Police State 4A Dead!

[Zundfolge]

As KevDen stated/implied, the fact that this ruling specifically says citizens have "no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes" is the biggest crux here. Unlawful is the key. I can't see this standing and not getting stuck dow by the U.S. Court of Appeals. If it does, liberty is truly dead.

I have a question for those of you in law enforcement.

Is there a point at which the law becomes so convoluted, wrong and just downright evil that you will feel the need to leave law enforcement?

If so would this be one of those things (assuming its upheld by the USCOA or even SCOTUS)?

[KevDen2005]

I have a question for those of you in law enforcement.

Is there a point at which the law becomes so convoluted, wrong and just downright evil that you will feel the need to leave law enforcement?

If so would this be one of those things (assuming its upheld by the USCOA or even SCOTUS)?

Uh, probably not going to be upheld by the Supreme Court based on it saying that Officers can enter no matter what.

Just because this ruling may be in effect I would still only enter the premises upon warrant, exigent circumstances, consent, probable cause....

See my other post about not wanting my name versus someone else going to the Supreme Court...not going to risk everything for something stupid...I think most officers are on the same page. Yes, there are some bad cops out there, I get it, we talk about it every time, and you and I both want them gone.

I would need a better example of such an EVIL law before I left. Mind you, if people that work in the field that oppose it start leaving then the crappier cops replace us. We can't help fix anything if we aren't apart of the system.

[Zundfolge]

Mind you, if people that work in the field that oppose it start leaving then the crappier cops replace us. We can't help fix anything if we aren't apart of the system.

That's a good point. However I don't know how an officer can fix the system any more than any other citizen (other than not being dicks themselves).

I guess my point is that at some point if the system becomes too corrupt than being part of that system makes one just as corrupt.

No I don't think the system is anywhere near that bad, but we're clearly headed in that direction.

[Outlaw1]

At what point does America stop being America?

[cstone]

At what point does America stop being America?

Everyone has to choose sides during a Civil War. I pray we don't get to that point.

This is not the worst it has ever been and I hope we can all keep some historical perspective. One state supreme court ruling in Indiana does not end the American experiment.

As to the question on what laws will cops enforce or not enforce... Most officers make those decisions everyday. Officer's discretion is still alive and well in most places. Zero tolerance on some laws takes that discretion away. Almost everytime some drunk got arrested you can be certain that at least the drunk thought the cop was an a**hole.

Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.

Did anyone ever lie to you and tell you life was supposed to be fair?

[daddygat]

Perhaps what G.Gordon Liddy said some years ago has a lot of validity now with this ruling on the books.

They've got a big target on there: ATF. Don't shoot at that because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shot, head shots.” G. Gordon Liddy quote

[Irving]

I guess my point is that at some point if the system becomes too corrupt than being part of that system makes one just as corrupt.

I would never work for the TSA or ATF. Not that either one would want me.

[Ronin13]

I would never work for the TSA or ATF. Not that either one would want me.

ATF kinda makes me laugh- they regulate what some consider the most dangerous legal items in America... I say the most dangerous legal item is power. The best correlation for that would be the whole if you give a mouse a cookie...

[KevDen2005]

That's a good point. However I don't know how an officer can fix the system any more than any other citizen (other than not being dicks themselves).

I guess my point is that at some point if the system becomes too corrupt than being part of that system makes one just as corrupt.

No I don't think the system is anywhere near that bad, but we're clearly headed in that direction.

I surely don't think we are at the worst point yet. We may or may not be heading in that direction but I think that won't be something we deal with in our lifetimes. However, it's not like you and I and everyone else on here are preparing for the "just in case."

Just because I do one thing at work doesn't mean I don't get poor police service when I need something...just the other day I did and I won't go into detail about it.

I think if the situation was bad enough it would be a "civil war" type of scenario. I have no doubt there would be horrible violence in the streets. I hope you understand that myself, and probably every other cop on here, would be right by your side in the fight to restore the country we love to put it back together.

[Elhuero]

I surely don't think we are at the worst point yet. We may or may not be heading in that direction but I think that won't be something we deal with in our lifetimes. However, it's not like you and I and everyone else on here are preparing for the "just in case."

Just because I do one thing at work doesn't mean I don't get poor police service when I need something...just the other day I did and I won't go into detail about it.

I think if the situation was bad enough it would be a "civil war" type of scenario. I have no doubt there would be horrible violence in the streets. I hope you understand that myself, and probably every other cop on here, would be right by your side in the fight to restore the country we love to put it back together.

well as I've heard others point out, the U.S. has weathered tough times before. But this has been as bad as it's been since I was a baby.

Sure, gas is over $4 a gallon, but there are no lines around the block to get it.

funny sidenote .... watched good will hunting the other day. in the film he says "And, of course, the oil companies used the skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon." I laughed out, and loud. $2.50 gas would be great right now.

we'll get through this, but whether it'll get worse before it gets better... I don't know.

From the aftermath of katrina, news items and videos of civilian/police interactions and posts from leos I've been seeing on other boards, the us vs. them gap is very real, and getting wider little by little.

But even with the chance that things could get really bad, I am still filled with hope... because of your last paragraph