Looming Government Shutdown (again)

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

No, they could not. There are specific jobs that cannot be relegated to the private sector- such as jobs involving the defense of the union, and areas that are not privatized.

But we are dealing with things that ARE, not what should be, according to your line of thought.

Private sector jobs also have those same lazy, unproductive, and incompetent social loafers. The government does not have a monoploy on slackers.

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Excluding military, what positions in defense of the Union are you referencing? I have worked military, government and civilian contractor and agree there are slackers in all. The difference being there is a much higher probability that the civilian slacker will be dealt with. It is much more difficult in the government.

We all know there are hard workers and slackers within each group. It is not a an affront to gov. employees.

we need better educated and motivated voters

As indicated, it's pretty slim for people that have looked stuff up and done some research independently to completely have their shit together, but at least they tried. This is the type of person that I try to be when I vote....and then again, nobody is perfect.

There are plenty of motivated voters that have zero effing idea what they're voting on, and whom it actually hurts or helps, or WHY those things can actually be bad for them because the front end SOUNDS GOOD to them.

It's difficult for many people to imagine, but one can certainly have a stake in the country without owning land.

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Originally Posted by Irving

It's difficult for many people to imagine, but one can certainly have a stake in the country without owning land.

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On one hand I agree that it's pointless to argue about something that won't change anyway. On the other hand, if only land owners were able to vote, I can pretty much guarantee that not only would I not own land today, but that "The American Dream" would have died in the cradle.

Why is voter registration so important for the Dems? It lets them know how many ballots they can stuff in the box. The actual voter isn't needed.

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Originally Posted by sroz

Excluding military, what positions in defense of the Union are you referencing? I have worked military, government and civilian contractor and agree there are slackers in all. The difference being there is a much higher probability that the civilian slacker will be dealt with. It is much more difficult in the government.

We all know there are hard workers and slackers within each group. It is not a an affront to gov. employees.

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There are many DoD positions that armed forces retirees transfer to. To fill a billet with a civilian contractor would mean that in two years (or however long the contract is for) they may lose the worker and have to re-train them and have them undergo all the education and TDYs required is a drain on the limited resources. My understanding is there are specific billets filled with government workers, so they don't need to re-invent the wheel every time a contract is up.

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Originally Posted by Irving

On one hand I agree that it's pointless to argue about something that won't change anyway. On the other hand, if only land owners were able to vote, I can pretty much guarantee that not only would I not own land today, but that "The American Dream" would have died in the cradle.

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Oh, you can? Because I can pretty much guarantee that the American Dream would NOT have died in the cradle. I can't speak to whether or not you'd own land today but lots of Americans would just as they do today. Why can I guarantee that? Because that is in fact how the country started and the initial restrictions on the power of the vote did not result in a self-powered restrictive autocracy. The American Dream extended and expanded throughout the country's history and only recently as the meaning of voting and civic duty have been diminished that the American Dream itself has diminished.