Get mad: Obama's EO closes "loophole" in registering firearms to trusts, bans import of some guns

[DeusExMachina]

Last I checked, I got background checks every time I took possession of my NFA trust items.

[Rabid]

Last I checked, I got background checks every time I took possession of my NFA trust items.

It is the fingerprints that worry so much for some reason .

I am interested to hear about the surplus ban, i can only find the AP article on it.

[DeusExMachina]

I don't know why a bunch of junk Garands from Korea are that important to Obama, but it has been a focal point for awhile.

[BPTactical]

I don't know why a bunch of junk Garands from Korea are that important to Obama, but it has been a focal point for awhile.

ANYTHING that undermines the 2cnd Amendment Rights of the American citizen is of prime importance to this administration.......

[asmo]

The fingerprints/BCG for Trust members has been an ongoing discussion between the ATF and the American Silencer Association, and it was first getting press coverage last year (we had a thread on it before the crash).

The tit-for-tat is that in exchange for not requiring LEO sign-off for NFA toys, that trust/corp members would be subject to background checks. The rationale was that people were making trusts/corps to get around LEO sign-off -- so take away the LEO sign-off requirement and there is 'no reason' to have a Trust anymore.

[hatidua]

I don't know why a bunch of junk Garands from Korea are that important

Do away with all the innocuous stuff that won't create undo outrage. Once all the off-the-radar guns are taken away, it whittles the pile down to the "evil" guns that public sentiment is easier to sway on after some future mass shooting. When you think about it, it's an absolutely brilliant move when you consider the long-term goals of those opposed to all guns.

[Great-Kazoo]

So does this end NFA trusts? Or were there actually felons that set up trusts so they could buy guns (not sure how that would exempt them from the laws against mere possession, not just purchase).

Not at all. You just need to include a fingerprint card (x2)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...e-gun-violence

The big question I have is what (if any) impact this will have on NFA items already in a trust. Do people have to get retroactive fingerprints and fill out 4473s?

No 4473, just add the card to your Form 1 of 4.

I'd tell them to look up my past NFA stamps for fingerprint card. Nothing changes on that form. UNLESS i go Yakuza and need to atone for something.

[CO Hugh]

The truth about Obama's new executive orders targeting guns


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...argeting-guns/

By John Lott
Published August 29, 2013
| FoxNews.com

It sure sounds scary. "Military weapons" being reimported back into the United States. Or people getting guns without background checks. But the reception being given President Obama's two new executive orders on guns largely relies on ignorance of how the current rules work.
The president's executive order banning the reimportation of &quotmilitary weapons&quot really only affects old M-1 Garand 30-06 rifles. These rifles have been used in the Civilian Marksmanship Program program and are mainly purchased by collectors. At one time they were &quotmilitary weapons,&quot but they were used in World War II and the Korean War.
No other US-made military rifles are being imported. And, more importantly, this semi-automatic rifle is functionally no different than any semi-automatic deer hunting. They fire the same bullets at the same rapidity and do the same damage as other deer hunting rifles.
The only difference is that these old Garands tend to be relatively heavy -- in the past 60 years, manufacturers have learned how to make lighter versions of these guns.
Despite the scary rhetoric, the White House is leaving out one important point: it isn't pointing to any cases where imported U.S.-made military weapons have been used in a crime. And the reason is obvious: there probably aren't any.
Regarding the second executive order, the only &quotcorporate&quot registration is for Class III (machine guns) weapons. Again, the Obama administration doesn't provide examples of people using a corporation to register handguns or semi-automatic rifles as a way to bypass criminal background checks.
More importantly, it fails to point to any cases where such guns have been used in crimes. Corporations are used (primarily) to obtain fully-automatic machine guns, as they are usually out of the price range of most citizens (running at least about $20,000 each).
Yes, when registered to a corporation any officer is allowed to posses the machine gun, but the point that the transfer occurs still requires a NICS check for the person actually picking up the gun.
What happens under current law is that if a gun is registered to a corporation, then anyone who is an officer in the corporation would be allowed to use the gun.
As with many actions these days by the Obama administration, the president doesn't have the authority to rewrite the current rules. Changing these rules for corporations requires congressional action.
Of course, all this is typical for our president, with Obama in the past making such completely false claims as “as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases take place without a background check.&quot
But how many times can the president cry wolf without losing all credibility?


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...#ixzz2dONMXiUe

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

But how many times can the president cry wolf without losing all credibility?

Many, many more by my math.
If he cries wolf, the press will search high and low insisting there is one out there. They'll parade dogs, fox, and coyotes out in front of the masses and call them wolves.
They'll accept as fact that there are wolves and that YOU are the dumb one for doubting this truth that all reasonable folks have long since accepted. And they'll demonize you for it.

[spqrzilla]

A lot of rhetoric for essentially meaningless "action". We were not getting the Korean surplus M1 Garands anyway.