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Originally Posted by brutal
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/2...-military-paid
Needs to be mandatory that NOBODY including Congress gets paid, during a government shutdown. I wonder how often we would shut down then?
Looks like a bunch of the national parks remain open but un-staffed. As they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...=.01976b2b4ee9
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hutdown-updateQuote:
Originally Posted by Gman
OK. so as long as it doesn't disrupt your life, keep that money mill spending and spending..... Seriously, do you think the people outside of government are insulated from financial downturns like in 2008? You know, when I and my co-workers spent a year and a half working on 60% pay because the company was struggling to survive? I don't remember the .gov workers having to do that. In fact, I remember .gov workers throwin a fricken fit because they didn't get a sizeable enough raise.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
AND. The fact is the bulk of federal workers are Dems. You specifically may not be, but most of your co-workers are. No one is required to work there, it was your choice. Every choice has impacts.
Careful. DeGray will accuse you of being heartless.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
I don't think she will, as I'm one of the Federal workers still working, and not getting paid. My comment was directed as a blow towards the congress critters still getting paid, while everybody else is working for free. I realize there are many like yourself, who more than likely loathe us government employees, and that's fine, I don't need you to care for me, or the work I do (even tho you should, as it's your tax dollars paying me, for a service that I'm certain most everybody wants to continue, and there isn't a good private sector equivalent available).Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
Honest question. When's payday for .gov workers? If they reach a deal before next Friday or the end of the month is anyone actually going to miss a paycheck?
Because, as it stands, the shutdown happened Friday night. I'm pretty sure no one has missed a check yet. No one has been affected by this until they miss a paycheck.
USAA is going to pay any .mil folks who miss getting paid. That's pretty cool.
You are wrong. I don't have a any issues with govt workers. Govt has several necessary activities and it takes people to do those duties. You can come down from your cross now. You get paid for the work you do just like I do, it isn't volunteer service.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
My point in all this is... why all the fricken DRAMA about govt workers on a PAY DELAY? Yep, pay delay, you know you will get back pay, the tradition was set and is probably already being drafted now to grant you the missing back pay. Sure it sucks to have to rely on savings for a bit, it sucks for everyone to have to do that. But for chrissakes, this isn't the end of the world folks. You didn't lose your job, your company didn't go out of business, you didn't lose your retirement, ...... your paycheck is being held up for awhile. Having to work without pay?!?! wholly effin end of the world, right? There are private industry guys that do that shyte all the time as a function of keeping their jobs.
How about less "poor me" crap and more focus on the self important politicians who have found a way to dance in the forefront of us all, creating shutdown silliness, with virtually no repercussions because we (the stupid voters) granted them the ability to do it. I am sorry the .gov shutdown is having an impact on your life, but it is a minimal impact, stop making it more than it is.
It's a silly rule. By law only a simple majority is required for passing a bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
The party in charge needs to grow a pair and push their agenda.
Back pay is not guaranteed.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
I don't know how to use smaller words to make that understood.
Nobody's suggesting that you show concern on government worker's behalf- God forbid, as you obviously know everything that's going on with every government worker everywhere. Shit, why should we be worried about working or not working and not getting paid? Yeah, we should just nut up and deal with it.
If our opinions or our "poor me" crap bothers you, here's a novel idea- maybe stop a moment and think why. Maybe there are those of us that are supporting extended family. Maybe there are government workers that have had fininacial setbacks and aren't out of the hole yet. Maybe, just maybe...government workers are people that don't drive expensive cars and have no worries. Maybe, just maybe, you might humanize them, instead of writing them off by labelling them as "democrats" by and large, and therefore not really worth any thought. Oh, wait. You decreed that it is a "minimal impact." Whew. For a minute there, I was worried.
And yeah, believe me, government workers are well aware of the dancing monkeys and their double standards. It doesn't help the here and the now- but then again, I doubt you see that from the lofty heights of your high horse.
Your opinion has been heard, believe me. Let's hope when the chips are down that you find the same compassionate response.
I can't draft a response to clod that won't get me a time out, so I will just +1 the above post that Grey so eloquently put together, and leave it at that, but add:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
I realize many folks see "Federal employee's" and think $$ or overpaid, they think everybody working for the .gov is 100% squared away financially, and just living the high life, that just isn't the case. Government employees face the same financial struggles that private sector employee's face, that is, not everybody has a plump savings account (even tho many on here and elsewhere think folks without a contingency plan are just terribly irresponsible people). Shit happens, medical emergencies happen, car problems happen, you may not always have that financial buffer you always had, and having a delayed pay check is not an option for some.
There ya go, use the nuclear option. There will be another vote at 1am Monday, we'll see what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
So Democrats think illegals are more important than the military or civil servants. I wonder how well this will play come November mid-terms.
So, have any of the .gov employees here actually missed a paycheck yet?
I'm self employed. Who's wrung their hands for any of us ever. We take all the risk and pay your wages.
C-SPAN is live now, Schmuckie Schumer is flapping his gums right now.
Thats a mighty broad brush you are playing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
The last shutdown in 2013 that led to sequestration I received no back pay from the Military. Different parts of the military/govt work under different rules.
We didn't fly airplanes. People lost valuable training to sharpen their skills right before our 2013 Deployment.
Just like then, we have yet another deployment coming up. Hopefully this mess will end soon and everyone walking out the door will be 200% ready for anything the bad guys can throw at us.
Not for us. I'm not sure about the military folks and their pay schedule, but for us, the shutdown happened mid-pay cycle. I'm actually worried about some young Army friends of ours- the wife just had a baby and he had to get a replacement car because his daily driver gave up the ghost. I'm pretty sure their savngs are close to the bone.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
The worrisome thing is that the Dems actually drew the lie in the sand in choosing DACA over citizens, making the sweeping statements that both said, "You citizens don't count and are the easiest to steal from at the moment to make our point," and rendered the agreement a working society enters into (I rent you my time and expertise, you pay me for that,) null and void in an instant. When this happens outside of the government, employers are sued. For some reason, it's looked at as permissable here.
UGH. That guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
I don't have any ill will toward the employees, but they are 'overhead' in a bloated Federal bureaucracy. I would prefer the Fed. Govt. be much smaller where there were fewer opportunities for employment/recipients of tax dollars. Less govt. is better for business which would result in more opportunities in the private sector.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
There's a great deal that could be done to make it better, I agree. But actions like this are akin to throwng the baby out with the bathwater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
USAA is giving interest free payroll advances to military.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/20/news...own/index.html
Sorry for all of you guys dealing with the situation on a personal level. I certainly have been accused of not being compassionate, but usually by liberals. The government is fubar right or left. 2+2=4
You didn't get a bailout?Quote:
Originally Posted by CapLock
Thanks! We already passed on that news to them, and we've got another Army buddy who's helping watch out for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
The one thing that helps in this atmosphere is that the Armed Services watches out for one another. If this furlough goes on for a while, I'm hoping that folks caught in dire straits will reach out.
Yah. It is Durbin's turn now to jaw at us.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
The tactics being used right now are simply leverage to make the Fed. Govt. bigger and more influential in our everyday lives. It's absolutely not reducing the size of the Fed. Govt.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
I'll be surprised if there's ever another approved annual budget (as dictated by the Constitution). They've turned this game of temporary government funding into a tool to make the government bigger and screw over their constituencies in favor of special interests.
He's probably not a Wall Street banker who gave millions to the DNC. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sampson
Probably wasn't on Bush' list when Bush doled out our money to the bankers using the TARP program.
That's really cool. My sister's family is an Army family. They had to use WIC in their younger years just to feed the fam. My folks also helped them out when they needed it. They're at least doing a job that the Feds were Constitutionally mandated to do and they've paid mightily for our freedoms that we enjoy. Our troops and veterans should be a priority, but as usual, the Feds have made a mess of supporting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
The size of the federal workforce should be reduced through nutrition.
That should save some bread.
Thank heavens for USAA. I bitch about some of their policies and fee increases here and there but still stay with them because they stand with the troops when things get tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
Yep, been there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Through almost 3/4 of my Air Force career we didn't have spare money to drop into savings. We never owned a fancy car and the couple of new ones we bought were great deals on reliable vehicles. As with your sisters family, we did the best to live within our means, sometimes it wasn't quite enough but we adjusted and worked through it. Only on two occasions did we ask (and receive) family members for emergency loans. It made the critical difference in getting us through tight spots.
As a young troop with a family we relied on WIC for a couple of years. The nutritional requirements for food could be cumbersome but ensured my children had healthy food to eat. When we no longer needed WIC, we stopped participating, but while we needed it, it was a Godsend.
When we first moved to CO in '95 we bought a house. We bought the best home we could afford at the time (and still live in it). Because available housing was so limited at the time the house was actually cheaper than renting a 2 bedroom apartment. Still, with the house payment, etc. we had no spare money and lived paycheck to paycheck. I could have gotten out of the service and taken a private industry job, but that wouldn't satisfy my need to perform a service to our nation which was, and still is, important to me.
During my USAF career I endured a few .gov shutdowns. I can only recall one where my paycheck was delayed (there may have been more, but I don't recall) but when you're waiting for those dollars to come in to pay your bills it hurts, badly. The utility company doesn't care that you didn't receive your paycheck, they want their money.
I'm a .mil contractor now so I still feel like I'm serving the nation and providing for everyones safety. The difference now is that I'm being pay considerably better and have a little I can put into savings while paying it forward to my kids to help ensure they have the essentials for their families that they would otherwise have to do without. Luckily, the contract I'm on is paid out in advance enough that this shutdown shouldn't effect me. Through the years we've picked up a few nice things which make life worth living, but it's not like anything we have is particularly fancy.
With Congress still getting paid, and with the selfish & greedy attitude they have there is absolutely no incentive for them to come to a quick resolution to the problem. While most, if not all .fed employees aren't expecting their next paycheck until the 1st of the month they are concerned about the risks now. A wise person doesn't wait until they're completely out of water before they start to ration what they have when the spring dries up; you start worrying about it immediately and praying the water begins to flow before you run out. The longest .gov shutdown was 21 days. There is no guarantee this will not extend beyond that. For those folks, like our troops, who have just enough to get by, the threat and concern over not being able to pay their bills is very real.
"Drama"? Sure, there's drama. Anyone who can be directly effected by this would be foolish not to be concerned and with that comes drama. For those (looking at you Clodhopper) who can't at least empathize with this situation I feel very sorry for you as you must be very sad individuals.
+1 !
Eloquently stated!
Yay! I'm the darkhorse!
Ironic that so many claim I don't understand/empathize/have not lived the situation you might be in right now. When did you become an expert on my life experiences? You are farther off than you might think.
Ah well. The internet is the land of "who has more empathy", rather than a discussion of ideas or points of view.
If our govt wasn't so bloated and spending well beyond its means, this wouldn't have happened. But that would mean many of you would be in a different career than the one you currently have and may never have known the joys of government "service". Wait, was that coldhearted? hard for me to discern anymore.
Oh, and to your point Grey:
https://www.fedsmith.com/2018/01/18/...ghed-shutdown/
You'll get your back pay.
Another communist (T Kaine) is blabbering now. All the damn communists are taking turns, I wonder when McCain, Flake, and Gardner will step to the mike.
Typically when I have something bad happen to me, or go through a tough time, I use that as a life experience, and in turn am able to sympathize and or empathize with people, not carry an attitude of "well I've had to deal with tough times, so screw you", but that's called building character, something which some aren't capable of doing...Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
It's not guaranteed but has always been implemented in every government shutdown. It is in neither party's interest to create another victim class and wages/salary are a pittance in the vast scheme of government costs. I'm not on board with much of anything clodhopper said but I think back pay for the federal civil workers is a safe assumption. Contractors and others affected by the shutdown are another story but in many cases the contract was prepaid so there are things that can be done. In 2013, my company advised everyone to take the vacation time during the shutdown but also dipped into internal funds so employees who didn't want to (or couldn't) take unplanned vacations could use the time to work on needed training and professional education.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
As far as the comment about USAA, I don't think they are covering EVERYONE in the military, just current customers. They've done the same things in past shutdowns, crediting customer accounts as if they got the normal direct deposit on the normal day. This is frequently needed because a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and would run into cashflow issues even if promised backpay.
While backpay is not guaranteed, we have received it every time I have been through a shutdown. I have forgotten how many times we have been through the drill because it seems that for every actual shut down there have been five threatened shutdowns that were averted at the last moment. Last week was full of emails and phone calls reminding us of our "essential" status. Every time it happens, my wife reminds me that we would be better off if I was not "essential." I get paid after the shutdown is over for work that I was required to do regardless of whether there was a pay check or not. Non-essential employees get what we like to refer to as a paid vacation of unknown duration.
We all chose this profession. 29 years later, I can say that like most choices in life, there have been up and downs. I'm looking forward to my next career in the private sector where I can develop a whole new outlook on being a "bitchy" American worker.
Be safe.
All I see there is a whole lot of "legislation introduced" and "should get back pay." I'll believe it if and when the check clears the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
For those of you who are assuring everyone that back pay will be reimbursed, I point you to Hoser's post. He did NOT receive back pay for 2013's furlough.
You're no dark horse, Clodhopper. A dark horse is defined as "a candidate or competitor about whom little is known but who unexpectedly wins or succeeds." The only part of that definition that fits you is "about whom little is known." You proffered your point of view. Your view happened to not only be unpopular, but was filled with incorrect assumptions and projected a very cavalier assumption- if, in fact, you were ever in a situation such as a furlough. Was your smug statement "coldhearted'? Poor you, surrounded by people burdened with patriotic "feelz" and the inability to recognize your obviously superior arguments. Thank GOODNESS you were able to shed light on our problem: we wouldn't be furloughed if we weren't government workers. Of course! Why, it really is all our fault that we out ourselves in this position.
You are SO RIGHT.