being disrespectful?

You did some real mental gymnastics on that one to try to make it seem like I was the one personally attacking you and being rude for simply pointing out one of the biggest negatives to hybrids. Not sure how you read tone in what I posted but that's on you.