Police State 4A Dead!

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Originally Posted by colocowboy01

What do the cops think about this? It makes their jobs easier, and screws the civilians, so it sounds like a win-win situation to me.
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There have been a couple of us commenting already on here...

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Originally Posted by CMP_5.56

I hope people don't take this as an anti cop thread. It's not, it is an anti lawmaker thread. This is a blatant case of lawmakers abusing their power. And wiping their ass with the Constitution.

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This wasn't a law enacted by their legislature. It was a ruling from their state Supreme Court on a case that went up to them from the lower courts.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

I see what you are saying and given very little information, the officer could have entered upon exigent circumstances, even if only in the entry way to check the welfare of both parties, then left without causing further problems, but for some reason the court ruled that is was okay for officers to enter no-matter what and if they are wrong just fight it in court later...I disagree with that notion.

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Yep!

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Originally Posted by CMP_5.56

I hope people don't take this as an anti cop thread. It's not, it is an anti lawmaker thread. This is a blatant case of lawmakers abusing their power. And wiping their ass with the Constitution.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

I think the implications are even more than that...the branch of government that is supposed to interpret the right or wrong of something acted as a legislature, which is why this needs to go to the US Supreme Court

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OneGuy & KevDen are right. Remember we have 3 branches of government: Executive (to apply the laws), Legislative (to make the laws), and the Judicial (to interpret laws and provide for justice [to state this ultra simply: determine guilt or innocence and ensure RIGHTS are not violated in the process]).

Law Enforcement falls under the Executive branch. THANK HEAVENS this branch isn't part of THIS discussion.

The courts are part of the Judicial system are are NOT supposed to be legislating from the bench. But, this is exactly what they've done in this case.

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Originally Posted by rockhound

the ruling is off, but i have to say that the incident that spurred it on was also off.

if the police officer is there to investigate a domestic violence complaint there is no way they are going to take the husbands word that the wife is ok and doesn't need their help.

in that instance i would say the cop is in the right to enter the home.

now no defense against any entry by LEO is way off.

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As KevDen stated/implied, the fact that this ruling specifically says citizens have "no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes" is the biggest crux here. Unlawful is the key. I can't see this standing and not getting stuck dow by the U.S. Court of Appeals. If it does, liberty is truly dead.

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Originally Posted by Uberjager

Wow! Not a single crazy sh#&bird in this thread stating you shouldn't be upset, if you have nothing to hide.

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

you guys need to cut this anti cop spew.

if you have nothing to hide you should welcome them in and thank them for their service.

and if you don't want them in your home then, well... you must have something to hide.

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Well I'm glad you two are ok with having no personal space. [Beer] I for one am glad that a law enforcement officer cannot invade my space without a very good reason and in most cases, a warrant. I don't have anything to hide, but my space is plain and simply black and white, my space call it greed or whatever you want, but come into my house uninvited and you're in trouble.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

All I'm going to say is that I think it is a really bad ruling by the Indian Supreme Court and I have no doubt, giving the implications of the ruling, the dissenting opinions, and the precedent of case law before it that this will be appealed. I certainly don't agree with the ruling at all.

As for Colorado (and I would assume other states as well) there are really specific guidelines that an officer must follow before entering a home without a warrant and in many of those cases a warrant will still be needed.

That's all I have to say on that because I can see already the anti-police BS is already starting, even though probably all the LEO's are gonna be thinking the same thing the non-LEO's are.

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Unfortunately the cops there are going to be hated even more for the stupid ruling. That sucks because I am guessing that most of the cops there think it is a stupid rule also.

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

In before cop-bashing thread locked.

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I just thought this was funny. [Beer]

The only thing that surprises me is that this didn't happen in Kommiefornia.

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Originally Posted by Guylee

The only thing that surprises me is that this didn't happen in Kommiefornia yet.

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Fixed.

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Originally Posted by Elhuero http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/images...s/viewpost.gif
you guys need to cut this anti cop spew.

if you have nothing to hide you should welcome them in and thank them for their service.

and if you don't want them in your home then, well... you must have something to hide.

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Originally Posted by spyder

Well I'm glad you two are ok with having no personal space.

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Spyder, you should probably go read this. [Beer]

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Spyder, you should probably go read this. [Beer]

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That is actually pretty funny

I fear the day that the Colorado Legislative body allows something like this... In our town there are several cops that would preform an illegal entry on BS grounds... not bashing all cops, but when a department sends it's rookies right off FTO to our mountain community and a number of them are overly eager and ambitious to prove themselves worthy to work in West Denver they tend to bend rules and become too aggressive for how low our crime rate is. I've seen it several times, especially when a new deputy becomes an SRO and questions a minor without parental consent.
Enter my house illegally and you put me in hot water, I'll have to defend myself in court for killing a cop on the grounds that I thought they were corrupt and wanted to violate any and all rights I had. I keep 3 loaded weapons in easy reach at all times, despite having a low crime rate we have had a lot of larceny and home invasions recently.

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Originally Posted by theGinsue

As KevDen stated/implied, the fact that this ruling specifically says citizens have "no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes" is the biggest crux here. Unlawful is the key. I can't see this standing and not getting stuck dow by the U.S. Court of Appeals. If it does, liberty is truly dead.

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I have a question for those of you in law enforcement.

Is there a point at which the law becomes so convoluted, wrong and just downright evil that you will feel the need to leave law enforcement?

If so would this be one of those things (assuming its upheld by the USCOA or even SCOTUS)?

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I have a question for those of you in law enforcement.

Is there a point at which the law becomes so convoluted, wrong and just downright evil that you will feel the need to leave law enforcement?

If so would this be one of those things (assuming its upheld by the USCOA or even SCOTUS)?

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Uh, probably not going to be upheld by the Supreme Court based on it saying that Officers can enter no matter what.

Just because this ruling may be in effect I would still only enter the premises upon warrant, exigent circumstances, consent, probable cause....

See my other post about not wanting my name versus someone else going to the Supreme Court...not going to risk everything for something stupid...I think most officers are on the same page. Yes, there are some bad cops out there, I get it, we talk about it every time, and you and I both want them gone.

I would need a better example of such an EVIL law before I left. Mind you, if people that work in the field that oppose it start leaving then the crappier cops replace us. We can't help fix anything if we aren't apart of the system.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

Mind you, if people that work in the field that oppose it start leaving then the crappier cops replace us. We can't help fix anything if we aren't apart of the system.

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That's a good point. However I don't know how an officer can fix the system any more than any other citizen (other than not being dicks themselves).

I guess my point is that at some point if the system becomes too corrupt than being part of that system makes one just as corrupt.

No I don't think the system is anywhere near that bad, but we're clearly headed in that direction.

At what point does America stop being America?

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Originally Posted by Outlaw1

At what point does America stop being America?

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Everyone has to choose sides during a Civil War. I pray we don't get to that point.

This is not the worst it has ever been and I hope we can all keep some historical perspective. One state supreme court ruling in Indiana does not end the American experiment.

As to the question on what laws will cops enforce or not enforce... Most officers make those decisions everyday. Officer's discretion is still alive and well in most places. Zero tolerance on some laws takes that discretion away. Almost everytime some drunk got arrested you can be certain that at least the drunk thought the cop was an a**hole.

Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.

Did anyone ever lie to you and tell you life was supposed to be fair?

Perhaps what G.Gordon Liddy said some years ago has a lot of validity now with this ruling on the books.

They've got a big target on there: ATF. Don't shoot at that because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shot, head shots.”http://thinkexist.com/i/sq/as4.gif G. Gordon Liddy quote

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I guess my point is that at some point if the system becomes too corrupt than being part of that system makes one just as corrupt.

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I would never work for the TSA or ATF. Not that either one would want me.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I would never work for the TSA or ATF. Not that either one would want me.

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ATF kinda makes me laugh- they regulate what some consider the most dangerous legal items in America... I say the most dangerous legal item is power. The best correlation for that would be the whole if you give a mouse a cookie...

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

That's a good point. However I don't know how an officer can fix the system any more than any other citizen (other than not being dicks themselves).

I guess my point is that at some point if the system becomes too corrupt than being part of that system makes one just as corrupt.

No I don't think the system is anywhere near that bad, but we're clearly headed in that direction.

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I surely don't think we are at the worst point yet. We may or may not be heading in that direction but I think that won't be something we deal with in our lifetimes. However, it's not like you and I and everyone else on here are preparing for the "just in case."

Just because I do one thing at work doesn't mean I don't get poor police service when I need something...just the other day I did and I won't go into detail about it.

I think if the situation was bad enough it would be a "civil war" type of scenario. I have no doubt there would be horrible violence in the streets. I hope you understand that myself, and probably every other cop on here, would be right by your side in the fight to restore the country we love to put it back together.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

I surely don't think we are at the worst point yet. We may or may not be heading in that direction but I think that won't be something we deal with in our lifetimes. However, it's not like you and I and everyone else on here are preparing for the "just in case."

Just because I do one thing at work doesn't mean I don't get poor police service when I need something...just the other day I did and I won't go into detail about it.

I think if the situation was bad enough it would be a "civil war" type of scenario. I have no doubt there would be horrible violence in the streets. I hope you understand that myself, and probably every other cop on here, would be right by your side in the fight to restore the country we love to put it back together.

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well as I've heard others point out, the U.S. has weathered tough times before. But this has been as bad as it's been since I was a baby.

Sure, gas is over $4 a gallon, but there are no lines around the block to get it.

funny sidenote .... watched good will hunting the other day. in the film he says "And, of course, the oil companies used the skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon." I laughed out, and loud. $2.50 gas would be great right now.

we'll get through this, but whether it'll get worse before it gets better... I don't know.

From the aftermath of katrina, news items and videos of civilian/police interactions and posts from leos I've been seeing on other boards, the us vs. them gap is very real, and getting wider little by little.

But even with the chance that things could get really bad, I am still filled with hope... because of your last paragraph