Federal Lake City XM855 5.56 NATO Full Metal Jacket, 62 Grain Steel Penetrator, 3104 fps, 120 $50.89
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Federal Lake City XM855 5.56 NATO Full Metal Jacket, 62 Grain Steel Penetrator, 3104 fps, 120 $50.89
Sigh.. Panic started early on this one
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Sportsman's Warehouse in Loveland has prolly 20-30 cans left. Marked $200, but actually $180.
Use "SH1097" for free shipping:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/produ...bled+Deep+Link
Maybe instead of lighting up retailer's cash registers it's time to light up ATF's faxes and email accounts:
Probably wouldn't hurt to do the same with your representative and senators.Quote:
How to comment – from the BATFE
ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments.
Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):
ATF email: APAComments@atf.gov
Fax: (202) 648-9741.
Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Denise Brown, Enforcement Programs and Services, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, U.S. Department of Justice, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226; telephone: (202) 648-7070.
No kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
Damn, I just called them and they told me they were out...Truck in on Monday...Quote:
Originally Posted by COcz
Out of Stock, Someone has deep pockets and is feeling speculative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
now i know why i saw a guy in Westminster arms, buying ever box of m855 in stock... Wish i would have known this earlier this morning :(
I have a can from a while back. Just checked Walmart at soutlands no federal. They had some other brand for $475 not sure round amount was over 500.
Or maybe it's a group buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by zimagold
I think it's a case of some people having long enough memories to recall how well .22 bounced back...-or didn't, as the case may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
Guys....have you actually read the ATF article.... Page 1? It clearly states this is only for Handguns.
Quote:
It is important to note that only projectiles that meet thestatutory definition of “armor piercing” – i.e., those made out of the specific listed materials thatmay be used in a handgun – are subject to the statutory restrictions. As a result, manufacturersare, and will continue to be, free to manufacture projectiles from non-restricted materials,completely independent of the application of this framework or any exemptions
This looks more aimed at 5.7x28 since they have been wanting to go after that for years and since it is actual handgun ammo.Quote:
[L]et me make clear what this bill does not do. Our legislation would not limit the availability of standard rifle ammunition with armor-piercing capability. We recognizethat soft body armor is not intended to stop high powered rifle cartridges. Time andagain Congressman Biaggi and I have stressed that only bullets capable of penetratingbody armor and designed to be fired from a handgun would be banned; rifle ammunitionwould not be covered.
Ummm still bad but wrong ammo. Somebody is trying to start another [panic]
Looks like it might be working
Have you actually read the article, pages 14/15 might be of particular interest...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fil...g_purposes.pdf
I myself as ammo could care less. I do have a few bullets put away to load should I need to but it will just get put away like the .308 AP rounds. Just my take on it.
Ya, Page 15 is the capper but it makes no sense since the law clearly states handguns. AR15 pistols are not handguns (they even acknowledge this in the paper), concealable, not being used in mass cops shooting and have always been recognized as such. They are looking for comments and as 41P has shown we can change things. With an R Congress and threat of 2016 gun owner uprising (that has swung previous elections) I think this will be put off until after 2016 if there is enough push back.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
+1 on "could care less". I can make the same hole in everything I would care to aim at with PMC 223, and that ammo is top quality.
When the ATF starts to make sense, y'all let me know :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
"could", or "couldn't"?Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
Obviously the correct term is "couldn't", if you wish to be the grammar Nazi. I was simply quoting the original post by jerrymrc.
The way I read it, because the ammunition can be used in both semi-auto handguns and rifles, the ATF has decided to vacate the previous exemption for rifles.Quote:
The AR-basedhandguns and rifles utilize the same magazines and share identical receivers. These AR-typehandguns were not commercially available when the armor piercing ammunition exemption wasgranted in 1986. To ensure consistency, upon final implementation of the sporting purposeframework outlined above, ATF must withdraw the exemptions for 5.56 mm “green tip”ammunition, including both the SS109 and M855 cartridges.7
...and if you "care less", it means you still care. [Coffee]
No, it clearly states:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
Pages 14 and 15 clearly explain the ATF is withdrawing the previous exemption for 5.56mm ammunition, specifically M855 and SS109 variants, and further states it will no longer be available to civilians by manufacturers, retailers and/or importers. It's not ambiguous at all. Their reasoning specifically states this is because the ammunition can be used in a handgun version of AR-15 style rifles that weren't widely available (if at all) when the exemption for M855 and SS109 variants of 5.56mm ammo were granted.Quote:
It is important to note that only projectiles that meet the statutory definition of "armor piercing", i.e., those made out of the specific listed materials that may be used in a handgun are subject to the statutory restrictions.
The BATF banned steel core 7.62X39 when someone made a pistol that could shoot it. Once there is a handgun that shoots a rifle round that is AP in the rifle the BATF will ban it. Good thing no one makes a handgun that shoots 30.06 or the CMP will be stuck with a lot of that surplus Greek that they have.
Whenever Obama has a press conference, I remember what Slim Pickens said about the new Le Petomane Thruway.
Pretty much any riffle can be made into a hand gun by cutting the stock off. This ruling is total bunk. The Russian ammo was done as a trial balloon. This is being done to set a precedent for banning ammo. Couple this with the lead ban being pushed and whats left to use for bullets?
Strap on your Tin-Foil/FUD hat. But, someone on some other forum mused that a BHO "perk" side-affect for banning green-tips would be that with such a huge portion of the .223/556 ammo now off the table, it'd make the regular 55grn go up in price. But that's for supply/demand economists to debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
It's one more reason when prices were down, we still purchased reloading components. It's another panic buy, one of many to come, as long as this Islamist Sympathizing / race baiting bomb thrower is in office.Quote:
Originally Posted by KestrelBike
I've seen plenty of pro-gun lefites on the internet.Quote:
Another example of why the pro-2A communist is a mythical creature.
Pictures of unicorns, too.
Well, people must be hoarding M193 as well.. all the usual places seem to be out of it. [pileoshit]
The spirit of the original law passed by Congress back in the day was that this only applied to ammo originally designed for and manufactured as a handgun cartridge. The BATF has twisted the law to apply to any ammo that can be fired from a "handgun" regardless of the original manufactured intent of the ammo in question. Under the wording of the original law none of this ammo including the 7.62x39, 5.45x39 that has been banned would have ever been included. Now that people make handgun versions of AKs and ARs the BATF has decided on their own authority to twist the law to proclaim that these rifle cartridges are now handgun cartridges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
How many so-called Second Amendment supporters have actually done anything more than whinging on the Internet in response to these incremental gun control laws? Probably no more than 3%, at best, are active NRA or RMGO members and supporters who are carrying the rest of the do-nothings on their backs.
[tin foil hat]So the ATF signs off on the SIG Brace so that the number of AR-15 handguns will swell to the point that they can claim they are "common" ... thus making 5.56mm a "common handgun caliber" so they could ban M855 (and then double cross us on the SIG Brace too).[/tin foil hat]
Thanks to Thompson Center Arms, this "logic" could be expanded to include ALL rifle cartridges (since pretty much any rifle cartridge will penetrate armor).Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
IIRC, the fear of AR ammo bans like this were first voiced when Olympic Arms first came out with their AR pistol. Need to do some digging...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Well put.
Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
I think it is more realistic to believe that this is backlash instead of a well thought out conspiracy. From their perspective, they screwed up on the SIG brace and the SBR-loophole it created. Now they're trying to make up for it and reclaim even more ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
This reminds me of buying .22 ammo at some retail store and the counter clerk would ask if the .22's are intended for rifle or pistol.
if the buyer appeared to be under age and he/she responded that that ammo was for a handgun, the clerk would not make the sale.
Who knows but this may SOMEDAY happen with 5.56 and .223.
Yeah, who in their right mind would declare it is for a handgun.
Here is the email address for making comments about the proposed ban:
APAComments@atf.gov
The "Spirit of the Second Amendment" continues to be abridged. M855 seems to be sold out everywhere.
Its gone baby, gone. I have some posted for trade.