ELECTION 2014 - Merged Threads

BTW, where is nynco?

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Originally Posted by Superorb

I thought Obamacare would bring people out of the woodwork, but all it did was screw over people who work for a living and already couldn't afford exorbitant healthcare.

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Wait until the next tax season...
[panic]

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

Wait until the next tax season...
[panic]

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Yup. I'm self employed, and there's no way I can afford even the cheapest Obamacare plan for $500/month for my wife and I with sky high deductibles. So come tax time I'll be punished because I can't afford it, and because I don't have enough money I'm required to pay the IRS money. The whole thing is so stupid. Steal money from those who work so that those who don't work can have nice things.

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Originally Posted by MarkCO

Republicans who want to get elected should not even be talking about issues which are already law. Rear-looking policies are the methods of Obummer, the republicans need to lead with a positive message and let the vileness of the Democratic party damage their candidates. Repeal, undoing etc. as it relates to Democrat policies is a focus on the negative. Identify the biggest problems and find solutions without attacking the Democrats directly...that looks like a winning formula for some GOP wins across the county.

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Too Late. Why is this person even speaking ? Ocare should have been a mid to late 2015 discussion, not out of the gate. The D's are already on I TOLD YOU SO mode STFU, move these bills that Reid supposedly would not and go from there.
http://news.yahoo.com/speaker-boehne...-business.html

After more than 50 failed attempts to repeal or neutralize Obamacare, Boehner said the House would vote again in 2015 to scuttle the law, even if Democrats can still block it in the Senate and it faces a certain veto from Obama.

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Originally Posted by MarkCO

If we examine closely Christian values (like ti of not, the Judeo-Christian ethic is foundational to the constitution), they say that we are not to judge people, but actions while adhering to Christ's teachings. That went off in the weeds in the Christian church when legalism came in and said you can not dance, drink or chew or go with women who do. Christ associated with prostitutes and criminals, he did not condemn them. The American Christian church has sought to condemn "sinners" when if the true teaching were to be followed, ALL are condemned to sin. The politicization of Christian values left the acceptance and replaced it with judgement, even if the "sin" was impactful only on the sinner. By re-creation of the "law" most Christian politicians have lost their way in that Christianity teaches that everything done by man is folly apart from Christ. Bottom line, no-one can legislate morality and many in the Christian right think they can. If you want people to be better, you affect their thoughts, show them the benefits of better conduct, not condemn them by labeling in accord with their actions.

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Though I agree with most of what is posted, here's a couple of points regarding Christian judgment and consent:

Christians are commanded to judge:
This link explains it better than I:
http://www.letusreason.org/Pent44.htm

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John 7:24 Jesus says: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” What Jesus does tell us is not to judge by our own opinions, but instead judge by the word of God, that is what it means to judge righteously. He always encouraged the people to judge. God told Israel to judge the prophets in the Old Testament. He had the true prophets judge the false but the people reacted saying the very same things people are saying today. Your being negative oh you never have anything good to say. In the New Testament we are told to judge prophecy, to discern, to test the spirits and we are told to test ALL things. We are told to do this because it helps keep us away from what is false and evil. The apostle Paul showed us how to judge so there would be no second guesswork. The apostle Paul said, “If anyone preaches another gospel let him be accursed” Would anyone say to Paul's face “your judging.” In 2 Thess. 3:14-15 “And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.” Strong guidelines that many avoid to do today. These are done not to condemn but to bring repentance and restoration."

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Paul reminds us that not only the sinner, but also anyone who consents to the sin is worthy of death.

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Romans 1:32 (DRA)
Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Too Late. Why is this person even speaking ? Ocare should have been a mid to late 2015 discussion, not out of the gate. The D's are already on I TOLD YOU SO mode STFU, move these bills that Reid supposedly would not and go from there.
http://news.yahoo.com/speaker-boehne...-business.html

After more than 50 failed attempts to repeal or neutralize Obamacare, Boehner said the House would vote again in 2015 to scuttle the law, even if Democrats can still block it in the Senate and it faces a certain veto from Obama.

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Unfortunately, the Rs have been speaking much more about "fixing" OCare than they have repealing it.
I suspect the same will happen with immigration. Obama will do something huge/drastic in regards to open immigration and the Rs will later scale it back, but not repeal it.
The Rs figure the citizens will like them for pulling back on the reigns.
I don't see any way the Rs are going to give up the governmental power that is inherent to OCare - once they are in charge of it.

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Originally Posted by davsel

Unfortunately, the Rs have been speaking much more about "fixing" OCare than they have repealing it.
I suspect the same will happen with immigration. Obama will do something huge/drastic in regards to open immigration and the Rs will later scale it back, but not repeal it.
The Rs figure the citizens will like them for pulling back on the reigns.
I don't see any way the Rs are going to give up the governmental power that is inherent to OCare - once they are in charge of it.

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Perhaps. However Boehner is a negative in my book. Let one of the young guns who won tuesday explain why they want to do what's needed. Keep him and other old R's out of the picture.

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Originally Posted by Superorb

Yup. I'm self employed, and there's no way I can afford even the cheapest Obamacare plan for $500/month for my wife and I with sky high deductibles. So come tax time I'll be punished because I can't afford it, and because I don't have enough money I'm required to pay the IRS money. The whole thing is so stupid. Steal money from those who work so that those who don't work can have nice things.

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I'm afraid this will ultimately lead to the end. Even if there are more consumers than producers, the government can print more money without telling anyone to support the consumers and it'll be okay until the cat gets out of the bag and all the producers are bankrupted and robbed blind by the very government they support.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Perhaps. However Boehner is a negative in my book. Let one of the young guns who won tuesday explain why they want to do what's needed. Keep him and other old R's out of the picture.

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Make Ted Cruz the Senate Majority Leader, and Trey Gowdy Speaker of the House.
Then we'll see some action.

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Originally Posted by davsel

Make Ted Cruz the Senate Majority Leader, and Trey Gowdy Speaker of the House.
Then we'll see some action.

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This I could get behind. The old dogs from both parties need to go away. Time for some new ideas.

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Originally Posted by Jer

This I could get behind. The old dogs from both parties need to go away. Time for some new ideas.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by davsel

Make Ted Cruz the Senate Majority Leader, and Trey Gowdy Speaker of the House.
Then we'll see some action.

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Originally Posted by Jer

This I could get behind. The old dogs from both parties need to go away. Time for some new ideas.

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

Agreed.

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MODS Close this thread. The heavens have opened , the most important people have come together in agreement.

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Originally Posted by davsel

Unfortunately, the Rs have been speaking much more about "fixing" OCare than they have repealing it.
I suspect the same will happen with immigration. Obama will do something huge/drastic in regards to open immigration and the Rs will later scale it back, but not repeal it.
The Rs figure the citizens will like them for pulling back on the reigns.
I don't see any way the Rs are going to give up the governmental power that is inherent to OCare - once they are in charge of it.

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Damn straight. Pure politics to preserve power.

Is the election over yet? [Sofa]

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Originally Posted by Gman

Is the election over yet? [Sofa]

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Thought it was. Time to move it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdcTmpvDO0I

So I'm really struggling to find good information here. Election night/morning it said the Republicans definitely took the state Senate and it was possible they might take the house too. Now the house is definitely still democratic, and it's down to one seat and a couple hundred seats in adams county, that won't be finished counting for a couple more days. Is that really where we stand or am I reading this wrong...?

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Originally Posted by Brian

So I'm really struggling to find good information here. Election night/morning it said the Republicans definitely took the state Senate and it was possible they might take the house too. Now the house is definitely still democratic, and it's down to one seat and a couple hundred seats in adams county, that won't be finished counting for a couple more days. Is that really where we stand or am I reading this wrong...?

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I can't find anything either. Probably easier to keep the people in the dark anyways, they'll forget about it in a few days and get on with their lives. It's the way Dems operate. The longer a recount or count goes, the more Dem votes magically appear.

9news just posted that the Republicans conceded that Dems keep the house. Senate still being counted.

http://www.9news.com/story/news/poli...edes/18661197/

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Tar & feathers. Even though thenaysayers say not possible. [ROFL2] I guess being in a staunchly conservative state like CA, gives one vision. Of what's to come . RECALLS, it's what's for Ballot.

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Actually it does. I have seen a Republican party tone-deafly thump it's chest and "stick to its guns" straight into irrelevancy. Demographics in CA shifted over the past 30 years but the Republicans did not tailor their message to the new trends, and now Republicans are effectively meaningless in the legislative process. I guess it's better to stick to a pure ideology rather than win, right? Just like the election-spoiling Libertarians?

Recalls? Coloradans just had their chance to oust Hickenlooper and failed. John Morse's seat got filled by one of Bloomberg's anti-gun staffers for crying out loud. I see that recall worked out super well. Maybe more effort should be put into developing better candidates that will win given the local environment.

I would also add something about getting better R turnout but the whole mail in ballot thing is really vexing. Here in CA mail-in ballots are rejected at an unacceptably high rate. If the same is true in CO maybe strategies to rectify that or work around it should be developed, like dropping them off in person, or getting a printout of DMV signature to ensure the one on your ballot will match.

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Originally Posted by Rumline

Actually it does. I have seen a Republican party tone-deafly thump it's chest and "stick to its guns" straight into irrelevancy. Demographics in CA shifted over the past 30 years but the Republicans did not tailor their message to the new trends, and now Republicans are effectively meaningless in the legislative process. I guess it's better to stick to a pure ideology rather than win, right? Just like the election-spoiling Libertarians?

Recalls? Coloradans just had their chance to oust Hickenlooper and failed. John Morse's seat got filled by one of Bloomberg's anti-gun staffers for crying out loud. I see that recall worked out super well. Maybe more effort should be put into developing better candidates that will win given the local environment.

I would also add something about getting better R turnout but the whole mail in ballot thing is really vexing. Here in CA mail-in ballots are rejected at an unacceptably high rate. If the same is true in CO maybe strategies to rectify that or work around it should be developed, like dropping them off in person, or getting a printout of DMV signature to ensure the one on your ballot will match.

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NEW TRENDS IN CA? Like Amnesty for illegals, medicaid, anchor babies, higher taxes, ban on lead ammo, ASSAULT weapon ban NO CCW OR open carry,10 day wait before bringing home a gun. CADOJ APPROVED FIREARMS. . YEAH THAT'S TAILORING A MESSAGE. TO LIBERALS.

You sound like the typical west or east coaster who moved to CO for a better lifestyle. PROVIDING we changes our laws to meet your way of life in the place you moved from. Should we hold hands embracing our ILLEGAL Brothers and Sisters in the name of Diversity. [facepalm]

WELL if you were knowledgeable about Morse's constituency . Even booted out the people still can vote in the general election cyc;le. Morse's area has a vast D voting block than R's. The recall election was considered by the Left and major R's to be a joke, no one EXCEPT gun owners took seriously. The Gun owner turned out en mass to kick his kiester to the pavement. The mid-term had everyone turn out ,getting that predominant D district the ability to vote another D to office.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

NEW TRENDS IN CA? Like Amnesty for illegals, medicaid, anchor babies, higher taxes, ban on lead ammo, ASSAULT weapon ban NO CCW OR open carry,10 day wait before bringing home a gun. CADOJ APPROVED FIREARMS. . YEAH THAT'S TAILORING A MESSAGE. TO LIBERALS.

You sound like the typical west or east coaster who moved to CO for a better lifestyle. PROVIDING we changes our laws to meet your way of life in the place you moved from. Should we hold hands embracing our ILLEGAL Brothers and Sisters in the name of Diversity. [facepalm]

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Spare me the condescension; I am not in favor of any of those policies. I'm just pointing out that in a Republican wave election, CO did not get much redder, especially from a gun rights point of view. My suggestion, from someone who has seen where this road leads, is to figure out why or learn to enjoy CA-style BS, all of what you listed above and more. If you'd rather piss on the messenger because I'm not licking your ***, that's your perogative. Engaging in unrealistic groupthink does not further the cause.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Even booted out the people still can vote in the general election cyc;le. Morse's area has a vast D voting block than R's. The recall election was considered by the Left and major R's to be a joke, no one EXCEPT gun owners took seriously. The Gun owner turned out en mass to kick his kiester to the pavement. The mid-term had everyone turn out ,getting that predominant D district the ability to vote another D to office.

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So are you in favor of recalls or aren't you? Can't have it both ways... BTW what do you think is going to happen in the next presidental election, when turnout is traditionally higher for Dems? How are your recall candidates going to fare then?

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I guess the fact that I'm from CA means that I have a persona non grata hole to dig myself out of. I get it; nobody wants to be told how to run their own affaris. I apologize if that's how I came off. Yes I want to move to CO for a better quality of life: so sue me. But I do not want to bring CA with me; I sincerely want to do anything I can to help turn CO red again. I donated to the recalls last year and I donated to Beauprez and Gardner this year. Yes, I do not really know what makes Colorado, so if something I say is bull**** call me out and tell me why. I enjoy honest debates, and I am not afraid to learn or change my views. My only request is to keep the comments focused on the issues, because ultimately that's what matters. Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
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Originally Posted by Rumline

[ threadjack]
I guess the fact that I'm from CA means that I have a persona non grata hole to dig myself out of. I get it; nobody wants to be told how to run their own affaris. I apologize if that's how I came off. Yes I want to move to CO for a better quality of life: so sue me. But I do not want to bring CA with me; I sincerely want to do anything I can to help turn CO red again. I donated to the recalls last year and I donated to Beauprez and Gardner this year. Yes, I do not really know what makes Colorado, so if something I say is bull**** call me out and tell me why. I enjoy honest debates, and I am not afraid to learn or change my views. My only request is to keep the comments focused on the issues, because ultimately that's what matters. Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
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Welcome and thank you for your support.

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Originally Posted by Rumline

[ threadjack]
I guess the fact that I'm from CA means that I have a persona non grata hole to dig myself out of. I get it; nobody wants to be told how to run their own affaris. I apologize if that's how I came off. Yes I want to move to CO for a better quality of life: so sue me. But I do not want to bring CA with me; I sincerely want to do anything I can to help turn CO red again. I donated to the recalls last year and I donated to Beauprez and Gardner this year. Yes, I do not really know what makes Colorado, so if something I say is bull**** call me out and tell me why. I enjoy honest debates, and I am not afraid to learn or change my views. My only request is to keep the comments focused on the issues, because ultimately that's what matters. Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
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I'd say that helps quite a bit. [Beer]

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Originally Posted by hurley842002

Welcome and thank you for your support.

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Originally Posted by Sawin

I'd say that helps quite a bit. [Beer]

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Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
Anyone actually say that in their response or you throwing shit out there? It takes more than 1 to play nice. Using words no one said is not the way the game's played.

I put Mister CA on ignore stop quoting him, please................

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
Anyone actually say that in their response or you throwing shit out there? It takes more than 1 to play nice. Using words no one said is not the way the game's played.

I put Mister CA on ignore stop quoting him, please................

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Guess I didn't read all that, only saw the "thread jack" portion.

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Originally Posted by hurley842002

Guess I didn't read all that, only saw the "thread jack" portion.

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No Problem.
psst.......................I think he's nynco's cousin

Where are so many people getting this ridiculous idea that republicans did poorly in Colorado in this election?

Open US Senate seat held by democrat: Republican
Colorado AG: Republican
Colorado SoS: Republican
Colorado Treasurer: Republican
Sheriffs: All but two (of the open sheriff seats that I can find) Republican
CO House: missed taking control by one seat. That means republicans picked up several house seats.
CO Senate: Still undecided but looks like republicans will take it.

The governor held on by less than 3%. That's the only real loss by republicans. EVERYWHERE else they either won or gained ground on democrats. How anyone can see this as short of amazing given the trend in Colorado over the last decade is just baffling.

If everything remained the same with the exception of Beauprez beating Hickenlooper this would be described as a complete republican victory.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Where are so many people getting this ridiculous idea that republicans did poorly in Colorado in this election?

Open US Senate seat held by democrat: Republican
Colorado AG: Republican
Colorado SoS: Republican
Colorado Treasurer: Republican
Sheriffs: All but two (of the open sheriff seats that I can find) Republican
CO House: missed taking control by one seat. That means republicans picked up several house seats.
CO Senate: Still undecided but looks like republicans will take it.

The governor held on by less than 3%. That's the only real loss by republicans. EVERYWHERE else they either won or gained ground on democrats. How anyone can see this as short of amazing given the trend in Colorado over the last decade is just baffling.

If everything remained the same with the exception of Beauprez beating Hickenlooper this would be described as a complete republican victory.

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SSSHHHHHH Lets not spoil it.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Where are so many people getting this ridiculous idea that republicans did poorly in Colorado in this election?

Open US Senate seat held by democrat: Republican
Colorado AG: Republican
Colorado SoS: Republican
Colorado Treasurer: Republican
Sheriffs: All but two (of the open sheriff seats that I can find) Republican
CO House: missed taking control by one seat. That means republicans picked up several house seats.
CO Senate: Still undecided but looks like republicans will take it.

The governor held on by less than 3%. That's the only real loss by republicans. EVERYWHERE else they either won or gained ground on democrats. How anyone can see this as short of amazing given the trend in Colorado over the last decade is just baffling.

If everything remained the same with the exception of Beauprez beating Hickenlooper this would be described as a complete republican victory.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

SSSHHHHHH Lets not spoil it.

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Yeah come on! The forum is having way too much fun going back and forth over who is the better party. At least nobody is arguing FOR Dems, just helping them win....

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Where are so many people getting this ridiculous idea that republicans did poorly in Colorado in this election?

Open US Senate seat held by democrat: Republican
Colorado AG: Republican
Colorado SoS: Republican
Colorado Treasurer: Republican
Sheriffs: All but two (of the open sheriff seats that I can find) Republican
CO House: missed taking control by one seat. That means republicans picked up several house seats.
CO Senate: Still undecided but looks like republicans will take it.

The governor held on by less than 3%. That's the only real loss by republicans. EVERYWHERE else they either won or gained ground on democrats. How anyone can see this as short of amazing given the trend in Colorado over the last decade is just baffling.

If everything remained the same with the exception of Beauprez beating Hickenlooper this would be described as a complete republican victory.

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Agreed. Think I'm going to go shoot something to celebrate tomorrow. :)