Biker Gang Shootout

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

This NPR editorial is bizarre. I'm glad I didn't donate to them. I admit I like some of the National Public Radio broadcasts.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...otout-and-race

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Well, when everyone is sitting around calmly, what do you expect? Seems more about attitude than race.

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

They're retaliating alright. Both the Cosaks and Banditos have declared a war on anyone in uniform, I'll try to find a link.
Granted, that'll probably be put down by the bigger fish in the organizations that know that's a losing battle.
Edit: Here's a link...
http://www.goheroes.us/53-hours/texa...one-in-uniform



You'd probably lose more than the bike.

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This is dumb. Even as someone who operates beyond the law, hell especially someone who operates beyond the law knows that the police aren't going to just let stuff like this slide in a public place. Why bother with a vendetta?


ETA: This would be a nightmare for an over eager CCW holder. It's one thing to defend the innocent, but when parties are taking shots at each other, it would be colossally stupid to try and involve yourself into that situation.

http://youtu.be/xGyKBFCd_u4

The only thing I can think of when I see a grown man wearing a leather vest with patches on a bike.

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This ain't shit. Just go to Bingo night up here and holler BINGO, them little ole ladies have more firepower on them than an platoon in the military.
It's scary I tell ya.

Here's an interesting view on the matter. Lots of interesting questions, wish I'd have been a fly on the wall to see how it really went down...

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpre...or-the-bikers/

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Originally Posted by sellersm

Here's an interesting view on the matter. Lots of interesting questions, wish I'd have been a fly on the wall to see how it really went down...

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpre...or-the-bikers/

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Intersting read, i wonder if this is true why none of the biker clubs are saying anything about this, IF it actually happend this way. Time will tell i am sure.

We already knew the police knew about the meeting and were going to be there. Seems like a biased article with nothing more than speculation.

I wouldn't doubt if the PD did kill all nine dumbass's, Texas has a pretty good record going lately for killing folks that needed killin. This is funny, the black people are upset about the media distraction from their cause, other bikers are upset about the negative attention, these douchebags involved are upset over the cops stopping it, and the cops are like go ahead and mess up again.

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Originally Posted by sellersm

Here's an interesting view on the matter. Lots of interesting questions, wish I'd have been a fly on the wall to see how it really went down...

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpre...or-the-bikers/

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Here's another similar view from the guys who were ahead of the mainstream media on everything since Trayvon.
Waiting to see the actual evidence.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...minal-history/

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Originally Posted by davsel

Here's another similar view from the guys who were ahead of the mainstream media on everything since Trayvon.
Waiting to see the actual evidence.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...minal-history/

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That is a much better article, and explains the hit on the police by biker guys.

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Originally Posted by Irving

That is a much better article, and explains the hit on the police by biker guys.

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Hit on the police? Must be reading a different link.

Hitting on police? I've not met a really cute cop.....

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Originally Posted by davsel

Here's another similar view from the guys who were ahead of the mainstream media on everything since Trayvon.
Waiting to see the actual evidence.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...minal-history/

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Like most situations, the more info that comes out, the less I trust what the government has to say on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Duman

Hitting on police? I've not met a really cute cop.....

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Need to hang out in Loveland/Ft collins had a few. Couple of em I doubt where much over 100lbs if that. Always figured suck to see the day when they realize they arn't so good in a brawl no matter how much combatics courses.

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Originally Posted by Duman

Hitting on police? I've not met a really cute cop.....

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It's those bullet proof vests they wear. They make anyone look fat and flat.

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Originally Posted by trlcavscout

I wouldn't doubt if the PD did kill all nine dumbass's, Texas has a pretty good record going lately for killing folks that needed killin. This is funny, the black people are upset about the media distraction from their cause, other bikers are upset about the negative attention, these douchebags involved are upset over the cops stopping it, and the cops are like go ahead and mess up again.

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Yes, black people are like "The Borg", a collective who all think and feel the same way. After their big meeting every week they go to Obama's house and decide who they should vote for in the upcoming elections. Seriously, I'm getting the feeling that a few of you only "read" this forum ( comic books don't count ).

https://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by trlcavscout https://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal...post-right.png
I wouldn't doubt if the PD did kill all nine dumbass's, Texas has a pretty good record going lately for killing folks that needed killin. This is funny, the black people are upset about the media distraction from their cause, other bikers are upset about the negative attention, these douchebags involved are upset over the cops stopping it, and the cops are like go ahead and mess up again.

umm, ahhh, ooo, hmmm, pretty sure black people are upset about racism not media coverage, just say'n. Agreed there are a lot of dumb asses out there.

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Originally Posted by RMAC757

Yes, black people are like "The Borg", a collective who all think and feel the same way. After their big meeting every week they go to Obama's house and decide who they should vote for in the upcoming elections. Seriously, I'm getting the feeling that a few of you only "read" this forum ( comic books don't count ).

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I'm going to use your "Borg" line. Seems to describe lots of stereotypical viewpoints.

I've heard there's other MC riders held in jail that weren't involved at all or affiliated with any clubs, just passersby that were scooped up and hauled in too. Held on $1 million bail as well, for nothing.

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Originally Posted by rondog

I've heard there's other MC riders held in jail that weren't involved at all or affiliated with any clubs, just passersby that were scooped up and hauled in too. Held on $1 million bail as well, for nothing.

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RICO is all encompassing. Trust me.

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Originally Posted by Duman

Hitting on police? I've not met a really cute cop.....

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... and of course my favorite (albeit fictional) female cop:

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I think one of those "police officers" is just a lady in dirt bike gear.

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Originally Posted by RMAC757

Yes, black people are like "The Borg", a collective who all think and feel the same way. After their big meeting every week they go to Obama's house and decide who they should vote for in the upcoming elections. Seriously, I'm getting the feeling that a few of you only "read" this forum ( comic books don't count ).

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Ok that was my bad I did not mean to generalize so much, I was referring to what I seen on social media, several of them being friends and friends of friends, a lot of complaints about the media coverage and a lot of complaints about how the police treated people involved in the shoot out saying they were treated better then the current rioters.

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Originally Posted by trlcavscout

Ok that was my bad I did not mean to generalize so much, I was referring to what I seen on social media, several of them being friends and friends of friends, a lot of complaints about the media coverage and a lot of complaints about how the police treated people involved in the shoot out saying they were treated better then the current rioters.

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No worries, just having some fun [Beer]

Tinfoil warning: alternate theories.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1870.htm

May 22, 2015

Obama Massacres Innocent Waco Bikers Over Putin Fears

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A new Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the Obama regimes Department of Homeland Security (DHS) deliberately massacred at least 9 innocent motorcycle enthusiasts on 17 May over fears that one of the clubs participating in a yearly rally in Waco, Texas, could possibly be linked to the Night Wolves.

Described by some in the propaganda Western press as “Putin’s Hells Angels”, this report explains, the Night Wolves were, in fact, one of the first organized groups that battled against the Soviet communist regime in the 1980’s leading to the fall of that brutal regime, and who have since have taken an interest in the political and social life of Russia, engaging in youth social issues while forging close links to the Kremlin and establishing a friendship with Putin. They also aided the protection of Ukraine from the US installed Nazi government by patrolling the streets of Crimea with unmarked soldiers sent from Russia, fought for the rebels and are deeply involved with the Russian Orthodox Church.

Led by the deeply religious Alexander Zaldostanov [aka “The Surgeon” because of his medical skills], this report continues, the 5,000 member Night Wolves also have the dubious distinction of being the only motorcycle club in history to have been sanctioned by the US government forbidding them from traveling to or having/making business with anyone in America.





The Obama regimes fears regarding the Night Wolves leading to the 17 May Waco Massacre, this report says, centered around a small and mysterious motorcycle club known as the Cossacks that began in the early 1990’s in the Caucasus Mountains region of the Federation and had just one World War II-era 1942 Harley-Davidson.

Since the 1990’s, SVR intelligence analysts in this report note, little has been known or reported about the Cossacks Motorcycle Club in the Federation other than “certain members” known to have immigrated to the United States where they revived their organization.

Once these “certain members” of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club immigrated to the United States, this report says, there appears to be little information about them with even Wikipedia failing to note their presence/existence in either their Lists of Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs or List of Motorcycle Clubs.

SVR analysts in this report further note that the Cossacks Motorcycle Club has rarely been mentioned in the American press, with the exception being a 2011 notice advertising their “Annual Mingus Blowout”, in Mingus, Texas, open to everyone and described as a collage-like party with their open invitation stating, “As always, there are No Weapons and No Attitudes allowed assuring a relaxing, fun weekend for all.”





Particularly fearful about the Cossacks Motorcycle Club to the Obama regime, this report states, were “intercepted electronic communications” between them and the Night Wolves, leading some SVR analysts to conclude that the Americans were “terrified” of such an alliance forming as the Night Wolves long experience with operating within the confines of a police state regime would give the Cossacks, and any other motorcycle club they affiliated with, invaluable knowledge to battle their nations suppression by the oligarchs now controlling them.

As the internationally prestigious Princeton University had already declared last year that the United States was now an oligarchy, not a democracy, this report continues, the Obama regime had no choice (like all totalitarian regimes do) but to totally eliminate the Cossacks Motorcycle Club over their perceived fears…and which they began with the 17 May Waco Biker Massacre when military camouflaged DHS snipers embedded on the rooftop of the Twin Peaks restaurant began their deliberate killing spree.





Even worse, at least for the American people, this report continues, within minutes of this massacre, and resembling the propaganda “attack” launched against these once free people on 11 September 2001, the Obama regime began flooding their nations lapdog press with so many deliberately false stories relating to these murders it would be laughable, except, of course, for the families of those left dead and dying.

Of particular note about the numerous Obama regime lies regarding this massacre, the SVR says, are the reports that these bikers all began shooting at each other, when in fact the video evidence proves that only one biker fired his weapon in self defense while fleeing from the DHS sniper fire.

Also to be noted about these Obama regime lies, this report continues, was that where the propaganda reports stated that over 1,000 guns were confiscated from these bikers, in fact barely 300 were actually recovered, and nearly all of them were legally possessed under Texas law.

Of the nine casualties who died of gunshot wounds, the SVR further notes, all were sustained outside the restaurant and no shell casings were found around the bodies while eight of the nine were Cossacks and of the eighteen who were wounded they are not expected to be charged, a fact leading one American independent report on this massacre to state: “So much for the narrative that gangs were fighting each other, or that Bandidos were the aggressors.”

Even more shameful, this report says, where the Obama regime reports that all of the dead were hardened criminals, but which independent research shows the opposite to be true as nearly all of them had no criminal records whatsoever, including Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, who was a law-abiding decorated Vietnam veteran with Purple Heart and had never been arrested in his whole life.





And in one the most appalling acts of government lawlessness the United States has seen in modern times, this report notes, after this massacre by the Obama regime, 170 of the witnesses who were able to describe the DHS snipers unprovoked attack upon them were immediately jailed with no charges filed and placed under $1 million bond each.

Though the Obama regime propaganda media even now continues to spread their lies about this massacre, this SVR report concludes, the same cannot be said about many still free and independent American news outlets, including the Western Rifle Shooters Association (WRSA) which in giving their thoughts as to why this massacre took place simply stated:

“WACO PD have not been very friendly towards bikers and the FEDS TOTALLY despise Bikers! Why? Because we are not afraid of them or their agenda! We are a threat to them! Remember folks we were able to organize in 24 days 800,000 -1.2 million bikers to DC! We did it WITHOUT their permission or support! They even SHUT DOWN the traffic cams…had the news NOT flown over the scene there would have been NO proof that we rode! Yes, folks, like it or not even 1%’s rode with us! They set aside their territories and rode peacefully! JUST like they do at ALL COC meetings!

Bikers stand up to them, to their Christian hate, their muslim agenda and whatever else they want to throw at us! BIKERS ARE PRESENTLY THE BACKBONE of PATRIOT AMERICA! WHAT BETTER WAY TO BRING THEM DOWN THAN WITH BAD PRESS SUCH AS THIS!”

First they came for bikers…



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That's one of the funniest things I've read in a while! Glad I have a fresh roll of the foil [ROFL2]

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Originally Posted by Doc45

That's one of the funniest things I've read in a while! Glad I have a fresh roll of the foil [ROFL2]

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Look up / investigate COBRA, then get back with us. IIRC they like other "groups"morphed in to federal jurisdiction . Then after 9/11 became like Oz , All Knowing.

The following supposedly relates to Anarchist . HOWEVER. We all know how TSA is there to monitor & spot DO NOT FLY LIST people who may possess a threat. Like that grandmother and kid in stroller.

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/e09042536.pdf
pg 100


SLTLE often find a need to maintain information, in either raw or finished
form that can place them in a controversial position. For purposes of
community safety, law enforcement needs to maintain information on some
people and organizations for two reasons: (1) The have the potential to
commit crimes and (2) They pose a bona fide threat, although the
parameters of that threat are often difficult to specify. Their actions are
monitored and affiliations recorded to help prevent future crimes and/or
build a future criminal case. Inherently problematic is the idea of a future
crime: what is the rationale for keeping information on a person who has
not committed a crime, but might do so? Essentially, if there is a
compelling interest for community safety, an effective argument can be
made to maintain records on individuals who threaten that safety as long
as reasonable justification can be presented to show a relationship to
criminality

In this type of intelligence there is no product, per se, but regularly
prepared and disseminated operational records on people and groups who
are associated with terrorists or criminal enterprises. The important, yet
difficult, balance is to ensure that there is no violation of constitutional
rights during the course of the process, but at the same time maintaining a

resource of credible information for legitimate law enforcement purposes



No need to link the Patriot Act, you can do that yourself.

I'll stick with my own experiences in over 45 years of riding and direct encounters to base my opinions on. These groups are nothing but 100% pure criminal enterprises. By the same token if one doesn't do anything stupid or get involved with their world then we have other things to worry about.

The line that these bikers are the backbone of patriotic America is beyond ridiculous let alone the rest of it.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Look up / investigate COBRA, then get back with us. IIRC they like other "groups"morphed in to federal jurisdiction . Then after 9/11 became like Oz , All Knowing.

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What does federal health insurance coverage have to do with outlaw bikers? [Coffee]

The "alternate theory" is indeed comical. I've met some decent bikers but the backbone of patriotic America? [ROFL3][ROFL2][ROFL1]

Now the gangs can't do anything without the cops getting involved!

f it

Courtesy of NBC NEWS:

OMG: Soldiers Recruited For Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs

The ranks of the nation's most violent outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMGs) include active-duty soldiers who fly their biker colors while serving overseas and even commit crimes on American soil, according to a federal investigation.
And military-oriented motorcycle clubs not considered outlaws are starting to adopt the "traits and mannerisms" of their criminal counterparts, the report by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives found.

"Even though only a small percentage of active-duty military personnel, DoD (Department of Defense) employees and contractors have been involved in the shootings or violent acts against adversaries, they belong to and/or (are) associated with OMGs and motorcycle clubs that are pulling the triggers," the report said.


The findings in the 2014 report — which was first made public by First Look Media after a biker clash in Waco, Texas left nine dead — came as no surprise to Charles Falco, who infiltrated three biker gangs as an undercover informant for the ATF.
As an officer of the Outlaws in California, he said, other members who were soldiers or contractors would send photos from Iraq and Afghanistan that showed them displaying gang regalia.
"Are they loyal to the government or are they loyal to the gang? They're more loyal to the gangs," Falco said.
The ATF report said the Highwaymen, Hells Angels, Bandidos, Warlocks and Mongols have created colors or T-shirts for members serving overseas.

The 40-page dossier does not give hard numbers for military participation in the 300 or so outlaw groups identified by the feds as "conduits for criminal enterprises." But includes names and photos of service members from all branches who ride with some of the dominant clubs and their support clubs.
A handful have been linked to weapons seizures or violent episodes. Three Army soldiers were sent to prison for the 2012 murder of an unarmed man who was tossed out of the Sin City Disciples Clubhouse in Colorado Springs, Colorado. One was the gang's sergeant-at-arms, and another was a three-tour Iraq war veteran.
Military members are considered prized prospects — which comes as no surprise given the gangs' mission of amassing as much territory as possible, Falco said.
"They're trained, they're great at conducting war and they have the ability to access weapons," he said. "The question is, why would the military allow current military folks to be in an active gang."
According to the Defense Department, military personnel cannot be involved in "extremist groups" or actively advocate "criminal gang doctrine," but the regulations do not explicitly prohibit membership in an outlaw motorcycle gang. Commanders have the authority to discipline or take criminal action against anyone who flouts the rule.
Gang recruitment isn't limited to the armed forces, according to the report, which said "the OMG community continues to spread its tentacles through all facets of government."
Although Falco said actual law-enforcement officers are generally banned, the report says gang prospects, members and associates include employees of police and fire departments and 911 call centers.

It notes that while the ATF's annual report on military gangs ties is labeled "law enforcement sensitive," it has been found at the Outlaws' Fort Lauderdale clubhouse and in Hells Angels email traffic.

First published May 26th 2015, 10:20 pm

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ldiers-n364731

Is this the same agency[s] & media that said returning vets have a good chance of being / becoming Domestic Terrorist?

For such headlines this incident has disappeared from most places, except for small blurbs on line. One thing pointed out I suggest one does research on a CoC (confederation of clubs) get together. This is not a 1% only get together. If anything Combat Vets, CMR / CMA (Christian Motorcycle Riders, Association) Etc are in attendance. Also where is the photo op collection of weapons confiscated? Who has made bail, who's been released with no charges?

Couple's eyewitness account:
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/K...304109141.html

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Originally Posted by davsel

Couple's eyewitness account:
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/K...304109141.html

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Sounds suspicious to me. especially this part.

The couple took photos of the scene until an officer asked them to stop. The man says emergency responders were bringing some of the injured right past their truck. Concerned people might still be armed, he says they asked police if they could leave. They were allowed to do so after being searched.

Really the cop "asked you to stop" BUT did not confiscate the camera that may or may not have pictures of the event ,, mmmm

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He says he himself has been a lifelong motorcycle enthusiast and owns leathers and chaps - but they are to protect him from the elements and road rash.

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The derp is strong with this reporter....

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

The derp is strong with this reporter....

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The whole deal is starting to stink. Insert Gun Show Goes Wrong, 100's detained, THOUSANDS OF WEAPONS CONFISCATED. Far fetched, who knows ?

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...nd-reductions/

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Several places are now reporting a very disconcerting claim about the justice system in Waco Texas requesting detainees sign waivers promising not to sue the city for unlawful arrest, detention, and civil rights violations.

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Waco, Texas – Earlier today, detainees in the Jack Harwell Detention Center in Waco were told that in exchange for bond reductions, they must sign a document stating the Waco police “had the right to arrest the inmate and that he/she will not file a lawsuit against McLennan County and/or the City of Waco.”

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If this is true, this is a very alarming demand by local authorities. The requirement to sign a liability release waiver prior to a bond hearing is quite possibly unlawful by itself.

It would appear, at least on the surface, to be completely unenforceable. I doubt you could find a more succinct example of “signing under duress”, which essentially negates any validity to the waiver itself.

Secondly, the implication of requiring the waiver prior to release, is itself a tacit admission of wrongdoing on behalf of the arresting authority. It just makes no sense.

If the detainee represents such a significant threat of non-reappearance, and -in a larger sense- toward the general public; and the detainees’ violation of law so serious as to set their bond at $1,000,000 – how can the simple process of signing a waiver mitigate the underlying premise of their risk/danger?

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ETA: Well, looks like the "waiver" story may be false - confusing explanation here:
http://www.kxxv.com/story/29211450/f...lds-real-fight

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Originally Posted by davsel

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...nd-reductions/

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Ya that's going to be a problem if true.

More interesting "accounts" coming forth. I stand by the fact that this whole thing stinks, and just as the other "event" that happened in Waco, I don't believe this one as reported...

(comments on this article are very interesting):
http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com...s-to-come.html

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...s/#more-101290

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Originally Posted by sellersm

More interesting "accounts" coming forth. I stand by the fact that this whole thing stinks, and just as the other "event" that happened in Waco, I don't believe this one as reported...

(comments on this article are very interesting):
http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com...s-to-come.html

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...s/#more-101290

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In your first link, I was reading until the "racist mulatto faggot" part. After that, no matter if you agree with it or not, that kind of language just kills all credibility with 99.999999% of readers.