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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
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    PS - what do you want to bet that we don't see the NPS fence off un-staffed parks this time? Or shutdown roads? Or any of the other "make it hurt" bullshit we saw the Dems do in 2013?
    Looks like a bunch of the national parks remain open but un-staffed. As they should.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...=.01976b2b4ee9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    If the Dems want to hold everything hostage 'cuz DACA, maybe the Senate should change their rules back to a simple majority (sometimes referred to as the 'nuclear option'). Just ram it through and tell the Dems "elections have consequences and you lost".
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hutdown-update

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrey View Post
    Really? Thank god YOU'RE not in charge.

    I am married to one of the government employees, and NO, we did NOT "elect those bozos." Thanks fr that cavalier attitude of "you could stand to lose a little pay." Nice understaning of how the furlough actually works. Because, you know, all government workers are both heard and listened to by the asshats at the capital, when they disagree with policy. Yeah.
    OK. so as long as it doesn't disrupt your life, keep that money mill spending and spending..... Seriously, do you think the people outside of government are insulated from financial downturns like in 2008? You know, when I and my co-workers spent a year and a half working on 60% pay because the company was struggling to survive? I don't remember the .gov workers having to do that. In fact, I remember .gov workers throwin a fricken fit because they didn't get a sizeable enough raise.


    AND. The fact is the bulk of federal workers are Dems. You specifically may not be, but most of your co-workers are. No one is required to work there, it was your choice. Every choice has impacts.



    Quote Originally Posted by hurley842002 View Post
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/2...-military-paid

    Needs to be mandatory that NOBODY including Congress gets paid, during a government shutdown. I wonder how often we would shut down then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clodhopper View Post
    Careful. DeGray will accuse you of being heartless.
    I don't think she will, as I'm one of the Federal workers still working, and not getting paid. My comment was directed as a blow towards the congress critters still getting paid, while everybody else is working for free. I realize there are many like yourself, who more than likely loathe us government employees, and that's fine, I don't need you to care for me, or the work I do (even tho you should, as it's your tax dollars paying me, for a service that I'm certain most everybody wants to continue, and there isn't a good private sector equivalent available).

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    Honest question. When's payday for .gov workers? If they reach a deal before next Friday or the end of the month is anyone actually going to miss a paycheck?

    Because, as it stands, the shutdown happened Friday night. I'm pretty sure no one has missed a check yet. No one has been affected by this until they miss a paycheck.

    USAA is going to pay any .mil folks who miss getting paid. That's pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurley842002 View Post
    I realize there are many like yourself, who more than likely loathe us government employees, and that's fine, I don't need you to care for me, or the work I do (even tho you should, as it's your tax dollars paying me, for a service that I'm certain most everybody wants to continue, and there isn't a good private sector equivalent available).
    You are wrong. I don't have a any issues with govt workers. Govt has several necessary activities and it takes people to do those duties. You can come down from your cross now. You get paid for the work you do just like I do, it isn't volunteer service.

    My point in all this is... why all the fricken DRAMA about govt workers on a PAY DELAY? Yep, pay delay, you know you will get back pay, the tradition was set and is probably already being drafted now to grant you the missing back pay. Sure it sucks to have to rely on savings for a bit, it sucks for everyone to have to do that. But for chrissakes, this isn't the end of the world folks. You didn't lose your job, your company didn't go out of business, you didn't lose your retirement, ...... your paycheck is being held up for awhile. Having to work without pay?!?! wholly effin end of the world, right? There are private industry guys that do that shyte all the time as a function of keeping their jobs.

    How about less "poor me" crap and more focus on the self important politicians who have found a way to dance in the forefront of us all, creating shutdown silliness, with virtually no repercussions because we (the stupid voters) granted them the ability to do it. I am sorry the .gov shutdown is having an impact on your life, but it is a minimal impact, stop making it more than it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    If the Dems want to hold everything hostage 'cuz DACA, maybe the Senate should change their rules back to a simple majority (sometimes referred to as the 'nuclear option'). Just ram it through and tell the Dems "elections have consequences and you lost".
    It's a silly rule. By law only a simple majority is required for passing a bill.

    The party in charge needs to grow a pair and push their agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clodhopper View Post
    You are wrong. I don't have a any issues with govt workers. Govt has several necessary activities and it takes people to do those duties. You can come down from your cross now. You get paid for the work you do just like I do, it isn't volunteer service.

    My point in all this is... why all the fricken DRAMA about govt workers on a PAY DELAY? Yep, pay delay, you know you will get back pay, the tradition was set and is probably already being drafted now to grant you the missing back pay. Sure it sucks to have to rely on savings for a bit, it sucks for everyone to have to do that. But for chrissakes, this isn't the end of the world folks. You didn't lose your job, your company didn't go out of business, you didn't lose your retirement, ...... your paycheck is being held up for awhile. Having to work without pay?!?! wholly effin end of the world, right? There are private industry guys that do that shyte all the time as a function of keeping their jobs.

    How about less "poor me" crap and more focus on the self important politicians who have found a way to dance in the forefront of us all, creating shutdown silliness, with virtually no repercussions because we (the stupid voters) granted them the ability to do it. I am sorry the .gov shutdown is having an impact on your life, but it is a minimal impact, stop making it more than it is.
    Back pay is not guaranteed.
    I don't know how to use smaller words to make that understood.

    Nobody's suggesting that you show concern on government worker's behalf- God forbid, as you obviously know everything that's going on with every government worker everywhere. Shit, why should we be worried about working or not working and not getting paid? Yeah, we should just nut up and deal with it.

    If our opinions or our "poor me" crap bothers you, here's a novel idea- maybe stop a moment and think why. Maybe there are those of us that are supporting extended family. Maybe there are government workers that have had fininacial setbacks and aren't out of the hole yet. Maybe, just maybe...government workers are people that don't drive expensive cars and have no worries. Maybe, just maybe, you might humanize them, instead of writing them off by labelling them as "democrats" by and large, and therefore not really worth any thought. Oh, wait. You decreed that it is a "minimal impact." Whew. For a minute there, I was worried.

    And yeah, believe me, government workers are well aware of the dancing monkeys and their double standards. It doesn't help the here and the now- but then again, I doubt you see that from the lofty heights of your high horse.

    Your opinion has been heard, believe me. Let's hope when the chips are down that you find the same compassionate response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrey View Post
    Back pay is not guaranteed.
    I don't know how to use smaller words to make that understood.

    Nobody's suggesting that you show concern on government worker's behalf- God forbid, as you obviously know everything that's going on with every government worker everywhere. Shit, why should we be worried about working or not working and not getting paid? Yeah, we should just nut up and deal with it.

    If our opinions or our "poor me" crap bothers you, here's a novel idea- maybe stop a moment and think why. Maybe there are those of us that are supporting extended family. Maybe there are government workers that have had fininacial setbacks and aren't out of the hole yet. Maybe, just maybe...government workers are people that don't drive expensive cars and have no worries. Maybe, just maybe, you might humanize them, instead of writing them off by labelling them as "democrats" by and large, and therefore not really worth any thought. Oh, wait. You decreed that it is a "minimal impact." Whew. For a minute there, I was worried.

    And yeah, believe me, government workers are well aware of the dancing monkeys and their double standards. It doesn't help the here and the now- but then again, I doubt you see that from the lofty heights of your high horse.

    Your opinion has been heard, believe me. Let's hope when the chips are down that you find the same compassionate response.
    I can't draft a response to clod that won't get me a time out, so I will just +1 the above post that Grey so eloquently put together, and leave it at that, but add:

    I realize many folks see "Federal employee's" and think $$ or overpaid, they think everybody working for the .gov is 100% squared away financially, and just living the high life, that just isn't the case. Government employees face the same financial struggles that private sector employee's face, that is, not everybody has a plump savings account (even tho many on here and elsewhere think folks without a contingency plan are just terribly irresponsible people). Shit happens, medical emergencies happen, car problems happen, you may not always have that financial buffer you always had, and having a delayed pay check is not an option for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    If the Dems want to hold everything hostage 'cuz DACA, maybe the Senate should change their rules back to a simple majority (sometimes referred to as the 'nuclear option'). Just ram it through and tell the Dems "elections have consequences and you lost".
    There ya go, use the nuclear option. There will be another vote at 1am Monday, we'll see what they do.

    So Democrats think illegals are more important than the military or civil servants. I wonder how well this will play come November mid-terms.

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