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05-02-2014, 06:39
stodg73

C & S Outdoors in Trinidad will do private party transfers for a small fee.
05-02-2014, 07:23
BlasterBob

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Originally Posted by stodg73

C & S Outdoors in Trinidad will do private party transfers for a small fee.

That sounds great........How small?
05-02-2014, 07:59
stodg73

Not sure, but between $20 and $50.
05-02-2014, 08:41
Jer

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Originally Posted by def90

Takes them more than 3 minutes.. Private party transfers are a money losing proposition for most shops so why do it?

Most every other businesses actually PAYS to get customers in the door. Arrogant gun shops actually get paid to get customers in the door and complain about it? Yeah, I'll take my business elsewhere you can't help me out. I've had others that do NFA refuse to take my transfers because the item I'm buying is priced less than they sell it for and they refuse to price match or even come close. I'll take my business elsewhere. It amazes me how gun shops make money in spite of the worst customer service of any other business in existence. You want to make money beyond your wildest dreams? Open a gun shop, have a reasonable inventory and then employ people for their customer service ability and not their ability to tell racist or homophobic joke or how they voted in the last election. You'll have to hire another full-time person just to count the money.
05-02-2014, 08:47
def90

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Originally Posted by Jer

Most every other businesses actually PAYS to get customers in the door. Arrogant gun shops actually get paid to get customers in the door and complain about it? Yeah, I'll take my business elsewhere you can't help me out. I've had others that do NFA refuse to take my transfers because the item I'm buying is priced less than they sell it for and they refuse to price match or even come close. I'll take my business elsewhere. It amazes me how gun shops make money in spite of the worst customer service of any other business in existence. You want to make money beyond your wildest dreams? Open a gun shop, have a reasonable inventory and then employ people for their customer service ability and not their ability to tell racist or homophobic joke or how they voted in the last election. You'll have to hire another full-time person just to count the money.

Why do I have a feeling that you have never owned or operated a small business?
05-02-2014, 08:58
Jer

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Originally Posted by def90

Why do I have a feeling that you have never owned or operated a small business?

You would be VERY wrong. Nice try though. I guess you've run several multi-million dollar businesses w/o an advertising budget?
05-02-2014, 10:25
ray1970

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Originally Posted by Jer

It amazes me how gun shops make money in spite of the worst customer service of any other business in existence.

You don't eat much fast food, do you?

[Coffee]
05-02-2014, 10:26
Jer

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Originally Posted by trot

Lets whip it out and start measuring wankers.

But no, you wouldn't "hire a full-time person just to count the money".

Firearm sales have probably the worst profitability of any business.

You've got to be around for many many years to make it even work. Niches can make good.
But good CS isn't the whole picture.

Guys like savings $ more than they do talking. Where jewelry has a markup of 80%, guns you're lucky if you truly even have 8%.

It's called hyperbole. I wasn't serious about needing to hire a full-time employee to count the money but I was making a point that if someone could merge the simple idea of customer service with the business of selling firearms and firearms accessories that seems to be profitable despite the employees they couldn't help but be successful. I guess I took this website for smarter people than that.
05-02-2014, 10:29
Jer

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Originally Posted by ray1970

You don't eat much fast food, do you?

[Coffee]

I have. Recently. And had poor experiences. They still don't turn customers away because they don't 'make enough money' on whatever the loss leader is that they waste billions advertising. We wonder why the average citizen doesn't get into firearms.... have you seen our ambassadors to someone trying to learn more about firearms? It's no mystery and drives me nuts. Too many 'gun people' behind the counters.
05-02-2014, 13:49
MrPrena

Off topic, but regarding bad service and fast food.

One of the reason I go to fast food is the damn service is better than a fu*kin restaurants which sells north of $40 per dish. Seems like those stupid @ss restaurants are privately owned. I rarely get a bad services at a corporate/franchisee owned restaurants. Again, it is always fu*king privately owned restaurants.

I recently told one of the owner at a sushi place that "I would rather eat a 99cent mcdouble and have a average service, than eat a good food with shitty service you provided tonight."
I also went to one of the Korean BBQ place 2 weeks ago in Aurora next to M-mart. Damn, they have a shitty service.

It is truly sad that I get a far better service at Arby's/Wendy's employees who make minimum wage than a decent restaurant waiter/waitress who makes north of $70k.
Oh yeah, I get a better freaking service at Gander or even Sportsman's than some average privately owned restaurants.
05-02-2014, 15:14
BlasterBob

While we are on the subject of crappy service, I have to condense my story about treatment in SOME gun shops. Way back in the mid 50's, because of my love of firearms, I joined the Army to get the training to be a Small Arms Repairman. I did attend the Small Arms Repair school at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland and really enjoyed the course they provided. I did that with the thought of eventually becoming a REAL gunsmith in civilian life. The civilian thing never did materialize. Now, after seeing so damn many gunsmiths with their prima donna attitudes, when talking with potential customers, I feel fortunate that I didn't pursue that vocation because I might have turned out the same way. There are a lot of really nice/friendly gunsmiths out here however the small number of them who are condescending and look down on us folks who have only a little more than basic knowledge of firearms really stand out. Again, most of the gunsmiths I have dealt with were really regular guys and very friendly but then there are those few a--holes really stand out. OK, flame away, I have my fire retardant suit handy.
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05-02-2014, 15:41
Tim K

I have a guy in Woodland Park. Phil at Rocky Mountain Arms. (719)659-1197.
05-02-2014, 16:22
sroz

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Originally Posted by trot

Lets whip it out and start measuring wankers.

But no, you wouldn't "hire a full-time person just to count the money".

Firearm sales have probably the worst profitability of any business.

You've got to be around for many many years to make it even work. Niches can make good.
But good CS isn't the whole picture.

Guys like savings $ more than they do talking. Where jewelry has a markup of 80%, guns you're lucky if you truly even have 8%.

Yep. Thanks for bringing reality back in, although I believe the markups are more like 15-20% on firearms. A bit higher in some cases. Ammo markups are a more.
05-02-2014, 18:57
hurley842002

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

Off topic, but regarding bad service and fast food.

One of the reason I go to fast food is the damn service is better than a fu*kin restaurants which sells north of $40 per dish. Seems like those stupid @ss restaurants are privately owned. I rarely get a bad services at a corporate/franchisee owned restaurants. Again, it is always fu*king privately owned restaurants.

I recently told one of the owner at a sushi place that "I would rather eat a 99cent mcdouble and have a average service, than eat a good food with shitty service you provided tonight."
I also went to one of the Korean BBQ place 2 weeks ago in Aurora next to M-mart. Damn, they have a shitty service.

It is truly sad that I get a far better service at Arby's/Wendy's employees who make minimum wage than a decent restaurant waiter/waitress who makes north of $70k.
Oh yeah, I get a better freaking service at Gander or even Sportsman's than some average privately owned restaurants.

You know, I hadn't noticed the great customer service at fast food restaurants, because I don't eat much fast food, but now that you mention it, the last three FF experiences I've had were excellent. Arby's, Carl's Jr, and McDonald's, all the employees were extremely friendly, and acted as tho they were truly happy to be there. Maybe hoping for that $15 an hour minimum wage?
05-02-2014, 22:36
TAR31

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Originally Posted by Jim B

Voelker Research, both on Academy.

I did quiet a few transfers through them, last one cost $40 for one lower, will not use them anymore. They used to have reasonable prices. Still good people to deal with but there is cheaper closer now.
05-02-2014, 22:40
Jer

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Originally Posted by trot

Of course. My point is, CS doesn't have as much of an effect in firearms as it does in, say, a restaurant or a hardware store.

Case in point: One of the busiest, if not the busiest firearm stores in junction is a hole in the wall pawn shop with absolutely horrible customer service. But it is cheap. Guys literally wait, standing, on average for 1 - 1 1/2 hours JUST to get the opportunity to talk to the owner to buy something. Small shop, but a lot of crap in the back, dirty, packed with sweaty bastards. I do believe in Customer Service. But if you had the sexiest, most friendly knowledgeable women operating a gunstore, clean, perfect, and MSRP style prices, guess what- you will have to shutter your doors and close down when competing with the former business.

Guys in the firearm world don't care as much for chitty chat and brown nosing or reach arounds. They really just want the best price. They'll wait a long ass time to get the best price. Whereas, an average woman in a clothing store, you can probably get awesome sales just with VERBAL skills, marked up three the price of online retailers. That type of customer wants a reach around..... and they want it NOW. That type does exist in the firearm world too, but they are a fraction.

ETA:
I've seen crazy bastards drive all around town, put easily 60 miles on a vehicle, checking every shop before coming back to save, what, $6.00? They probably burned 3 hours and at least $10 in gas to do that. Some guys are freaking crazy.

While I agree that some 'gun people' don't care about CS most do and there's also new those who aren't yet 'gun people' and CS like most gun shops offer is a HUGE turnoff to new people interested in learning more.
05-03-2014, 08:56
ray1970

Private Party FFL Transfer

Gun owners, in general, are cheap bastards. Of all the hobbies I have and have had over the years, I've run into more people in the firearms hobby who's main concern is saving a few bucks. Don't get me wrong, I'm not disrespecting anyone for being frugal or trying to save a buck or two. Hell, I'm not made of money myself. I just find it odd that a certain degree of "cheapness" seems to be more prevalent in this hobby than most others.
05-03-2014, 08:59
ray1970

The point I was making with my post was that customer service in the firearms industry isn't as important as pricing. You can have crappy CS an if you sell an item cheaper than the next guy people are going to buy it.
05-03-2014, 09:47
sroz

Reminds me of an interaction with a customer when I was helping out one of the vendors at Tanner a few months ago. He had New Springfield XDs .45's at $499. Customer comes up, says it's the best price at the show and asks if we can come down on price. I explain it's already an excellent price. Best at show in his own words. Explain the vendor is making very little profit at that price. He responds with "Sportsman's up the road has them on sale for $520". After picking myself off the floor I suggest he may want a math refresher as $20 more plus a higher tax rate plus cost of gas did not all equal a better deal. When he still didn't get it, I asked why he wasn't already on his way to Sportsman's. He agreed and left to purchase his new XDs at a cost of $20+ more. Another satisfied customer.
I know my customer service skills sucked, but all XDs' were gone by the end of the show.
05-03-2014, 12:58
colorider

I must be going to the wrong fast food places. Every one I visit is staffed with fucking idiots.
05-03-2014, 13:11
ray1970

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Originally Posted by colorider

I must be going to the wrong fast food places. Every one I visit is staffed with fucking idiots.

You and I must go to the same places. I guess it's hard to get good help for minimum wage.
05-03-2014, 13:42
Jer

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Originally Posted by ray1970

The point I was making with my post was that customer service in the firearms industry isn't as important as pricing. You can have crappy CS an if you sell an item cheaper than the next guy people are going to buy it.

To follow up your point and bring it back to my point... the two aren't mutually exclusive. There's no reason we should have to choose.
05-03-2014, 13:53
10mm-man

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Originally Posted by ray1970

You and I must go to the same places. I guess it's hard to get good help for minimum wage.

Don't worry, that is going to change! Obama is going to by-pass Congress, and raise the min wage. We will all get better service, and more qualified help because of it, I am sure.
05-03-2014, 14:04
Jer

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

Don't worry, that is going to change! Obama is going to by-pass Congress, and raise the min wage. We will all get better service, and more qualified help because of it, I am sure.

With all the unemployed good workers looking for work there is ZERO excuse for poor employees these days other than poor management.
05-03-2014, 14:16
MrPrena

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Originally Posted by hurley842002

You know, I hadn't noticed the great customer service at fast food restaurants, because I don't eat much fast food, but now that you mention it, the last three FF experiences I've had were excellent. Arby's, Carl's Jr, and McDonald's, all the employees were extremely friendly, and acted as tho they were truly happy to be there. Maybe hoping for that $15 an hour minimum wage?

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Originally Posted by ray1970

You and I must go to the same places. I guess it's hard to get good help for minimum wage.

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Originally Posted by colorider

I must be going to the wrong fast food places. Every one I visit is staffed with fucking idiots.

Those 3 stores are top notch. I like Wendy's service as well.
I can't stand Jack-in-the-Box's service. Maybe trying to avoid rush quick lunch hour can contribute to good service for me.

Going back to the topic.
I am one of those guys who doesn't complain a lot about gun store service. I even had a great service experience at Dave's and even Cal's during 90s.
I do admit that there is one store that I avoid. 3 consecutive bad service will do that. Maybe they have a fair price on firearms. I don't have to have that specific firearm that day. Thanks to the competitiveness in this industry, I can avoid that specific place and just transfer it to my FFL from GB.
05-26-2014, 16:10
bside303

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Free Private Party transfer and 10.00 BGC @ Bass Pro Shop

Attachment 45299

Just saw this sign today. The worker said no charge for the transfer and 10 for the background check.
ONLY mon-fri 10am-1pm
not bad.
05-26-2014, 16:53
MrPrena

Huge Props for those major retailers providing those service @$10.
It is a great way to bring some foot traffic in to their store.

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Originally Posted by bside303

Attachment 45299

Just saw this sign today. The worker said no charge for the transfer and 10 for the background check.
ONLY mon-fri 10am-1pm
not bad.
05-26-2014, 17:24
clublights

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Originally Posted by bside303

Attachment 45299

Just saw this sign today. The worker said no charge for the transfer and 10 for the background check.
ONLY mon-fri 10am-1pm
not bad.

because no one works mon-friday between 10am and 1pm ...... maybe during lunch I guess...
05-26-2014, 18:10
SideShow Bob

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Originally Posted by clublights

because no one works mon-friday between 10am and 1pm ...... maybe during lunch I guess...

This, how generous of them to offer N/C Private Party transfers only during this time frame to make it convieniant to the minimum wage earning working folks.
05-26-2014, 19:40
Hound

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

This is one place where the FFL's fell flat on their face when it came to the debates regarding the legislations.
If there was ever a time to pull together that was it, and they failed.

Not that it would have mattered, the Dems were gonna do what they were gonna do regardless.

ya, but they would have been on record.
05-26-2014, 20:24
Ridge

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Originally Posted by clublights

because no one works mon-friday between 10am and 1pm ...... maybe during lunch I guess...

I have Monday and Tuesday off. I can go! :D
05-26-2014, 20:58
Jer

Anyone else offering free BGC's for private party transfers? Didn't think so. I've been saying since this law passed that a LGS would be smart to give them away to get people in the door. Most retail businesses PAY to get customers in the door in the form of advertising.
12-08-2015, 21:31
Camperdavid

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Originally Posted by Jer

Anyone else offering free BGC's for private party transfers? Didn't think so. I've been saying since this law passed that a LGS would be smart to give them away to get people in the door. Most retail businesses PAY to get customers in the door in the form of advertising.

As usual, I'm late to the party....but, I couldn't agree more!
I can't think of a time that I didnt wander around filling a basket while I was waiting for the database to confirm that I still wasn't part of ISIS. New gun means new dies, brass, ammo, holster, etc. I'm willing to bet that a shop nets more revenue on two boxes of shells and a holster than many firearms anyway. Hell, I actually paid $30.00 for a pound of Unique at Buck Stop in Spearfish SD, just to be nice!

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