NFA Cleo rules change

Good example of Unintended Consequences.

Does anyone know what happens if this goes through and they make us resubmit? If the CLEO won’t sign off will the $200 be refunded and can you sell to someone in a free state and have the dealer holding the item handle the transfer (for a fee of course)?

If this law goes into effect, It should be a mandatory requirement for the Sheriff to have to sign off on the Form 4. They shouldn't be able to deny you. State law says it's legal for a law-abiding citizen to own NFA items. The Sheriff should be required to oblidge that law.

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Originally Posted by Squeeze

If this law goes into effect, It should be a mandatory requirement for the Sheriff to have to sign off on the Form 4. They shouldn't be able to deny you. State law says it's legal for a law-abiding citizen to own NFA items. The Sheriff should be required to oblidge that law.

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The initial submission that had these unintended consequences completely removed the sign off requirement in exchange for every trust member submitting prints. It seems that compromise means the same thing to the ATF as in the Senate.

I see many a lawsuit appearing after this change goes through about rights being denied due to no signature. Wait 5-10 years and the courts may well make it required.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Good example of Unintended Consequences.

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-oh so similar to what the open-carry clowns achieved in CA...

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Originally Posted by merl

The initial submission that had these unintended consequences completely removed the sign off requirement in exchange for every trust member submitting prints. It seems that compromise means the same thing to the ATF as in the Senate.

I see many a lawsuit appearing after this change goes through about rights being denied due to no signature. Wait 5-10 years and the courts may well make it required.

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I see what you're saying. 5-10 years is a long time to deal with that BS. I know my POS Sheriff won't sign off on ATF Forms so the trust is the only way I will be able to get into the NFA game.

Go search my other posts on this topic and US Silencer Association for a background on where this all came from.

EDIT: now that I am on a real computer I can search and put this here:

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Originally Posted by asmo

The fingerprints/BCG for Trust members has been an ongoing discussion between the ATF and the American Silencer Association, and it was first getting press coverage last year (we had a thread on it before the crash).

The tit-for-tat is that in exchange for not requiring LEO sign-off for NFA toys, that trust/corp members would be subject to background checks. The rationale was that people were making trusts/corps to get around LEO sign-off -- so take away the LEO sign-off requirement and there is 'no reason' to have a Trust anymore.

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Originally Posted by Squeeze

I see what you're saying. 5-10 years is a long time to deal with that BS. I know my POS Sheriff won't sign off on ATF Forms so the trust is the only way I will be able to get into the NFA game.

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No, you can always get an address in a friendly county and submit your paperwork from there. Later, instate moves don't require approval to keep/retain them at your main residence.

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Originally Posted by Circuits

No, you can always get an address in a friendly county and submit your paperwork from there. Later, instate moves don't require approval to keep/retain them at your main residence.

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Yeah, sure.........Not ! Most of us here do not have the resources to establish a trust, let alone establishing an address in an NFA friendly county.......

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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob

Yeah, sure.........Not ! Most of us here do not have the resources to establish a trust, let alone establishing an address in an NFA friendly county.......

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So you can't afford a mailboxes, etc PO Box, or have a buddy who'd let you get mail at his place? Go make more friends! :)