List of places no one should be allowed to possess a firearm:

LEO's are trained in weapon retention. Most CCW carriers are not. And there is certainly no standard for CCW carriers to be held to as far as retention goes. This is not a Liberal/Conservative thing. When some dad or mom is full on destroying a bag of peanuts, slugging cokes and yelling at their kids on the way to Orlando. It would be easy for Johnny Jihad or anyone else to relieve them of their firearm. I've seen more than a few who were "allowed" make me cringe as I saw how they were printing. It's never gonna happen. And I don't know anybody in my business who wants it to.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

unfortunatley the liberals use the same logic. "im not so worried about the LEO (who may have no clue and are still human) who comes to my restaurant, ball game, theater, etc, its the idiot who gets drunk and then kills everyone with his deranged mind and killer gun. and the blood has run in the streets just like the liberals said it would, if concealed carry got approved in more places.

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the airplane arguement is really stupid anyway. I think we all believe a private company can make the rule against carrying. and Im sure all the airlines would ban carry. now, if they get any government funds. forget it. not that the taxpayers should be paying for any of this crap. be competitive or close shop.

So, let me get this straight....

Because there are folks to protect you on an airplane your OK with giving up your right to defend yourself?

Huh....

I guess then since there are standing armed forces and police to defend us we should all lay down our weapons and trust that no matter what the armed folks around us will protect us??

Interesting,

So try this one on for size-

You know why you dont read about a nutjob driving up to a gun range, pulling out his pistol, and proceeding to fire off some rounds? Because there are folks with guns there.
Armed folks, or even the possibility of armed folks, tend to keep the noise down. None of these whackjobs out there sought out any areas where there possibly would be armed resistance.

Now, airplanes are confined, give yout hat. But the always have been. And AGAIN, for DECADES, as in MORE THAN ONE, folks thought nothing of carrying thier firearms onto the plane. Never heard tell of someone going crazy and shooting one up. Never heard of one hijacked, never heard of one bombed out of the sky. Even in wartime.

Now, pnder this...

A guy gets agitated on the plane, he knows that no one has any sort of weapon on the plane, so there are no consequences to any of his actions beyond possible arrest. Now, lets say that the possibility exists that in a cabin of 125 people 30 of them are carrying weapons of one sort or the other. Changes things a bit. Now if he shows his ass there is a real possibility he will be looking down the barrel of a citizen with a loaded weapon and pissed because you disturbed his in flight movie.

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Originally Posted by RMAC757

LEO's are trained in weapon retention. Most CCW carriers are not. And there is certainly no standard for CCW carriers to be held to as far as retention goes.

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Just how much training in retention do I need when you can't see my weapon and it's snugged under my armpit or down by ... well, anyone reaching in there WILL be noticed and WILL get an elbow in the face (unless she looks really good in a bikini). I really don't want to be on alert all the time, would rather sleep on most of my plane trips so am hardly likely to want to carry even if it's allowed but "retention" is one of the dumbest arguments I've seen against it.

The last time I checked, most of us weren't asking to relax background check or training rules to get a CHP so anyone who WOULD carry concealed on an plane is already part of one of the most law-abiding demographic groups in the nation.

As far as the question goes, I can see barring private concealed carry at places where emotions have a tendency to run high (e.g., courthouses) or people have often wanted to make a political statement (e.g., White House or Capitol building) but I would generally prefer they allowed carry by licensed individuals subject to security check.

Umm, you guys forgot Colorado in general.... [gohome]

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Originally Posted by MarkCO

The fact that JM Ver 2.0 argues for something usually makes me think it is a bad idea just on principle. But for the most part, prisons and jails are probably better left to SORT and less lethal weapons than firearms.

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Second that.

How about:

No person is allowed to carry when on a security detail or part thereof for any government official who has supported, voted for, or sponsored any anti-2A bill, order or activity in any way or form.

Sounds good to me. Let them see just what it feels like to be forcibly disarmed.

Seconded!

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

Just how much training in retention do I need when you can't see my weapon and it's snugged under my armpit or down by ... well, anyone reaching in there WILL be noticed and WILL get an elbow in the face (unless she looks really good in a bikini). I really don't want to be on alert all the time, would rather sleep on most of my plane trips so am hardly likely to want to carry even if it's allowed but "retention" is one of the dumbest arguments I've seen against it.

The last time I checked, most of us weren't asking to relax background check or training rules to get a CHP so anyone who WOULD carry concealed on an plane is already part of one of the most law-abiding demographic groups in the nation.

As far as the question goes, I can see barring private concealed carry at places where emotions have a tendency to run high (e.g., courthouses) or people have often wanted to make a political statement (e.g., White House or Capitol building) but I would generally prefer they allowed carry by licensed individuals subject to security check.

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Really....one of the dumbest arguments you've seen on this? Ask a law enforcement officer how much time they spend on weapon retention. All it would take is one careless person carrying and one motivated terrorist, psyco, whatever to seize the moment. Most passengers aren't quite as ninja as yourself. May I ask.....what do you do for a living?

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Originally Posted by RMAC757

May I ask.....what do you do for a living?

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I am suddenly more interested in what you do for a living?