Thanks for sharing, honestly. And shit man, tell your fellow believers..umm...participants in Satanism to change the name and you will have a crowd from the sounds of it. [ROFL1]
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Thanks for sharing, honestly. And shit man, tell your fellow believers..umm...participants in Satanism to change the name and you will have a crowd from the sounds of it. [ROFL1]
I don't think there's anything wrong with telling someone "Hey, I've discovered a wonderful way to live and believe ... it makes me happy and works real well for me, so if you're looking for something you might give this a go." Where it breaks down is when they reply "No thank you." and you don't just drop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavite1
As a Christian I am only given one job by God and that is to spread the Gospel (which is Greek for "Good News" ... and who could object to Good News?).
Over the years too many Christians have twisted that to mean they need to force conversions and/or beat people over the head with the entire teachings of Christ (or even worse, harangue people over their sins). This is demonstrably wrong ... basically all I should do is offer to share what I know and not pester people further that aren't interested (but you're not going to know who is not interested if you don't ask).
This brings me back to my original point. Satanists and Christians can easily be neighbors ... share a meal ... have kids that play together in the park... engage in commerce, etc. Same thing goes for Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Zoroastrians etc.
There is only ONE kid that can't play nice in the sandbox and still be in obedience to their own religion, and that's Mohammad's crew.
Truer words were never spoken. I politely ask Jehova's Witnesses to leave my property, I'm not interested, they still try to push their ideals on me until I say "I asked nicely, please leave, I'm not interested.... I own guns..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
When the day comes that some towel headed, camel sodomizer arrives at my house with his message of "convert or die" I won't ask him to leave politely!
Satanism (while the name is misleading) sure doesn't sound all too bad, be happy, live, die, provide for new life. Sounds to me like what happened to Paganism during the era of Roman Catholic purge... Pagan=Satan, therefore evil. When in real life, Paganism is the sacred worship of Earth and all living things (with more respect given to women than most religions of that time). Hence why I really like, and consider following Norse Paganism. Besides, Mohammad thinks he soo cool with his Wahhabi bandits... try and face off against guys named Odin, Thor, Tyr and Frigg (names still in use today BTW: Odin's Day= Wednesday, Tyr's Day= Tuesday, Thor's Day= Thursday, Frigg's Day= Friday).
Well, this has proven the concept of never talking about religion, sex or politics. I think the only reason why most of our political discussions don't go like this is because most of us are on the same side of the fence on it.
I choose many paths and accept many things in my life. I accept that gays can do whatever with whomever they want and I choose to believe they will burn for it - this being said I have quite a few gay friends who I adore but just don't agree with. I accept that liberals are entitled to their view but I believe they are wrong and I choose to not associate with them. I accept bellavite1 (meaning Beautiful Vine) has every right to believe in and practice Satanism but I choose to disassociate myself with Satanists - and while bellavite1 paints a very rosy picture of Satanism, I can tell you I knew many where I grew up who were true occultists and even as an athiest at the time I found it a foul practice. This isn't to say the bellavite1 is an occultist - by his own admission - perhaps it is just my own ignorance towards their non occultist practices that keeps me from acceptance of it.
So, that being said, and pointing back to the original theme of the thread, all of these folks have a right to believe in what they want, including the Islamist. And, Ronin, if they do "rise up" and defeat us then while it is a sad day it is "destiny" (and not in the God meaning of that word), perhaps that destiny is what causes the sheeple to actually stand up and fight for their rights - and maybe this isn't a bad thing. I have had my fill of killing to go and start a new crusade against Islam for no other reason than the Quran.
You know, the Bible says "go forth and make Christians of all nations" and while there are some religious believers that do, the vast majority do not (and really, how harmful is it to do so?), how can I believe that Muslims don't do the same thing and sit on the fence on certain scriptural topics like killing all who do not believe? Wasn't there a movie about judging those who were going to commit a crime before it ever happened - Minority Report?
When we see the uprising of Islam in the U.S. and get much closer to the brink then I'm right there with you Ronin, I'll gladly man my weapon and die free (which also goes for the threat to any of my other rights as well), but until then I'm not going to commit genocide just in case.
you guys are wildly racist against muslims.........lot of misinformation in here all the muslims i know are just normal dudes not part of some sort of terrorist network lots of fox news watchers in here
Well then its okay, because you're muslim friends are super cool. Look up Anjem Choudary. He wants our blood in the name of Islam, as a Muslim. If I'm racist because I guard a set of ideals and a lifestyle in this country that I love, sign this brother up, I'm a racist in your eyes and it really doesn't matter to me what you think. Muslims are racist too, anything not Muslim is 'less than' and must submit or else...Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Look up Fred Phelps, etc etc. I try not to judge an entire group on a YouTube video made by one particular crackpot.Quote:
Originally Posted by UberTong
Islam is not to be trusted. PERIODQuote:
Originally Posted by cofi
I know a gent from the eastern coast of Africa, he is Christian. We were discussing Islam one day and he made an interesting statement. "Americans don't understand, you are being quietly invaded by Muslims. I had many many Muslims that I knew at home and while they may claim to be a friend they will always be Muslim and unless you are, you are less, an Infidel."
I was just listening to a very interesting oration on the Mosque uproar in TN. Over one hundred mosques in the US were covertly infiltrated by US entities. They were monitored for adherence to Sharia law and reference and support to Jihaad.
Eighty one out of one hundred exhibited adherence to Sharia and support for Jihaad.
81 out of 100.
Kind of like southeast Asia. Out of 38 species or so of snakes 35 are venomous. How do you tell the venomous ones apart from the non?
With that kind of ratio you can't afford to be cautious.
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You lose.
Furthermore, if there is a "lot of misinformation in here" on Islam, I challenge you to point it out ... please cite Sura and Verse.
The difference is, I can prove within the context of Christian teaching that Fred Phelps is wrong. Likewise I can prove that within the context of Islamic teaching that Anjem Choudary's position is both correct and mainstream.Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
I think the overall point I keep trying to get to is that one of the wonderful things about Western Civilization is pluralism ... religious freedom ... tolerance. Islam is incompatible with these things and thus is incompatible with Western Civilization. One or the other will have to yield.
Please look up the definition of the term racist. Being a racist implies you feel your race is superior to another. So to talk about religion, and more to the point, a societal belief structure, (Islam is a societal belief structure, not a religion) has nothing at all to do with racism. Muslims make it a point to tell westerners that not all muslims are the same race. So by definition alone, to call people on here racist for not agreeing with Islam is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Furthermore, there is all this talk about our constitutional rights, and the freedom of religion. To say that not allowing a societal belief structure into our country is not the same as denying a religion. Part of the bill of rights and the constitution that should be common sense, is the fact all rights are based on you living within our laws. Those who chose to live outside our laws forfeit said rights. Basically, you have those rights as long as they do not infringe on other peoples rights. If we are to believe what we are told, Islam infringes on our laws and our rights.
I know quite a few Muslims, and they are nice people. I will admit, i am always waiting for the other shoe to drop though.
I personally have a belief system that is based heavily in Asatru. (Norse paganism) Though i grew up a Christian. When one looks at religions of the world there is a common thread in all of them. Christians call it the golden rule, do unto others, as you would have others do unto you. Every religion, eastern ones as well, have this common sense view of right and wrong. They also have the same view of humans being mistake prone. And all state that when you make those mistake you seek to better yourself.
All religions, except Islam that is. I have not read the full Qua' ran, but I have read enough. It plainly states, which was quoted above, that all infidels are to be converted, or killed. And it is the only religious text, that I have knowledge of, that states such a thing.
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Further thought on quoted text leads me to believe it is the most racist statement in this thread. Obviously, you are the one here that believes all Muslims are middle eastern.
Thank you, again you are spot on Zundfolge and bptactical as well. Couldn't have said it any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
But can you prove that all Muslims adhere to the same position? If they do, even the ones who live in the West and have pretty much integrated into our way of life, we're talking about a conspiracy of silence without equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
I'm confuzzled.
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Originally Posted by ubertong
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Originally Posted by UberTong
A Muslim that does not adhere to the Koran's position on infidels, jihad and the call for a global caliphate may call themselves a Muslim but they are as much of a Muslim (that being one who submits to Allah) as someone that claims to be a Christian but believes that there was no Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
I guess one could hold out hope for some sort of "Islamic Reformation" but it would probably require a new prophet. Maybe someone could appear on the scene that most Muslims accept as the Mahdi ... but instead of ushering in Armageddon they instead turn Islam back toward a path of peaceful coexistance with non Muslims. Of course this would make about as much sense as Christ returning and telling all Christians to become Buddhists.
I do not normally weigh in on topics of religion since I am somewhat of a weird mixed bag. (think the christian and buddist have a kid)
I do invite everyone to spend a year or more in the sandbox and then form your opinion. I will leave it at that. [Flower]
Personally I am glad to see some hackles get raised.
The American Dream and lifestyle incrementally destroyed because we have become a country of pussies.
We are being forced to accept everybody else's way of life while ours is lost.
We are watching America slowly turn into a third world shithole.
We secure other countries borders and not our own.
We have an administration that is trying their dammed best to "Fundamentally Change America".
We have become a country of compromise instead of strength.
We were the strongest manufacturing base and now we can't even seem to make a lightbulb.
Its about time somebody got some balls and said something.
This is America and we are Americans.
If you don't like it you have two choices.
Both involve leaving America.
One by your own power.
One by six.
You decide
I say that a locality should be able to say no to a mosque. I sure as hell don't want one anywhere near me.
As I've said in the past, Political Correctness = Cultural Suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Because of PC we've forgot that the word "discriminate" has multiple meanings.
The politically correct have spent so much energy trying so hard not to do definition 2 that they become incapable of definition 1 (especially 1b).Quote:
Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster
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Originally Posted by sneakerd
Too late here, my old dentist office 4 blocks away from me is now a Mosque.
Since 9/11 there have been in excess of 3000 building permits issued for Mosque's in the US.
In contrast there have been about 400 for traditional churches/chapels/synagogues.
Do the math.
BP, You could not be more spot on...you just vocalized my feelings and said it better than I could have, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Jake, you are probably confused because I didn't say what you quoted me for:Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
Originally Posted by ubertong
I accept that gays can do whatever with whomever they want and I choose to believe they will burn for it
Before you quote me, make sure its me. I believe Zundfolge made the above comment.
Twas not I (I don't believe that Gays will automatically burn ... we're all sinners, none of us is perfect. Rejection of Christ is the ONLY reason people "burn", so yes I'm saying that Gays can also be Christians ... just like Adulterers, Liars, Thieves, Murderers or any other sinners ... even people like me)Quote:
Originally Posted by UberTong
Haha, you're right. I apologize. I would say I was drunk but I don't drink because of my reli... well, anyway.
Hey sorry Z, wasn't trying to bus roll ya buddy. I thought you said it, I know it wasn't me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Nah, ranger made the original comment, for some reason I thought it was ubertong and so I found his agreement with your comments about the WBC strange. But I'm a liberal so reading comprehension is just one of my many deficiencies ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
No problem Jake, it was Ranger that said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
Ah, yes it was Ranger.Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
And as for his comment, it was pretty clear to me he was saying that we are all free to choose how to live, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with your choices (nor you mine), just that I can't stop you from making them.
Political Correctness tends to claim that not only do I have to respect your right to decide how to live, once you've picked something (especially something I find detestable) I have to endorse, encourage, support and ultimately agree with your life choices.
Exactly. I have my beliefs and everyone else has theirs and everyone is correct in their own beliefs. I really have nothing against gays - like I said I have many friends who are - I just think it's clearly laid out in the book that I, personally, believe in. This doesn't mean I'm going to go and slaughter them all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
As for the 3000 mosques that are being built and the assumption that Islam will rise in the US and strive to destroy the infidels - well, this may be true and I'll deal with that when it's time to deal with that. This is not a pacifist position but a position in which I believe in the ideals of America even if they don't suit me or cave on themselves and create a threat for the country I love. I can't sacrifice one right without being willing to sacrifice them all - so if I were to go on a killing spree and tell myself that I'm protecting America by doing so then how do I legitimately object when the government decides that Christians are a threat and does the same thing? It's a dangerous precedent that we set when we start to wiggle around the framework and laws and start doing our own thing because we feel something is out of control and it's up to us to fix it.
I'm no lover of Islam or their practices, but good or bad this is a free country and they have the freedom to rise to power and try to destroy us (isn't our "muslim or not" president doing that already?). This may mean that I have to fight to survive when our own freedoms may become our very downfall, but that is the price I pay to be an American.
This can be viewed as attack then invade. It's a classic military tactic that we ourselves have used in the past- (Recent example: Shock and Awe preceding the invasion of Iraq.)Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
A healthy distrust of Muslims is fully warranted, considering (forgive me for not remembering who said it) because their way of life (not religion) is contrary to our society we enjoy as Americans. Furthermore, not sure if people know this, but their depravity goes on here as well... a man was nearly evicted from his community for claiming that his neighbor's ex-wife be stoned to death for cheating on her "lawful husband" and there are countless tales of Muslim families without permission removing certain "lady parts" from their daughters because it removes "temptation" right here in the USA! Why there is not a bigger outcry over this is beyond my comprehension.
And to retort to jerrymrc, I have spent a year in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, and have formed my opinion not just from living among it, but also dealing with them -and the moral issues that come with being an American in a country that has different customs than we do- case in point: the moral dilemma of dealing with a mob of angry villagers who are out for blood after a boy from another village "disgraced" one of the elders' granddaughters... what exactly happened is wishy washy, but we surmised that he saw her without much clothing on and smiled at her. It's a violent society that uses extreme punishment for things that over here are usually dealt with outside the court- such as unfaithfulness, blasphemy, etc.
Also- side note: I did read an intelligence report that some German soldiers wanted to detain a village elder for cutting out one of his fellow villagers tongues because he spoke out against Allah and desperately wanted to become a Christian.
One thing many don't realize and it really comes to light over the proposed Mosque a couple of blocks away from ground zero: it is Islamic tradition to build a Mosque at a site of Islamic victory in battle.
Slap in the face.
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That's interesting, I didn't know that until you brought it up and I did some research on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Almost a s*** all over you move by them... I remember that was my sole argument against it. Victory huh? I still don't see any Islamic republics that possess thermo-nuclear weapons... Maybe we should give them some- fastest delivery method is the Minuteman II... it could be there in about the same time it takes Dominos to deliver a hot pizza.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
(No I'm not advocating actually using nuclear weapons against Muslim countries... or am I?)
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
As someone who has lived in three Islamic countries, and was a fairly easy (blond American) target, that wasn't even remotely my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Totally forgot about those cheesedi*ks! Ok, so now we tread softly and carry a big stick. Worst part about that is, Pakistan is about one revolution away from becoming a hardline anti-western republic and that could spell doom for us if some Taliban Supporting, Al Qaeda loving Jihadi gets into power (I'm talking openly supporting, not this playing both sides crap that goes on now).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Now you see why we bend over backward (and sometimes forward) to work with the Pakis.
Thing is their neighbors (India) have Nukes too and they don't much like the muzzies so if Pakistan gets too far out of whack its gonna get messy out there.
You just weren't there long enough to get to the "Eventually" part.[Muaha]Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
Be it a radical cleric or a US "soccer mom" Muslim you are an Infidel and you are less in their eyes.
I firmly believe that the influx of Islam into the US post 9/11 is by design. We have been quietly invaded and our dumbass Government has allowed if not encouraged it.
You hear about clowns like the guy from Aurora that got popped planning to blow up the subway in NY.
You don't hear about how many "sleeper" cells are in this country. They are here no doubt, awaiting the time to go live.
Every major city in the US has a substantial Islamic community. And I can guarantee that not all are of the "Can't we just get along" mentality.
And the media and Gooberment will act surprised when it happens.
I won't.
There is a reason I won't go to a major sporting event, a mall or travel abroad.
18 years provided ample opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
I spoke with my wife by phone yesterday as she is on a research project in Indonesia, which has more muslims than any country on earth. She said that three years ago when she was there, people had a definite opinion of Americans, be it positive or negative - some of each, but everyone had a viewpoint. She said there's been a palpable change in the past few years. The economy is absolutely thriving over there, trade with other neighbor nations is booming, and as far as viewpoints on America - completely nonexistent, as if the U.S. doesn't exist, -like asking your average person in Denver what they thought of the game in Latvia last week.
While there are definitely terrorists in the world that want nothing more than to do the U.S. harm, there are a great many muslims who are busy running their tech firms, their pharmaceutical companies, Etc. rather than concerning themselves with the U.S.
Suggesting that every single muslim wants to kill the infidel is quaint in that it assumes the average muslim cares that we exist. Many are busy on the trading floor in Dubai or on the golf course in Brunei, they don't give a rats ass about some American, or if that American converts to Islam or not.
Instead of squabbling over the street address of a mosque, maybe we as a nation should put a tad more concern toward getting our economy straightened out, keeping our noses out of other countries business, and maybe trying to resolve our debt issues by spending a whole lot less money 'building nations' around the world that likely don't want us there in the first place.
No, that's not nearly as popular on an internet forum as fuming about the latest enemy du jour, but it might get us back to being a successful country instead of sucking on the Chinese teet waiting for them to buy more treasuries to keep us afloat.
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So I was just imagining things when I saw on the news all day long on 9/11/01 massive crowds people in Cairo, Islamabad, and Syria burning American flags and chanting things to the effect of "Down with America"? Ya know, since they couldn't care less about us and don't concern their daily lives with what goes on in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua