I have a hard hat..........just sayin.
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I have a hard hat..........just sayin.
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Originally Posted by Rucker61
I tend to agree with this. While I think it's disgusting I think we have far too many laws as it is and one less is alright by me... even if I support the spirit of the law itself. Sometimes we just need to take a step back and let the asshats weed themselves out, even if it is only morally. IMO the SCOTUS has more important things to worry about and other things such as this are clearly distracting them from making the right decision on more important topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
If pretending to be in the military was a crime I would be tempted to support it if for no other reason than getting some of the Hollywood anti-gun Libs off the streets. I happen to know for a fact that more than one of the Hollywood antigun crowd have been actually captured on film impersonating military or law enforcement personnel. The list is long but I would like to see at least some of them off the streets, Matt Damon, Mark Wahlberg, George Clooney, Kevin Bacon, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone just to name a few. Talk about ill gotten gains, how about the amount of money these people have made from impersonations. OK, Maybe that's a little extreme, but if we are going to have laws wouldn't it be great to use them to some advantage. I think that all military vets should be pissed that anybody is trying to act like they have been where you have been, but we've all seen where the camels nose under the tent can lead. I say be proud of your accomplishments and whenever possible vote with your dollars.
I agree with those who say jail time for these idiots is a bit much. Sure I hope karma bites them in the ass but if we worried about everything a person does people literally wouldn't be legally allowed to breath. I get what the vets are saying but every peoPle group has something that really chaps their hide and we can't just make all those things punishable by jail time. Now for those who get benefits by faking it they should fall under felony forgery in my opinion as should (and maybe they do) Medicare and Medicaid frauds. Frankly if a guy is walking around declaring his service exploits and awards he likely isn't a real vet. Out of all the friends, family and acquaintances I have that are gets I've never known a single one to brag about what they did or were awarded.
I am really on the line on this issue. I would rather be given the freedom to recreate the famous deliverance scene to the perpetrators than have them arrested.
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This guy's obituary said he has 3 tours in Viet nam and was also a POW. The problem? He joined the Army in 1981. Buried in a veterans cemetery is this still an OK free speech issue?
I say dig his ass up and throw him out. If it makes some here feel better...go ahead and lock him up.[Coffee]
That seems like a pretty simple paperwork issue easily addressed by those deciding who gets to get buried at a veterans cemetery or not. Why do we need laws at the federal level for it? Would it have prevented this oversight in the example you cited? I don't see how.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
Listen, we can give an example here and there that would make ANY law seem important. I was HORRIBLY inconvenienced to the tune of over a month, multiple trips to the DMV and an entire moth of lost income due to a new set of laws put into place regarding homemade trailers. The laws don't match up so you MUST get a special verification & inspection through CSP that not only cost more than a traditional VIN verification but the worst part is appointments with CSP are over a month out. No big deal, right? Wrong. Temp tags are only good for a few days. So there is no possible way to pull a trailer on the streets. I was informed this at the begging of a month in which I do 90% of my aerations. When I asked what the reasoning was I was given some sob story of a beautiful teenage girl who was killed on I25 because someone's homemade trailer fell apart at highway speeds and a bar came through her windshield killing her.
My first thought was: So what? Sounds like she was following too closely. My second thought was: What kind of a country have we become where we have to pass law after law because of a couple isolated incidents? Giving our liberties that veterans fight for away with each stroke of the pen. People say 'Well, I think we have too many laws already' until it's a new law that THEY find fits their own personal beliefs. Enough is enough. Draw the line. Just because you don't support a law doesn't mean you're a hater of whomever it was going to support. Most of these situations are far more complex than that. I'm sure those real veterans who fought for our freedom that are laid to rest next to him would feel that our freedom is an important thing and laws stripping us of our freedoms shouldn't be taken lightly. That's not to say someone has the RIGHT to do such dastardly things as an exercise of their right to free speech because I don't think it should be protected as such. At the same time, that doesn't mean that I think there should be a law at the federal level outlawing every single damn thing that isn't expressly protected in our civil rights. Sometimes things should just be common sense.
I'd like to see such people get the shit kicked out of them. I also think there are some jerks in life who should get the shit kicked out of them for just being jerks but that doesn't mean we need laws at the federal level for each of the things they do that makes them assholes.
There you go. Problem solved. No need for the federal government to waste millions of our dollars to make such decisions and go after the few 'boogey men' perpetrating these acts. No need for federal bureaucracy to deal with something that appears pretty to those with common sense simple to address. Sometimes the easiest solution is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapLock
That Precludes him how? Army=vet Maybe not a combat vet, but he is a veteran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
If you lie about anything else to get something. Say MONEY or BENEFITS. then that is not free speech but fraud. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. Sitting in a bar tell some fish story about combat in Iraq is Douchbaggery not a CRIME. People who serve in Iraq to this all the time, lie about what they did. Do I need to get the crayons to illustrate this point?
Uhhhh maybe because he wasn't in Viet Nam?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanls19
somewhat off topic at hand....but is he not a Veteran? He joined in 1981. I would think having served that he is allowed to be buried at a Veteran's cemetery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
Saying he is served 3 tours in Vietnam and was a POW makes him a shitbag but doesn't change that he was in the army
It's written on his tombstone! A VA paid for tombstone I might add.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT
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Originally Posted by Fmedges
So he's a veteran but you're still upset that the VA buried him in a veterans cemetery and paid for his headstone?
HE'S A VETERAN!
(these aren't opinion or assumption on my part as they are both statements that YOU made)
These guys get weeded out quick and the punishment is usually bad.I'm tired of laws in general, we want less Government and then want them to drop everything for this?Oh there is nothing on that guys marker that says POW, so............But he is a Vet and deserves to be buried there.Most of the Vets out there today signed the paper took the oath.We don't desrve anything, we did what was right, by our own choices.If someone is trying to get benefits they don't deserve put them in jail.
I've been trying to order mine but they wont send it to me:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
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Hurry i'm drunk[Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
In which case he would be guilty of fraud which is already a law. Right? Forging documents is fraud. This example was presented as the guy shouldn't be buried there alongside other heroes when he is still a veteran. He may have embellished some of his war stories to someone but he's a veteran none-the-less. Without the hyperbole his post would have said 'This guy's headstone is inaccurate, we need a federal law!' and somehow doesn't have as much of a knee-jerk bite as the person posting was trying to get. Hell, I even fell for it before the details were pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
True, but he's still a Vet(hopefully), the hero thing is dumb, because without support we are all just Tankers(Jordan):).Support troops are the backbone of the military.Sorry im drinking i think i agree with jerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jer
I may need to drink too because it doesn't seem like you do based on what you've posted here. [LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
Yes, Vet's are just new terrorists anyways:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
Nobody is safe! [Help]Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
HA, I will admit I am drinking.We don't need anymore new laws.You can burn the American flag?Its free speech.Oh I do think we need seperate cemetarys for Tankers, just because.I why do we get worked up over dumb shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
I think all the enlisted guys should get a go at beating the shit out of the fakes. no new laws and the posers get their punishment. problem solved
I think they are fair game.But is it any worse than having a President thats not a citizen:)Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
He was buried in a veterans cemetery because he was a vet. What they should do at this point is carve "lied about" in front of "vietnam".Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmedges
I sure hope they don't carve my life's mistakes on my headstone or it will have to be the size of the Empire State Building. [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder
I don't really have anything new to add.
Lying doesn't make you a criminal. It makes you a douche.
Committing fraud makes you a criminal. Already laws in place for that.
Where did you find that he didn't join until 1980. Maybe he had a break in serivice. We need to dig him up and lock him away for lying.
The military is not a protected class In America. If you feel they are, or some how entitled to more than the average person for following through with their obligations then you need to take a long hard look at what it is to be an American. Talk about an entitledment society. " (whaaa!) I don't get paid much" well you should have checked the pay chart before signing up. SINCE NO BODY FUCKING MADE you!
We need to outlaw guns since people will often lie and do straw purchases to get them illegally.
Then ban those kids army clothes they sell at AAFES so kids don't steal valor.
There are some national cemeteries that have very strict rules for burial - i.e. combat service. I have no idea if this is one of those cases. If you lie about military service to gain some sort of benefit then you should be punished. If you do it for your ego or whatever, then you are just a douche bag who needs to be beat.
They just need to have their shit pushed in. [Help]Quote:
Originally Posted by airborneranger
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Originally Posted by Jordanls19
No break in service
What a sad story...
Nothing is sacred anymore (yeah, I know, imagine me saying that, right?).
I never served but I have the most respect for those who did and those who do.
I feel that those who are caught lying should be sent to the front line and used as sandbags.
Maybe that would give them some appreciation.
Not entitled to any more than the average person, EXCEPT that if the military does mess us up they are obligated to fix us (same concept as Worker's Compensation). No joins the military to get rich, that's stupidity there, but when I can work a job in the military for $1200/month, then get out and go back to Afghanistan as a civilian and make $10,000/month, I see a bit of a discrepancy there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanls19
I guess you're one of those people who doesn't think of our troops as heroes and doesn't realize or even appreciate the sacrifice despite the fact that it's an all volunteer force... Tomorrow you can go hop on the plane with Obama and head to France if you really feel that way, I'm gonna go do something American, like pat my friends at Ft. Carson on the back and thank them for continuing the job that I was unable to do longer than 4 years...
That made me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanls19
He is a combat vet from 4ID - just FYIQuote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Oh well my mistake then, sure didn't sound like it... I guess not everyone is beaming with pride from serving... That's the thing about perception, you can get someone wrong from one comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by airborneranger
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Originally Posted by Jordanls19
I'm not sure why you found what Jordan wrote offensive. I agree with him. I don't expect anything extra, and neither should you, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13