M855/ss109

[Hound]

Guys....have you actually read the ATF article.... Page 1? It clearly states this is only for Handguns.

It is important to note that only projectiles that meet thestatutory definition of “armor piercing” – i.e., those made out of the specific listed materials thatmay be used in a handgun – are subject to the statutory restrictions. As a result, manufacturersare, and will continue to be, free to manufacture projectiles from non-restricted materials,completely independent of the application of this framework or any exemptions

[L]et me make clear what this bill does not do. Our legislation would not limit the availability of standard rifle ammunition with armor-piercing capability. We recognizethat soft body armor is not intended to stop high powered rifle cartridges. Time andagain Congressman Biaggi and I have stressed that only bullets capable of penetratingbody armor and designed to be fired from a handgun would be banned; rifle ammunitionwould not be covered.

This looks more aimed at 5.7x28 since they have been wanting to go after that for years and since it is actual handgun ammo.

Ummm still bad but wrong ammo. Somebody is trying to start another

Looks like it might be working

[hatidua]

Guys....have you actually read the ATF article.... Page 1?
Ummm still bad but wrong ammo. Somebody is trying to start another

Looks like it might be working

Have you actually read the article, pages 14/15 might be of particular interest...

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fil...g_purposes.pdf

[Hound]

Have you actually read the article, pages 14/15 might be of particular interest...

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fil...g_purposes.pdf

Ya, Page 15 is the capper but it makes no sense since the law clearly states handguns. AR15 pistols are not handguns (they even acknowledge this in the paper), concealable, not being used in mass cops shooting and have always been recognized as such. They are looking for comments and as 41P has shown we can change things. With an R Congress and threat of 2016 gun owner uprising (that has swung previous elections) I think this will be put off until after 2016 if there is enough push back.

[hatidua]

Ya, Page 15 is the capper but it makes no sense

When the ATF starts to make sense, y'all let me know

[Bailey Guns]

Guys....have you actually read the ATF article.... Page 1? It clearly states this is only for Handguns.

No, it clearly states:

It is important to note that only projectiles that meet the statutory definition of "armor piercing", i.e., those made out of the specific listed materials that may be used in a handgun are subject to the statutory restrictions.

Pages 14 and 15 clearly explain the ATF is withdrawing the previous exemption for 5.56mm ammunition, specifically M855 and SS109 variants, and further states it will no longer be available to civilians by manufacturers, retailers and/or importers. It's not ambiguous at all. Their reasoning specifically states this is because the ammunition can be used in a handgun version of AR-15 style rifles that weren't widely available (if at all) when the exemption for M855 and SS109 variants of 5.56mm ammo were granted.

[def90]

Guys....have you actually read the ATF article.... Page 1? It clearly states this is only for Handguns.




This looks more aimed at 5.7x28 since they have been wanting to go after that for years and since it is actual handgun ammo.

Ummm still bad but wrong ammo. Somebody is trying to start another

Looks like it might be working

The spirit of the original law passed by Congress back in the day was that this only applied to ammo originally designed for and manufactured as a handgun cartridge. The BATF has twisted the law to apply to any ammo that can be fired from a "handgun" regardless of the original manufactured intent of the ammo in question. Under the wording of the original law none of this ammo including the 7.62x39, 5.45x39 that has been banned would have ever been included. Now that people make handgun versions of AKs and ARs the BATF has decided on their own authority to twist the law to proclaim that these rifle cartridges are now handgun cartridges.

[Hound]

Well put.

The spirit of the original law passed by Congress back in the day was that this only applied to ammo originally designed for and manufactured as a handgun cartridge. The BATF has twisted the law to apply to any ammo that can be fired from a "handgun" regardless of the original manufactured intent of the ammo in question. Under the wording of the original law none of this ammo including the 7.62x39, 5.45x39 that has been banned would have ever been included. Now that people make handgun versions of AKs and ARs the BATF has decided on their own authority to twist the law to proclaim that these rifle cartridges are now handgun cartridges.