Did Russia influence the election?

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Here are a few question for the OP and anyone else.

At what point after the candidates were selected, on the R & D side, did you know who you were voting for?



Do you also believe there were as many "undecideds" going in to election night as the media said there were?


Did you believe, based on the media's non-stop blabbering about the Super Delegates. HRC was going to run away with the electoral college?

I ask, since the questions are based off the 24/7 ass kissing of the media for HRC. Who i believe did more to try influencing the election that any russian bot.

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After the contestants were finalized I knew I was voting for Donald Trump, there is no way on God's green earth I was gong to vote for a communist criminal like HRC.

The media was wrong on every point they tried to make.

Aren't the super delegates a DNC creation, they don't have anything to do with the Electoral College. I certainly thought that HRC was going to win, I was very surprised and pleased the next morning to see that Donald had won.

The Russians had nothing on the US media for election influence.

I certainly thought that HRC was going to win, I was very surprised and pleased the next morning to see that Donald had won.

This is exactly where I was in thought when I went to bed that night.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Here are a few question for the OP and anyone else.

At what point after the candidates were selected, on the R & D side, did you know who you were voting for?



Do you also believe there were as many "undecideds" going in to election night as the media said there were?


Did you believe, based on the media's non-stop blabbering about the Super Delegates. HRC was going to run away with the electoral college?

I ask, since the questions are based off the 24/7 ass kissing of the media for HRC. Who i believe did more to try influencing the election that any russian bot.

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Once it was down to Trump and Hillary, I knew I wasn't voting for president at all. I voted for everything else but President. The news told me that if I voted anything but Hillary, then Trump would win. People on here and my family screamed at me (in person) and said that I just gave the presidency to Hillary.

I didn't give thought to who was undecided.

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Originally Posted by roberth

The Russians had nothing on the US media for election influence.

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I completely agree that the media was/is a huge factor to influence people. However, I question if it is more or less than the effects of social media. People have turned into such cowards nowadays and they tend to only stick to their own tribes and don't actually talk to people in person who they might not agree with politically. I think a LOT more Russian influence is in social media than people realize, as def90 was talking about.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Once it was down to Trump and Hillary, I knew I wasn't voting for president at all. I voted for everything else but President. The news told me that if I voted anything but Hillary, then Trump would win. People on here and my family screamed at me (in person) and said that I just gave the presidency to Hillary.

I didn't give thought to who was undecided.


don't actually talk to people in person who they might not agree with politically. I think a LOT more Russian influence is in social media than people realize, as def90 was talking about.

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I've tried having conversations with those who have a different political opinion then i do. Some will listen, politely, then decied or already made up their mind. I'm a nazi, racist who hates XXXX and X.

Usually that happens after i explain to them, after asked why i don't accept Muslims. That Islam / Muslims consider women 2nd class citizens, homosexuality only merits a death penalty. Oh they also (devout ones) have no issue imprisoning you for consuming alcohol, like that beer> your drinking.

Pointing out a religion and people they are so accepting of, are in direct conflict with everything they believe. Usually sets them off, big time.
Throw in the urban areas with the largest number of lower income "People of Color" are located in decades old democratic areas. Which BTW, also have a higher incarceration rate for minorities. [panic]

Tribalism is certainly not restricted to any one party. The point is that when people don't talk to each other in person where usually things remain polite enough to at least have a discussion, they go back to their online echo chambers where the outside influence runs wide and deep.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Tribalism is certainly not restricted to any one party. The point is that when people don't talk to each other in person where usually things remain polite enough to at least have a discussion, they go back to their online echo chambers where the outside influence runs wide and deep.

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What democratic or leftist web sites are you accepted at, without judgement?

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Originally Posted by Irving

Tribalism is certainly not restricted to any one party. The point is that when people don't talk to each other in person where usually things remain polite enough to at least have a discussion, they go back to their online echo chambers where the outside influence runs wide and deep.

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I don't think this is wholly true. I have my opinions based on my interpretations. I do have the ability to listen and comprehend differently minded ideals, however, that doesn't necessarily mean that I retreat to like minded rhetoric in a safety zone of sorts. I can listen to someone's opinion without telling them to kiss my ass, and I don't need to get it affirmed elsewhere either. If that covers my probably less than super articulate fashion that it could have been articulated.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

What democratic or leftist web sites are you accepted at, without judgement?

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I used to post on Runner's World many years ago, until I got banned. It was pretty much exactly the same as here, but on the opposite side of the aisle. There was a cool old hippy over there who is basically conservative by today's standards (not a socialist). Also, I interact with a variety of people in person and generally don't limit what I listen to as far as media too much. When people go tribal, they all sound and act the same, just on whatever side. When I first got into politics and decided I was more conservative than most and was vocal about it, I was on another local board (that many other people on here came from) and it was the same thing.

I guess I don't understand comparing many people at one location, to many people at another one....and seemingly expecting a difference somehow.

imo the vast majority of people kind of suck in some way or another, it seems like looking for the smallest percentage of thoughtful mix that you desire. From what I'm seeing, you're not going to find that aspect plentiful from people as a collective anywhere. I bet you can find some that will try to convince you ya can.

Just trying to understand ya, brother.

It looks like we've gotten off track. I'm trying to highlight that people bolster their beliefs and never challenge them by existing in online echo chambers. That serves to drive a further wedge between people.
Kazoo was asking what liberal sites I'm on without judgement, which is none. But I don't think that I exist here without judgement either, so it's a moot point there.

Me talking about everyone being the same is a left over of years of reading discussions of why X is better than Y because Z (and both X and Y cite Z as their reasons). I guess no one really asked that in this conversation and I've fallen into my own narrative. Really, I just thought that the extend and attention given to the US by another country is fascinating and I wanted other people to check out the same info and get their take. I thought Rogan had an excellent point when he mentions that all most people in the US know about Russia is Putin = bad and vodka and hot Russian brides (today) and women with mustaches (1980's). Where as you have people in Russian who understand our culture well enough to sometimes seamlessly integrate (online at least) and know exactly which social buttons to push. That's a lot of attention coming our way.