Proposed Colorado semi-auto gun ban

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Originally Posted by newracer

Typically a law doesn't go into effect until the next calendar year. Unless they specify it is an immediate threat that needs immediate action. An example would be the magazine ban, it was passed in March and went into effect in July. The released bill has no such wording.

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"Section 3. Effective date. This act takes effect upon passage."

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Originally Posted by bellavite1

As far as legal ownership I would start by taking pictures of the serial numbers.
They will have a time stamp.
Add your driver's license in the picture and it should definitely help.
Not sure if it will meet the definition of "burden of proof" but we should have a record anyways.

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I think that's always a good idea and not just with firearms. Other valuable too. Keep pics on a thumb drive in your safe or a place you may need to provide LE in the event of theft or to insurance.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

Bruen has already rendered these types of ban moot. SCOTUS has already kicked Bianchi v Frosh back to the 4th.

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In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

Maybe because their is no recourse against legislators on things like this?

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Originally Posted by O2HeN2

"Section 3. Effective date. This act takes effect upon passage."

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I was under the impression that it had to be stated in the bill the need for immediate action, guess I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

Maybe because their is no recourse against legislators on things like this?

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Need some recourse to these legislators that keep trying to undermine the constitution. If it’s the correct kind, then this stuff will stop.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

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Because no one yet has been charged with treason. I hope that will change one day.

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Originally Posted by newracer

Doing anything now is a waste of time as the bill is likely to change before passing and becoming law.

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I agree as the bill version we have seen was probably not ready for prime time. However, documenting your firearms and tracking down some receipts is never a bad idea, even in a free state.

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Originally Posted by .455_Hunter

I agree as the bill version we have seen was probably not ready for prime time. However, documenting your firearms and tracking down some receipts is never a bad idea, even in a free state.

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If the state wants to come document my grandfathered firearms they are welcome to try. Otherwise, everything I have, I have always had. It is the state's job to prove me guilty. If there isnt evidence of the purchase pre-law, then how can it be determined that I broke the law?

I guess that is a line for me. If I end up like the Jan 6th defendees, then I will be the poster boy for you guys to fight the state.

Easy way to not stress about this, or any other proposed or existing law.

Step 1. Does said or proposed law align with a plain text lay persons reading of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of These United States?

Step 2. If it does Not align, disregard said or proposed law and try to ignore all conversions about it going forward.

Step 3. If said or proposed Gun law does indeed align with the Second Amendment to the Constitution of These United States shrug and get back to doing whatever you were doing before you found out said or proposed law.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

Maybe because their is no recourse against legislators on things like this?

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That's the whole reason for the 2nd...

Illinois just banned them...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/illinois-l...ry?id=96356906

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Originally Posted by Joe_K

Step 2. If it does Not align, disregard said or proposed law and try to ignore all conversions about it going forward.

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Disregarding and ignoring existing law is how one ends up incarcerated, regardless of your feelings about the Constitutional legality of that law.

Jails have plenty of "sovereign citizens" in them.

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Originally Posted by eddiememphis

Disregarding and ignoring existing law is how one ends up incarcerated, regardless of your feelings about the Constitutional legality of that law.

Jails have plenty of "sovereign citizens" in them.

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Bruce Doucette agrees from prison...

https://www.cpr.org/2018/05/24/color...n-convictions/

Know the potential consequences before choosing to buck the law.

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Originally Posted by newracer

Doing anything now is a waste of time as the bill is likely to change before passing and becoming law.

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Yes, this bill is a "wish list" of everything they want. It's likely to be watered down when it comes up for debate. The issue of having to prove ownership of a firearm that a person has owned for decades is problematic and opponents of the bill are likely to point that out.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

In light of Bruen, I just can't figure out how these states keep doing this?

Maybe because their is no recourse against legislators on things like this?

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There is. Every two years on the first Tuesday of November. ;)

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

Yes, this bill is a "wish list" of everything they want. It's likely to be watered down when it comes up for debate. The issue of having to prove ownership of a firearm that a person has owned for decades is problematic and opponents of the bill are likely to point that out.



There is. Every two years on the first Tuesday of November. ;)

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You mean that "Vote" thing right?[ROFL3]

Stop pointing out the unconstitutional parts for them to fix.

Leaving in that language makes it easier for the courts to kill.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

Yes, this bill is a "wish list" of everything they want. It's likely to be watered down when it comes up for debate. The issue of having to prove ownership of a firearm that a person has owned for decades is problematic and opponents of the bill are likely to point that out.



There is. Every two years on the first Tuesday of November. ;)

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They won't water it down at all. Colorado government is as liberal as it gets. They will pass it in full and let the courts decide how much sticks. Then they'll fight that too.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

They won't water it down at all. Colorado government is as liberal as it gets. They will pass it in full and let the courts decide how much sticks. Then they'll fight that too.

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In the time between the bill being signed and the potential overturning by the courts, President Polis may be in his second term.

That is why he will sign it.

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Originally Posted by eddiememphis

Disregarding and ignoring existing law is how one ends up incarcerated, regardless of your feelings about the Constitutional legality of that law.

Jails have plenty of "sovereign citizens" in them.

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I am not a sovereign citizen, Its just that I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. I did not see an expiration date on that deal, or an exemption to disregarding it if some legislators, foreigners, or my neighbors tried to subvert the Constitution while using the legal and political framework to destroy it from within. The freedom thieves can only take what you willingly give away.

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Originally Posted by RussDXT

Who has a grenade launcher? I have missed that party.

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It's a bolt on muzzle device intended to launch rifle grenades via an overloaded blank.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

Yes, this bill is a "wish list" of everything they want. It's likely to be watered down when it comes up for debate. The issue of having to prove ownership of a firearm that a person has owned for decades is problematic and opponents of the bill are likely to point that out.



There is. Every two years on the first Tuesday of November. ;)

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I keep voting for the guy that has the "D" next to his name and things always seem to get worse. I can't figure it out.

It’s shocking how little media attention this has gotten and how few gun owners know about it. After reading this thread a couple days ago, I’ve mentioned it to 6-8 other shooters. In every case it was the first they’d heard of it.

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Originally Posted by Tim K

It’s shocking how little media attention this has gotten and how few gun owners know about it. After reading this thread a couple days ago, I’ve mentioned it to 6-8 other shooters. In every case it was the first they’d heard of it.

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What did you expect? back when the gunshow BGC / private sales was on the ballot. 90%+ of gun owners had no clue what the bill was. Or even aware what passage of it would do to casual sales, in CO.

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Originally Posted by Tim K

It’s shocking how little media attention this has gotten and how few gun owners know about it. After reading this thread a couple days ago, I’ve mentioned it to 6-8 other shooters. In every case it was the first they’d heard of it.

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This is the very reason I posted this. I am hoping that word of mouth from here will help get the message out. Tell your friends, tell your neighbors, their friends. Share with everyone you can.

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I keep voting for the guy that has the "D" next to his name and things always seem to get worse. I can't figure it out..

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Republicans: "We can't figure out why people aren't voting for us. We are the party of reasonableness and common sense."

Also Republicans: Missouri Republicans pass a rule requiring women to cover their arms in the state House chamber (yahoo.com)


EDITED TO ADD: Yes, I get that the above happened in Missouri and not in Colorado, but it illustrates what the modern Republican party has become, at least in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters. It's become the party of Lauren Boebert, MTG, Matt Gaetz and God help us, Donald Trump.

And we wonder why people vote for Democrats.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

Republicans: "We can't figure out why people aren't voting for us. We are the party of reasonableness and common sense."

Also Republicans: Missouri Republicans pass a rule requiring women to cover their arms in the state House chamber (yahoo.com)


EDITED TO ADD: Yes, I get that the above happened in Missouri and not in Colorado, but it illustrates what the modern Republican party has become, at least in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters. It's become the party of Lauren Boebert, MTG, Matt Gaetz and God help us, Donald Trump.

And we wonder why people vote for Democrats.

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Gross, Who wants females in government?

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Originally Posted by Joe_K

Gross, Who wants females in government?

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Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to vote!

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Originally Posted by eddiememphis

Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to vote!

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It's well known that women's hair emits rays that drive men mad.

Cover it up.Attachment 92605

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

Republicans: "We can't figure out why people aren't voting for us. We are the party of reasonableness and common sense."

Also Republicans: Missouri Republicans pass a rule requiring women to cover their arms in the state House chamber (yahoo.com)


EDITED TO ADD: Yes, I get that the above happened in Missouri and not in Colorado, but it illustrates what the modern Republican party has become, at least in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters. It's become the party of Lauren Boebert, MTG, Matt Gaetz and God help us, Donald Trump.

And we wonder why people vote for Democrats.

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WTF are you talking about? This is in NO way a republican party platform. Not one of those people you mentioned are in favor, or would be in favor, of requiring women to cover their arms.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

Republicans: "We can't figure out why people aren't voting for us. We are the party of reasonableness and common sense."

Also Republicans: Missouri Republicans pass a rule requiring women to cover their arms in the state House chamber (yahoo.com)


EDITED TO ADD: Yes, I get that the above happened in Missouri and not in Colorado, but it illustrates what the modern Republican party has become, at least in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters. It's become the party of Lauren Boebert, MTG, Matt Gaetz and God help us, Donald Trump.

And we wonder why people vote for Democrats.

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Missouri is a blue state pretending to be a red state. Lots of welfare and government entitlements with high taxes.

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Originally Posted by eddiememphis

Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to vote!

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One of the major death blows to the Republic.

I read the news online everyday, including 9news.com. How the hell did I miss THIS??
My heart sinks when I think about how Colorado has changed since I moved here in 2008. My kids have grown up here, it's all they know. My professional reputation resides here. Now, I'm not about to move to another state just because I want my ARs. I almost never shoot them. But the direction of the state will continue, and eventually we'll have the taxes and other things going on that make the bluest states so bad. I just lost my shooting range (Clear Creek in Dumont), because the state wants to close public lands to shooting, so the county cancelled the lease for my range. So now I can't practice for USPSA at my own range, take friends shooting in the mountains, or go shoot clays with my boys on Squaw Pass up above my house. That really stings, and I feel less free.

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Originally Posted by leightoncash

I read the news online everyday, including 9news.com. How the hell did I miss THIS??
My heart sinks when I think about how Colorado has changed since I moved here in 2008. My kids have grown up here, it's all they know. My professional reputation resides here. Now, I'm not about to move to another state just because I want my ARs. I almost never shoot them. But the direction of the state will continue, and eventually we'll have the taxes and other things going on that make the bluest states so bad. I just lost my shooting range (Clear Creek in Dumont), because the state wants to close public lands to shooting, so the county cancelled the lease for my range. So now I can't practice for USPSA at my own range, take friends shooting in the mountains, or go shoot clays with my boys on Squaw Pass up above my house. That really stings, and I feel less free.

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Originally Posted by leightoncash

I just lost my shooting range (Clear Creek in Dumont), because the state wants to close public lands to shooting, so the county cancelled the lease for my range.

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Sounds like a new range is being constructed in Dumont... https://www.co.clear-creek.co.us/719...Sport-Shooting

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Originally Posted by leightoncash

...or go shoot clays with my boys on Squaw Pass up above my house. That really stings, and I feel less free.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/new...rado-renaming/

Mestaa'Ėhehe Pass, you unforgivably racist monster!

This will likely pass. Review that list, decide what you want to own in the future, and buy it now.

Bumping this back up so everyone sees it. Maybe we should add some context to the thread name so it gets more attention? Something like “Proposed Colorado AWB?”

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Originally Posted by eddiememphis

Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to vote!

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It's not like they actually count the votes anymore. I honestly believe they stopped counting votes for POTUS after Carter got elected.

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Originally Posted by mahabali

Bumping this back up so everyone sees it. Maybe we should add some context to the thread name so it gets more attention? Something like “Proposed Colorado AWB?”

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Agreed and done.

I've always disliked vague or misleading thread titles.

This should also be in the Politics Forum, not general discussion.