Open Discussion of all Things Electric Vehicle (aka EV) for Those Pro or Con, BE RESPECTFUL!

[MrPrena]

One thing an EV will never do..

Ignite the senses like a nice V12, Desmo-twin, a big block V8. (one could also argue that potato-potato-potato is also in that mix with the senses).

The sound and feel cannot be duplicated.

This was in the news today..

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/future-...s-air-electric

"What it would allow the brand to continue to deliver the aural experience many exotic sports car buyers expect, which can't be provided by near silent electric motors, making its cars arguably even more exotic in the future."

BMW i4 M50 makes anie noise. LoL
Xring is planning to review automobile on YouTube with new car channel.

Engine sound from ev. Hahaha





Xring announcing new car channel

[DDT951]

Engine sound from ev. Hahaha

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-r...-noise-hazard/

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says on its website Thursday that the cars and SUVs have what Tesla calls a "Boombox" function that allows drivers to play sounds while the vehicles are moving. This violates federal safety standards that require pedestrian warning noises for electric cars, which make little noise when traveling, the agency says."

[DDT951]

Don't trust anything from a license plate that has the letters "NL" on the left.

That stands for "nur links". Translation ("only left") What that means is this person feels entitled to drive on an autobahn at say 120kmh in the left lane for 300km with moving right as required by law to let actual traffic by. Normally they have a travel trailer behind them (with potatoes in it) and can manage to go under 100kmh in the left lane all the way to Swiss Border on their way to Italy....

[MrPrena]

Don't trust anything from a license plate that has the letters "NL" on the left.

That stands for "nur links". Translation ("only left") What that means is this person feels entitled to drive on an autobahn at say 120kmh in the left lane for 300km with moving right as required by law to let actual traffic by. Normally they have a travel trailer behind them (with potatoes in it) and can manage to go under 100kmh in the left lane all the way to Swiss Border on their way to Italy....

Something new I've heard today.
I've been to Germany around 2002, and I did not know about that. Of course, I was there for about 8 days only.

There are more review for i4 M50.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=i4+m50

I just do not like any vehicle "models" (ICE or EV) which does not participate in motor racing putting "M" or "AMG" stuff on it. At least need to be a safety car for a motor race.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Respectfully, I can say I'll never own an electric vehicle.

[Jer]

I will never buy a used EV, not when most are up in the mid 75-80K mileage wise, with cost of a replacement battery not worth opening my wallet for. The 2nd reason for not owning 1, leg room. Until a ev mfg makes a very friendly, ADA leg room unit, it can sit on the showroom.
3rd . Those vehicles work for a family of 2, who travel moderately light. For us a mini van with cargo topper is still not enough room, when we rarely return home empty handed.



I'll wait till i'm too old to do my own services & repairs on what we drive, now.

Never is a pretty definitive length of time. I'm curious why you take a stance of "never" on a used EV. You can get used EVs of any year and mileage just like any other car. The more miles, generally speaking, the more you save over what they cost new. Lots of people are terrified of used EVs because of the reasons you mentioned but they fail to factory how much you save by buying used in the first place. With Teslas, for instance, they come with an 8-year warranty that transfers free from owner to owner. I've found a sweet spot in cars that are 4-5 years old or so that still have half of that warranty remaining and some even have some of the bumper-to-bumper warranty remaining as well. So... you're covered for major repairs for several years on a vehicle that cost you a fraction of what they were new. If you buy a used one with 4-5 years left on the warranty and throw that $4-$5k in a savings account until your warranty is expired you'll have enough to buy a new one even at the highest price if it fails the day after the warranty expires. It won't and you also don't HAVE to drop $20k to replace the battery pack. There are lots of 3rd party options out there that can fix your Tesla battery pack for a couple of grand in most cases I've seen. Pretty high tech stuff they do too so I wouldn't sweat it not being a solid solution. In the meantime, that $20k is just building interest rather than burning up (literally) in the form of gas/oil costs.

No idea on the ADA leg room requirements but I know a Model S has lots of leg room. Much more than that of the Model 3 and just more room in general as well. You can educate me on this aspect as I know very little.

As for room, you'd be pretty surprised with how much storage is in a Tesla Model S. It's substantial. People are always amazed by how much crap we can cram into one if need be. Depending on what you plan to haul, it may even offer more/better storage than a minivan. This is more case by case basis but I can tell you that, with the rear seats folded flat, the rear storage area on a Model S is absurd since it's a hatchback even though it looks like a sedan. you also have the lower hatch storage and the frunk area too.

[Jer]

True, but ICE vehicles are built with larger cooling systems in place since they so generate much more heat. But at 130mph, there's a metric fuckton of air moving through the radiator on my F150, and around the trans/diffs/etc.
Now I've never actually inspected a tesla or anything, but I would assume that it's a relatively flat bottom, so not much moving around down there, and has a small radiator stuffed somewhere to account for cooling the battery and whatever control systems are in there. I would ASSUME that the discharge rate needed to propel the vehicle would heat the pack up a bit. Same for running back to back launches in Ludacris mode

Tesla drive motors have their own cooling and it's not really an issue ever that I've heard of. I remember seeing something years ago about how they torture tested these drive motors and what they're asked to do in the car is many, many, many times less.

Teslas have radiators as well to exchange heat, when necessary. It's pretty genius the way it works actually... they have but a single heating/cooling system that manages every aspect of heating/cooling of the car. Unlike the three systems that most ICE cars have it's a single system which cuts down on complexity significantly. One system with a series of check balls and valves to make the magic happen regardless of if the pack is hot or cold and you're calling for the opposite in the cabin.

[Jer]

Some now such as servicing... but when EV becomes more common and right to repair is implemented fully, after market parts and 3rd party independent service centers will come and replace independent ICE shops and there will not be a need for the ICE dealer style networks and con artists.

Dealers can suck it.

Service is the biggest problem I have with Tesla. Something like 80% of the problems can be repaired by a mobile tech. If your issue falls into this category, it's magical. Truly. Every car repair experience should be this way. You literally open the app, select service, choose from a drop down and then pick a date & time. They come right to your home, work, wherever and fix your car right there. No extra charge or anything. It's truly remarkable.

For as good as the mobile service is, the service center experience is equally horrific. It's a complete cluster and that's if you're lucky enough to have one nearby. Everyone who asks us about Tesla I usually lead with this information. They used to have the best customer service ever in the car segment but, once they decided to become profitable, it was the first thing to do. It's been on a steady decline since and, despite Elon saying he's away and they'll work on it... it's broken systematically. They have zero real desire to actually fix. Before you say I'm just expecting too much of customer service let me hit you with two widely known facts: Tesla has NO customer facing phone number. None. You have no way to escalate your issue to a Supervisor or manager if the rep at the SC who is helping you isn't actually helping you.

It's funny that people want to make up negative stuff to try to slander Tesla when this is a very real issue and is incredibly easy to point out. That said, for as bad as the customer service is overall, the cars are equally amazing. We live with it for now. Once better options come along we may bounce. So far nothing is even close though.

[Jer]

The P100D I was riding in (was on the A98 before there were limits put on) hit the top speed at 200kmh. It did not go anywhere near 250kmh.

Something was wrong with that car. I've never heard of a 125mph speed limited Tesla Model S P100D.

They do 155mph and Tesla has no interest on restricting that. That's one of the beautiful aspects of Tesla in fact, they don't believe in the nannies that the other manufacturers do. Want to use your screen while the car is in motion? Go for it. Want to drive the car around with the hatch or a door open? Have at it! I appreciate when something I paid for let me do what I want rather than endless restrictions.

In fact, the new versions already do well over that and, once they sort out the bugs, will update the cars to be be capable of 200mph.

[Jer]

Not really. If you paid for 87 octane but we?re given 91 then you reap whatever benefits come with the higher octane.

A better analogy would be buying a truck with a 36 gallon fuel tank but it has a baffle installed so it only holds 28 gallons and reduces the range of the vehicle.

I am assuming if someone had an electric vehicle capable of more range that was software limited that there is some way to jailbreak or hack it to unlock the additional battery potential?

Yeah, some of those 3rd party outfits I mentioned previously can do exactly that. They have ways to get root access and do all sorts of things. I know one in particular will sell larger packs to people and even has a handy spreadsheet of what each model will cost based on the battery that's in them. People are even able to pay a little extra to make non Performance cars performance models and other crazy upgrades that Tesla said would be available "someday" many years ago. Of course this voids your warranty but if you have a car that needs a $15k pack and it's already out of warranty... options like this are incredible. Lots of happy people who had an early (2012, 2013) 60kWh car that paid for a 85kWh pack and the air suspension required to carry it. Newer cars have the proper suspension and other things in place already but it's still nice to be able to do those things even if they aren't sanctioned by Tesla.