I think it just looks like its pointed at the drivers face, more likely the gun is pointed towards the back seat.
Could be wrong though...
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I think it just looks like its pointed at the drivers face, more likely the gun is pointed towards the back seat.
Could be wrong though...
I am not an expert in photography, but here are my observations:
The photographer is not at a right angle to the car. As you can see the reflection of the stripe of the officer’s pants several inches in front of him, the A pillar on the passenger side, the rear window “frames” not lining up and can easily see the back of head rest on the passenger side seat.
The officer doesn’t look like he is touching the driver’s side mirror, so he is a minimum of 8-12 inches away from the car possibly more .
Looking at the way the cops body is bladed, hips perpendicular to the car, rifle in the shoulder pocket, his left arm against his body and his left forearm arm parallel to or pointing away from the car door. This would leave the muzzle over and in front of his left foot about 18-24 inches.
If you twist the picture in your mind until the window frames match up I think you will see the gun is behind the driver’s shoulder and pointing towards the back seat in front of the rear tires.
After looking again it doesn’t look as bad as the quick glance does.
It is like pool, all about the angles.
Just my .02
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Originally Posted by Kmanbay
Sure bro. Cool story bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
I do appreciate all of our nations heroes.
Like my buddy, a 10+ year officer for DPD says - if you can't handle the criticism and judgement that come with being a cop, you should probably be a firefighter.
Its becoming a police state very quickly. Also after the Christopher Dorner incident we all know they will shoot first and ask questions later.
I'm still trying to figure out how you haven't seen LE uniforms with US flags on them. San Diego County for one has a colored US flag on the shoulder. I've yet to see a single police uniform with their respective state's flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl
Anywho, I tend to agree with the sentiment that everyone is a critic. I have a buddy who constantly posts all the bad stories about cops on Facebook- when he knows what I'm training to do with my life- yet he still claims he's not a cop basher... but he still posts the stories. Wouldn't it be better if he actually tried to find the good that LE does every day? Oh wait, the MSM doesn't report on the daily good that LE does, they like to focus on the bad.
substantial depth of field prior to POF + typical journalist shot (they tend to shoot wide open rather than stopping down at all) = I don't think the back seat had much to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kmanbay
Yeah when you look at the incidents that whole deal was scary as all get out..Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
I wonder how much the ladies in the truck got paid ?
quick research … 4.2 mil…. ( 2.1 each) plus 40K for a new truck.
dunno if that woulda been enough for me.
Cops protect me while i sleep ?Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
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Do you actually believe that? Really? Okayyyyyyyyyyyyy
Y'all need to stop bitc---- the cops were just following orders and trying to do their job. but seriously, hitlers ss was just following orders too... brokenscout is right.
I think the issue is that we see an ever increasing 'militaristic' equipping of our local law enforcement units. There seems to be a trend over the past 20 years or so, to blur the line between the military and local law enforcement. Not just through equipment but also training, tactics and attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
The military attitude is much less "innocent until proven guilty" than our "civilian" laws portend.
While i believe that our local law enforcement agencies has just cause to up-gear, up-train and up-tactic due to the increasing capabilities of threats, I also believe that there is a very real 'Orwellian' threat facing the citizenry of the U.S.
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Originally Posted by losttrail
Oh yeah, the boogieman terrorists that will get us... As Jmaes Madison new long before we did...
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
There is now a domestic threat that has been created which is anyone who does not bow to the agenda of the current administration.
None of us were there, facing the threats that officer was that day, or everyday. 1 fed agent and 3 local PD w ere injured just prior to that. None of the critics here face the dangers that officer does every single day, the threats against him and his family, and against his brothers. I applaud him for making the hard decision to do what was necessary, safe (finger is clear of the trigger), and legally right, to ensure he made it home at the end of the day. Most of the critics here have never made that decision nor have the balls/ability/mindset necessary to do that. Are local cops becoming more militaristic? Of course! Look at the current threats they face today. If you want to flap your gums about their tactics then take it up with their chiefs, not the guy on the street everyday just trying to provide for his family. Most of you who talk the most shit have done the least...
I know it is not clear in the picture but none of what you posted allows him to put another person's life in danger by pointing a loaded weapon at them. His life is no more important than the passenger of the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
Police in Colorado are protected by law, so they aren't charged with "menacing with a deadly weapon". Really rich people are not so concerned with with roadblocks as they take helicopters over that shit. Oh wait, is that a drone coming for us? LMAO
Exactly how are the threats of today different than the past?
Communication is better so we now know about them? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
I protect myself. Pretty much The only interactions I've had with cops involved me giving them money. Be it for tickets, a concealed carry permit or donations for their group/cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
But... "it's for your own protection"
Look we are now much safer because the CIA etc. is using Amazon.com to provide intelligence data management...now we can shop and kill terrorists at the same time!
http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/07/ama...and-nsa-cloud/
Looks like a "dick" don't it?Attachment 35685
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Who are the threats that you mention? According to government entities these are currently the biggest threats to the USA.
A whole list of people who:
Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers, believe in civil liberties) Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Seconed After" are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views and practices such as Christianity concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
You left out the military veterans. By the way,if you are a military veteran enrolled in the VA healthcare program, you are EXEMPT from Obamacare!
But, your rates will rise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
None of us were there. So STFUQuote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
What he did was necessary. So STFU
Job #1 Make it home at th end of the day. That is all that matters. So STFU
You don't understand, because they rest of you are pussies and or idiots. So STFU
Its not his fault for sticking a rifle in someones face, its his boss. He is blameless. So STFU
Hes just like you trying to put food on the table. So STFU
Bravo!
Oh and dont forget, they, the cops, protect you while you are sleeping!
[blah-blah]
"Why are you pointing a rifle at my face?"
"I'M PROTECTING YOU MOTHER FUCKER!"
HIGH
<----POLICE
<----EVERYONE ELSE
LOW
"Respect my Authoritah!" -Eric Cartman
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In before the lock.
I feel the need to request the "brakes be pumped" on this. Stop comparing modern American law enforcement and "just doing their job" to the SS or other Nazi Germany war criminals "just doing their job." Two very different things- US LEOs are much more accountable, have US/Constitutional law to abide by, and have public opinion and department policy to abide by. Our cops are not out rounding up minorities for systematic slaughter- so please, refrain from comparing the "just doing their job" to the Nazis. It's disingenuous and counter productive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavieD55
Except if the nazis didn't do what they were told, they were probably executed. So they had even more of a reason to follow ridiculous orders then LEO's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
The LEO could walk away. The Nazi couldn't.
Everyone just does what they're told, but some have better reason to do it than others. ETA - "better" probably isn't the word for it. Nazis didn't have a better reason for following orders, they had a scarier reason.
I am glad that you have an understanding of the differences between what is wrong and what is right. Many don't give a shit about it and ignore it. The Constitution reigns supreme regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Many park rangers were only "following orders" when they closed the national monuments and parks.
I see in this picture a guy who is in fact getting a rifle pointed at him. He also only has one hand on the steering wheel the other isn't in plain view. Given that fact I will go with the police on that matter.
As for all of the other posturing...
They are people doing a job. I defend my house at night, and don't expect anyone else to save me. We don't know what is going on, but obviously there is a situation.
If the only reason you can give someone for doing something is "I'm just doing my job", then you may want to rethink why you're doing that job.
Civilian- "Why are you pointing that rifle at my face?!"
Officer-"I'm just doing my job, sir"
Compared to:
Civilian-"Why are you pointing that rifle at my face?"
Officer-"Sir, there's a dangerous criminal on the loose and we have to take all necessary precautions. We don't know if he's hiding in your car and has you at gun point so we have to act as if he's in every car. We'll move swiftly so you can be on your way."
Scenario 2 explains why he's doing what he's doing and can show reason to why he's doing it. If the only answer you can give is "Im just doing my job" then you're probably being a chode.
The "authorities" protect their own, no matter what they do! Look for example at Joshua Carrier, a Colorado Springs city police officer convicted of being a child molester. He was sentenced to prison, but the Colorado Department of Corrections "inmate locator" shows "no record found". Cops get special treatment, lets face it.
http://gazette.com/joshua-carrier-se.../article/15134
http://www.doc.state.co.us/oss/
I'm not bashing LEO's but their bosses i.e. the DA's, governors, president etc. are some real scumbags!
Detroit, 1967
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps0751c14d.jpg
As our military evolves, our police do also.
I would like to point out nothing has changed. IE: the past rounding of US citizens and their subsequent placement into internment camps, the deployment of the National Guard to quell rioting college kids, etc. Oh, I forgot a certain NWA song in 88' that started a shit-storm "fuck tha police". That had nothing to do with what was felt as a oppressive police force then either, right?
The only difference between now and then is the internet.
Right, but what kind of an order does a park ranger receive? I mean if it's ridiculous, like "just make things difficult for people", why follow it? Why say you're just doing your job?Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
The fact that park rangers just do what they're told, even if what they've been told is to completely piss off the citizens that pay their salaries, is about as close to proof as we can get that cops would do the same thing.
It's not life or death for them, just a paycheck, and they'd still do it. Some would walk away at various points when it's gone too far, but not many.
Thank you for being the prime example of my point. You have no idea what that officer is doing and yet you want to criticize him, ignorantly, for doing what he must. Ignorance must truly be bliss...Quote:
Originally Posted by lowbeyond
Kalifonya also has chronic problems with letting all kinds of criminals out of the prison system.
The irony is; I don't think you got his...Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw