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Invested a lot of time? I wouldn't say 15 minutes total "a lot". Its a lazy Saturday and I can't find this kind of entertainment on cable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
If I'm not playing devil's advocate, what am I? Maybe I'm an illegal loving liberal! [Help]
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Originally Posted by jhebrew
yes...votes. we are more and more of a dem, left leaning liberal state, especially with the commies coming in from cali. and the illegals who somehow get to vote. a higher hispanic population as well.
talk to them and you will find most of them have illegals in their family who are here or came here illegally.
it is all about votes. they don't give a shit about you or your opinion, they don't care what kind of situation we are in. even our CIC wants to just keep buying his way out of debt. people love the benefits and the freebies an the feel good, but those of us who are getting nothing back and giving everything are not happy about it.
not going to work. Hispanic voters generally vote for the dems. most of them know illegals, have them in their family, are descendants from some, or are illegal themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOC
illegal is illegal. bottom line. time to take a hard stance. letting little things go by here and there go us where we are at today.
I can't wait till I'm a minority and can start getting sweet benefits like this.
You'd know better than I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
^^^ This about sums it up. Bottom line is, they are going to push, and push, and push, and while it may not happen in my lifetime, Freedom loving AMERICANS are going to get sick and tired of it. What happens after that, is anyones guess, but it won't be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
this might sound like some more BS but can we fix the system before we, you, whoever pick on illegals.
in open for suggestions, and as far as building the fence goes lets volunteer to build it (if your not willing to help build stop complaining)
i can't wait to see what you have to say,
also if you want me to remove my post just ask i won't get butt hurt over it like some others
Fix the system as in, COMPLETELY seal the border, and then work on immigration policy, and figuring out how to deal with illegals already in the country? Sounds great to me. Now to convince the Maroons running this show to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
As far as removing your post is concerned, freedom loving Americans also appreciate the Constitution, and would NEVER ask you to remove your post. [Beer]
thank you, as far as what i meant seal the boarders and get rid of the retards in chargeQuote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
Sounds like a plan to me, i'd spend a couple weeks of vacation volunteering to help build the fence.Quote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
Honestly imp I view it as an invasion and not immigration. Border hoppers should be shot the second their feet hits us soil. Sorry if you don't like itQuote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
It's not my responsibility to spend my time and resources as an individual to build a fence along the border. That's why we hire people. You know? Politicians?
It's ludicrous to say that I (or anyone else) don't have the right to complain about our porous borders if I'm not willing to build a fence. Jesus Christ! That's why we pay taxes.
That's like saying I can't complain about air traffic controllers falling asleep on the job if I'm not willing to go sit in a tower. Or, because I don't like the way TSA has airport security all fucked up I should go out to DIA and start my own passenger screening process? You probably need to take just a minute and think about what you're saying.
And I'm pretty sure I don't care if anyone thinks I'm "picking on illegals". You're damn right! They're the ones crossing the border illegally. Who should I "pick on"? Jehovah's Witnesses?
I say forget the fence. Mine the border. This has been a serious problem since I was a kid in the 70s. 40 years is enough time to solve the problem. Our system isn't broken. Our elected officials are broken. We already have the laws in place to stop illegal immigration. We need national leadership with balls enough to enforce those laws.
lets stop calling them Illegal Immigrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Most of them are not immigrants. They are expatriates.
They come here, work, send money home and then leave.
They are Criminals like car thieves, Burglars, and Ponzi scheme brokers.
the fact that we have a Colorado Congresswoman that admits that members of her family are criminals and she advocates that behavior without LEGISLATING TO CHANGE THE LAWS. surely displays the level of "Fucked" we have attained.
do we need reform? yes. Make it easier to immigrate? yes
I've been through the system with 2 wives and its hell.
that doesnt mean we are allowed to skirt the law simply because we dont agree with it.
Follow it or change it.
I have no problem with immigrants who come here legally and follow the rules in place...regardless of where they're from.
can we get Dues' title changed to "part-time troll"? [Coffee]
This pissed me off when I heard it and two days later I'm still pissed.
Why do non-citizens have more benefits (in-state tuition) than citizens?
Why are the politicians not being brought up on "aiding and abetting a criminal" charges or the like?
Why is this open ended? If they had said for the next two years we will allow this to happen as part of an overhaul of our immigration system then it would be less difficult to choke on but open ended? That's not right.
I'm all for educating people, helping them escape the circle of poverty and allowing for a path to citizen ship but this just smacks me right in the stomach. We can afford to bomb yet another Muslim country, fight two wars but can't lower tuition costs for our own citizens yet can do it for illegals? WTF??? Why?
We need a grown up discussion on immigration but it won't happen until the politicians get around to it.
In my opinion you can't kick them all out... people will go into hiding even worse than they are now. A fence or mines across the border won't work either. Penn and Teller did a show where they built a copy of the proposed fence and had three teams cross. One over, one through, one under. I think the slowest team was still under 1m30sec. How can you catch, detain, process and release a never ending flood?
The system needs revamping as everyone knows but... how? who? when? I don't have the solution and haven't really seen an agreeable plan yet. There's going to be some sort of amnesty program, I don't see how you could bring change without that. I don't agree with it, don't like it, think it rewards criminals but... don't see how a change in immigration procedures would happen without some sort of amnesty. Unfortunalty anytime the subject is brought up the politicians hide behind party lines and fling poo at each other.
And there's the usual line of "well I guess you're parents are Native Americans and didn't migrate into the country". Bull shit. I have no way of knowing how my ancestors entered the country but that line still doesn't work. I don't know what the immigration process was 300 years ago. If you go back far enough then the "native" people migrated from current Siberia so, if you go back far enough, all our ancestors came from someplace else. Guess we're all Africans eh?
not what i ment, besides they leave Mexico to get away from people who wouldn't think twice to shoot them,Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
just to let you know i came here from a town (in Mexico) of around 2,000.
today the population is about 1,000 mostly woman and the men didn't come to the U.S.
I'm assuming you came here legally? I have no problem with that if that's the case. If you're here illegally, I have a huge problem with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
As for the rest...yeah, it sucks. But it's not the responsibility of the US to take in every person from every third-world shithole.
Glad to hear that as I'm a 'legal' immigrant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
For the record illegals piss me off too. What pisses me more though is the fact that we know where they are and do nothing about it!
I can't see how the CO Senate can support illegal students as you're supposed to show your immigration status for higher education - a student visa. Does that mean CO is performing an illegal action by doing this just the same as a business is doing so by employing an illegal.
A lot of libtards give AZ grief regarding their policies on illegals but don't realize its a Federal requirement to prove employment status not a state requirement.
My first day at work here in CO I had to show my Green Card! Not that I mind in the slightest.
Illegals - round them up and ship them out! If the libtards don't like it they should go South of the border too.
I have some very good friends here who recently moved from their home country. It cost them a fortune...not to mention the brain damage involved in completing all the necessary paperwork and such. I'm happy they're here.
I'm happy for anyone who gets to come here LEGALLY. It's the "legally" part that seems to confuse so many otherwise intelligent people.
And it does seem that any state legislator that would sponsor such an act should be criminally culpable.
And, like you, I have to prove my legal right to work here.
I'm with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
People always call me out on this because my family is 100% Italian. I am 2nd generation on both sides of my family and I still have a large portion of family in Naples Italy. I say build a big fence and not let anyone else in and deport those who are here illegally. People always then bring up my family to which I reply...
-Grandpa moved her legally from Sicily, and my other Grandpa moved her Legally from Naples.
- Both learned to speak English BEFORE they came over.
- Grandpa from Naples moved here first, got a job and worked hard. he then brought my grandmother over, who also spoke English by the way. After they were here my Grandfather opened his own poultry shop in Boston.
- When my parents were born, BOTH sides taught them Italian but also told them to only speak it in the house if they wanted too. You were NOT to speak it outside. Why? We are in America and Americans now! They were both so excited to be in America. This is also the reason why I don't speak Italian. They didnt share it as we are Americans now!
That's the type of immigration I am ALL for. Everyone else and go away.
oh and build a fence at the Canadian boarder as well. Damn beavers coming down here trying to steal our Lord Stanley
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The left relishes illegal immigration b/c illegal immigration violates so many of the high standards that this country once held.
I've had to prove my citizenship status and legal right to work in the last 2 positions I've been employed in. All this while maintaining a U.S. Government security clearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I'm of Viking heritage we got here before Columbus.
Why would I joke about that? There is way to much fraud going on in the elections not to police it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
OK that explain to me why the US is involved in the middle east
Absolutely ridiculous. But as soon as you oppose it you are accused of being racist and a civil rights violator. This pisses me off.
WTF does that have to do with illegally crossing the border here due to violence in Mexico? Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
And I see you didn't answer the question as to whether or not you're here legally.
Guess they are stuck between the drug cartels and aguy who couldn't give a shot. There is a process in place. They love to reap the benefits of our system and I am tired of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
If you went through the process to come here legally then you obviously know how it is done and that it can be done. So I assume there shouldn't be any excuses.
Nothing to do with BG statement or questions. We are over there for terrorists, democracy (questionable), give those people a better life in their own country(I don't want them here and really don't care...I would much rather have our troops home shootin the southern invaders.), and we are there for oil and probably other reasons unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
Now what does that have to do with illegals that rape our system?
terrorist? than what about the U.S. trained gang know as los zetasQuote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
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Originally Posted by sniper7
I used the "illegals are raping us" analogy today at work. It is exactly what they are doing. I read a story in a New Mexico paper today. 1 in 5 "New Mexicans" are on food stamps. Oh yeah, NM gives illegals driver's licenses too.
They get them here in CO as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart
2 weeks ago I caught a guy dumping trash out near where my dad lives. I was out riding 4 wheelers with my dad and we were up on a hill talking to a neighbor. I see the guy driving down the road and he starts tossing stuff out the window. I didn't know he was hispanic, I just knew he was dumping trash. I flew down the hill and cut him off at the end of the road and starting going off. he kept saying "no english" so I asked if he wants to me call the police or if he is going to pick up his trash and never come through this area again. the word police gave him instant english understanding.
he turned around (which I was surprised he stopped and surprised he went back) and was picking up some of the trash and I started pointing out more trash he needed to pick up and he was complaining and saying things in spanish so I said screw it and called the sheriff.
While waiting, his daughter comes out and starts complaining that he didn't understand and she needs to go to class and blah blah blah. I tell her I don't give 2 shits since her dad broke the law and is dumping trash.
2 sheriffs show up and question the guy, all they can do is run his license plate and license. come to find out he is not here legally. while that is going on his son and wife show up in a Cadillac escalade.
I just laugh because then all of them got their plates and licenses checked except the mom because she wasn't driving a vehicle. the son was.
the shitty part is even though he wasn't here legally, they couldn't do anything about it other than alert immigration guys but couldn't detain him for that.
FUCK the illegals. every single one of them.
That's it, keep trying to change the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
You probably know, aid and abet illegal scum that is trying to steal whatever they can, including an 'education'.
Maybe instead of plundering this country you should return to your 3rd world shithole to try to make it better. But that would be work, can't be doing that when you can coast for free in this country.
dude you haven't answered if you are here legally or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by porfiriozg
if you aren't I surely hope you are not in possession of a firearm.
maybe you are in los zetas. I have never heard of em.
you asked why were were in the middle east. last time I checked pretty much every airplane related terrorist act has been committed by muslim males between the ages of 18 and 40. yet we don't profile.
I can only assume from seeing on the news, reading the statistics and noticing the location of mexico that mexicans are the majority of illegal immigrants and should be our major target to keep out of the country and remove from the country.
I can also only assume you are hiding your background since you won't answer a simple question.
talking to you is like talking to a politician, no results and only serves to piss me off.
yes I'm here legally you wanna check my papers
no i don't aid and abet illegals hell I'm the first to call I.C.E. only to have them check all my paper when they ask are you a citizen.
you as a citizen should fix your country before the politicians sell it all
the only difference between me and you is I'm a recent immigrant.
I seriously doubt anyone gives a rat's ass they've pissed you off. I don't.
'Bout time you answered the question.
The remainder of your post is the typical bullshit I've come to expect from you. At least you're consistent.
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Originally Posted by porfiriozg
sure, lets see the papers. it took you long enough to produce an answer it felt like we were searching for obamas birth certificate for a while...
you just waiting for the right time to attack? sounds like a great political move to me.
and believe me, there are a lot more differences than our backgrounds.
Its kind of amazing to me you actually run a business. I have never, ever seen someone attempt to represent their business in such a poor manner. For awhile there I thought you just called yourself Bailey Guns for fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns