2A- and 10A-friendly auto shops in C Springs?

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Originally Posted by Flatline

How about you go ahead and read what I actually said. I did not accuse him of violating the first amendment nor did I say to not boycott a business based on how employees have exercised their first amendment rights. I am simply saying that doing business based on how employees use their first amendment rights does not support of the first amendment.

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Mmmm ... no. You're making the same mistake so many liberals do, assuming that I have to support YOUR opinion to be in favor of free speech. Everyone has the same freedom to say what they want, put what they want on their car (subject limitations already espoused by the SCOTUS like not shouting "Fire" in a movie theater when there isn't one). They do NOT have the right to mandate I pay for their speech. I maintain the Obama administration has proven its hostility to the 2d and 10th Amendments repeatedly so display of support for said administration is prima facie evidence the shop is NOT 2A- and 10A-friendly.

It sounds to me like you'd appreciate if they exercise their 1A right, that way you'll know what shop to avoid... saves the trouble of interviewing the management and employees.

Infringing on it would be removing the stickers with a blowtorch because it offends you.

See the difference? It's a bit more than a subtle one...

you might guess my shop is 2A friendly from the reloading presses, boxes of ammo, and gun parts on the workbenches, but maybe I should resort to bumper stickers...

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

Mmmm ... no. You're making the same mistake so many liberals do, assuming that I have to support YOUR opinion to be in favor of free speech. Everyone has the same freedom to say what they want, put what they want on their car (subject limitations already espoused by the SCOTUS like not shouting "Fire" in a movie theater when there isn't one). They do NOT have the right to mandate I pay for their speech. I maintain the Obama administration has proven its hostility to the 2d and 10th Amendments repeatedly so display of support for said administration is prima facie evidence the shop is NOT 2A- and 10A-friendly.

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I'm not talking about the owner. YOU stated that if the EMPLOYEES had an obama sticker that you wouldn't go there. Since you can't fire someone for voting or supporting obama, then the owner would have had to told his employees that they cannot put obama stickers on their cars that they park at work. THAT would be the infringement of the the first amendment that you would want. (it would not be illegal for a employer to tell employees not to put political stickers on their cars if they are going to park them on company property)

The only think you are maintaining is a lack of reading comprehension or an IQ under 70 since this is the second time I've explained this to you, but somehow you still think that I'm telling you where to shop rather than explain why your opinion does not support the first amendment.

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

Infringing on it would be removing the stickers with a blowtorch because it offends you.

See the difference? It's a bit more than a subtle one...

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Infringing on someones rights and not supporting them is not the same thing.

See the difference? It's a bit more than a subtle one...

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Originally Posted by Flatline

Since you can't fire someone for voting or supporting obama, then the owner would have had to told his employees that they cannot put obama stickers on their cars that they park at work. THAT would be the infringement of the the first amendment that you would want. (it would not be illegal for a employer to tell employees not to put political stickers on their cars if they are going to park them on company property).

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Actually I CAN fire someone for voting for Obama, or being a Liberal, or pretty much anything I want to. Right to work state....

Also I CAN also prohibit political messages etc. on MY PROPERTY, so I could in fact require someone to not bring an Obama sticker on my property, on a car or not.

Just curious but are YOU a Liberal?

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Now you got me started, I just cant stop-

I no longer do businesses with two companies that refused to clarify their position in the last election. I changed salesmen at my last vendor because they one they gave me was a liberal chickenshit motherfucker with anti-gun, tax the wealthy, and other assorted BS ready to spew at a moments notice. Fortunately his manager was smarter than he was, and assigned me a salesperson interested in making money.

I have no reason, motivation, or REQUIREMENT to do business with anyone, for any damned reason. If I dont LIKE YOU, for no other reason than your face disagrees with me, I may not do business with you and that is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT. So STFU and take your pretentious crap somewhere else. I CAN be racist if I want to be, I dont HAVE to be equal opportunity anything. I DONT HAVE to employee anyone I dont want to. Now, I HAVE employeed gays, and Mexican/black folk/coloured/African American or whatever you want to call them, and I likely will again. BUT I DONT HAVE TO.
Dumbass liberal sonsofbitches have nothing better to do than try and tell everyone what THEY HAVE TO DO. I dont. They are the party of NO and YOU WILL OBEY, while us Conservatives dont give a fuck what you do, just dont bother me while you do it.

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Actually I CAN fire someone for voting for Obama, or being a Liberal, or pretty much anything I want to. Right to work state....

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Not quite, who you vote for is not public so you would be firing someone for telling you that they voted for obama. If they refused to tell you and you fired them then you would get sued out of your mind and loose your business.

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Also I CAN also prohibit political messages etc. on MY PROPERTY, so I could in fact require someone to not bring an Obama sticker on my property, on a car or not.

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Its almost like that is exactly what I said! Where did I say that you couldn't?

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Just curious but are YOU a Liberal?

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Why do you care what I am? Did I blindly vote for romney and follow the republican party's opinion on every social opinion? What do you think?

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

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Now you got me started, I just cant stop-

I no longer do businesses with two companies that refused to clarify their position in the last election. I changed salesmen at my last vendor because they one they gave me was a liberal chickenshit motherfucker with anti-gun, tax the wealthy, and other assorted BS ready to spew at a moments notice. Fortunately his manager was smarter than he was, and assigned me a salesperson interested in making money.

I have no reason, motivation, or REQUIREMENT to do business with anyone, for any damned reason. If I dont LIKE YOU, for no other reason than your face disagrees with me, I may not do business with you and that is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT. So STFU and take your pretentious crap somewhere else. I CAN be racist if I want to be, I dont HAVE to be equal opportunity anything. I DONT HAVE to employee anyone I dont want to. Now, I HAVE employeed gays, and Mexican/black folk/coloured/African American or whatever you want to call them, and I likely will again. BUT I DONT HAVE TO.
Dumbass liberal sonsofbitches have nothing better to do than try and tell everyone what THEY HAVE TO DO. I dont. They are the party of NO and YOU WILL OBEY, while us Conservatives dont give a fuck what you do, just dont bother me while you do it.

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God gave you the right with who you do business with? Where was that in the bible? It must have been next to where Jesus said to cloth the naked and feed the hungry, that liberal that he was trying to help everyone. What a fool I was to think that right was given by the government.

It's a good thing that your such a good christian and ethical man being willing to hiring those who are less than you, those sinners. I'm sure that that will get you through the golden gates.

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

They are the party of NO and YOU WILL OBEY, while us Conservatives dont give a fuck what you do, just dont bother me while you do it.

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So you supported the legalization of marijuana, gay marriage, and the election of the president by majority?
Well the last one probably bothers you, but fuck the majority, am i right?

Well, yanno, sinse you brought it up-

I dont care who marries who and never have, just like every other Republican I have talked to. We just dont want to PAY FOR IT.

I also dont give a Rats ass about you smoking pot, again, I dont want to pay for it and I dont want to have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

Also, GOD gave me the FREEDOM OF CHOICE, which oddly includes every choice I make, including whom I hire and fire, who I do business with, and pretty much everything else I do that does not break the Ten Commandments. Hence it is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT, and no amount of denial by you, the Liberal press/media/etc.will change that. I do not HAVE to be a good person, I CHOOSE to be one. What did you choose to be?

You might want to at least Google and read a bit before you make statements based on someone elses rhetoric.

Also, YOU are a fool to believe that any RIGHTS are given to you by a Government. Sad, truly sad, way of thinking.

Wow, and I almost didn't read this thread...

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Well, yanno, sinse you brought it up-

I dont care who marries who and never have, just like every other Republican I have talked to. We just dont want to PAY FOR IT.

I also dont give a Rats ass about you smoking pot, again, I dont want to pay for it and I dont want to have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

Also, GOD gave me the FREEDOM OF CHOICE, which oddly includes every choice I make, including whom I hire and fire, who I do business with, and pretty much everything else I do that does not break the Ten Commandments. Hence it is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT, and no amount of denial by you, the Liberal press/media/etc.will change that. I do not HAVE to be a good person, I CHOOSE to be one. What did you choose to be?

You might want to at least Google and read a bit before you make statements based on someone elses rhetoric.

Also, YOU are a fool to believe that any RIGHTS are given to you by a Government. Sad, truly sad, way of thinking.

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How would you be paying for anything with gay marriage that you wouldn't have for straight marriage?

You do realize that there is more to being a good christian that the ten commandments right? Jesus feed the hungry, clothed the naked, healed the sick, and sheltered the poor. As the son of God Jesus could have been anything during his coming but he choose to be poor. He was poor but he helped everyone. He was hated but he loved everyone. He was trespassed on but forgave every one.

Have you done these things? Do you love the beggars on the street or the drug dealers on the corner? Have you forgiven the sins of the aurora or newtown shooter?

Do you think that the republican party is the party of God?

Wow, now this is derailed into a discussion about gay marriage? unless it's in reference to 10A, I see this as a typical left-wing distraction technique- strike 1

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Originally Posted by Flatline

The only think you are maintaining is a lack of reading comprehension or an IQ under 70 since this is the second time I've explained this to you, but somehow you still think that I'm telling you where to shop rather than explain why your opinion does not support the first amendment.

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Losing an argument, so you resort to namecalling (IQ of 70 is just above moron in the definition)- strike 2

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Originally Posted by Flatline

Infringing on someones rights and not supporting them is not the same thing.

See the difference? It's a bit more than a subtle one...

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Either you're re-stating what I said, or you're just too ambiguous in your answer for me to determine...
are you implying that I must support the CONTENT of the speech?
I can't imagine that's what you mean, because that would be a clear violation of my civil rights...

if you mean do I not support them putting bumper stickers on their car, advertising their political views for all to see?
The first part of my post (which you failed to quote, did you read it?) showed that I support their right, it helps all to know who they're dealing with

But you think that I should support them, no matter what their views are? so I should give donations to planned parenthood, even though I disagree with the indiscriminate killing of unborn children?

It is fully part of everyone's right to disagree with free speech- the CONTENT, not the ACT.
so your telling me that I'm not supporting their 1A rights because I don't support them with my choices of action (spending my money) is pushing your views upon me, and a violation of my rights- strike 3

I'm ready to push the "ignore" button on you, Flatline... do you think that a violation of your 1A rights?